Thank God (for NATO) - we're at war with Russia

by Jerome a Paris
Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 08:52:21 AM EST

Or so says Senator Lugar, as relayed by the Washington Post and now the Wall Street Journal in its editorial pages (sub. only link):

The New Threat to Europe

NATO, Lugar said, should resolve to treat "an attack using energy" the same way it would a land attack by conventional military forces

(...)

And, as Lugar pointed out: "The use of energy as an overt weapon is not a theoretical threat of the future. It is happening now."

Wow. We're at war, and we should sent NATO to fight it. Shouldn't we all worry a bit?

Let me take a shot at the whole article.


This year began with a European energy crisis caused by Russia's cutoff of gas supplies to Ukraine, where a democratic government not to the liking of Vladimir Putin had taken power. Because Russian gas passes through Ukraine on its way to Western Europe, the pressure also dropped in Paris and Vienna and Rome -- and Europeans suddenly realized they were dependent for electricity and warmth on an autocracy that was prepared to use energy as a tool of imperialism.

As my regular readers will know, this is a highly partial description of what happened. I wrote at length about last year's crisis, so I can only encourage you to go read again the following detailed posts:

Russian-Ukrainian gas deal - what's behind it? (Jan. 4)
Russian gas cuts - why there is no need to worry (Jan. 2)
Ukraine vs Russia: Tales of pipelines and dependence (Dec. 30)

but I'd note the following:

  • We all forget that Yuschenko was preferred to Yanukovich for the 2005 election by Putin until the West started supporting Yuschenko very obviously and Putin decided, for some reason, that he thus needed to support Yanukovich. It is the West that made that election a West vs Russia contest, not Russia;
  • The gas dispute between Russian and Ukraine had very little to do with the victory of Yuschenko in the Ukrainian election - it was a inside fight between oligarch clans that spilled over in public view. As soon as it did become public, Gazprom reasserted its strategic interests (to be seen as a reliable supplier) and restored supplies before the conflict was solved. If that conflict demonstrated anything, it is that Gazprom cares more than anything else about its reputation as a supplier, and was really unhappy to see it trashed by internal conflicts;
  • Most importantly, it is not "Europeans" that discovered their gas dependend on Russia. France, Italy, Germany and Austria (not to mention the former Soviet satellites) have acutely been aware of that dependency for years, and have all taken steps to mitigate it, via long term contracts negotiated with high level political intervention, and a general policy to diversify of supplies. No, those that discovered the issue were the British and the Americans, who experienced gas shortages last year because of declining domestic production, and, being self-sufficient until then, had not worried at all about the issue. So let's stop to make this a "European" issue, and let's call it what it is: an Anglo-Saxon panic attack.
  • as someone who has long been critical of Putin's autocratic tendencies, I'll continue to point out the stunning hypocrisy of those that cheered Putin on when he "restored order" in the early years by fighting the evil oligarchs, but suddenly became "autocratic" when that same fight took on Western-friendly oligarchs like Khodorkhovski.
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But anyway, the stage is set: "we" are fighting for our very survival against a ruthless, dictatorial regime.

It looks like the year will end the same way. Georgia and Azerbaijan, two other Russian neighbors that have chosen not to kowtow to Putin, are scrambling to find gas supplies by Jan. 1 to make up for Russian cutbacks or to avoid a huge and predatory price increase. So, oddly, is Belarus, which until now has been a Kremlin client -- but which has resisted a Russian demand that it turn over ownership of a key gas transit pipeline.

I am sure that a lot of people would be surprised to learn that market driven price increases are "predatory". Let's all remember that the issue is that these countries are getting gas at subsidized prices - because Russia chooses to do so in exchange for political advantage. If it feels that it is not getting the political gains it was seeking or expecting, why would it be abnormal to switch back to market conditions? Actually, papers like the WaPo or the WSJ, if they were consistent (yeah, I know...) should berate Georgia and Azerbaijan for selling out politically to Russia for market-distorting, and fleeting, benefits. Paying the market price for gas sends the proper signal to their consumers and investors, and increasing prices will lead, by market mechanisms, to lower gas demand and a better allocation of resources. Right? So why argue that these countries should get subsidized gas? From Russia?

