Ireland calls in Israeli Ambassador

by Colman
Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 07:43:53 AM EST

I'd forgotten we still had a few troops deployed with Unifil:

The Minister for Foreign Affairs Dermot Ahern today summoned the Israeli ambassador to his department to convey the Government's shock and anger at yesterday's attack on a UN post in southern Lebanon.

Dermot Ahern will also seek assurances at the face-to-face meeting about the safety of Irish UN soldiers and other UN troops in the area.

Mr Ahern's spokesman said: "The minister is calling in the Israeli ambassador to his Iveagh House department at lunchtime to express the Government's shock and anger at yesterday's bombardment of an UN position which killed four international peacekeepers.(Ireland.com)

How are other countries taking it? What's the tenor of coverage across Europe? I understand the Chinese aren't very pleased.


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This'll do as a Middle East open thread as well.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 07:53:34 AM EST
Kofi Annan is not happy...

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 08:30:49 AM EST
I forgot to add this...apparently Annan is particularly mad because the Israeli's knew exactly where the UN was stationed. This was no mistake. So then the question is, why attack UN peacekeepers?

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 08:32:09 AM EST
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From today's 6:30 am Juan Cole post:

The Israelis denied that they hit the base deliberately, but Kofi would know. Why do it? When you have in mind war crimes, it is better not to have neutral observers in the region...


"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 08:34:45 AM EST
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When you have in mind war crimes, it is better not to have neutral observers in the region...

From the official report of the USS Liberty incident details;-


On June 8, 1967 while patrolling in international waters[2] in the Eastern Mediterranean Sea, USS Liberty (AGTR-5) was savagely attacked without warning or justification by air and naval forces of the state of Israel.[3]

Of a crew of 294 officers and men[4] (including three civilians)[5], the ship suffered thirty four (34) killed in action and one hundred seventy three (173) wounded in action.[6] The ship itself, a Forty Million ($40,000,000) Dollar state of the art signals intelligence (SIGINT) platform, was so badly damaged that it never sailed on an operational mission again and was sold in 1970 as scrap[7] .

As the Guardian noted;-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,533783,00.html

As the Liberty sat within eyeshot of El Arish, eavesdropping on surrounding communications, Israeli soldiers turned the town into a slaughterhouse, systematically butchering their prisoners. An eyewitness recounted how in the shadow of the El Arish mosque, they lined up about 60 unarmed Egyptian prisoners, hands tied behind their backs, and then opened fire with machine guns until the pale desert sand turned red.

This and other war crimes were just some of the secrets Israel had sought to conceal since the start of the conflict. An essential element in the Israeli battle plan seemed to have been to hide much of the war behind a carefully constructed curtain of lies: lies about the Egyptian threat, lies about who started the war, lies to the US president, lies to the UN Security Council, lies to the press, lies to the public

so they have form and they're not squeamish about who they hit either.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 09:26:13 AM EST
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To keep them from being able to transmit operational and other intelligence regarding Israeli military activities.  

That is not to say that's what they were doing, of course.

Madness takes its toll. Have exact change ready

by ATinNM on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 08:39:12 AM EST
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this link gives you the daily report from the UNIFIL station the day it got hit:

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/pr09.pdf

it's a pdf so I can't do a cut and paste but the UNIFIL was involved in many close calls with the IDF and one with Hezbollah.

they also were involved with helping civilians leave the area, bringing in humanitarian aid, and FIXING THE ROADS.  Maybe that is why they got shot at.

by manon (m@gmail.com) on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 09:10:13 AM EST
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Israel troops 'ignored' UN plea

Israel had hit Khiam a number of times earlier on Tuesday

UN peacekeepers in south Lebanon contacted Israeli troops 10 times before an Israeli bomb killed four of them, an initial UN report says.

The post was hit by a precision-guided missile after six hours of shelling, diplomats familiar with the probe say.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5217176.stm

by manon (m@gmail.com) on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 10:24:48 AM EST
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because israel does not a UN peace force, but a NATO peace force.
My suggestion to a demilitarised zone (DMZ) in the Lebanese-Israeli border is very simply: the extent of the DMZ would have to be the same in the israeli and the lebanese sides of the border. As King Soloman would suggest.
by findmeaDoorIntoSummer on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 12:02:07 PM EST
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Jerusalem Post:

UN: Precision missiles hit UNTSO post

UN military personnel on the ground along the Israel-Lebanon border say the munitions that hit the United Nations Truce Supervision Organization (UNTSO) position early Wednesday were precision-guided, a UN source told The Jerusalem Post on Thursday. [sic]

Furthermore, the source added, the strike came after repeated requests by UNTSO commanders to the IDF not to strike that specific position.
The IDF spokesman told The Jerusalem Post that the army was looking into the allegations and that it deeply regretted the "tragic death" of the UN personnel.

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"Very senior and experienced military personnel report that the UN position was hit by a precision-guided missile. This attack comes at a time when the international community is in discussions with countries about donating troops to form a new force [to send to south Lebanon]. This attack plays very badly into that. At the same time as donor countries have to justify to their electorate the idea of sending their sons to this region to put their lives on the line, Israel blows up a UN observation position and kills four of its personnel," the source said, adding that Israel was "shooting itself in the foot, and sending a very bad signal" to the international community.

