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Evening Open Thread and membership breakdown

by Colman
Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 01:33:48 PM EST

After the fold is a breakdown of our membership by country code...

I've excluded the 661 members listed as being from the US. I'll note that it's hard to tell whether these members are truly in or from the US since that's the default anyway and I know for a fact that some people listed are not in that country.

Country codes are listed here.

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Evening Open Thread and membership breakdown | 78 comments (78 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Evening Open Thread and membership breakdown (none / 0)

Glad to be there! :)

A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government -- Edward Abbey

by serik berik (serik[dot]berik on Gmail) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 01:47:25 PM EST

Cool (none / 0)

When I registered, lo those many months ago, I remember debating with myself whether to put my country of residence or country of citizenship....

Oh, btw, I'm back, sorry for the long absence.... Did I miss anything?

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 02:06:23 PM EST

Re: Cool (none / 0)

Nothing happens when you're not here, tsp.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 02:33:55 PM EST
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Re: Cool (none / 1)

Do you mean we're asleep, or does it count as "rest"?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 02:34:45 PM EST
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Re: Cool (none / 0)

I don't really mean anything, just welcoming tsp back ;)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 02:40:17 PM EST
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Re: Cool (none / 0)

New question: if a tree falls in the forest and I'm not there to hear it, does it matter whether it makes a noise? ;-)

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 03:54:09 PM EST
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Re: Cool (none / 0)

Oh, and thanks! Good to be back. I missed y'all.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 03:56:09 PM EST
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Re: Cool (none / 0)

Welcome back... so when do we get the diary of your adventures? ;-)

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:08:28 PM EST
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Re: Cool (none / 1)

Which adventures? Climbing Mount Sinai with 100 Nigerian evangelical Christians? Fighting off would-be gigolos in Luxor? Watching Beirut mark the first anniversary of Hariri's assassination?

Maybe I should take a poll.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:12:27 PM EST
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Re: Cool (4.00 / 2)

WIPO : All of the above!

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:15:58 PM EST
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Re: Cool (none / 1)

I think that depends on if you are French or not... ;)

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 02:56:31 PM EST
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Re: Cool (none / 0)

I'm slow to catch on this evening. Actually, I'm half asleep. Must be the French air....

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 03:00:44 PM EST
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Re: Cool (none / 0)

Have you seen this? http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end.php

"Fire zee missiles!"
"But I am tired."
"Ok. Take a nap. ... Zen fire zee missiles!"

I'm tired, but I'm an overworked underpaid American who can't sleep at night because I'm worried about how I'll pay for my health insurance and what atrocity my President is going to commit tomorrow.

You're French. What's your excuse? Food coma?

Just kidding, but where did this sleepy French stereotype come from?

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 03:52:30 PM EST
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Re: Cool (none / 0)

Wait a minute -- I knew there was a stereotype about the French and beds, but I never heard it involved being sleepy. Have I missed a stereotype somehow?

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 03:57:03 PM EST
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Re: Cool (none / 1)

It's new to me too. But I've heard it twice now in the past few weeks...

Hey, what's the bit about the French and beds?

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:02:18 PM EST
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Re: Cool (none / 1)

See this thread... http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2006/3/8/85359/45179#27

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:03:47 PM EST
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Re: Cool (none / 0)

But is it an actual stereotype in Europe? I've never heard of it.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:10:32 PM EST
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Re: Cool (none / 1)

I don't think so. It just came out of the statistics Alexandra in WMass put up in that thread yesterday. There seemed to be some interesting conclusions we could draw from them.

As for why I'm sleepy, it could be after a night's waltzing. Or then again, because I'm following the debate at the French National Assembly on Internet property rights and it's mostly a procedural battle yawn.

See French Internet Law Update

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:20:04 PM EST
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Re: Cool (4.00 / 7)

Jerome wrote a diary on Energy Prices that was picked-up by the Washingtion (Moony) Times. Then the Finanical Times, the Economist, Die Welt, Le Monde, Asian Times, and Elle spread the information.

