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(Expletive deleted) Market hypocrites

by Jerome a Paris
Thu Aug 31st, 2006 at 04:55:52 AM EST

Les députés réduisent la facture d'électricité pour les PME (Le Moniteur)

MPs reduce the electricity bill of SMEs

La commission des Affaires économiques de l'assemblée nationale a adopté, dans la nuit de mardi à mercredi, deux amendements permettant aux entreprises françaises ayant choisi les prix du marché libre de l'électricité de bénéficier durant deux ans de tarifs protégés.

Ce système est destiné à aider les PME qui ont opté pour le prix du marché mais qui, avec l'envolée des prix de l'électricité, ont vu leurs factures augmenter de 60 à 80%.

The Economics Affairs Committee of the French Parliament approved 2 amendments which allow French companies that have previously switched to market electricity prices to be able to switch back for 2 years to regulated tariffs. This is meant to help SMEs who chose market prices but have seen their electricity bills go up by 60 to 80%

So market prices are good when they go down, but bad when they go up? Under what interpretation of Adam Smith or Hayek or Thatcher?

I did not hear the companies that switched to (then lower) market prices a couple years ago offering to pay part of their gains to EDF then. Now that they find out that their choice was a bad one, they come crying back to mama to get help. And they are taken seriously?

Spineless hypocrites all.

(More ranting below)


Les entreprises souhaitant bénéficier de ce "tarif réglementé" pourront en faire la demande jusqu'au 30 juin 2007. Ce tarif spécifique sera établi par le ministère de l'Industrie et ne pourra être supérieur de 30% au tarif réglementé actuel. La compensation pour les fournisseurs sera financée par les gros producteurs d'électricité français, en l'occurrence EDF et Suez.

Companies can make the request to benefit from that new tariff until 30 June 2007. The tariff will be set by the Industry Ministry and can be no higher then 130% of the current regulated tariff. The price difference will be borne by large electricity producers, i.e. EDF and Suez.

The article notes that this should cost EDF about 400 million euros.

It's not in this article, but I've seen them use elsewhere the argument that since EDF has cheap electricity thanks to its nuclear power plants, French companies should not be penalised by the higher market prices for electricity, and for "competitivity reasons", should benefit from EDF's low production costs. There has been a lot a whining, and campaigning by the corporate world to get back to the regulated tariff.

Of course, this ignores many things:

  • the basic point that they knew when they switched to market prices 2 years ago that it was an irreversible choice (they were allowed to remain with EDF's regulated tariff, but if they chose to switch, naturally, they could not come back);

  • the market price for electricity is not the average cost of production, or the cost of production of the main producer, it is the marginal price of the last kWh needed to balance the market, i.e. the most expensive. Most of the time, it is the price of a gas-fired plant. When power plants were plentiful, and gas was cheap, that price was very low, and indeed lower than EDF's regulated tariff. Now that gas has gone up, and that spare capacity is not so plentiful, that marginal cost has increased massively. It does not matter that EDF's cost base has not budged. Market prices has gone through the roof, and the difference belongs to EDF, and its shareholders, which now include others beyond the French State, as per the desires of market advocates. What the SMEs are doing is State-assisted theft of others' property.

  • I have no words for the blantant hypocrisy of these people. All they want are lower prices. There's no ideology, no long term thought, no consistency, no honor, just a "me, me, me , now, now , now" philosophy.

  • I have even less respect for the politicians that pander to these people instead of telling them clearly to go fuck off as they deserve. How can they even consider these requests seriously for a second, let alone grant them?

    (Insert more expletives here. I'm foaming at the mouth already).

    Thus we end up with the worst of all worlds. Liberalsied electricity markets, with less public intervention that I think desirable, and yet subsidised prices for corporations. Un-fuckin-believable. (And yet all too believable)

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So can the EDF shareholders sue the state for the difference?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 31st, 2006 at 05:01:55 AM EST
In this case I certainly hope they do.

EDF is keeping its head down on this one and is ready to swallow the difference, because they know a political loser when they see one.

As everywhere, people hate higher energy prices. The next few years should be fun for politicians...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Aug 31st, 2006 at 05:21:38 AM EST
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This boiled up today in Sweden too. The insane electricity prices (due to the oligopolic deregulation, highest in Europe! This is fucking Sweden 50 % hydro and 50 % nuclear!) has brought hypermodern Rottneros pulp mill to it's knees and it will now relocate, probably to Latvia. 150 jobs will be lost in an area already plagued by high unemployment.

And glory of glories, just the day before the socialist pm was on TV saying the power market is wonderful and high electricity prices are a good thing! Elections are in 2 weeks and the awful socialist will hopefully be thrown out. Reregulation by a centre-right government is not unthinkable in this absurd country.

The industry, which ten years ago pushed deregulation very strongly and initially had dirt cheap electricity (0,01 euro per kWh) is screaming for reregulation.

But the government is not offering that. They are instead hinting at special treatment for Rottneros, that is subisized electricity from the state utility Vattenfall.

This so fucking absurd! Reregulate!

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Aug 31st, 2006 at 06:15:50 AM EST
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Some Swedish news in english. I can't find anything about the pulp factory closure though.