From a Reuters wire I quoted in the Breakfast this morning, here is what Kofi Annan said:

"(This) attack on a long established and clearly marked U.N. post at Khiam occurred despite personal assurances given to me by (Israeli) Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that U.N. positions would be spared Israeli fire," Annan said in a statement.


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 08:41:08 AM EST
I think anyone who might be tempted to contribute forces to an "International force" might be well advised to think about this and both the Hizbollah and Israeli records with Unifil.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 08:50:23 AM EST
However, Haaretz speaks of the intervention force as a done deal:

Proposed multinational force won't disarm Hezbollah of its rockets

The role of the international force that will be sent to Lebanon following a cease-fire will be to assist the Lebanese army to deploy in the south, ensure that Hezbollah does not rebuild its positions there and ensure that quiet is maintained along the Israeli-Lebanese border, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Prime Minister Ehud Olmert agreed yesterday.

However, government sources said, this force will not be responsible for disarming Hezbollah nor will it be stationed at the border crossings between Lebanon and Syria in order to halt the flow of weapons from Syria to Hezbollah.

Israel has thereby in effect conceded its initial demands that any cease-fire deal include stripping Hezbollah of its rockets and ensuring that it is not rearmed.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 08:56:19 AM EST
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U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Prime Minister Ehud Olmert agreed yesterday.

They clearly still have to sell it to the UN.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 09:00:41 AM EST
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Interesting, though, that Rice is said to have agreed and got down to definitions.

And Israel, we are told, has "conceded" a point. Magnanimous.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 09:07:04 AM EST
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Associated Press:

ROME (AP) -- U.S., European and Arab officials holding crisis talks on Lebanon failed to agree Wednesday on details for a cease-fire to end the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah guerrillas.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the United States favored urgently ending the fighting but said there cannot be a return to a "status quo" of political uncertainty and instability in Lebanon.

U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said the solution to the Mideast crisis should involve Iran and Syria. He also called for the formation of a multinational force to help Lebanon assert its authority and implement U.N. resolutions that would disarm Hezbollah.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 09:44:58 AM EST
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One argument might be that by doing this, the International peacekeeping force might be delayed by a couple more days whilst the appropriate reasurances are checked over. giving them a couple more days to  pound Hezbollah

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 10:01:05 AM EST
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God i'm cynical somedays

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 01:16:31 PM EST
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I also flagged this AP wire this morning:

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) -- About 50 Israeli tanks moved back into northern Gaza early Wednesday and five Palestinians were killed in airstrikes as Israel pressed ahead with its nearly month-long Gaza offensive.

Israeli aircraft carried out at least three airstrikes as the troops moved in, killing five people and wounding 15, hospital officials said. Two of the five dead were militants, but the other three were not immediately identified, they said.

The Israeli military said forces were operating in northern Gaza as part of a campaign to stop terrorism and rocket barrages at Israel. The military said aircraft targeted three groups of militants who were approaching the troops. Exchanges of fire between the two sides were reported through the night.

A number of Israeli tanks and bulldozers also crossed into southern Gaza near Khan Younis on Tuesday, witnesses said.

Here's an update from AFP:


12 Palestinians killed as Israel pounds Gaza

GAZA CITY: Twelve Palestinians, including a toddler, were killed on Wednesday as Israel pounded Gaza with air strikes and spearheaded a fresh incursion, one day after president Mahmud Abbas demanded a ceasefire.

Nearly 130 Palestinians have now been killed in Israel's offensive in Gaza, increasingly sidelined as the world focuses on a deadlier conflict in Lebanon but waged in order to recover a captured soldier and stop rocket attacks.

As world diplomats opened a conference in Rome seeking to halt the bloodshed between Israel and the Shiite militant group Hezbollah, 12 Palestinians were killed in multiple Israeli attacks in eastern Gaza City, medics said.

At least six of the dead were named militants, including four from the armed wing of the governing Hamas movement, one of the three hardline groups to claim responsibility for the June 25 raid in which Corporal Gilad Shalit was seized.  

<...>

Gunfire erupted on the ground as Israel stepped up its nearly five-week offensive after a relative lull that has nonetheless put soldiers back in impoverished Gaza less than 10 months after they ended a 38-year presence.

Security sources reported heavy exchanges of fire as Israeli troops thrust about two kilometres (just over a mile) from the border with Israel.  

Apart from six named militants, a three-year-old girl, a male resident and a 17-year-old boy were among the dead, medics said.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 08:52:31 AM EST
so the Israelis take out their frustration at Hezbollah on Gaza
by manon (m@gmail.com) on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 09:07:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The context is what kcurie posted yesterday (and what no Western media outlet will have the mind to connect):

Palestinian groups agree deal for return of Israeli

Palestinian factions, including Hamas and Islamic Jihad, have agreed to stop firing rockets at Israel and to free a captured Israeli soldier in a deal brokered by Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president.

