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So, what are you reading?

by poemless Mon Oct 8th, 2007 at 06:25:53 PM EST

I really am working on a diary of substance, now that Russia's back in the news, pulling stunts.  But in the mean time, I thought I'd throw this up, figuratively and literally.   I'm always running out of things to read.  You'd think working amidst something like 8 million books, this couldn't happen.  But just as with knowledge, the more you have, the more you are aware of what you do not have...  

I'm hesitant to buy books.  I worked too long in bookstores and libraries to imagine paying full price for a book anything less than an insult.  Conversely, spending too much money on books has never seemed sinful to me.  If I end up a hobo, I'll be a well read one.  (I also extend this logic to chocolate and pastries.  If I am to starve to death, I want to go out with a bang.)

Here's what I am reading and planning on reading in the near future:

The End of Nature.  By Bill McKibben.

I did not know of Bill McKibben until Jerome began promoting Step It Up.  Then I began noticing his writings on places like AlterNet.  And then I found this book at the public library.  (I was going to get John Green's, but it's a kids book.  This is John Green.  Give until it hurts, people!  I mean, Americans!)

Anyway.  Bill McKibben writes like this:

"The buzzing, blooming, mysterious, cruel, lovely globe of mountain, sea, city, forest, of fish and wolf and bug and man; of carbon and hydrogen and nitrogen - it has come unbalanced in our short moment on it.  It's mostly us now.

And since it's mostly us, we better finally think about who the hell we are."

Preach it brother!

Also, I am reading:

The Sexual Life of Catherine M.  By Catherine Millet.

You know, I had high hopes for this book.  I really did.  Like, I'd actually learn something or come away with some sense of something unique and profound.  Some envelope pushed.  Some deep philosophical understanding of something or other.  Or at least some insight into how one can be both a notorious nymphomaniac and well-respected art critic.  (Only in France, I swear...)  Alas, disappointment.  It's just a lot of retelling.  Who knew that after 15 pages even detailed accounts of orgies could get boring?  Huh.

That doesn't mean I didn't keep reading, mind you...  

Also, I am reading:

Some magazines.  fashion, decor, Mother Jones...

I am awaiting:

Learning to Drive.  By Katha Pollitt.

I like Pollitt, who writes for the Nation, and I probably would have gotten around to reading this eventually, but the reviews!  The reviews!  Jesus Christ!  

I am looking for:

Our Word is Our Weapon. By Subcomandante Marcos.

Badass Zapatista Manifesto.

Ok. Your turn.


Display:
I have a book upstairs by El Subcommandante which I haven't read yet.

I'm currently reading:

In the Footsteps of Mr Kurtz, by Michela Wrong.  I'm also reading (with my ears and eyes) Earth Story, narrated by Aubrey Manning, which I can't recommend enough--I'm about to watch it for the third time.  I think of Nomad when I think of that series--and it connects to Congo because, for the first time, I begin to understand about the "mineral wealth" aspect of the country.

I've also started re-reading Bats Out of Hell, by Barry Hannah.  A lot of books these days, I get half way through and give up.  Very few get re-read.  This one--the language!  For anyone who enjoys writing and enjoys the possibilities of the freedom of the written word--it's excellent!

I've just finished Sweet Land Stories, by E.L. Doctorow.  Really great writing, very few commas and no " " quotes to be found.  Excellent sentence construction, Bach to Barry Hannah's ...er...more wildly romantic approach.

I also have just started Ragtime, again by E.L. Doctorow--intriguing.

All american writers, I note (not sure about Michela Wrong.)  

I've started Signor Marconi's Magic Box, by Gavin Weightman (who may be English), though I'm still getting caught up in...ya know...what is a wave?  What is an electromagnetic wave?  A three dimensional wave is a bubble expanding...

I need an equivalent of Aubrey Manning who can lay it out for me, piece by piece.

I have to say, though, that in the book Marconi has no idea how his device is functioning, so I'm hoping there'll be some step-by-steps in the book at a certain point.

And I watched (but there is a book) and enjoyed, and a friend thoroughly recommends Barbarians by Terry Jones.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Mon Oct 8th, 2007 at 07:00:13 PM EST
Terry Jones other book and series combo Medieval Lives is well worth reading or watching too.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Oct 8th, 2007 at 08:26:09 PM EST
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I've also started re-reading Bats Out of Hell, by Barry Hannah.  A lot of books these days, I get half way through and give up.  Very few get re-read.  This one--the language!  For anyone who enjoys writing and enjoys the possibilities of the freedom of the written word--it's excellent!