This sparked off panic in the oil markets, a run on the dollar, complete loss of confidence in the Euro, a world-wide run on banks, an 11,000 point drop in the DJIA, a sharp increase in cheese consumption, and the collapse of the global economic system.

To(day/night) New York, Paris, Berlin, and London are burning.

Aside from that ....

not much.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:18:16 PM EST
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Re: Cool (4.00 / 3)

Elle had an article on energy prices? Damn, that is news.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:20:54 PM EST
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Re: Cool (4.00 / 2)

They sentenced me to twenty years of boredom
For trying to change the system from within
I'm coming now, I'm coming to reward them
First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:32:07 PM EST
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panic (none / 0)

I wish

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:43:43 PM EST
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Re: Evening Open Thread and membership breakdown (none / 0)

It looks like the vote for the 2012 Olympics. LOL

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 02:34:02 PM EST

Re: Evening Open Thread and membership breakdown (none / 0)

At one point, I meant to ask if the USA wasn't the default. Thanks for making it clear.

Pity the default can't be blank, at least it would be clearer when someone doesn't want to indicate a country.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 02:38:52 PM EST

Re: Evening Open Thread and membership breakdown (none / 0)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 02:53:34 PM EST
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Re: Evening Open Thread and membership breakdown (none / 0)

I managed to post a blank message, that's not bad.

I meant to ask about numbers. I thought there were now over 1200 registered users, but you say 661 "USA" members, plus there are about 300 or so in the graph. That would be under 1000 in all?

(Mind you, I can post blank messages, so I can probably count wrong too...)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 02:58:45 PM EST
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Re: Evening Open Thread and membership breakdown (none / 0)

There's a number of lost uids as people don't always receive their confirmation email (typos or spam refusal), or never log in after receiving their email.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 03:15:47 PM EST
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Re: Evening Open Thread and membership breakdown (none / 1)

All members together :

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)

by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 03:00:43 PM EST

Re: Evening Open Thread and membership breakdown (4.00 / 2)

That's me in the back row.

(Sorry, got to the party a little late.)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 03:06:31 PM EST
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Re: Evening Open Thread and membership breakdown (4.00 / 2)

Sorry, only three fractions here : the black, green and red. The yellow and the blue where still at the restaurant.

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)

by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 03:13:54 PM EST
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Re: Evening Open Thread and membership breakdown (4.00 / 3)

Oh, but one of those isn't a green flag -- it's afew in his waltzing pants.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 03:58:57 PM EST
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Re: Evening Open Thread and membership breakdown (4.00 / 2)

It's so reassuring to know that there's someone, somewhere in this wide world, who can always pick you out in a crowd...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:24:11 PM EST
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Re: Evening Open Thread and membership breakdown (none / 1)

Our younger members in France this week =

CPE voted in parliament----New actions the 18 March.

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)

by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 03:32:07 PM EST

Re: Evening Open Thread and membership breakdown (none / 0)

so which one are you?

by PeWi on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 07:03:40 PM EST
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Re: Evening Open Thread and membership breakdown (none / 1)

Thanks for this. I've been very curious about this breakdown. It also means that we know where to work to get more members.

We're going to have to figure out some ways to increase our European members. Having only four Spaniards (even when they are as great as kcurie) means that we have to work there. And so many other places.

It's all about getting the word out. Once people discover the place, they tend to come back...just look at our American numbers (even if it is slightly inflated by the default). They mostly (I would guess) come from DKos.

So we have to consider this situation.

by gradinski chai on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 03:38:05 PM EST

Re: Evening Open Thread and membership breakdown (none / 0)

If I was clever I could do things like correlate membership against percentages that speak English. Anyone got raw data for that?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:45:01 PM EST
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Re: Evening Open Thread and membership breakdown (none / 1)

ET Language Census Analysis

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:54:21 PM EST
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Re: Evening Open Thread and membership breakdown (none / 0)

I used the Eurobarometer figures. See below...

