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Segregated Roma School

by deviousdiva
Thu Jan 4th, 2007 at 07:12:00 AM EST

Cross-posted from THIS IS NOT MY COUNTRY

The new year has begun and the holidays will be over far to quickly and our thoughts will be turning towards the new school term starting on Monday. I want to tell you about one particular school that I visited a few weeks ago. It is in Aspropyrgos, about 20 km from the centre of Athens. We were greeted at the gate by a well co-ordinated and enthusiastic welcoming committee of smiling children and teachers. On the surface this was no different to any other primary school. A playground, (unusual only in that it was spotless!) and three small prefab buildings.

But this school IS different. It is a segregated school for Roma children. After the furious protests from parents and teachers at the main school in town against Roma children enrolling at the school, the local municipality, in all its infinite wisdom, built this place exclusively for them. Now the mayor and his henchmen can sit back and say that they have done something positive for the Roma community in the area and everyone is happy. Right ? (More below)

From the diaries -- whataboutbob


Wrong. There are so many things wrong with this segregated school idea that I was unsure how to even begin writing this post. It is pretty sickening to think that the racism that led to this situation has gone completely unchallenged. The parents at the main school have won their battle to rid their community of large numbers of Roma children and have been helped to achieve it by the authorities. Yet again, it is the victims of that racism who are affected. They are sent to this "special" school where the teaching hours are woefully short, 8am until 12.30pm. The teachers, through no fault of their own, are there for a year at best and are then moved somewhere else. As there are only three rooms, children of different ages are taught in the same classroom.

There are 50 children enrolled there but most of the time attendance hovers at around 50%. As one of the teachers there pointed out, it is not their job to find out why a child is absent for three days or more. If my son is absent for three days the teacher calls me to find out why. This is impossible to do when most of the families here have no telephone. They simply do not have the means to check up on them and there are no social workers to cover the school. So the children just don't turn up or appear sporadically and that's the end of it. I covered many of the reasons why Roma children have a harder time staying in school once they are enrolled in this post.

Children are enrolled at the age of six into primary education here in Greece. There is NO reason why all children starting school for the first time shouldn't be able to go to the same school. Instead these Roma kids are separated off, for racist reasons, to a school that has two or three grades in the same room. After spending their first years here, there is little chance that they will be able to go to the main school. The teacher told us that some of them are ready and could move on but only if they are accepted there. Language is a primary reason. There is no training in Greece for teaching Greek as a second language. So Roma children are at a disadvantage to begin with. Add that to the lack of teaching hours, the lack of continuity of teachers, the unwillingness to tackle the racism of the teachers and parents at the main school and it all adds up to a big mess. No wonder the drop out rate is so high with very few Roma children moving on to secondary education (even though it is compulsory)

My conclusion to all this is to tear the place down and work on integrating the children into mainstream school. Train teachers and social workers to work on both sides (with the school and the Roma community) to develop a better attitude to educating ALL children. The children I met there were vibrant and enthusiastic about learning. They were excited to learn a few English words and called "Bye" to us as we left. Why is it so hard for people to see that they are like any other children? They want to have fun, they want to learn, they want to play basketball, they want to show off their art on the walls.

ALL children have potential and they ALL deserve a chance to reach it. It is up to us to find ways of helping them achieve, however hard it might be. They deserve better than to be pushed away into "ghetto" schools and then forgotten about. Another generation of Roma children growing up without the chance of a decent and full education, condemning them to a life with little hope of improving their situation. It is sad to see so much potential go to waste. To see those ready smiles and know that they will be gone soon. It makes me angry that we can treat our youngest and most vulnerable citizens in this way. And still call ourselves civilised. It's a disgrace.

[I will state again that this situation is NOT unique to Greece. I happened to have had the chance to see it up close in this country. Thank you to the Greek Helsinki Monitor for organising the visit and for all the tireless work that they are doing here for human rights, particularly on behalf of the Roma communities. The post on my latest visit to Votanikos will follow soon]

UPDATE: Thanks to the interest of fellow diarists Migeru and Stormy Present I am posting the following links for further reading.

Segregation of Romani children in special school in Central and Eastern Europe by ET writer qika PR

Monitoring Education for Roma from the Open Society Institute

UPDATE 2: Panayote Dimitras of the Greek Helsinki Monitor has confirmed that this school is illegal and that their lawyer, who was arrested while advocating the Roma access to the main school, is awaiting trial.

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See also: Segregation of Romani children in special school in Central and Eastern Europe by qika PR on April 21st, 2006

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 2nd, 2007 at 03:23:23 PM EST
it is not an easy task to educate the roma children, their way of life is barely compatible with the strict schedule ofr the educational system :
 -they are moving every few months/weeks
 -their parents are illiterate and very often are not extremely motivated to see their children educated, by fear that will lead them to leave the group.
 -they are not use to follow the  rules
 -and the very high rate of (very close :-( ) consanguinity induces an high rate of various level of mental disability.

thus, they are difficult to welcome within the normal school system.

France has put in place a "relatively" good system to adapt to this specific needs, with a mix of distance education, log books that follow what has been teach and dedicated teachers, and attendance at school/education is compulsory if parents want to receive the generous public allowances.Still the educational level is far lower than  the normal school pasth but tt has to be applaud since it is not often that the "Education national" adapts to the children needs.

by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Wed Jan 3rd, 2007 at 12:30:41 AM EST
While it is fair to say that educating Roma children is challenging, I would like to point out a couple of things. (I can only speak for what I have found here in Greece not other countries)

-the Roma families here are no longer nomadic. They are mostly settled in one place only moving in the summer months (when schools are closed) for seasonal work. Generally, the only mass movement happens because of evictions (often illegal ones)

-You are right to state that many of the parents are illiterate but many also see that education is a good thing. They do not want their children to suffer from attacks or abuse at school and that is often a reason for keeping them away. There does need to be a bigger commitment to get parents involved in the education of their children but that needs a greater effort on the authorities in the beginning at least.