Good to know!

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 11:00:20 AM EST
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Social Limits to Growth- Fred Hirsch

Lazy cut and past from Amazon review

Social Limits to Growth sets forth a new view of the nature and the limitations of economic growth. The author's central argument is that there are indeed limits to growth currently exist and are essentially social rather than physical. As societies have become richer, an increasing proportion of the extra goods, services, and facilities sought by consumers cannot be acquired or used by all, without spoiling them for each other. So frustration is heightened by material affluence, which is why affluence does not make a satisfied society.

This book offers important insight on apparently disconnected aspects of the current malaise...such as alienation at work, the rat-race element in education, deterioration in city living, consumerist relationships with neighbors, friends, and sex partners, as well as accelerating rates of inflation and unemployment.

Key Concept

Positional goods: the idea that once a society has escaped the state of scarcity where the provision of the absolute neccesities of human life (Food, shelter, clothing, etc) the further creation of wealth in a society serves primarily to create social distinction rather than provide for human existence. Thus, once a society escapes scarcity the social impact of further economic growth is essentially fixed and zero sum.  I'm trying to figure a way to integrate this into measures for a research paper I'm working on about the relationship between economics and democracy.

I come from a red state, 'nuff said.

The Gift-Marcell Mauss

Linca led me to it.  The assumption that market as defined by the exchange of goods and services primarily defined by subjective utility of the individual as the operative mechanism rather than an intersubjective social significance not reducible formal value has always existed is utterly inaccurate.  Before greed was made good by the normative doctrine of economics, the primary purpose of wealth in a society was to convey social distinction.  Redistribution and reciprocation rule.  The wealthy have an obligation to care for the poor, and this in turn creates social obligation from the poor to those wealthy who provide for them.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Mon Oct 8th, 2007 at 07:29:12 PM EST
About the Gift (which I have to read too), I wonder how come this is not some sort of compulsory reading for each and every student going into the social sciences...  Is it unknown in the USA colleges or wasn't it on your reading list beforehand?

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Mon Oct 8th, 2007 at 07:48:11 PM EST
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Ha!

The dominant paradigm in the social sciences is a death struggle between the biological micro structures (psychology) and the presumption of micro level rationality (economics).  A role for society?

Largely ignored.

I've come to the conclusion that I might be a better fit in terms of a sociological orientation and an eye towards privileging theory as the substantive basis formal measures are based on, in Europe rather than America.  But I know that doing my doctoral work in Europe would make it nearly impossible to come home.  So that means emigration.  And I'm not ready to do that.

So I fight my fights here.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Mon Oct 8th, 2007 at 07:56:47 PM EST
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Sadly true, outisde of Anthropology, which is hardly a social science at all.  There's a reason nobody reads anthropology any more - it's just WAY too far outside the "mainstream" of academic debate nowadays.

Cultural and social construction of reality?  Please, we're all rational actors here.

by Zwackus on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 02:34:53 AM EST
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French economists and economics commentator are fond of reminding everyone that their discipline is a science, often comparing their results to that of the theory of gravity.

But social sciences ignoring anthropology, is a bit like chemists, biologists and engineers deciding collectively that physics ain't that important and one can theorise and experiment without it.

It seems in the US this wilful ignorance has reached sociology (It seems not to be the case yet in France).

 

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 07:13:21 AM EST
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Yes, American sociology has of late become quite enamored of rational choice theory.  It makes possible such pretty models, full of math and stuff that looks sciency, and brimming with truthiness.
by Zwackus on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 08:33:36 AM EST
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But I know that doing my doctoral work in Europe would make it nearly impossible to come home.

It seems to be the reverse in France : young researchers from France, studying in the US have a hard time coming back, whereas oodles of French doctors emigrate to the US. That's the situation I know of, in the hard sciences mostly ; It seems it is different in sociology ; because of too different schools of thoughts?

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 07:15:57 AM EST
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I have not seen the stats myself, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the US is importing more scientists than it's exporting. I.o.w. that the US is not training enough competent scientists to fill all the science jobs it has. This could be A Very Bad Thing for our American comrades when someplace else decides that they want to start playing the brain-drain game...

