Deconstructing Vanity Fair on Climate Science

by Nomad
Tue May 2nd, 2006 at 03:31:21 PM EST

In a thread of last week's, DeAnander intrepidly confessed to have wrestled with tweezers and protective gloves through the recent Vanity Fair Green Issue. The article of interest here, dubiously called "While Washington Slept", was later kindly linked to by Alexandra in WMass. As I attempted a first read, it almost generated internal haemorrhages - hence I stopped, and gave myself over to excessively celebrating the Queen's birthday (although it wasn't hers, and it wasn't on that day anyway).  

On Sunday, after some pre-emptive aspirins, I set out to read the article again and after groaning my way through the first two pages, the rest of the article is actually a reasonable balanced article - yet does not weary in its tendencies to highlight the extremist viewpoints. A further tragedy is that the author focuses far too much on a debate that has really been settled by scientists, global warming, instead of further highlighting the crux of today: getting rid of our hydrocarbon based, CO2 puffing society.

But the main goal of today is that a brief clean-up session is in order. Mark Hertsgaard may have given his best to serve the coolest drink - yet on climate science he spilled heavily from the onset.


Temperatures are rising, the Queen learned from King and other scientists, because greenhouse gases are trapping heat in the atmosphere. Carbon dioxide, the most prevalent of such gases, is released whenever fossil fuels are burned or forests catch fire. Global warming, the scientists explained, threatens to raise sea levels as much as three feet by the end of the 21st century, thanks to melting glaciers and swollen oceans. (Water expands when heated.)

The first paragraph I highlight is fair enough at face value. Although it wouldn't have hurt to make clear somewhere in the article that CO2 is not the only big bogeyman in this discussion - something I've been wanting to point out at ET for some time now. Considered at a PR level, I find it foolish to constantly single-out one particular gas in a complex system such as the earth - as it draws the focus away of other problematic emissions. The Vanity Fair article completely fails at this point and propagates the myth that the silver bullet lies in eradicating our CO2.

I like to start by mentioning that James Hansen, a key expert in the climate debate at NASA, suggested in 2000 in a PNAS publication that the role of greenhouse gasses other than CO2 were maybe as large or even larger in the latter half of the twentieth century - notably methane and CFC (those molecules responsible for the tropospheric ozone hole).

Source: NASA

The resulting PNAS article is freely available in its entirety, including more funky graphs.

That's not all. Regional effects of these other greenhouse gasses have not been properly considered everywhere. One of my favourite recent examples is the one I've listed several times, but will do so again: another NASA research that showed the potential role tropospheric ozone has in warming up the Arctic. Tropospheric ozone - which mainly is as anthropogenic as fossil fuel CO2 - has been causing a strongly regional melting effect at the Arctic. The Arctic melting simply could not be contributed completely to the already observed 0.6-0.9 C global temperature increase - but brace yourself for the day you read that in the papers.

And how about soot as climate forcing as it reduces albedo, another study by Hansen? No. Let's not mention that either. Too difficult to handle perhaps for the intellectuals dipping in Vanity Fair, while reducing soot emission is a lot simpler than CO2 reduction and could help us in avoiding the Earth to fall into a positive feedback loop of melting ice. We can go on for a little while like this.

And alas, CO2 has again been singled out as the bully of the climate. Proving that this was just an appetiser and Mr. Hertsgaard is only warming up, he really goes out on a limb in the second paragraph as he sucks dry the cup of doom.

This would leave much of eastern England, including areas near Sandringham, underwater. Global warming would also bring more heat waves like the one in the summer of 2003 that killed 31,000 people across Europe. It might even shut down the Gulf Stream, the flow of warm water from the Gulf of Mexico that gives Europe its mild climate. If the Gulf Stream were to halt--and it has already slowed 30 percent since 1992--Europe's temperatures would plunge, agriculture would collapse, London would no longer feel like New York but like Anchorage.