Western energy companies that have invested in Russia are meanwhile reeling from a crude campaign of bullying designed to force them to give up majority stakes in oil and gas fields to Kremlin-controlled companies. Shell has already caved, allowing Gazprom to take a 50 percent stake in a huge offshore gas field.

The only country in the world where oil companies have not been "bullied" into more favorable terms for the host country is the USA - that reflects the changed balance of power between oil companies and host countries in each case - and suggests that the US government is the weakest and the least able to face oil companies.

Of course, the word 'bullying' is used not to acknowledge that oil companies are agreeing to terms that still make sense to them under current market conditions and a balance of power which is highly unfavorable to them, considering that they are shut out of most countries that still have promising hydrocarbon reserves and that they are happy to take the terms set by those that do tolerate them.

As has been noted, Shell got a pretty good price for its stake in Sakhalin and have very little to complain about, as they've always stated that bringing Gazprom in would be a good thing, and they were properly compensated for that act.

It would be nice to report that in the intervening months Western governments have taken steps to ensure that Russia, which supplies anywhere between 30 and 100 percent of the gas consumed by European Union countries as well as much of their oil, is not able to use this leverage for political or economic extortion. Sadly, the opposite is true: Though "energy security" has become a favorite topic for discussion at E.U. and transatlantic summits, next to nothing has been done about it.

What blatant manipulation of numbers. Russia supplies anywhere between 30 and 100% of the gas consumed by countries that import Russian gas, but many European countries do not actually import gas from Russia, and Russian gas only makes up 19% of EU consumption.

And to say thyat next to nothing has been done is just as false. It's just that the war-mongering solutions has not been approved by those countries that actually import Russian gas. Instead, they have focused on extending their contracts with Gazprom, as ENI and GDF recently did - thus extending the solid long term contractual relationship with Gazprom they've already had for decades and which has worked well for both sides so far.

That's partly because solutions aren't easy. Weakening Russia's hold over European energy supplies requires measures that would be costly and difficult, such as building new terminals for importing liquefied natural gas or new pipelines to carry oil and gas from Central Asia and the Caucasus to Europe.

The easiest, and never mentioned, solution, of course, would be to lower our gas demand instead of continuing our mindless policies to burn ever more of the stuff. In particular, we could focus on changing our electricity sector policies, which seem to have a single goal in mind: build more gas-fired power plants. But no, as always the focus is on finding MORE SUPPLIES.

There's a less excusable problem, however: the failure of European Union governments to agree on either a common energy strategy or a policy for responding to Russia's growing aggressiveness. Some politicians, like German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, propose a new Ostpolitik that would entice Russian cooperation with offers of economic and strategic partnership. Others say the E.U. should refuse to renew an expiring economic pact with Russia unless it stops trying to monopolize European energy supplies.

This is extraordinarily ironic coming form people that relentlessly push market deregulation and monopoly busting within the EU. We should set up a monopsony with respect to Russian gas?? And who would run that body? The European Commission? EU governments? pro rata their gas consumption? Their gas imports? Their Russian gas imports? Utilities? Gas buyers? And would it onsell that gas to EU players on the market? At what price? Who would get the benefit of the presumably lower prices that this body would manage to extract from Russia, taking advantage of its monopsony position? I have yet to see the beginning of any proposal in that respect. Until the practical aspects of this proposal are reconciled with the ongoing market liberalisation that the same people peddle with abandon, I have to call utter and absolute bullshit on them.

Though it has a vital stake, the United States has been mostly missing from the discussion. That's one reason a recent speech by Sen. Richard Lugar (R-Ind.), the outgoing chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, was intriguing. Lugar has been a pioneer of some of the most farsighted U.S. policies toward the countries of the former Soviet Union, including the Nunn-Lugar program for securing and dismantling nuclear weapons and materials.

I will note here that indeed, the Nunn-Lugar program has been one of the smartest things done with respect to Russia in the past 15 years.

Now he's proposing that the NATO alliance formally adopt "energy security" as one of its central missions. NATO, he told a German Marshall Fund conference alongside the recent NATO summit in Riga, Latvia, is "used to thinking in terms of conventional warfare between nations. But energy could become the weapon of choice for those who possess it.

"A natural gas shutdown to a European country in the middle of winter," he added, "could cause death and economic loss on the scale of a military attack."