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Oct 13th, 2007 at 09:52:26 PM EST
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It's a common find on syllabi in Anthropology, and is widely acknowledged by Anthropologists as a foundational work in anthropological theory and cultural theory (of the "what is culture and what is its relation to society and to the world" strain).
by Zwackus on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 02:33:22 AM EST
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Been meaning to suggest you look at the first couple of chapters of The Barbarians Speak by Wells.  The entire book is on the interaction of the Roman Empire and the Germanic tribes along the border which is not terribly relevant, for you.  In various places in the first couple of chapters, tho', he talks about archeological evidence for the rise of economic stratification in those tribes.

May provide some 'ammunition' for your thesis.  

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Mon Oct 8th, 2007 at 08:08:27 PM EST
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once a society has escaped the state of scarcity where the provision of the absolute neccesities of human life (Food, shelter, clothing, etc) the further creation of wealth in a society serves primarily to create social distinction rather than provide for human existence

My impression is that social differentiation, or wealth and power gaps, are perhaps the only growing things that would be sustainable in the long run... if not for physical limits of resources. In particular, greed, as unimaginative but "optimal" survival strategy, was growing to great heights cyclically throughout the history, destroying the material base of itself each time. Say, with the emergence of agriculture, spurts of greed and social competition are inferred by Bender-Hayden's theory. (I'll try to write a diary on that soon.)

P.S. I'm reading now Gore Vidal's "Messiah".

by das monde on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 03:57:56 AM EST
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I suspect there's a Darwinian bottleneck which means that species intelligence always tends towards the lowest limit needed for immediate gratification, competition and survival. In most environments that's usually going to be too low to make good species-wide strategic planning likely.

What seems to have happened with humans is that the limit rose a bit higher than usual, probably through reproductive competition - but not high enough to be truly smart.

Darwinian solutions are always short-term and instinctive, and more effective in the short term - which is fine as far as it goes, but creates a reproductive cost for the more strategic kinds of intelligence which are capable of planning ahead.

Long term solutions are likely to frustrate any number of hard-wired tendencies, and that's not going to make them popular, or likely, with individuals who don't have the cognitive or empathic skills needed to understand why they're necessary.

And so - most species won't make it. You may get a sudden die-off, or you may get cycles. But breaking out of that pattern is going to take a lot of luck, and some stray well-intentioned randomness.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 05:43:46 PM EST
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My response is long enough for a diary. Enjoy! :-)
by das monde on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 10:49:09 PM EST
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An Introduction to Algebraic Structures by Landin.  Basic intro into Sets, Groups, Iso/Homo-morphism, and ... Rings! Just to keep the 'little grey cells' active.

Zero: The Biography of a Dangerous Idea by Seife.  A fun little book on nothing (zero) and everything (infinity.)

A Mind So Rare: The Evolution of Human Consciousness by Donald.  Book in favor of the proposition: Consciousness exists.

Science Teaching and Development of Thinking by Lawson.  How and Why to teach science and the problems encountered while so doing.

Ode to Charles Fourier" by Breton.  Surrealist on a the life and thoughts of one Real Weird Dude.  

_The Praise Singer by Renault.  My dark secret revealed: I like schlocky historical page-turners.  

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Mon Oct 8th, 2007 at 07:57:14 PM EST
ATinNM, your reading list reminded me of a comment in which you explained you are working on a "bottom-up" Natural Language Understanding System (as well as, possibly, a diary about it).

Are you working on this system at a university?

Incidentally, have you read Steven Pinker's latest book The Stuff of Thought, and if so what do you think of it?  (I have not, but I am debating whether to order it from the USA with a few other books.)

The key to culture is religion. Daniel Dennett @ TED (Feb 2006)

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Mon Oct 8th, 2007 at 09:57:21 PM EST
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The diary is one of the many things I've had to put on Hold this year due to the pressure of remodeling a house.  I need to get the diary done.  I want to get it done.  I will get it done.  Any day.  Real Soon Now.

I've been an 'Independent Researcher' - meaning I'm not affiliated with a university or corporation - since 1987.  Which has its good and bad points.  In theory being at a research center gives a person the chance to pursue their own interests and follow their ideas.  In practice, in my experience, in both environments the pressures to conform and perform to preestablished concepts and goals overwhelm the theory.  This may have changed over the last twenty years; other people on the list have more recent experience than I.

I know about, but have never read, Pinker.  (Again, no time.)  The little I know suggests we overlap in our chosen topic, kinda.    

If I may be so bold, what is your area of research?


Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Mon Oct 8th, 2007 at 11:21:02 PM EST
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Looking forward to reading that diary, whenever you get it done.