Where that 31.000 number comes from puzzles me, but I won't comment further on it. Now the Gulf Stream, however... Let's begin at the beginning: Mr. Hertsgaard makes the oft made mistake of confusing the Gulf Stream, which is mainly wind driven with the Thermohaline Circulation, which is largely driven by density differences. It's the latter that brings the warmth of the ocean to the European continent, and it's also the latter that was reported to slow down by 30 percent in a Nature paper last year by Harry Bryden. The BBC environment correspondent Richard Black was bold enough to highlight the research with a quote "This more or less constitutes a smoking gun" in a piece similarly deceptively titled Ocean Changes `will cool Europe'.

Yet scrolling down that same article, Black already highlights the natural variability and possibility of a natural trend. That is not all. In the same Nature edition in which Bryden's paper was published, also an accompanying introduction/review was written by Richard Kerr. He writes, among others:

The picture is still fuzzy, however. "It would be dangerous to jump to the conclusion that there's a persistent weakening" of the conveyor circulation, says ocean and climate modeller Richard Wood of the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Exeter, U.K. Wood, Rhines, and Bryden all worry that the near-instantaneous snapshots taken by the ocean surveys might have been misleading. Like any part of the complex climate system, the conveyor is bound to slow down at times and speed up at others. The two latest surveys, Wood says, may have happened to catch the Atlantic as the conveyor slowed temporarily, giving the impression that a permanent change had taken place.

On the other hand, the analysis may not have even captured what happened in the past decade or so. Climate models simulating the conveyor in a warming world don't call for such a large slowdown until sometime in the next century, Wood notes. In fact, climate researcher Jeff Knight of the Hadley Centre and colleagues recently reported that changing sea surface temperatures suggest that the conveyor has speeded up a bit since the 1970s (Science, 1 July, p. 41). And physical oceanographers Carl Wunsch and Patrick Heimbach of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology have just crunched far more oceanographic data from a variety of sources over the interval of dramatic change (1993 to 2004) in the NOC analysis. In a paper submitted for publication, they report a small slowdown, a quarter the size of the NOC group's. The change in heat transported northward is negligible, they calculate.

This is science working at its best. Your theory is right until the next one shows that yours is wrong. There is no clear idea yet as to what caused the observations of the Thermohaline Circulation. It may be natural variation, it may be not. If I remember correctly, the research by Wunch and Heimbach also compensated for the strong North Atlantic Oscillation observed for the past decade and which has been recently switching back, as depicted in this neat post by Chris Kulczycki.

But Mr. Hertsgaard prefers bed-time horror stories instead, since that makes readers swallow bait, hook and sinker. I find it a missed opportunity he doesn't return on the issue later to correct the aggrandisement.

Thirdly, and lastly: the hurricanes, the big fright for the American coastal zones, especially since last year August. This being a largely meteorological field, it's a field which I do not actively follow - I'm more of an earth-man. But I briefly dipped into the matter after Katrina when I still had easy access to these papers. So for what's it worth:

The first person Mr. Hertsgaard interviews in this context is prof. Emmanuel at MIT, who last year put out both a buzz-worthy article (and also a book), in which he showed that intensified global warming would push hurricanes more often into more powerful categories. Personally, this seems a more than excellent piece of research to me. Jumping onto the shouting box that last year's storms were already the effect of anthropogenic caused warming is not. It ignores the respectable work of dozens and it leaves the feature as presented skewed. First watch how in a few paragraphs the doubts about whether the suffering in New Orleans was solely to blame by global warming gets whittled away chip by chip:

No one can say for sure whether global warming caused Hurricane Katrina, which slammed into the Gulf Coast on August 29, 2005. But it certainly fit the pattern. The scientific rule of thumb is that one can never blame any one weather event on any single cause. The earth's weather system is too complex for that. Most scientists agree, however, that global warming makes extra-strong hurricanes such as Katrina more likely because it encourages hot oceans, a precondition of hurricane formation.

"It's a bit like saying, 'My grandmother died of lung cancer, and she smoked for the last 20 years of her life--smoking killed her,'" explains Kerry Emanuel, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who has studied hurricanes for 20 years. "Well, the problem is, there are an awful lot of people who die of lung cancer who never smoked. There are a lot of people who smoked all their lives and die of something else. So all you can say, even [though] the evidence statistically is clear connecting lung cancer to smoking, is that [the grandmother] upped her probability."