This is, again, false and vicious scaremongering. The countries that import most gas, in volume, (France, Germany, Italy) are also those that have the biggest storage facilities, the most diversity of supplies, and the most connections to other countries. The countries that are most dependent on Russian gas, as a percentage of their supplies, are also, for the most part, located on the gas transit routes to Western Europe, and could not be cut off without the rest of Europe being cut off as well. And that would be a pretty stark act by Russia, considering that 100% of its exports go to Europe (not to mention that almost all its oil exports go to the Baltic or Mediteranean Seas and are de facto under the control of European navies), that these exports represent the biggest chunk of its hard currency income and that they have - physically - no alternatives to sell them.

NATO, Lugar said, should resolve to treat "an attack using energy" the same way it would a land attack by conventional military forces -- that is, an attack on one country would compel a response by all. That doesn't mean military action, he said; "rather, it means the alliance must commit itself to preparing for and responding to attempts to use the energy weapon against its fellow members."

Lugar pointed out that NATO used to hold exercises to prepare for the logistical and supply challenge of responding to a Soviet attack. A new exercise, he said, "should focus on how the Alliance would supply a beleaguered member with the energy resources needed to withstand geo-strategic blackmail." This wouldn't be easy, he acknowledged: In fact, "the energy threat is more difficult to prepare for than a ground war in Central Europe." Guarding against an energy cutoff by Russia will mean massive investments in new supply lines and reserve supplies, as well as the means to distribute them in a crisis.

It is ironic that those countries that do have reserves, alternative supply routes and means to fdistribute them in a crisis are presicely those countries that have been importing gas (not just Russian gas) the longest, and have worried about these issues for a long time - and acted accrodingly. But now that suddenly the UK feels itself naked - with its domestic supplies disappearing fast, no storage capacity to speak of, and no long term contracts in place -- it calls for European solidarity - after years of mocking the gas importers for their lack of faith in market solutions.

Again, that same criticism applies to the WaPo and the WSJ. Are they admitting to market failures? Are they saying that there are circumstances where markets do not provide for all demand at the right price? Why else would they need military action - i.e. State intervention? But if they recognize that markets can fail, shouldn't we reconsider the whole deregulation of energy markets? After all, brownouts could also "cause death and economic loss on the scale of a military attack" - and failed deregulation has caused a number of these in recent years. Surely NATO - or at least public - intervention should be useful there as well, no?

That sounds daunting at a time when NATO has its hands full trying to fight a war in Afghanistan. But the energy threat goes to the alliance's historic purpose: defending democratic Europe from attack by the autocratic and belligerent power on its Eastern frontier. And, as Lugar pointed out: "The use of energy as an overt weapon is not a theoretical threat of the future. It is happening now."

Yeah, better to posture, hector and say we're at war with an Evil Empire than actually think about real solutions - you know, those that involve abandoning ideological blinders, a blind trust in "markets", and focusing on things like governments setting long term priorities and imposing regulations or - gasp - spending money to get there.

If energy is a strategic issue, then it requires public intervention and it should not be left to the narrow short term interests of market players. And a note to the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal: there is more to government than the military.

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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 09:01:38 AM EST
You are the best on the subject of gas transactions and their geopolitical game. By far the best.

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by kcurie on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 12:01:47 PM EST
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the NYT quote this morning on a closely-related topic:


Gazprom Warns of Wider Cutoffs if Belarus Interferes With Gas

MOSCOW, Dec. 27 -- Gazprom, the Russian energy monopoly, reacted fiercely on Wednesday to a suggestion from Belarus that it would pull natural gas out of export pipelines rather than pay a higher price for the fuel.

Reversing course from its assurances of Tuesday, Gazprom warned Poland, Lithuania and Germany of possible supply disruptions. About 8 percent of the European Union's gas imports pass through Belarus.

(...)

As in the dispute with Ukraine, the bargaining has become a test of Belarus's leverage as a transit country for Russian energy and its willingness to risk the energy supplies of its neighbors farther down the pipelines.

"Each of the former republics has a different set of circumstances in terms of what leverage the Russians have, and what relations these countries have with their neighbors," Jérôme Guillet, a Paris-based banker and an authority on Gazprom's business practices, said in a telephone interview.

