***Mexico: If no recount by July 30, "vigorous, radical actions"

by ManfromMiddletown
Sat Jul 29th, 2006 at 06:42:28 AM EST

On Sunday, July 30, 2006, the greatest demonstration in moder Mexican history is scheduled to occur. Between 2 and 3 millions highly pissed off peasants and workers aligned with the candidacy of Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador (AMLO) will take part in the third of a series of informative meetings in Mexico City's main square, the Zocalo.

Sunday, July 16, 2006

More that a million and a half Mexicans came to the Zocalo to demonstrate their support for AMLO.

From the front page & bumped - whataboutbob


Popular anger  is boiling over election irregularities widely considered to constitute an effort to "steal" the Mexican election as in 1988, when the candidate of AMLO's party (PRD) was denied victory after a computer crash that took a lead for the PRD and converted that into a victory for the then ruling PRI.  Popular anger, and a series of demostrations by a second opposition party (including a demand  for a vote by vote by a young Vincente Fox, current leader of the ruling PAN), the right wing PAN, gave impetus to electoral reforms that led to PAN's victory in 2000, ending the 71 year reign of the PRI.

Among the irregularities noted in this July 2 election were the apparent falsification  of vote totals in 40,000 precincts. Further irregularities were laid out by Greg Palast in Florida  con Salsa.  These include ballot box stuffing, illegal access by PAN to voter rolls, and the scrubbing of voter rolls a la Katherine Harris. The response of the Fox Administration has been to suggest that the real culprit is an electoral system with three parties leading to a result in which the eventual winner doesn't have an absolute majority, and the suggested corrective action is the implementation of a run-off in the 2012 elections.

AMLO and his supporters are unwilling to yield their contest of the election until a full recount has occurred.  At least one member of the body charged with the final decision on the legitmacy of the election, the Federal Election Tribunal (TRIFE), has indicated that one possible resolution of the current situation would be the annulment of the election.  Regardless, President Fox, and Felipe Calderon, his parties candidate and apparent winner of the election, have done their best to attack any effort to challenge the election as a threat to the stability of the country.  The patience of the masses who marched to the Zocalo is waning.

Next Sunday, the 30th of July will be a "watershed moment" for the country. Mexico will see one of the most important and numerous mobilizations that have come to head in our modern history. It is estimated that between 2.5 million and 3 million persons will demand a vote recount.

"In this moment, if National Accion (ed note PAN) continues to reject the opening of ballot boxes, very important decisions are going to be made, vigurous, radical, and absolutely strong actions that leave no doubt that we are not going to permit an imposition. (ed note of the electoral result) The PAN knows, 1988 isn't 2006, this time the imposition will not pass.

While the exact meaning of "vigorous, radical" action isn't clear, most likely this implies the occupation of economic targets (like when AMLO's supporters occupied oil facilites in has native Tabasco in the 1990's), the blocking of highways, and in general creating a situation of civil resistance that will impede the ability of the country to function economically and socially.  As I've pointed out before, one likely target are the PEMEX oil facilities that provide 1/3 of Mexican government revenues, likely leading to a dramatic drop in oil suppplies available in the North American market.

As for the consequences of such an action, recent events in Oaxaca offers some insight. A strike by the state teacher's union appears to have converged with concerns from indigenous communities in the area, and the conflict over the contested election.  A rag tag army of teachers and others occupied 10 hotels earlier this week, and in what's looking increasingly like a repeat of the 1994 Chiapas rebellion, parts of Oaxaca are being occupied by teachers and indigenous peoples.  Their intent is to force the state government to meet their demands, which I'll confess I don't understand.

Nonetheless, occupations and provocations of this type followed by rapid and brutal action by federal police would appear to be in store for the entire country unless there is a recount before next Sunday.

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by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Jul 23rd, 2006 at 01:09:33 PM EST
So the Yellow Revolution rolls on! Hope the commitment of the masses lasts.

Thanks for this summary. But, for the non-Spanish-speakers, could you give us more details on the ballot stuffing etc. charges?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Sun Jul 23rd, 2006 at 02:56:46 PM EST
From what I've heard, there was some ballot stuffing on all sides, but not enough to change the results.
by messy on Tue Jul 25th, 2006 at 09:20:45 AM EST
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A party that requires 100.00000% perfection in vote counting in order to win an election is asking for the impossible, and a country with such a party is doomed to revolution. Until a few weeks ago, Mexico was lauded as having an independent electoral commission with expertise and transparency that exceeded that of other Western countries. The post-election bickering is extremely dangerous. What is the proposal by Obrador to resolve this issue peacefully? Street demonstrations are hardly a good start.
by asdf on Sun Jul 23rd, 2006 at 10:25:26 PM EST
I'm sorry, but I think that counting all the votes is a prequisite for a democracy. And street demonstrations have a long history in Mexico, the foremost example being by the PAN in 1988.  So I have to say to their opposition, that they doth protest too much.

Lopez Obrador has pressed for a vote by vote recount. There is extensive evidence of the falsification of vote totals on ballot boxes.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Jul 23rd, 2006 at 10:38:02 PM EST
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What is more dangerous? Post-election bickering that might lead to some riots, maybe a few deaths; or allowing voting irregularities orchestrated by the ruling party determine the outcome of an election? If an issue cannot be resolved peacefully, is it always better to back down? Or are there perhaps issues that are worth risking ones safety and life for?

Yes, let us hope that it can be resolved peacefully. But if the current government wont yield on recounts, who are we to tell the Mexicans that the fight is not worth it because "someone could get hurt".

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Tue Jul 25th, 2006 at 08:39:25 AM EST
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I agree in principle, but take a look at the Mexican electoral process. After previous problems they set up a pretty good system that supposedly met all the goals: independent officials, trained polling station operators, open to international observers, etc. Their system was advertized as being one of the best.

Now the results come in and they are very close and the losers are demanding a recount. But how will the recount be impervious to manipulation? What voting system can provide perfect results?

In my opinion, none. Even in small New England towns where the entire voting community meets in a single hall to vote on local issues, there are problems counting the votes. It's simply not possible to have a perfect system from a technical viewpoint, so there must be some political or social safety valve that comes into operation when the voting system gives unclear results.

In the U.S., the party that appears to have lost concedes. (Two big obvious recent examples are on display.) That seems to be perceived as a better solution than having a revolution...

by asdf on Tue Jul 25th, 2006 at 08:49:47 AM EST
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What ruling party? The Pri controls a number of states, the Pan a few and even Oberidor's party a couple. The Mexican Congress is controlled by the Pri, and they dislike the Pan more than they dislike Oberidor.

The states pretty much control the election process.

by messy on Tue Jul 25th, 2006 at 09:24:18 AM EST
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Accordign to a report form el Pais, calderon indicated inan interview that he has no problemin counting all votes. He said that it was the best way to guarantee a clear and transparent system given the close result.

The only question is, is counting all votes really counting all votes? I mean, are the paper ballots kept without tampering? and in any case, how does affect counting ballots teh possibility of some extra votes (more votes than people?).

I am wondering what is really going on in these two issues.

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by kcurie on Mon Jul 24th, 2006 at 03:29:59 PM EST
I think this is too important an issue to let sllde away without notice....and good catch...

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by whataboutbob on Tue Jul 25th, 2006 at 06:51:01 AM EST
I'd really like to see
a series of informative meetings>
like this in The United States Capitol.  If we'd had a meeting like this in 2000 I'd be a lot more happy with my country now.  Good for the Mexicans.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson
by NearlyNormal on Tue Jul 25th, 2006 at 07:27:45 PM EST


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