The deal, agreed on Sunday, is to halt the rocket attacks in return for a cessation of Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip, and to release Corporal Gilad Shalit, the Israeli soldier captured on June 25, in exchange for the freeing of Palestinian prisoners at some point in the future.

An adviser to Mr Abbas told the Guardian that all Palestinian politicians were united on the need to free the Israeli soldier and stop all violence in Gaza, but the obstacles were the Israeli government and the Hamas leadership in Damascus.



*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 09:12:00 AM EST
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I did see it mentioned in one of the stories about the tanks moving into Gaza this morning, but now I can't find which one.

It was a passing reference, something like: "tanks moved in, in spite of Abbas's peace proposal".

Otherwise, it seems to be being ignored. Abbas is regarded as a nobody. If Israel sincerely wants a responsible Palestinian interlocutor, why don't they pick up on this proposal? Ignoring it only serves to terminally weaken Abbas's position.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 09:58:02 AM EST
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Lebanon detains 36 suspected of spying for Israel

By Reuters

Lebanese security forces have rounded up at least 36 people suspected of spying for Israeli intelligence amidst a two-week old conflict between Hezbollah and Israel, security sources said on Wednesday.

With the help of Hezbollah, security forces detained the informants, many of them former members of a now defunct pro-Israeli militia, in the eastern Bekaa Valley and the south, which have seen heavy Israeli bombardment, they said.

Some of the former members of Israel's South Lebanon Army proxy, which collapsed when Israel Defense Forces troops withdrew from southern Lebanon in 2000, had served jail sentences for working with an enemy state but had resumed their contacts with Israel after their release, the sources said.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/743148.html

by manon (m@gmail.com) on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 10:15:02 AM EST
I really hope this does not mean the civil war is starting again....

The world will end not with a Bang, but with a "do'oh"
by love and death on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 10:43:13 AM EST
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I noted before that someone - Angry Arab perhaps? - had reported that an SLA radio station had started broadcasting again.

Doesn't look good.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 10:49:39 AM EST
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Al-Arabiya, a Dubai-based satellite TV channel, said 14 Israeli soldiers had been killed. Hezbollah's chief spokesman Hussein Rahhal said of the battle: ''What I can tell you is that 13 Israelis have been burned alive in their tanks on our land.''

If confirmed, it would be the largest death toll suffered by the Israeli military in a single attack since the offensive began two weeks ago.

The Israeli military said there were 20 Israeli casualties, but it would not say if any soldiers had been killed.

Israeli TV reported 13 casualties, but was not more specific. Israel Radio said ''at least 10 Israeli soldiers had been hit'' in heavy fighting against 200 Hezbollah guerrillas in the town. The radio did not specify if any Israelis were killed.

The Israeli army said several Hezbollah fighters had taken cover in a local mosque.

A senior Hezbollah official, Mahmoud Komati, told The Associated Press that Israeli forces had managed to seize a few points inside Bint Jbail, but had not yet taken the town center.

Hezbollah said ''violent confrontations'' were taking place between its fighters and Israeli forces attempting to advance toward a hospital in Bint Jbail.

Fighting also has been heavy for days around the border towns of Aitaroun and Maroun al-Ras, where Israeli forces are trying to eliminate the guerrillas who have been firing rockets into Israel. The area controls the high ground in the central sector of the Lebanese-Israeli border.

www.nytimes.com

by manon (m@gmail.com) on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 10:37:42 AM EST
Can someone find sources on this (from Anrgy Arab):

Since 2000, Hizbullah violated the Blue Line on the Israeli-Lebanese border 100 times, while Israeli violated that line 11,782 times. (These numbers are based on UN observers and were cited by Lebanese Speaker of Parliament in his interview with Al-Arabiya TV).


*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 11:18:43 AM EST
Surprise, surprise! The Rome conference failed to agree on anything. However, anonymous US sources say that the conference was not a failure. Certainly not since the stalemate buys Israel more time.
by Richard Lyon (rllyon@gmail.com) on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 01:18:51 PM EST
Dissent grows in Israel over Lebanon
Olmert's government faces a barrage of criticism over its handling of the war, reports Ian Black from Jerusalem. [Guardian Unlimited World Latest]
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 at 03:49:13 PM EST
One might conclude that the Israeli government's thinking is "Well, so what's the UN going to do about it? Issue a 'strong condemnation' press release like they do when Hezbollah shoots rockets at us?"

Perhaps it's a message about the need for future peacekeeping missions to actually have the charter and willingness to do something other than just sit around and watch.

The film "No Man's Land" is a commentary on this topic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Man's_Land_(film)

by asdf on Thu Jul 27th, 2006 at 10:03:31 AM EST
Including the ability to "do something about it" when Israeli and their proxies start shooting things I assume?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 27th, 2006 at 10:13:11 AM EST
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Israel knows the US will veto anything along those lines, and the arabs know it too, which is why they don't trust the UN either, and the Europeans know it which is why they don't want to send troops.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 27th, 2006 at 10:25:00 AM EST
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