Ukraine, for example, will pay $135 per 1,000 cubic meters next year. By contrast, Georgia, led by a pro-Western government, will pay $235. Belarus currently pays $46.68 per 1,000 cubic meters, the lowest price in the former Soviet Union outside of Russia itself.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 09:02:58 AM EST
On one hand, Russia has every right in the world to demand market prices for it's gas. The media has not correctly reported this.

On the other hand, the "energy as a political weapon"-meme does have some weight.

Not for the big markets, France, Germany and Italy, or for the transit countries.

But for the other customers, small countries of the beaten track (like Georgia, Finland, the Baltic countries etc) there is a very real threat. The Russians might raise gas prices to unacceptable rates above the market, or just stop deliveries, to enforce political pressures.

This can also drive dangerous wedges between EU countries against Russia. Would France and Germany protect their smaller allies against Russian extortion if they themselves recieve plenty of relatively cheap gas?

Sure, you can conserve and build nuclear reactors, but that takes several years. You can't go without heat and power for several years.

The easiest solution for these countries seems to me not to have anyting to do with Russian gas and or electricity imports.

Generate domestic heat and power. It's not hard at all.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 10:13:29 AM EST

Would France and Germany protect their smaller allies against Russian extortion if they themselves recieve plenty of relatively cheap gas?

France and Germany do not get "cheap" gas - they get gas at the full price - indexed on oil prices. Gazprom is looking for markets and income, so it has no reason to cut markets that pay the full price.

I agree in any case that a capricious cut off of Finland (or the Balts) should be treated by the EU with the same severity as a (more theoretical) cut to the big countries, but I'd suggest that the other side of the "grand deal" between European countries would be to drop that liberalisation nonsense. Either the market can provide, or it cannot. There's no middle way.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 11:10:04 AM EST
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I like how you use this to beat up on neoliberal economics, "either the markets work or you agree that government intervention is sometimes needed" is an excellent point to hammer--especially with regard to the mildy retarded free market ideologues ruling the current US political establishment, but the notion of true energy independence  -- alternate energy schemes that are carbon absent or carbon neutral --are perhaps the most valuable answer to this dilemma, given where we are with global warming, etc. Perhaps, in addition to stressing the hypocrisy of the current neoliberal ideology, you might mention explicitly (and earlier on) what you say in closing: that free markets alone don't work and as a consequence a more reasonable, govermental intervention is needed, including 'diversifying' (as you mention) but also--taking the long view --governments should be strategizing and funding through research grants, tax breaks, market subsidies, etc...alternative energy infrastructures. Obviously as well, ANY solution should specifically NOT BE military in nature as they can only temporarily force availability for a limited supply. If energy (not necessarily oil) is a 'strategic' resource, than it follows that public funds should be invested into long term stable alternate energy solutions, not short term, erradicate and unpredictable 'interventions' to protect a resource that everyone now agrees will sooner or later be exhausted (and likely sooner), that may or may not even be successful--a military use of public funds is almost always the worst use. Given the WSJ's premise on this one (that energy is a 'strategic resource', that the market doesn't work to protect it, and that public intervention is necessary), it's a great time to push for strong public intervention exactly where it's needed, in the construction of a stable and strategic alternate energy game plan for the long term.

 

by delicatemonster (delicatemons@delicatemonster.com) on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 06:25:09 PM EST
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The current price of $235 (?`) per 1000 cubic feet is cheap. That's what I meant.

And I restate that Moscow has all the rights in the world to demand market prices from all it's customers, and also has every right in the world to stop gas deliveries if they are not payed said market prices.

And of course the market can not provide. That's just senseless ideology.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Dec 29th, 2006 at 12:34:30 PM EST
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"Generate domestic heat and power. It's not hard at all."
Yes. I always thought that if we could get all of a country's politicians in a very large room and start talking, we could capture enough hot air to energize several large cities.


Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 12:18:31 PM EST
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I know certain politicians who would be of much greater service to their nations if they were processed through a thermal depolymerisation plant.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Dec 29th, 2006 at 12:34:27 PM EST
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But for the other customers, small countries of the beaten track (like Georgia, Finland, the Baltic countries etc) there is a very real threat. The Russians might raise gas prices to unacceptable rates above the market, or just stop deliveries, to enforce political pressures.
Err... did Russians (Gazprom, if you please - I never stopped my own nat gas deliveries to you) ever do that? I mean - just stop deliveries, rather than use a temporary stoppage to show seriousness of the negotiating position?