Being an "independent researcher" sounds great.  I would love to be one, if I had an area of research.  But I am resigned to remaining nothing more than a humble yet avid consumer of popular science.  (After having my world turned upside down when I read Hofstadter's Gödel, Escher, Bach in high school, I decided to study cognitive science in college.  But I quickly learned to my great disappointment that I just did not have the horsepower upstairs to keep up with my peers, much less make a career out of research.  However, I still remain very interested in linguistics, cognitive science, artificial intelligence, and related issues, though only on a lay level.)

The key to culture is religion. Daniel Dennett @ TED (Feb 2006)

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 01:01:18 AM EST
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Excuse me for an indelicate question but can you make a living as an "independent researcher?"

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 05:10:05 AM EST
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I can't or, rather, won't.  

The interest in what I do is now concentrated in the Federal government and specifically the various intelligence agencies and the DoD.  For example, acquiring, analyzing, and structuring amorphous real time data streams, such as Natural Languages, and deducing a course of action is a key unsolved problem in robotic weapons systems technology.  If we were willing to accept federal funds we know we would, eventually, get them.  We're not.  

So I buy, re-model, and sell houses to bring in the bucks and do the research as I can.  


Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 11:42:13 AM EST
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Does your area of research have some non governmental non military uses?

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 03:39:01 PM EST
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Sure but nobody in the venture fund business is going to give us the funds to work on this full time until we have an engineering prototype - as it's called.  If we have an engineering prototype we don't need their money; a couple of weeks of work, some programmic fiddle-dee-dee, and we can go live as a Natural Language front-end to Wikipedia.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 08:30:12 PM EST
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Steven Pinker is speaking at an event in London on Thursday. I should book a place!

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 12:19:38 AM EST
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I wish I could go!

Have you seen these talks he gave at TED?

Steven Pinker: The stuff of thought (2005)

Steven Pinker: A brief history of violence (2007)

The key to culture is religion. Daniel Dennett @ TED (Feb 2006)

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 01:06:11 AM EST
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No, I haven't. He'll probably rehash his Stuff of Thought talk, since he'll be promoting the book.

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 04:37:27 AM EST
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Have you read How the Mind Works?  I've often intended to, but have never gotten around to it.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 11:02:50 AM EST
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No, but I have read How Nature Works by Per Bak, which dispatches the brain in one short chapter.

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 12:09:47 PM EST
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I'll just limit myself to those books that are within Arms reach at the moment.

Crimes of War What the Public Should Know Revised Edition: What the Public Should Know (Paperback)Gutman & Reiff I have the previous edition, and would like to upgrade to the new version. It's a handy handbook on the laws of war, with examples written by lawyers,and war corespondents looking at several recent wars and providing examples to illustrate how the Laws of war work.

A History of Greek Philosophy: Earlier Presocratics and the Pythagoreans Vol 1 (Paperback)W.K.C. Guthrie Volume 1 of a 7 volume history of Greek philosophy (I've got 3 volumes and really must get the other 4)

The Night Watch Sergei Lukyanenko  Vampires in Moscow, what more needs be said.

Englands Dreaming Jon Savage  a new updated version of the history of Punk

The final call Leo Hickman  the environmental, social and human costs of Tourism traveling the world and  asking questions of us as to the costs of our holidays on the planet and its people.

The Price of Power (The secret funding of the Tory party) Colin Challen how one of the UK political parties uses front organisations to hide who funds it.

The War on Truth Neil Makakay  The story of the lies, and cover ups behind the war in Iraq

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Oct 8th, 2007 at 08:19:45 PM EST
I have to do a presentation on war crimes in class next Monday.  I'm not looking forward to it.  It's a lot of material, and it's really depressing.

I've come to realize that there's no explicit prohibition on rape as a weapon of war in the Geneva conventions.  Only implicit.  Which means that the prosecutability is low.    

Depressing.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Mon Oct 8th, 2007 at 08:58:42 PM EST
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Ah but Rape is codified in Case law,  specifically rape and sexual violence have been included as seperate recognisable crimes in the statutes of the International criminal tribuneral for the former Yugoslavia and the International criminal tribuneral for Rwanda. SO now there is solid case law that Rape and sexual violence are forms of Genocide.

Rape as a War Crime

And it all started quietly within the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda in the case of the Prosecutor v. Jean-Paul Akayesu. In that case, for the first time, rape and acts of sexual violence were put on equal footing with all other offenses. The Chamber in its progressive decision captured the essence of the crime holding that 3like torture, rape is used for such purposes as intimidation, degradation, humiliation, discrimination, punishment, control or destruction of the person. Like torture, rape is a violation of personal dignity, and ...in fact constitutes torture when it is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity.²

(hopefully that saves you some work, and hasn't made you more or knocked your entire argument on its head).