Just weeks before Katrina struck, Emanuel published a paper in the scientific journal Nature demonstrating that hurricanes had grown more powerful as global temperatures rose in the 20th century. Now, he says, by adding more greenhouse gases to the earth's atmosphere, humans are "loading the climatic dice in favor of more powerful hurricanes in the future."

But most Americans heard nothing about Hurricane Katrina's association with global warming. Media coverage instead reflected the views of the Bush administration--specifically, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, which declared that the hurricane was the result of natural factors. An outcry from N.O.A.A.'s scientists led the agency to backtrack from that statement in February 2006, but by then conventional wisdom was set in place. Post-Katrina New Orleans may eventually be remembered as the first major U.S. casualty of global warming, yet most Americans still don't know what hit us.

Eventually? From Emmanuel's own website:

8) Q: I gather from this last discussion that it would be absurd to attribute the Katrina disaster to global warming?
A:  Yes, it would be absurd.

I knew I had talked about Emmanuel before and with a little sleuthing through the ET archive, the name popped up in a question by DoDo during a diary with a similar vein of discussion. Herein I briefly discussed the article of Webster, Holland, Curry and Chang, published about the same time in Science, in which they show that the number of total hurricanes and tropical storms has remained pretty constant with time, but that the category 4 and 5 hurricanes have become more abundant. This concurs with Emmanuel's theorem, but does that immediately mean global warming is here? Even Webster cautions to remain doubtful.

William Gray, one of the other great authorities on hurricanes wholeheartedly disagrees with that view and he even goes on record that he's sceptic on the fuzz around global warming in general - a dangerous thing to do today. I found an insightful interview with him, here. He reports a point I observed last year reading the Webster et al article (somehow this gives me a sense of validation, so if I sound to you somewhat proud, you're right):

The Atlantic has had more of these storms in the least 10 years or so, but in other ocean basins, activity is slightly down. Why would that be so if this is climate change? The Atlantic is a special basin? The number of major storms in the Atlantic also went way down from the middle 1960s to the middle '90s, when greenhouse gases were going up.

Then there are people such as Chris Landsea and his terrific FAQ website on hurricanes who has (as far as I know) withdrawn to work on the Fourth Annual Report of the IPCC because he could not agree with the position that global warming must be the cause of intensified hurricanes - which is the exact opposite conclusion of the previous IPCC Annual Report, the TAR.

Landsea was one of the first to caution about the effect of the AMO, the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation, say the larger brother of the NAO. In last year's publication in the Geophysical Research Letters, climate modeller Jeff Knight based in Exeter (UK) showed that the AMO delivers a strong signature to the climate - including hurricanes.

And it just happens that the AMO has been coming around - if this is right we've already entered a period in which natural hurricane increase is common. (I note that the time-frame roughly corresponds with Gray's observations in the linked interview.) For those interested, Knight's article can be found here (PDF!!).

So, you could even interpret this as worse news: natural hurricane increase could be on the way - without global warming yet putting its shoulder to the wheel.

In the meantime, Mr. Hertsgaard skips and skittles over the nuances and alternative views and falls into the repeating record of fighting global warming deniers. He later highlights himself that this is largely an American problem - but is it worth 7 out of 10 pages to focus on a powerful but decreasing group of fossilized men? A group which, I must say, have done science a really poor favour: global warming deniers have made it practically impossible for scientists with an opposite view to get the word out on their research. Try finding a mention of Knight's article on the BBC website.

Recapitulating. The article in Vanity Fair encapsulates practically everything what I resent about popular press whipping up their features on climate science. It's biased to the extreme takes, it is without nuance or without context. Context, which I hope to have made clear in this diary:
1.) CO2 is not our only problem in fighting greenhouse gasses emissions. In fact, it's our most difficult one - while other greenhouse gasses with a similar impact can be more easily manipulated or reduced in emissions.
2.) The Gulf Stream is not shutting down, and the observed reduction in thermohaline circulation is so far a recent short-term anomaly - not a persisting trend as yet.
3.) If global warming is indeed generating more intensified hurricanes, but global warming is not (yet) affecting them - we could be truly entering a whole new world of Hurricane Hurt. But keep in mind that there's no proven causation (yet?) that the increased strength of hurricanes in the Atlantic Basin is linked to increasing global temperatures.