Persson slammed over jobs by colleague

Power companies accused of price fixing

ABB to upgrade Swedish nuclear facility

Industry demands electricity price rules

Bonuses rocket at Vattenfall

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Aug 31st, 2006 at 06:40:41 AM EST
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Are these the culprits?



Jean-Claude Lenoir
Membre de la commission des affaires économiques



Thierry Breton
Ministre de l'Économie, des finances et de l'industrie



François Loos
Ministre délégué à l'industrie


Out of the Dark Age came the most magnificent thing we have in our society: the recognition that people can have a society without having a state.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Thu Aug 31st, 2006 at 06:09:03 AM EST
To the stocks! Ripe tomatoes! Rotten eggs!

(expletive deleted)ers!

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 31st, 2006 at 06:20:42 AM EST
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I figured Jerome could print out the pictures and put them on his dartboard.

Out of the Dark Age came the most magnificent thing we have in our society: the recognition that people can have a society without having a state.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Thu Aug 31st, 2006 at 06:51:59 AM EST
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If you feel stressed about french people, use the fabulous compteur de claques.
by Laurent GUERBY on Thu Aug 31st, 2006 at 06:57:49 AM EST
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Oooh, that was nice! I did Donnedieu de Vabres, Sarkozy, Philippe de Villiers, Pascal Nègre, et Benoît XVI.

Slap smack claque!

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 31st, 2006 at 10:17:43 AM EST
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And after one week, you have five brand new "claques" !
by Laurent GUERBY on Thu Aug 31st, 2006 at 12:01:45 PM EST
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Thanks. Fascinating for so many reasons.

In 2' I get a glimpse of the VIP in France at the moment. I realized I lost contact, a good chunck were totally unknown to me, tipically the "starlettes" and reality show crowd.

You can see the international really famous in France: only few head of states, Bush, Merkel, Bin Laden, Cheney and rumsfeld (more smacks than Blair, is there more american democrat than english citizen reading french blog?), Berlusconi.
Plus some sportsmen Alonso and materazzi, Armstrong. Added with the hollywood (tom cruise, Arnie), Show-Bizz wins! We politic freaks are a minority.

I was surprised how many of the new faces in the Show-bizz have immigrant origines, it changed very fast in the last 5+ years.

The visitors are quite diverse: LePen (the classic MSM booh-man) get about the same magnitude of smacks this week as the secretaire général of the MRAP(anti-racism activist and wannabe politician).

La répartie est dans l'escalier. Elle revient de suite.

by lacordaire on Thu Aug 31st, 2006 at 02:23:56 PM EST
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You're welcome.

I must admit that since I don't watch TV and don't listen to the radio and music, I'm a bit off also :).

by Laurent GUERBY on Thu Aug 31st, 2006 at 04:58:09 PM EST
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To the stocks! Ripe tomatoes!

You'd waste good tomatoes on them?

Improvised I got too many tomatoes at the farmers market and need to eat them fast salad

Heirloom tomato plus cherry tomatoes, all cut up into little and medium pieces. Drop in bowl. Add a tiny bit of minced rosemary. Add salt and pepper. Add small chunks of leftover bread. Toss. Add remnants of some fresh Greek sheep's cheese, add olive oil, add half a sliced onion toss.  Take some good bacon, cut off a small slice, cut into little pieces, fry with garlic, onion, and good fresh hot pepper. Dump in salad. Toss some more. Realize you've got a bit of avocado about to go bad - you know what to do.  Then leave in fridge for an hour to chill and then eat.

by MarekNYC on Thu Aug 31st, 2006 at 03:46:54 PM EST
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Bah.  You Yankees and your fancy food.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Aug 31st, 2006 at 03:58:46 PM EST
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Nice recipe! This time of year we have heaps of tomatoes, and before we can eat them or make sauce with them for the winter months, some of them go off, exhaling a nasty smell.

I was thinking of pitching some of those at these men in the stocks.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 31st, 2006 at 03:59:48 PM EST
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This has to become ammunition , with Starvid's Swedish example, against deregulation and the claims of the free marketeers. We should work it into the Energy Green Paper Consultation.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 31st, 2006 at 06:25:06 AM EST
Well, it's not an argument against deregulation per se, but it's an argument about politicians' inability to actually deregulate (and that distinction iwll surely be made by the Economist and the like)

So the wider point is that all experiences show that deregulation, in practice, fails, because politicians fuck it up even more than they fuck up regulated systems run by engineers.

And the lesson of this is that engineers try to take advantage of politicians less than financiers (and I'm comfortable saying this, being both).

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Aug 31st, 2006 at 07:31:15 AM EST
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I think it's fair to bring the entrepreneurs in along with the pols. Those who chose dereg prices, undoubtedly did so, if not in support of ideology (though that's possible in some cases), surely as a bet on winning out big time -- in other words, they had drunk the Koolaid. Now they whine because markets don't always work as they expected.

Would the pols be hastening to offer them this costly (for EDF) way out if the businessfolk concerned weren't lobbying?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 31st, 2006 at 10:10:28 AM EST
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But business is always lobbying. The question is, why do we listen to them so much?

Because they provide jobs? Local taxes?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Aug 31st, 2006 at 10:32:29 AM EST
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