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Oct 8th, 2007 at 09:59:53 PM EST
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Yes,

This was the issue. Prohibition exists in the customary law, but it's never been codified.  That was the point I was trying to make.

This topic though makes me profoundly uncomfortable. Especially given that my cohort is a woman (whom I previously dated....)  We are both adults, so there's no need for this be any more uncomfortable than any other conversation.

There has to be something else against customary international law, but not codified.  Women's issues are a great place to look though, because until recently they were ignored.  Now there are some very interesting feminist takes on international relations.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Mon Oct 8th, 2007 at 11:34:10 PM EST
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Now there are some very interesting feminist takes on international relations.

Links? (or books)?


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 02:19:27 PM EST
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see this

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 03:56:00 PM EST
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If I could only remember my JSTOR password,

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 06:03:28 PM EST
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One of the features of ETopia is going to be electronic subscriptions to useful sites like JSTOR.

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 06:09:01 PM EST
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Somehow I got the running of administrator accounts for  various remote login systems for my college. OK I just deal with librarians, but it does mean I get my own account.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 06:15:28 PM EST
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I've recently read the whole Night Watch trilogy - it's fantastic!

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 02:24:10 AM EST
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I was given the first DVD last year, but hadn't seen it in book form before. and now have the first 2.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 03:20:19 AM EST
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putting Night Watch on my "must read immediately" list...  :)

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 10:51:12 AM EST
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There's also a sequel, "Daywatch", and a second sequel, and movies made of Nightwatch and (recently) Daywatch.

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 12:12:08 PM EST
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Daywatch is on my shelf of books that are nowhere near being read yet.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 12:46:35 PM EST
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The movies are excellent.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 05:00:38 PM EST
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They are but the books are way better.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Oct 10th, 2007 at 02:59:39 AM EST
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Is that ever not the case?

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Oct 10th, 2007 at 12:45:51 PM EST
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Starship Troopers?

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Oct 10th, 2007 at 06:31:02 PM EST
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Much better to read the far more anti war Forever War

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Oct 10th, 2007 at 06:50:12 PM EST
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Starship Troopers (the movie) was funnier though. And more darkly realistic that the Forever War, I think (disclaimer : I only read a faithful (and author approved) comics adaptation of the later).

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Oct 10th, 2007 at 07:23:01 PM EST
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Oh the film is well done, but unfortunately the humour and message will completely bypass the people who need it.

and on the second it's still one of my favourite science fiction books

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Oct 10th, 2007 at 07:28:57 PM EST
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Can we have a diary on Tory party funding? It's the kind of thing that needs more light shining on it.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 05:50:14 PM EST
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You mean you want me to push a story of Russian vampires further down the list ?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 05:57:22 PM EST
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(recent:)
Liaisons of Life (Wakeford)
What are People For? (Berry)
Slow Food Nation (Petrini)
(current:)
The Art of the Commonplace (Berry)
Thud! (Pratchett)
(next:)
Plenty Smith/MacKinnon
The Fate of Mice (Palwick)
Power, Sex, Suicide. Mitochondria and the Meaning of Life (Lane)
Good Omens (Pratchett/Gaiman)
Hungry for Profit (Shiva)

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...
by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Mon Oct 8th, 2007 at 09:04:40 PM EST
Oh I forgot -- recent brain-sedative reading, The Master of All Desires, historically informed silliness best read with a fluffy dessert :-)

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...
by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Mon Oct 8th, 2007 at 09:07:17 PM EST
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Have you read the Cadfael series of mysteries by Ellis Peters (Edith Pargeter?)  He is a monk during the Stephen/Maud civil war in England.  A total waste of time and really fun.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Mon Oct 8th, 2007 at 10:04:07 PM EST
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O yes -- old favourites. Very formulaic, but somehow likeable despite their predictability.

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...
by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 01:07:20 AM EST
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Not read any, but seen the tv version

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 03:22:33 AM EST
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"Power, Sex, Suicide. Mitochondria and the Meaning of Life"

You win for best title.  In a landslide.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 11:04:11 AM EST
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how about This as competition though. (and I have read it and do have a copy)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 11:27:11 AM EST
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by José Saramago

Sobring, even depressing, so far, but a page-turner.  Get the feeling that Saramago is conducting a thought experiment on human nature, and is not interested in romanticizations and idealizations of what we could be, but a clinical accounting of what we are.  Anxious to find out if this story ends in despair, or with hope.