And lastly my free advice to Mr. Hertsgaard: Cool it on the climate and stick to reporting what you do best: hobnobs with the royals and the governmental big shots.

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by Nomad on Tue May 2nd, 2006 at 09:35:29 AM EST
Just FYI this and other topic related diaries have been added to the ET wiki archives in the environment section:http://www.eurotribwiki.com/pmwiki.php/Main/Environment

Please all feel free to add other relevant diaries.

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Wed May 3rd, 2006 at 08:10:31 PM EST
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I am better informed for being here. Thanks, Nomad.

I'm a sucker for sensation, probably because I sigh when confronted by all the reading it takes these days to keep up with being a so-called 'informed person'. So I tend to go with the conspiratorial soundbites rather than the msm soundbites. Though neither show up well in the light of science.

But show me an AMO chart and I am an instantly reformed character.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue May 2nd, 2006 at 02:00:21 PM EST
Some kind person should frontpage this...

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue May 2nd, 2006 at 02:01:26 PM EST
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I look forward to reading this tomorrow, sorry sleepy now

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue May 2nd, 2006 at 05:03:45 PM EST
superb job Nomad as always.  I knew it would be :-)

and I apologise for having obliged/provoked you to do so much ferreting and typing to critique Hertsgaard's "creatively popularised science."

and I thank you for helping me spring a wee ethical trap:  is not Hertsgaard trying to do just what kcurie recommended a short time ago, and what many of us grudgingly, with gritted teeth, admit may be necessary -- i.e. to craft a new mythology, a new story?  his article with its delightful speculative images of flooded McMansions on elite beachfronts, weaves a future narrative as compelling as JG Ballard and with better science behind it than Ballard ever bothered with :-)  it is not real science, because in real science, both gods and devils are in the details -- and myth-making does not deal in details.  we do not
pause to wonder whether Paris's apple, being apple-shaped, would really have rolled in a straight, predictable line.  if we do, it rather spoils the legend.

your reaction to Hertsgaard I think illustrates the extreme difficulty that all Enlightenment-acculturated thinkers face when confronting the need for new, more survival-oriented grand cultural narratives:  the narratives will always be, even if only by simplification and omission, falsified.  yet the mountain of fractal detail, fine uncertainty, deep complexity that experts know really obtains, is not only more than most people have the spare time to ingest -- it is inherently a narrative-killer.  narratives require plot, and plots can't bog down too far in minutiae or, like Proust, we lose a large number of readers who cannot deal with spending several chapters on the emotional associations evoked by one cup of tea and a small cookie :-)

this problem is exacerbated -- hat tip as usual to Postman -- by a media/cultural environment that encourages short attention span, a cultural/built environment rabidly obsessed with convenience and speed, and a cultural knowledge-midden of such daunting dimensions and density that it is hard for any person living, regardless of his/her gifts/advantages/determination, to consider him/herself a Well Educated Person (this leads to a kind of intellectual fatalism).  all the above make it even harder to share stories that are adequately complex, and increase the temptation (necessity?) for agents of cultural change to tell simpler, more colourful, more digestible narratives.

Hertsgaard, like VF itself, is tailoring the story to the audience.  VF's glitzy feelgood wrapper turns down the anxiety level -- presents climate change as a spectacle, and eco-consciousness as an affluent lifestyle option;  so MH turns up the heat with his "bed time horror story" (as you imho aptly put it).  I'm not comfortable with either of them;  but many folks are of the opinion that VF is right to reach out any way it can to people who would otherwise be clueless.  is MH trying his version of the same thing?  does a spoonful of Scary help the medicine go down?

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Tue May 2nd, 2006 at 05:29:10 PM EST
Well said, as usual.
by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Tue May 2nd, 2006 at 10:03:32 PM EST
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I agree with Alexandra; well said indeed.

I was about to argue that sensationalism may actually be needed if we plan on using the precautionary principle. If we want action on GW and curbing of CO2 (or soot or CH4 for that matter as Nomad acknowledges) we cannot afford a message that is ambiguous.