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 05:08:35 PM EST
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Can someone please tell me... (4.00 / 2)

... what a "gnomemoot" is?

I feel so, like, uncool and out of it, man.

Speaking of cool vs. uncool, I don't want to be in the latter group for yet another reason, which would be going to the thingie in Paris in May (the meetup). But I don't know if I can make it or not.

Who's going? Who's cool, that is?

by Plutonium Page (page dot vlinders at gmail dot com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 03:38:27 PM EST

Re: Can someone please tell me... (none / 0)

I just assumed it was like an entmoot, only with gnomes....

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:00:36 PM EST
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Re: Can someone please tell me... (none / 0)

Gnomemoot is the name chosen by Colman for debates on a givne topic, where we try (with unequal success) to be more methodic in our approach. So far it's been attempted about Iran:http://www.eurotrib.com/?op=displaystory;sid=2006/2/27/75726/3008

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:05:47 PM EST
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Re: Can someone please tell me... (none / 0)

The latest update on the meetup in Paris (May 20) is in this diary: http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2006/2/6/45850/33210

PS - I expect to spend the day in Schipol again next Wednesday.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:07:37 PM EST
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Re: Can someone please tell me... (none / 0)

I hope to be in London at that time. But Paris.... It sounds like a dream... :)

A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government -- Edward Abbey

by serik berik (serik[dot]berik on Gmail) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:27:54 PM EST
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Re: Can someone please tell me... (none / 0)

You know, Paris is a day trip from London with the EuroStar. £60 round-trip.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:31:50 PM EST
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Re: Can someone please tell me... (none / 0)

Sorry, £70. Departing 06:30, returning 20:43.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:33:08 PM EST
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Re: Can someone please tell me... (none / 0)

It's not the money that is the problem. It is the time...

A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government -- Edward Abbey

by serik berik (serik[dot]berik on Gmail) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:33:56 PM EST
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Re: Can someone please tell me... (none / 0)

Only there for a short trip?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:37:32 PM EST
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Re: Can someone please tell me... (none / 0)

Sounds hazy to me. So it should sound even hazier to you.

If I do get to go to the UK, I'll be at a student conference there, in which my participation would be obligatory. So I can't just slip off and go to Paris for a day or so. And after the conference, I am to be in KZ ... for work.

A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government -- Edward Abbey

by serik berik (serik[dot]berik on Gmail) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:40:59 PM EST
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Re: Can someone please tell me... (none / 1)

We'll have to wave from the top of the Eiffel tower then.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:43:22 PM EST
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Re: Can someone please tell me... (none / 0)

Will be very much appreciated

A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government -- Edward Abbey

by serik berik (serik[dot]berik on Gmail) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:49:31 PM EST
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Re: Can someone please tell me... (none / 1)

How about the ones who are going to be stuck on the other side of the ocean? Shall we send a letter in a bottle? LOL

I can resist anything but temptation.- Oscar Wilde

by Little L (ljolito (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 05:11:16 PM EST
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Members growth over time... (4.00 / 4)

I love Mac OS X:

awk 'BEGIN {FS="t"} {print $5}' alpha|cut -c1-7|uniq -c|awk '{print "x"$2 "t" $1}'|pbcopy

That's numbers of new members registered per month. The big jump is from the June launch of the site.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:15:21 PM EST

Re: Members growth over time... (none / 0)

Is Max OS X taking credit for awk?

