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More employment statistics

by Jerome a Paris
Thu Jan 26th, 2006 at 05:57:49 PM EST

Percentage of graduates that do not have a management or professional position

Young people who both study and work

Unemployment rate (under 25)

And this earlier one from 10 days ago, which is not directly comparable (under 24s instead of under 25s)

I think we are getting closer to building these bars where the various occupations are set out, as a fraction of a hundred.

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More employment statistics | 10 comments (10 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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Spain is a disaster, and the observations I made about Demark in the previous diary are borne out. They are at opposite poles on every dimension.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2006 at 06:20:28 PM EST

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What's the history of the unemployment rate? Is it improving over time, or has it come to a plateau? Is the official rate, like Italy, not representative of the people working in the black economy?

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Jan 27th, 2006 at 03:28:18 AM EST
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Oh, it's dropped by more than half since the 1980's, but the situation for young people is dismal.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 27th, 2006 at 05:38:32 AM EST
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I think I have said this before, but I marvel at the sheer amount and quality of the data you have at your fingertips, Jérôme.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2006 at 06:22:23 PM EST

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Can I just nitpick a bit? The first graph is entitled, in French :

"Probabilité de ne pas être cadre ou profession intermédiaire pour les diplômés du supérieur."

To me, that's not very clear. "Probability of not being a manager or professional person for university graduates." Are we talking about the chances that a graduate, upon graduation, has of becoming a manager/professional? Or, as you translate it, Jérôme, those graduates who do not currently hold a position of these two types?

The subject of the second graph : here I really think your translation is misleading. "Part des combinaisons études-emploi (stages, cursus en alternances)" refers specifically to vocational training schemes ie organized courses where on-the-job training is included. That is not "young people who both study and work" -- that gives the impression we are talking (as in previous discussion threads) about the extent to which students also have a job to pay their way through their studies.

Since you have the context these graphs were presented in, you could no doubt clear these points up? (when you have time..;))

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jan 27th, 2006 at 03:56:41 AM EST

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Lemme nitpick too: "15 à 24" is identical with under-25, it is not not under-24.

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by DoDo on Sat Jan 28th, 2006 at 05:49:35 AM EST
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Which makes me wonder why there is so much difference in the unemployment rate of Spain, Italy & France in the map versus the graph. Are these two different times period? If so it still seems like a big difference.

Oh I just realised this from way back last Thursday. Oh well another interesting diary I missed.

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Sat Jan 28th, 2006 at 01:24:12 PM EST
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I suspect partly because in the map, it is unemployment of youth active in the workforce, in the table, it's unemployment among the total youth.

Since the table also gives the ratio of those active in the workforce, I put the numbers of the table in a spreadsheet - out came:

Danemark    9.0    (map: 4.6)
Roy.-Uni    13.7    (map: 9.3)
Allemagne    13.1
Espagne    28.1    (map: 22.2)
France    26.6    (map: 17.4)
Italie    30.8    (map: 26.3)
Pologne    65.4

The remaining difference is either due to data for differing years (no date given for the maps) - or (more likely given that the difference is strongest for high-childbearing-rate Denmark, then France) the inclusion of under-15 for the map.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Sat Jan 28th, 2006 at 01:42:06 PM EST
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Good point. I seem to have the bad habit lately of not looking at the fine print before putting my foot in my mouth about some of these numbers. AHHHH!

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Sat Jan 28th, 2006 at 02:17:35 PM EST
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i have seen a graph on the Time or new economist few months ago about correlation between the unemployment and salary/cost that was very high.

in Australia, i dont really know rates of employment downunder but for what i see, lot of youth are working : employees at McDonald are not more than 15-16 yo and are paid around 5-$6/h instead of $12-15.

i think they have something like :

15-16 yo : 50% of the normal salary
16-17 yo : 40
18-20 yo : 25

that help our young fellows to get an professional experience and give them autonomy and maturity.

by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Fri Jan 27th, 2006 at 11:41:07 PM EST

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