Then, in Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations I found an explanation of the relation between economic growth and general welfare (although not phrased in those terms). Smith starts with a bit on living wages:

But though in disputes with their workmen, masters must generally have the advantage, there is however a certain rate below which it seems impossible to reduce, for any considerable time, the ordinary wages even of the lowest species of labour.

A man must always live by his work, and his wages must at least be sufficient to maintain him. They must even upon most occasion be somewhat more; otherwise it would be impossible for him to bring up a family, and the race of such workmen could not last beyond the first generation.

Interestingly, Smith assumes that children will be employed in a similar occupation to their parents. His living wage, to use modern parlance, must be really modest, because today's "working poor" still manage to survive and produce families. Then, a little bit on labour relations...

When in any country the demand for those who live by wages, labourers, journeymen, servants of every kind, in continually increasing; when every year furnishes employment for a greater number than had been employed the year before, the workmen have no occasion to combine in order to raise their wages. The scarcity of labour occasions a competition among masters, who bid against one another, in order to get workmen, and thus voluntarily break through the natural combination of masters not to raise wages.

Now for the relation between minimum wages and economic growth:

The demand for those who live by wages, therefore, necessarily increases with the increase of the revenue and stock of every country, and cannot possibly increase without it. The increase of revenue and stocks is the increase of national wealth. The demand for those who live by wages, therefore, naturally increases with the increase of national wealth, and cannot possibly increase without it.

It is not the actual greatness of national wealth, but its continual increase, which occasions a rise in the wages of labour. It is not, accordingly, in the richest countries, but in the most thriving, or in those which are growing rich the fastest, that the wages of labour are highest. England is certainly, in the present times, a much richer country than any part of North America. The wages of labour, however, are much higher in North America than in any part of England.

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But though North America is not yet as rich as England, it is much more thriving, and advancing with much greater rapidity to the further acquisition of riches.

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Though the wealth of a country should be very great, yet it has been long stationary, we must not expect to find the wages of labour very high in it. The funds destined for the payment of wages, the revenue and stock of its inhabitants, may be of the greatest extent; but if they have continued for several centuries of the same, or very nearly of the same extent, the number of labourers employed every day could easily supply, and even more than supply, the number wanted the following year. There could seldom be any scarcity of hands, nor could the masters be obliged to bid against one another in order to get them. The hands, on the contrary, would, in this case, naturally multiply beyond their employment. There would be a constant scarcity of employment, and the labourers would be obliged to bid against one another in order to get it. If in such a country the wages of labour had ever been more than sufficient to maintain the labourer, and to enable him to bring up a family, the competition of the labourers and interest of the masters would soon reduce them to this lowest rate which is consistent with common humanity. China has been long one of the richest, that is, one of the most fertile, best cultivated, most industrious, and most populous countries in the world. It seems however, to have been long stationary. [...] The accounts of all travellers, inconsistent in many other respects, agree in the low wages of labour, and the difficulty which a labourer finds in bringing up a family in China.

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China, however, though it may perhaps stand still, does not seem to go backwards.

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But it would be otherwise in a country where the funds destined for the maintenance of labour were sensibly decaying. Every year the demand for servants and labourers would, in all the different classes of employments, be less than it had been the year before. Many who had been bred in the superior classes, not being able to find employment in their own business, would be glad to seek it in the lowest. The lowest class being not only overstocked with its own workmen, but with the overflowing of all the other classes, the competition for employment would be so great in it, as to reduce the wages of labour to the most miserable and scanty subsistence of the labourer. Many would not be able to find employment even upon these hard terms, but would either starve, or be driven to seek subsistence either by begging, or by the perpetrating perhaps of the greatest enormities. Want, famine and mortality would immediately prevail in that class, and from thence extend themselves to all the superior classes, till the number of inhabitants in the country was reduced to what could easily be maintained by the revenue and stock which remained in it, and which had escaped either the tyranny or calamity which had destroyed the rest. This perhaps is nearly the present state of Bengal, and of some of the other English settlements in the East Indies. In a fertile country which had before been much depopulated, where subsistence, consequently, should not be very difficult, and where, notwithstanding three or four hundred thousand people die of hunger in one year, we may be assured that the funds destined for the maintenance of the labouring poor are fast decaying.

Smith ends with the following indictment of the East India Company:

The difference between the genius of the British constitution which protects and governs North America, and that of the mercantile company which oppresses and domineers in the East Indies, cannot perhaps be better illustrated than by the different state of those countries.

Why is this important?

In modern language, I think that Adam Smith is simply saying that wages are in a direct correlation to GDP per capita, which should not be surprising. This explains the emphasis on growing the GDP. Still, what if GDP growth is not sustainable for one reason or another?

There is, in fact, every indication that our current economic model is unsustainable. Resource depletion and environmental damage are almost irrepairable. Exponential GDP growth can only go on forever if the "Production Possibility Frontier" expands exponentially. The problem is that the expansion of our economy is fuelled by nonrenewable resources, and so at some point the PPF might stop growing fast enough. Considering also that a substantial fraction of the world's population survives on less than $2 a day, and that even in the "first world" long-term unemployment is rampant and only getting worse due to outsourcing, it might be that any GDP growth is only benefitting the moneyed elite, and not the generality of the working poor.

