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War of the Narratives - Two Venezuelan documentaries

by Trond Ove
Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 10:10:35 AM EST

By critics of president Chavez of Venezuela, the leftist "infatuation" with the man is often turned into an example of the romanticed revolutionary ideal we are supposed to still harbour, as well as a sinister reminder of our willingness to accept totaliarism, often involving veiled or not-so-veiled references to supposed leftist support for everyone from Stalin and Mao to Pol Pot.


Based on the mainstream media narrative of the Venezuelan political situation, this is not very surprising. After all, this is what one is being told by the gatekeepers of foreign correspondence news, such as well-paid foreign correspondends in Caracas, the major US newspapers and global news agencies.

The Irish documentary "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" has turned into somewhat of a leftist answer to this critism, questioning how the media is used as a tool of power and control in a society. To my surprise I discovered that the film was posted on Google video.

It is a beautiful and expressive piece of political documentary:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5832390545689805144&q

Naturally, the Venezuelan middle- and upper class is rather irritated by the picture that is painted of Venezuelan society and their allegedly pampered and racist life style. In a move I applaud whoever responsible for, they have made a counter-documentary, discussing the ways in which TRWNBT in their view was wrong, misleading, manipulative, etc:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3378761249364089950&q

More than the original documentary (which was deliberately provocative), I think the response really gives an insight into middle class Venezuelan attitudes. If you have time to see it, I ask you to not only evaluate what they are saying and how they are saying it (both in content of critism but also how they have chosen to present it), but also what they are NOT arguing against.

What I hope to stimulate here is not so much another debate on the pros and cons of Chavez, as a debate on how media and art are used to shape perceptions and attitudes.

I am not going to critise specific of the two films beforehand except on one point: The second documentary seems to misunderstand the nature of the documentary genre (whether deliberately or not, I do not know.) A documentary is not an academic work, neither is it an extended news sequence. It does not neccessarily aim for an as objective as possible depiction of factual chronology or of specific events. The Wikipedia article on documentaries should give a quick overview of different documentary styles and periods.

Both documentaries last about 1 hour and 20 minutes by the way.

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Thanks!

Can't wait to see them.

"C'est un scandale !"

by redstar on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 11:24:10 AM EST
We will watch both as soon as possible, and comment. Thank you very much for this wonderful find.

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 01:34:11 PM EST
"The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" was already commented in in this diary by Ritter.

Now trying to find some time to see the other one....

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)

by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 02:43:17 PM EST
Thanks for the links.  I'm gonnae watch 'em over the weekend.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 04:57:44 PM EST
(I'll have a comment in a couple of days.  Seriously.  Great subject.)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 04:59:20 PM EST
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Okay...here we go...

I watched them in the order you posted them...and that makes a difference...or perhaps it doesn't.

The glaring holes in the second documentary were glaring because of how they minutely--yet sometimes bizzarely (in my opinion)--analysed the first.

So thanks again for posting them.  I like the idea of longer video format via the internet.  I found the time to watch (two hours out of my weekend) and it was worth it.  Thoroughly recommended (though I realised early in that I'd seen the first doc. before, on the BBC--still, it was well worth a re-watch.)

So...

What I hope to stimulate here is not so much another debate on the pros and cons of Chavez, as a debate on how media and art are used to shape perceptions and attitudes.

What I felt was that the second one was an attempt at a deconstructionist analysis but without quite understanding the role of deconstruction.  They accused the first video (= the makers) of deliberate falsifications, sins of ommission etc., without seeing that their video, too, could and would be deconstructed in a similar manner.  (No mention in the second of the next-day television segment where some people explained how the coup was set up, etc...)

So, it felt sorta like the powerful suddenly feeling beaten by those annoying arts graduates--being ripped off!  They lied, the bastards!  Without quite seeing that the first film was about exposing lies and structures--and telling a historical narrative, a strange kind of serendipitous moment, the camera crew in the palace as the coup develops...

And I suppose art trumps truth in some ways...so beware of propaganda with good artists...

One of the elements of the second doc. was about how people far away, who had no local knowledge, would make certain assumptions based on the images they saw...ach...

It'd be interesting (honestly!) to see yet another film, a witty film about, say, the dispute over the bridge...the example with the torch but no comment about how the various shots of the bridge changed perspective so shadows grew or shrank...and then a huge blue arrow appears and sweeps across the screen...yet the points about the street having had protestors...and who did do the shooting?  I suppose it could go on and on.  Maybe the key is the...wit?...of the makers.  Someone no doubt famously said that women ask for AGSOH (A good sense of humour) in their Singles Ads because AGSOH shows quick-wittedness, which shows intelligence (the ability to think on one's feet.)  Maybe audiences pick up on that?

But in an interesting way, the second video wasn't wrong, so much as an early tentative struggling to come to terms...  I can imagine some of the young kids coming out of that auditorium (there were lots of pics of serious--and attractive (well, sez me ;)--young women taking notes, looking pensive...  Well, I can imagine one of them, Manuela, coming out, having had a realisation:

"They're making this shit up!"

Then looking at all the adverts outside...then seeing the ads on the bus...then the ads on the TV...then the programmes...

Ach, Trond Ove, I'm not helping the analysis, but I wanted to do two things by posting (if I wrote anything interesting, that would be a third thing):

1) Thank you again.  So thanks.

and

2) Point out (for anybody reading this) that Tond Ove's diary has almost dropped off the Recent Diaries list and, unless anyone catches this reply in Recent Comments, then... the kind of time spans needed for hour plus video diaries...are not currently supported by the ET setup.  Just an observation, no judgement.  It takes three or so days to get through a couple of hour-long videos...but I very much enjoyed watching them and I would enjoy reading other people's (much more interesting and erudite) analysis.

And finally....just in case...well...just for the record (so to speak.)



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Tue Jan 16th, 2007 at 07:05:26 AM EST
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Well, this comment could easily have been a diary following on from the previous one, which is probably the appropriate way of dealing with the problem until it becomes a common one that requires some other solution.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 16th, 2007 at 07:09:45 AM EST
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I didn't think of the comment as diary standard, and anyone else who picked up on the docs second time round would have to watch them...another three days....

(I wouldn't like to clutter up the Recent Diaries list...thoughts for the future, sorta like when youtube links started up...)

(btw, I do hope it becomes a common problem.  TV is so...deadly these days (21:00-22:30 is the Time of Death!)

(20:00 - 21:00 is the Time of Remedial Education!  With regular appeareances by fluffy animals!)

(Re: Watching the videos--which I highly recommend--both of 'em, for the juxtaposition that Trond Ove pointed to...My experience was...I wasn't used to just...sitting there for 1+ hours...staring at the same thing on my computer screen...even though each video was interesting.  So I like the idea of more extended expression via the internet, sorta like, to link this back to ET diaries (as an off-shoot, perhaps of Kos diaries), where a good diary plus extended long and interesting comments can take over an hour to read...)

(But yours is a good point.  Taken.)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Tue Jan 16th, 2007 at 07:38:55 AM EST
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Hehe... This didn't really turn into a big discussion. All I can say is that you have captured exactly what I was thinking when seeing the films in sequence. (For the record, I had seen the first one before too. It is very much worth the time to see again. I doubt anyone is reading this thread now thought.)
by Trond Ove on Wed Jan 17th, 2007 at 10:59:10 AM EST
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