These things are getting really annoying. I understand Poles - the other day, I've read a book on Kievan Rus' ruler Jaroslav the Wise who lived a millenium ago. It included some quotes from contemporary Polish chronicles regarding Rus' and its inhabitants. They could have been written today - the same level of blind hatred and mockery. But why should mature Europeans support the belief system supporting this juvenile behavior - refusing to consider any arguments and then cry wolf and run to big brother for help?

by Sargon on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 01:02:07 PM EST
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Gazprom is not a corporation like any other. It's practically a part of the Russian governmental/oligarch/siloviki elite.

Anyway, the Russians (doh!, I meant Gazprom... let's say Moscow?), have a stellar track record when it comes to delivering gas it's big customers. Some small customers have recieved subsidized gas in exchange for Russian political influence in their conutries. Nothing wrong with this if both sides approve of it, nor anything wrong if Moscow demand market prices when the small nation prefers not to have Moscow meddling in their internal affairs.

But what if Moscow decides to pressure a small nation even though it pays full price? The gas would be vital and Russia would have put said nation in a very weak position for at least 5 years.  

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Dec 29th, 2006 at 12:34:25 PM EST
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But what if Moscow decides to pressure a small nation even though it pays full price? The gas would be vital and Russia would have put said nation in a very weak position for at least 5 years.

But what if every passerby on Unter der Linden, say, suddenly turns into a murderous beast? Are there enough policemen to prevent any harm coming my way if this happens? Is travelling to Berlin safe?

I intentionally sound crazy, just to show how stupid the hypothetical scaremongering could be.

Actually, several people around me could turn mad at the same time just by a chance. A country is usually a set of very complicated interests and turns mad only under influence of a strong ideology influencing all players in the same way. Russia is adamantly anti-ideological at this point and will remain so for a foreseeable future. It isn't Putin's toy either (Kremlin has many towers, and every tower has many sentries, as a current saying goes).

Therefore, gas to a paying customer could be switched off only for a very good reason, such as duly imposed sanctions. I can imagine Georgia stating a war with South Osetia (as it almost did in 2004), in which case there is mobilisation and economic sanctions. But even this isn't on the table any longer, as Azerbaijan will become major Georgian supplier. Otherwise, I am hard pressed to think of a realistic rather than purely hypothetical scenario for an event you suggest.

by Sargon on Fri Dec 29th, 2006 at 04:16:34 PM EST
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Many small countries are vary of Moscow. This might have something to do with Moscow meddling in their internal affairs, or occupying them and or their neighbours for 50 years.

Germany became accepted after the war because everyone down there seemed really, really sad and ashamed and because the Germans were needed to hold the front. Still after 60 years, the Poles become pissed off now and then over real or imagined insults.  

Now, while Russia is needed to supply oil&gas that is not as important as Germany was in the 50's. And neither the Russian people nor the elite seem very sad or ashamed at all over the Soviet Union and its crimes. Actually I believe Putin said the fall of the Soviet Union was the biggest disaster of the century, or something like that. What if Merkel said the fall of the Third Reich had been the greatest disaster of the century? A lot of people would be very angry and very afraid...

So expect people to be very vary of Russia for at least 50 more years.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Dec 29th, 2006 at 05:50:40 PM EST
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I guess equating Nazi Germany and Soviet Union (the latter being, saving your sensitivity, marginally helpful in defeating the former) became a favorite sport in Europe, and ET didn't avoid this fad. Well, can't argue with quasi-religious beliefs.

Regarding fall of Soviet Union, Putin said it was the biggest geopolitical disaster of the century. If you just look around and notice what has happened after 1991, such as: several countries jumping to get nukes, certain large country deciding it's the biggest kid on the block and trying to impregnate the rest of the world with its vision of democracy with the results all too obvious, the same certain country refusing efforts for militarisation of the space, etc. - you should admit there's a certain point to his statement.

Two caveats: first, don't get me started on Central and Eastern Europe getting its freedom as a result of the collapse. These countries got the freedom before the collapse by conscious decision of Gorbachev (or Moscow, as many other people were involved). Second: these words were said at a military parade commemorating victory in the WWII, and they were to said to  veterans of this war. These people made the most of all currently living in Europe to produce all the bright things in existence (I hope we at least agree that Nazi Europe would have been a bad idea), and got a flood of brownish waste from "civilised" media in exchange. They did deserve some kind words.