If we believe that the chances of the global ecosystem being endangered by certain actions, then crusade rhetoric is one of the tools for mobilizing and recruiting towards this cause.

That aside, Nomad's diary was instructional indeed.

Orthodoxy is not a religion.

by BalkanIdentity (balkanid _ at _ google.com) on Wed May 3rd, 2006 at 12:24:57 AM EST
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How deliciously cunning. I'll be honest here: you caught me off-balance. Let me try to order my thoughts in response:

On myth-making to sell the climate change: I fear you've it completely right even when (and by no means I intend offence) it sounds rather elitist and snobbish to educate the masses with lies-to-children. This goes against my instincts to educate as far as you can take it, and as you highlight, I think that goes with most of the more highly educated folks. But that's an incremental process, not aided by the industrial barrage of denial and playing down of science finds, or the short attention span syndrome you eloquently described. As an opposite anecdote, I did find at the end of March a piece in the Wall Street Journal on increasing hurricanes, linked to global warming and repeating the same bullet points as Vanity Fair. So who knows. In any case, if Vanity Fair can "sway" people into leaving their with flames brushpainted Dodge Ram at the side of the road and switch it for a Prius not just out of monetary push-pull factors, yeah to them.

One of the devils lies here, I feel. From all angles I get the sensation that MH is as much a global warming convert without a critical assessment emplaced as most of the major press reports. And that really saddens me, as it clamps down the opportunities for other brilliant thinkers to get their work published or highlighted, something I underlined in the diary. If you're in the opposite scientific camp with genuine motivations, it's an uphill struggle, and I thoroughly resent that. The industries spawning the hordes of doubt science and spreading the "humans inherited the earth" doctrine are as much (or more) to blame for that, BTW.

So the choice is this: for a better planet and to attempt reaching a more sensible community, the scientific realities have to be abandoned. That's pretty harsh on me in itself. I'm however well aware that I am in a minority position to change the myth making machine, which is already rutting itself in climate change bullet points and memes.

What I cannot accept, however, is that the myth-making starts overwhelming those Enlightenment-acculturated folks as well. A process which has been becoming rather eminent to my mind and even for those folks swarming here at ET, myths of global warming start becoming the pervasive viewpoint. Then something is going wrong in my book. Do we need to believe the narrative or are we aware that wolves don't swallow humans whole?

Secondly, even when public pressure is up, the decision makers belong often to the same lot of intellectuals. Last year, I happened to have a brief chat with one of the members with the European Parliament, the one my sister was working for. He just stepped unexpectedly into the kitchen - got me off-balance, too. Even he, while he's in the more progressive, socialist party, professed his doubts on how real the anthropogenic effect on global warming is. It didn't mean he didn't support the actions to curtail emissions, though, and he is fiercely critical on the bio-farm industry. Public pressure can only go so far to make a politician take the proper medication.

Enough now. I think this has grown out of hand anyway. I just could've written your ploy worked...

by Nomad on Wed May 3rd, 2006 at 07:43:41 AM EST
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Myths are both to be debunked and re-created. This got me thinking of how one might start that with a letter to the editor of VF. They do publish letter to the editor in every issue.

Letters to the editor, i.e. letters that express readers' opinions about a given Vanity Fair article or issue, or about the magazine or Web site, can be e-mailed to letters@vf.com or faxed to 212-286-4324. The magazine reserves the right to edit submissions, which may be published or otherwise used in any medium. All submissions become the property of Vanity Fair.

This is not a trap! (maybe it's a pipe). I realise you've already invested a lot of time in responding in this diary and don't mean to add work, which may in the end not be rewarding at all, by imply you should also now write to the editor. However, it did get me thinking about how one would get your points across in a short letter format. I'm still thinking about it and haven't come up with the new perfect mythology yet but thought I should put the idea out to the ET brain trust....

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Wed May 3rd, 2006 at 11:04:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Let me ponder that proposition for one night, Alexandra... Writing diaries on a blog is one thing, writing posts to editors of a magazine selling some million copies is another...
by Nomad on Wed May 3rd, 2006 at 01:59:32 PM EST
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The region of the Atlantic Ocean where major hurricanes tend to breed has warmed by about 1 degree Fahrenheit in the past century, according to a new study that bolsters arguments that human-induced global warming is contributing to tropical storms.