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Mar 11th, 2006 at 05:39:04 PM EST
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Re: Members growth over time... (none / 0)

Nah, it's the fact I can do that and have a pretty GUI to paste it into.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sat Mar 11th, 2006 at 06:02:51 PM EST
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Cumulative membership over time... (4.00 / 4)

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:21:44 PM EST

Re: Cumulative membership over time... (none / 0)

Took out the figure for this month. It's distorting.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 04:28:53 PM EST
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20? (none / 0)

Odd. I can certainly recall 4 active Dutch members with diaries and comments, but not many more. That probably means I've overlooked at least 6 people, but then I'm still missing 10 others. That's, like, 50 percent...

I guess there are more lurkers around than I suspected...

Fun graph.

by Nomad on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 05:09:36 PM EST

Membership by country vs english speakers (none / 0)

That's millions of English speakers on the Y-axis hand vs number of members on the X.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 05:12:53 PM EST

Re: Membership by country vs english speakers (none / 0)

Log-log plot, maybe?

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 05:21:00 PM EST
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Re: Membership by country vs english speakers (none / 1)

Raw data in your e-mail. Knock yourself out.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 05:26:52 PM EST
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Re: Membership by country vs english speakers (none / 0)

Yessir.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 05:30:57 PM EST
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Re: Membership by country vs english speakers (none / 0)

You'll no doubt notice some fundamental flaw in my data anyway. Oh, I used 95% english speaking figure for Ireland and UK which is why that looks funny.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 05:36:08 PM EST
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Re: Membership by country vs english speakers (none / 0)

I'm too tired to notice anything: I'm running on autopilot.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 05:47:13 PM EST
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Re: Membership by country vs english speakers (none / 0)

I can't even being to remember how to assess a correlation.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 05:36:32 PM EST
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Re: Membership by country vs english speakers (none / 0)

Man, I love R.

Countries appearing "higher" are underrepresented in proportion to their number of English speakers.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 05:46:10 PM EST
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Re: Membership by country vs english speakers (none / 1)

Where's BG?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 06:04:12 PM EST
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Re: Membership by country vs english speakers (none / 0)

Colman didn't lift the data from the Eurobarometer... I'll fix that.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 06:05:50 PM EST
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Re: Membership by country vs english speakers (none / 0)

Bulgaria.

With 13 members (and a couple extra who went the default way) we're overrepresented

...not that anyone minds. :)

by gradinski chai on Fri Mar 10th, 2006 at 02:17:13 AM EST
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Re: Membership by country vs english speakers (none / 0)

How many went the default way?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 10th, 2006 at 02:47:18 AM EST
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Re: Membership by country vs english speakers (none / 0)

By the way, colman, the "country code" is the self-identification in the user preferences, or the e-mail address?

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 10th, 2006 at 05:37:00 AM EST
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Re: Membership by country vs english speakers (none / 0)

Self-indentification. That's easy to get - there's an admin page that lists id, location, karma and time of creation. That's all that's easily available.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 10th, 2006 at 05:38:08 AM EST
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Re: Membership by country vs english speakers (none / 1)

Ooooooohhh, A karma checking device. Now that's something I really need.

by gradinski chai on Sat Mar 11th, 2006 at 01:41:35 AM EST
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Re: Membership by country vs english speakers (none / 0)

Colman,

My estimate is that at least three went the default way.

by gradinski chai on Sat Mar 11th, 2006 at 01:39:33 AM EST
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Re: Membership by country vs english speakers (none / 0)

BG is overrepresented because your students seemed to like the site. Kudos to you.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 10th, 2006 at 05:35:52 AM EST
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Re: Membership by country vs english speakers (none / 0)

That's Greece and Denmark overlapping.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 06:33:47 PM EST
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Re: Membership by country vs english speakers (none / 0)

So who's the Irish guy (or gal) that counts for 0.75 in that 13.75?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 05:21:52 PM EST
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Re: Membership by country vs english speakers (none / 0)

I should probably have done something about that axis. Watch me not care.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 05:27:29 PM EST
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Re: Membership by country vs english speakers (none / 1)

I shall watch carefully. (or is it careilly?)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 9th, 2006 at 06:04:59 PM EST
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