Finally, on the question of shame and apology. You know, Gorbachev  tried it. Eltsin tried it. USSR discarded its empire, its ideology, and its confrontation with the West, on its own volition. Well, it turned out to be not enough, as the West wanted a defeated and humiliated country without defeating it first. Can't work. It's not a big surprise that Russians recalled all the good things their predecessors have done (even though some Europeans have conveniently forgotten them) and adopted a stance resembling that of Austrians, or Japanese for that matter - pretty well integrated members of the international community, ugh?

Sorry for delving into history - its was you who used 50 years of occupation to justify some ridiculous projections into future commercial matters.

by Sargon on Sat Dec 30th, 2006 at 06:11:44 AM EST
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Therefore, gas to a paying customer could be switched off only for a very good reason, such as duly imposed sanctions. I can imagine Georgia stating a war with South Osetia (as it almost did in 2004), in which case there is mobilisation and economic sanctions

You sound like you think such sanctions would be justified. Assuming that's correct I presume you also think Russia should be under longstanding sanctions for starting its war against Chechnya.

by MarekNYC on Fri Dec 29th, 2006 at 05:55:59 PM EST
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     Marek,
I do observe sanctions in the world. From this observation, I must make a conclusion that sanctions are  an internationally accepted method of action toward countries whose behavior your country (or a group of countries) finds unacceptable. Usually (but not always), they don't work. More often than not, they are needed for domestic consumption. Perfectly fine with me - if leading democracies of this planet are engaged in such behavior to shore up domestic support, why not Russia?

About Chechnya - I believe Russia should have been under sanctions for it between December 1994 (start of the 1st war) and summer 1995 (when Basaev performed his Budennovsk raid and turned this war from a war of independence into a fight with a brutal terrorist movement). Actually, such sanctions would have helped Russia a lot - by endorsing Eltsin's bombing of parliament in 1993 and Chechen war in 1994, the West clearly showed how "our SOB" could behave as long as his loyalty is assured.

Of course, I don't believe Russia should be under sanctions for the 2nd Chechen war which started in response to external aggression (remember Dagestan)? Definitely not imposed by the countries which invaded Afghanistan in response to 9/11.

by Sargon on Sat Dec 30th, 2006 at 06:28:01 AM EST
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This is a horrible idea.  NATO's existence needs to be questioned--and I think the answer is the reasons it was created no longer exist.  So it should be undone,,,in an agreed to, and thoughtful manner by the parties involved.  

As to energy policy, America and Europe should go their separate ways.  Each is fully capable of developing its own programs, and benefiting from the results of those programs, or suffering the consequences.

by wchurchill on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 10:37:09 AM EST
Any time I question NATO I get called all sorts. You're right though: the original reasons for NATO are gone, and the current push seems to be to morph it into an organisation of US vassals states.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 12:16:49 PM EST
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This is a good thing, oddly enough.

If Lugar has realized oil is a limited resourch then the first crack in the 'ignore the problem and it will go away' alliance has occurred.  

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 11:27:30 AM EST
The big topic these days is how there's enough oil (or gas) but it's stuck under the ground of incompetent and uncooperative governments, and if only our smart and competent enery companies were given access to these resources, then we'd have all we need.

Thus the discourse is not physical shortages, but political shortages, to be solved by forcing these countries to open up.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 11:46:46 AM EST
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From Bloomberg

"Politically, there's an understanding among member states that a more coordinated energy policy is vital," European Commission spokesman Amadeu Altafaj said today by telephone. "The EU is very dependent on foreign suppliers for both gas and oil, and so it's clear that a more integrated energy policy is needed -- and not only during a crisis."



Policies not Politics
---- Daily Landscape
by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 12:15:32 PM EST
Why would Europe be any more succesful in forming a coordinated energy policy, than say the United States, which, after all, has only one national government?

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 12:22:12 PM EST
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Can we get out of NATO already?

The longer we stay attached to the insanity that is the US political class, the higher the risk that we'll get dragged into senseless conflict after conflict that has no strategic relevance for Europe.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 01:05:54 PM EST
Well, I hope Europe - whatever it is - recognizes a situation described as "with friends like this, who needs enemies"?