Assume for a moment that there are limits for growth of the world's GDP. Then the only way to prevent a general decay of living conditions, even for us in the first world, will be to substantially reduce population, but this is not about to happen.

So, the question is, is there a way for "steady state economics" to escape the very unattractive depiction that Adam Smith makes of it? As the efficiency of labour increases with time even with a constant GDP, are the only alternatives either a decrease in population or in living standards, or both?

To end on a grim note, it is clear that war is a way to keep the GDP growing. You spend money on making weapons, then spend money paying people to use up those weapons destroying resource, capital, and killing people, and then use even more money in reconstruction. However, if the world reaches a point where the only way to increse the GDP is war, the relative size of the "war industry" in the world economy will increase until the whole economy is in war mode, and we end up living in a world not unlike Orwell's distopia. Is this what Eisenhower was warning about when he spoke of the dangers of the military-Industrial complex?

Although I fear I'll understand as much as I undsrtand theoretical physics.

The core of evil is a lack of empathy

I just can't figure it out.

Let's take a single company that produces with profit. Is profit wealth creation? It appears to me it isn't: profit is the difference of the company expenses and receipts, but those receipts had to be there in the pocket of someone in the first place. In an economy consisting of nothing but workers who spend wages they got from companies who invest all their profit, there would be money circulation permanent zero growth [or, more realistically, GDP reduction], with the profit of some companies balancing the loss of others.

So let's introduce capitalists into the economy. Does investing money holdings in hope of getting it back with profit constitute wealth creation? It appears to me the situation is the same as before: the capitalists' profit also comes from money received from others, be them workers spending their wages, companies buying means of production or capitalists spending or investing their money.

So let's introduce wealth and wealth pricing into the model economy. If the price of stocks or houses or land rises, it can be sold for more than bought, and used for higher investment or consumption. But I don't see how this shall lead to overall growth either: higher-priced wealth should first be made money before it enters production and thus GDP, but the purchaser's money again comes from the producing economy or another object of wealth that was made money. And price hikes are fuelled by demand.

So, thinking of foreign-credit-dependent US growth, or European colonists in prior centuries, or expanding empires, maybe growth comes from conquest and takeover of others' wealth? This is a tempting picture, but doesn't explain global GDP growth.

I have two remaining thoughts, thought through only half-way.

2. Maybe economic growth comes not from production but from absorbing new natural resources? Maybe, as money is still needed to enter the economy, gold being the most important?
   
1. As the gold standard was ditched long ago, another thought: maybe GDP growth is in truth differential inflation? Maybe it all boils down to the price of different things changing relative to each other, and the measurement of inflation being more bound to stuff with less change in value?

This links to the dKos version, as I have been unable to find the ET link for the same piece.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

Perhaps this slops over into public policy?

I quote from an article (circa 1997) that I wrote about the conference...

Most of what he spoke about was pure mumbo-jumbo to me, but he kept on about his magic number 3.35 for hours, until he finally fell asleep in his soup at the speakers' dinner afterwards.

You can't be me, I'm taken

Some links (from short to long documents):
http://dieoff.org/page88.htm

http://www.earthrights.net/docs/daly.html

http://www.feasta.org/documents/feastareview/daly.htm

Growth is promoted by economists because they are paid by the financial industry (some indirectly). In a capitalist system people expect to get back more money than they put in when they invest. In truth there are only three ways this can happen: population growth, productivity growth and inflation. So economists need to promote growth otherwise capitalism wouldn't work.

I've tried to explore what a steady state economy would look like here:
Planning for a Steady State Economy

As I stated above, without population growth traditional investment won't work properly and therefore things like saving for retirement will have to be redesigned. Many pre-industrial societies existed without growth, so this not a new idea. As resources become limited people will have to take steps to limit growth or face catastrophe.


Policies not Politics
---- Daily Landscape

(1) What does GDP measure?

It measures C+I+G+NX, collectively known as aggregate demand.  All goods produced within the national economy that are bought, either by domestic consumers or consumers abroad.

(2) Why does it need to grow?

Inevitably we develop ways to produce more with less through innovation.  If fewer employees are needed at a company because of a boost in productivity, then "spare capacity" results, and it follows that the economy must expand in order to absorb factors which are idle.  Or, in short: "There is more to be done."

(3) Does the need for GDP growth outweigh any other policy goal?

In my opinion, no.  The need to develop alternative energy sources, in order to avoid the effects of global warming, dependency on an increasingly-scarce source, and other related issues, says, to me, that it is worth sacrificing some GDP growth in order to place the economy on solid ground for the future.  But, with that in mind, it should also be apparent that it is only a temporary sacrifice and might well result in a stronger economy, with more consistent GDP growth, in the future.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?