-Perhaps they are not used to following these particular rules (although I disagree, many are fully integrated into Greek society) and are actually extremely respectful of authority figures like teachers and doctors. What it takes is a willingness to work together with the education authorities taking the lead in the first place. The teachers I spoke to were very positive about the children and their willingness to work so I don't believe that is where the problem is.

-I am not sure what you mean by your last point? Do you mean they marry close family members and have genetically induced mental problems? Where is your evidence for this ? I sincerely doubt this is true.

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by deviousdiva (thedeviousdiva@gmail.com) on Wed Jan 3rd, 2007 at 09:13:18 AM EST
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the situation is a bit particular in france since roma are still nomad here.

for the consanguinity it is a well known problem that come s with an unfortunate tradition of marriage between first cousin and the high occurence of some deviant (even for roma themselves as well)  behavior where the line between brother/father/uncle is not strict. There are very few studies on this matter like on any ohter roma health, you can go to medline and find some on medline (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&l ist_uids=16445146&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum), but my mother (Pr Ophtamologist) had to draw some genealogic trees for her roma patients and they are often frightening.

without talking about not having lot of beauty queen,consanguinity has quite a desastrous effect on the general healht of this population.

by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Thu Jan 4th, 2007 at 04:01:05 PM EST
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Thanks for this post, DD.

Coincidentally, I just stumbled on a report published last month by the Open Society Institute, called Monitoring Education for Roma.  (The link is to a summary; there are links at the bottom of the page to the .pdf versions of the report itself and a comparative data set.)

From the summary:

There is a fundamental lack of accurate information on Roma in Central, Eastern, and South Eastern Europe. The official census data that does exist in these countries consistently underestimates the size of the Roma population and provides inadequate information about Roma participation in all spheres of life.

This failure has far-reaching consequences: the lack of information renders policy and planning ineffective and makes it impossible to monitor changes. Inadequate data also perpetuates vast disparities in access to quality education. Inadequate information will continue to enable governments to evade responsibility for failing to create, fund, and implement effective programs for Roma integration. What is known for sure, however, is that only a tiny minority of Roma children ever complete school and the education to which they do have access is typically vastly inferior.

In response to this situation and in the interests of promoting education justice for Roma, the Open Society Institute presents here the best available data on Roma education in Central, Eastern, and South Eastern Europe. Collating information from 19 countries, Monitoring Education for Roma: A Statistical Baseline for Central, Eastern, and South Eastern Europe provides the clearest, most accurate image yet of Roma participation across a broad range of key education indicators, including enrollment and completion in primary, secondary, and tertiary education.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Wed Jan 3rd, 2007 at 08:02:10 AM EST
Thanks for the links, Migeru and the stormy present. Much appreciated. Would you mind if I added them to my post (here and on my blog) as an update?

The only thing necessary for the persistence of evil is for enough good people to do nothing
by deviousdiva (thedeviousdiva@gmail.com) on Wed Jan 3rd, 2007 at 09:15:57 AM EST
Go right ahead!  FYI -- After posting that comment, I was intrigued enough by the OSI research to keep poking around their web site, and I discovered that they have two longer-term Roma initiatives, one dealing with education and one with health.  There's some pretty interesting stuff there.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Wed Jan 3rd, 2007 at 09:33:59 AM EST
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It goes without saying.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 3rd, 2007 at 09:45:06 AM EST
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I think your writing on the Roma's has been excellent...and the topic of the Roma's treatment in Europe deserves continued press & discussion (imho), so frontpage it goes. Thank you again, DD!

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by whataboutbob on Thu Jan 4th, 2007 at 07:16:10 AM EST
I surely and completely second it...

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by kcurie on Thu Jan 4th, 2007 at 08:37:07 AM EST
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Thank you so much whataboutbob and kcurie for the very kind words and more importantly for putting this on the front page. So little is heard about the Roma experience. At the moment I am researching the possibility of finding someone who is actually Roma to write (at my place or here) about their personal experience, because unless people actually seek out material, we never hear their lives in their own words.

If anyone knows anyone I could contact, please let me know.

The only thing necessary for the persistence of evil is for enough good people to do nothing

by deviousdiva (thedeviousdiva@gmail.com) on Thu Jan 4th, 2007 at 10:00:56 AM EST
Devious Diva added this update on her own blog:

UPDATE: Panayote Dimitras of the Greek Helsinki Monitor has confirmed that this school is illegal and that their lawyer, who was arrested while advocating the Roma access to the main school, is awaiting trial.


*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Fri Jan 5th, 2007 at 05:51:23 PM EST
I was going to add it here and then got sidetracked by real life! Thanks for the reminder DoDo.

The only thing necessary for the persistence of evil is for enough good people to do nothing
by deviousdiva (thedeviousdiva@gmail.com) on Sat Jan 6th, 2007 at 08:41:48 AM EST
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I note that while to read of such ex-East-Bloc-style segregationism in an old EU-15 (what's more EU/EC-12, what's more EC-10) country was shocking enough for me, to arrest and try a human rights activist for a legal protest is something beyond my experience here, I never heard of a similar case.

This case should be publicised. You could tell Panayote Dimitras that even if ET is a small forum, we would like to read a summary/updates of the case from Greek Helsinki Monitor, and I would put it on the frontpage.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Sat Jan 6th, 2007 at 11:11:29 AM EST
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