The USA is trying to put its finger into the wrong cookie jar and create a problem (nasty Russian bear), so that a valiant knight from the white town on the hill has to be summoned to the rescue at some point. US meddling was very visible during the Russia-Ukraine gas spat, and especially during negotiations on forming the Ukrainian government.

But then again - is USA capable of functioning without an external enemy to unite against? "Terror" proved to be a nut too tough, so why shouldn't they refer back to the good ol' enemy which was beaten once, and has to be dismantled even more for every civilized person's benefit? After all, as Stratfor would say, there are only three countries that ever directly threatened USA: Britain, Mexico, and Russia. The first one was first made a friend, but then encouraged to dismantle its empire. The second was first dismantled and then made a friend (sort of). Therefore, some kind of dismantling of the third is in order.

by Sargon on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 01:42:26 PM EST
there are only three countries that ever directly threatened USA: Britain, Mexico, and Russia

Not quite sure when Mexico ever posed a serious threat to the US. On the other hand you somehow managed to forget Germany and Japan.  There's also the Confederacy which we defeated, reincorporated, and had to deal with ever since. Nor do I see what US encouragement of Britain to dismantle its empire had to do with its actual dismantlement - perhaps it went slightly faster than otherwise, but that's it.

by MarekNYC on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 01:51:36 PM EST
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Marek,

I was (very imprecisely) quoting Stratfor. Can't access their archive behind the sub wall, but might be able to provide an exact quote at some point.

by Sargon on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 02:26:58 PM EST
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Here's the precise quote. Taken from World Socialist Web Site at this document.

As the American web site Stratfor (which has close ties with US intelligence) recognized on November 19 of last year in an article called "America Unplugged," when it comes to Russia, "the United States is playing for keeps."

"The Soviet Union was one of only three states that have ever directly threatened the United States ­the other two being the British Empire and Mexico. The Soviet Union also came as close as any power ever has to uniting Eurasia into a single integrated, continental power ­the only external development that might be able to end the United States' superpowership. These little factoids are items that policymakers neither forget nor take lightly. So while U.S. policy toward China is to delay its rise, and U.S. policy toward Venezuela is geared toward containment, U.S. policy toward Russia is as simple as it is final: dissolution."

by Sargon on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 05:10:02 PM EST
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If Stratfor is taking that from US intelligence it is presumably from the same geniuses who regularly offer us their acute historical analysis of the Middle East in the pages of the Weekly Standard and NR - it sounds at about their level. The Soviet Union did come as close as any power did to uniting Eurasia - that is a decade plus starting after WWII to the late fifties - by that point Mao had decided he had no interest in playing second fiddle to the the Soviets and Western Europe had been consolidated into the Western Bloc under NATO. Nor does Belarus have much to do with 'breaking up' Russia - at its most cynical it can be seen as seeking to take a client state of Russia's and turn it into a client state of the US - that's no more breaking up Russia than the USSR's support of Castro was breaking up the US. The article also suffers under the bizarre delusion that the US invasion of Iraq happened last fall, so I'd be a bit wary of taking it too seriously.
by MarekNYC on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 06:50:11 PM EST
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I'm not trying to argue for their position - their stance on geopolitics is peculiar at best. But - these guys reflect the point of view of a significant part of the US establishment, especially its military and intelligence circles. Therefore, I hope someone behind the Kremlin walls is reading them very carefully.

For us here, Iraq debacle is just that - a debacle. For many Iraqis, it's a catastrophe as they are on the receiving end of a misguided policy. The stuff these guys write might put myself, my family and friends, and my country, into another disaster. I've lived through one, and it was one too many for me. So, I cannot help noticing similarities between Lugar's thinking and the paragraph I quoted.

by Sargon on Fri Dec 29th, 2006 at 06:51:13 AM EST
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The end of the British Empire was an own goal.  Two massively expensive and destructive world wars basically drove it into bankruptcy.  