The research, published Monday in the Journal of Climate, used new climate model computer simulations that better represent environmental factors including greenhouse gases, volcanic eruptions, particulate pollution and fluctuating levels of solar energy.

Thomas Knutson, senior research meteorologist at the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory run by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in Princeton, N.J., explained that the model was run both with and without including factors associated with human influence on the atmosphere.

The results for the breeding ground around the Cape Verde Islands most closely matched what actually happened to temperatures there when the human contribution was included than when only natural effects were fed into the model.

The region between 10 and 20 degrees North Latitude from the west coast of Africa to Central America generates some of the Atlantic's most ferocious storms, which have a tendency to track into the Caribbean Sea and toward U.S. coastlines.

Systems that form there are more likely to be long-lived and develop into major hurricanes as they meander for days and even weeks over warm tropical waters.

In a typical "active" tropical storm season, which early government and independent forecasts say 2006 will be, an average of seven hurricanes are "Cape Verde" storms.

The argument that has raged among hurricane scientists in recent years is whether the increase in Atlantic hurricane activity and intensity seen since the mid-1990s is all part of a natural "multi-decadal" pattern that's been documented back to at least the 19th century, or if global warming is generating more and nastier storms independently of this pattern.

"This very long-term increase in temperature may seem small, but it is comparable in magnitude to the shorter timer-scale, multi-decadal changes that many scientists now believe contribute strongly to an increase in hurricane activity in the Atlantic," Knutson said.

While some hurricane experts argue that the hurricane cycle is still driven by regular shifts in ocean current and that tropical storm activity will slow again in another 10 to 15 years, the computer projections suggest otherwise.

Knutson, who also presented some of his findings to a gathering of meteorologists specializing in tropical storm prediction last week, said the warming of tropical waters to date "is the tip of the iceberg" and that the model suggests the water will warm by three or four times as much over the next century.

Rest of article:  http://www.kitsapsun.com/bsun/bu_technology/article/0,2403,BSUN_19061_4667193,00.html

by Plan9 on Tue May 2nd, 2006 at 10:04:05 PM EST
I can't access the article from where I am now, but I bookmarked a reminder to get to it. I'm pretty damn sure this debate will be spun up again the moment Hurricane season starts...

Like Emmanuel, Knutson is another authority at hurricane modelling. Predictably, also his work is not without criticism, his models have attracted comments (also by Landsea) that they tend to exaggerate hurricane power by neglecting to model natural effects working opposite to hurricane strength, such as wind shear forces and so forth. But the major line of his research seems uncontested.

For once, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. The two main schools have now been pitted against each other: one is predicting a decrease in hurricane intensity over some 15 years, the other is saying it won't decrease. What happens over 10, 15 years? Now that's quite a scary experiment - but it would put to rest a momentous question... Of course, if in 15 years we'd see even worse hurricanes piling up, majorly screwed wouldn't quite describe the answer.

by Nomad on Wed May 3rd, 2006 at 06:43:40 AM EST
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If I remember correctly (from the folks over at Weather Underground), the surprising thing about last year's hurricane season was not that the sea was 1 F warmer than historically, but that strong hurricanes were forming below the conventional-wisdom threshold of (IIRC) 25 C surface temperatures. Any thoughts on that?

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 3rd, 2006 at 08:44:47 AM EST
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In the Webster et al article they have a graph of summer SST by Ocean basin, and the lowest temperature starts at 27 degrees C in the North Atlantic Basin. (And on eyeball comparsion there seems a reasonable match with the SST deviation from the AMO picture posted in the diary.)