No one could have predicted
by ATinNM on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 11:31:08 PM EST
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The second war was forced on them. The first one is debatable - the pendulum has swung back somewhat from the sixties-seventies 'it's all the Germans fault' thesis that grew of Fischer's Griff nach der Weltmacht (Germany's Aims in WWI) and Krieg der Illusionen (War of Illusions, but the consensus is still assigning the preponderance of blame to the Germans and the Austrians.
by MarekNYC on Fri Dec 29th, 2006 at 02:20:56 PM EST
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I wonder wheter the blame of WWI will shift as a consequence of 9/11 and the Afghanistan war. Many seam to see the Afghanistan war as just, and should therefore view the Austrian respons to Serbian terrorist actions as just. Except for scale of the terrorist act in question the scripts are very similar.

Small country has popular terrorist group. Terrorist group commits act against big country. Big country puts an ultimatum to small country regarding the terrorist group. Small country does not totally comply. Big country attacks.

If anything I think Afghanistan was more compliant then Serbia. Guess time will tell what history books will be written.

Britains part then, hmm. I guess if they had been hell-bent on avoiding war, they could have stayed out. In neither of the two was Britain the attacked party but brittish allies were. And I guess there is a pretty strict limit on how many allies you can leave hanging in the wind if you want to uphold a world empire.

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by A swedish kind of death on Fri Dec 29th, 2006 at 08:01:02 PM EST
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This reminded me of the Russian-German gas pipeline. The planned pipeline runs trough swedish territorial waters.

During the autumn there has been serious debate (including parliamentary hearings) in Sweden about if this pipeline can be stopped and in that case how. This might look like a one-sided debate, so let me run it down.

These are the different groups.
Pro-pipeline: Gas companies. As Sweden does not use much gas, they are small, next to insignificant players. Should however be noted that minister of foreign affairs Carl Bildt has a lot of connections in international oil and gas, though he has not been arguing publically for the pipeline.

Anti-pipeline:
Nationalist sentiment. Russia is the old enenmy and the baltic sea is the old battle ground. Military establishment and their supporters in politics does not want russian installations in the Swedish zone, even if it is just a pipeline and pressure stations.

Enironmentalist concerns. The baltic sea is polluted and building a pipeline can only disturb it even more. To clarify, it is not about the gas as much as about construction, maintenance and eventual destruction of the pipeline. The green party is not in the ruling coalition but the baltic sea is a great concern for all parties. Climate change does not help but is not the main concern.

Farmers lobby. Biogas is getting bigger as a business and the farmers do not want competition. The Centre party (in the ruling coalition) is the traditional farmers party.

So there are powerful forces against and almost none for the pipeline.

How to stop a pipeline
Since Sweden apparently is bound by conventions to allow the construction of the pipeline, the way to stop the pipeline through swedish waters would probably be to deny the construction of pressure stations along the way.

How the swedish government will act is still pretty unclear. The result might be an indicator on how much power Bildt wields.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 01:59:42 PM EST
Enironmentalist concerns. The baltic sea is polluted and building a pipeline can only disturb it even more. To clarify, it is not about the gas as much as about construction, maintenance and eventual destruction of the pipeline. The green party is not in the ruling coalition but the baltic sea is a great concern for all parties. Climate change does not help but is not the main concern.

If I'm not mistaken, there are also plans for Norway to Poland pipeline (coming to western Sweden first)? Is Sweden planning to shut it down too?

by Sargon on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 02:34:10 PM EST
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I have not heard of it (the Norway-Poland pipeline that is) which means it has not got any media attention. So my cynical answer is probably not.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 03:43:12 PM EST
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Quote:
I am sure that a lot of people would be surprised to learn that market driven price increases are "predatory". Let's all remember that the issue is that these countries are getting gas at subsidized prices - because Russia chooses to do so in exchange for political advantage. If it feels that it is not getting the political gains it was seeking or expecting, why would it be abnormal to switch back to market conditions?
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Gazprom is not Santa Claus "...rightly said man for public relations from Gazprom.
Hypocrites... but what to expect from these bandits in USA politic? In Putin they found an equal player and that makes them mad...
by vbo on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 07:42:24 PM EST
see threats everywhere. And so many of us view our huge military machine as so exceptional and unbeatable inspite of the realities of Korea (draw), Vietnam (defeat), Afghanistan (impending defeat), Iraq (defeat).
It really is time we as a nation and especially the politicians simply grew up. Responsible adults reslove things by discussing them not by threatening everyone who gets in the way. And talking war and threats is not a good idea when you have a vast and hugely expensive military machine, but one that that has a history of failing to deliver!
by observer393 on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 10:22:58 PM EST


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