But to your question, I've no immediate answer. BTW, did you see this post at Weather Underground disecting the Webster article with an accuracy much better than I could but with practically the same message?

http://www.wunderground.com/education/webster.asp

by Nomad on Thu May 4th, 2006 at 04:16:01 AM EST
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London already doesn't feel like New York, it feels more like Washington DC in the winter and San Francisco in the summer. The numbers I've seen for the temperature change that Europe would experience is in the single digits, like about 3 degrees C. That's not going to make London feel like Anchorage, but more like New York...
http://www.wunderground.com/education/abruptclimate.asp
by asdf on Tue May 2nd, 2006 at 10:28:45 PM EST
Now posted on dKos: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/3/82942/34831

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed May 3rd, 2006 at 08:37:39 AM EST
European Tribune
has an impressive proportion of other wonky contributors...
Huh?
wonky Chiefly British 1. Shaky; feeble. 2. Wrong; awry.
That's one wonky endorsement, Jerome ;-)

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 3rd, 2006 at 08:42:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]
And your comment is definitely wonky...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed May 3rd, 2006 at 09:48:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Of the humorous or amusingly perverse variety, perhaps?
Wonky wong'kee adj. To not be the same in size; skew-whiff; to be offset; broken; to be weird; to be strange or goofey; to be warped from its original shape; behaviour seemingly crazy, humorous or amusingly perverse.


By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 3rd, 2006 at 09:51:57 AM EST
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More über-wonkiness. How many more definitions will you provide?! ;-)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed May 3rd, 2006 at 03:47:50 PM EST
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If we need an adjective from "wonk", as in, policy wonk, I suggest wonkish. "Wonky", in British English at least, really does mean skew-whiff, awry, lopsided, as Migeru says.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 3rd, 2006 at 03:58:45 PM EST
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wonkesque

wonkistical

wonkuitical  (prone to engagement in lengthy technical hairsplitting)

wonkerie  (the general practise of same)

wonkinade  (a showy rhetorical flourish of same)

wonkithetical  (as in a lengthy digression from a main argument, added solely to satisfy the author's wonkuitical obsessions)

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Wed May 3rd, 2006 at 04:14:58 PM EST
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I like your wordplays, de, also how about: wonkitude wonkilation wonkistry?
by Alex in Toulouse on Wed May 3rd, 2006 at 04:21:00 PM EST
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as in "100 Years of Wonkitude"

or

Painless Wonkistry

?

but wonkillation, that is with 2 L's and is somewhat like fibrillation.  it is an oscillating state that a wonk's brain goes into when confronted with (a) the need to produce a simple accessible statement on Topic A, when a really satisfactory treatment of Topic A requires at least six doctoral dissertations and three national conferences;  or (b) a simple accessible statement on Topic A already prepared by some other person who clearly didn't wonkillate, or (c) most any popularised or fictional treatment of Topic A produced by major corporate media.  wonkillation is the result of extreme overstimulation of the footnote-producing areas of the brain, without immediate outlet for the energy.  if the brain continues in this mode for too many minutes without some means of heat transfer, it may actually explode.  minor brain explosions have been documented in software engineers watching Hollywood movies with software/networking themes such as 'Sneakers', and in subjects with a physics background watching almost any space opera ever filmed.  although my data set is sparse, I believe wonkillation has also been measured in ex-military and -police personnel watching thrillers and war movies.  emergency brain-saving heat transfer has in some cases been achieved by (a) oral thermal venting via loud uncontrollable cries of "Bulls**t", "Rubbish" and the like, and/or (b) the hurling of objects such as shoes (at a projection screen) or books (containing the wonkillatogenic material) with great force.

:-)

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Wed May 3rd, 2006 at 04:39:42 PM EST
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A 100 years of wonkitude is a lovely wink at one of the best books ever.

your definition of wonkillation on the other hand just makes my head go pssssssh schboum, because it's quite good

by Alex in Toulouse on Wed May 3rd, 2006 at 06:03:42 PM EST
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I nominate Jérôme (due to his oil diaries and charming graph and chart collection) for our Professor of Painless Wonkistry :-)

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...
by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Wed May 3rd, 2006 at 07:15:37 PM EST
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Sorry, I used "wonky" in the meaning you ascribe to "wonkish", then. I'm sure I've seen it in US English (which I think I use most of the time, except for the "z" in privatisation and the like which I cannot tolerate).

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed May 3rd, 2006 at 04:31:16 PM EST
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I was genuinely trying to figure out what you meant by "wonky" and couldn't believe my eyes ;-)

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 3rd, 2006 at 04:27:04 PM EST
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