(Ensaio sobre a cegueira is the original Portugese title.)

The key to culture is religion. Daniel Dennett @ TED (Feb 2006)

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Mon Oct 8th, 2007 at 10:21:27 PM EST
Brilliant book.  Brilliant.  When you finish that, go out and get everything else he's ever written.

Saramago is far and away my favorite living writer.  I keep meaning to do a Saramago diary, but I never get around to it...

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 06:55:42 AM EST
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Oh god. I have started that book twice now. I cannot read it. It creeps me out too much.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 11:30:38 AM EST
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(Since this is a diary on reading, I'll repost a comment from last night's Open Thread:)

Has anyone read The Parable of the Tribes by Andrew Bard Schmookler?

(Have not read it, but am considering ordering it.)

The key to culture is religion. Daniel Dennett @ TED (Feb 2006)

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Mon Oct 8th, 2007 at 10:26:04 PM EST
I am currently reading Spot Sleeps Over and Spot's First Christmas both by Eric Hill; The Good Humor Man by Kathleen Daly; The Little Red Hen ; Good Night Little Bear by Richard Scarry and about 20 other children's books courtesy of my 22 month old grandson who we are caring for three  months while his mother recovers from surgery.

I would like to read Subcomandante Marcos' book once I finish with Spot and The Little Red Hen.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Mon Oct 8th, 2007 at 11:01:07 PM EST
So what is your position in the gastronomical controversy regarding Green Eggs and Ham?

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Mon Oct 8th, 2007 at 11:26:36 PM EST
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Well I'm not sure your daughter will aprove in your turning your grandson into a young revolutionary. ;-) However it does mean that your grandson will in the years ahead remember his grandfather as a dangerous revolutionary and that may be important in 20 years ;-)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 03:27:12 AM EST
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I don't think I've ever brought this up, but I was not really read many "children's books" as a young child.  I remember Beatrix Potter and Robert Louis Stevenson and Eugene Field, but those were from my grandmother.  At home there was no sense of that which is appropriate for a 22 year old is inappropriate for a 22 month old.  I attribute  whatever minor gifts I have to this.

I say, bust out Subcomandante Marcos' book.  No need to tell the parents.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 10:58:54 AM EST
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I may have to try something more complex with my grandson once I get the feeling he will sit still for it.  Right now he is progressing nicely with Spot and Co., but he really is bright and has an incredible spoken vocabulary for a 22 month old (not entirely from Spot readings)so maybe that time will come soon.

He has been to Southern Mexico and seen how some people are treated there so he could appreciate the writings of Subcomandante Marcos sooner than most.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 10:58:14 PM EST
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Ah yes. Spot. Our 32-month old has moved on to slightly less mind-numbing fare these days thankfully, although she has a distressing affection for a crappy bastardisation of Winnie the Pooh from Disney - I try and convince myself it's the resusable stickers she likes.

For myself, I don't get to read as much as I'd like these days, what with work, the aforementioned 32-month old and fixing up my newly acquired house (yup - bought at the top of the market I reckon). I'm slowly working my way through A Song of Ice & Fire by George Martin - a Doorstopping Fantasy Series I concede, but a superior DSFS - I've been at it for two months already but I won't be done for at another month or two at the rate I'm going, whereas in my youth I'd have despatched all four volumes in a week or so of concentrated bookwormery.

Non-fiction has mostly been AGW-related lately - next on my list will be Mark Lynas' new(ish) book Six Degrees

Regards
Luke

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by silburnl on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 11:06:58 AM EST
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Recent:
La Fraga, Danielle Sallenave
All the King's Men, Robert Penn-Warren
Milenio, Manuel Vasquez-Montalban
Midnight's Children, Salman Rushdie
The Mission Song, John Le Carré
La Misteriosa Fiamma della Regina Loana, Umberto Eco
Everyman, Philip Roth

Next:
Questa Storia, Alessandro Baricco
Introduction à la critique de la raison arabe, Mohamed Abed al-Jabri

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 04:53:36 AM EST
How did you like Everyman?

The key to culture is religion. Daniel Dennett @ TED (Feb 2006)
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 08:24:54 AM EST
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Like most of Philip Roth's books, I liked it a lot. It is a very profound reflection on time, mortality and the way we travel along our life. It reminded me of his other novel The Dying Animal.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 12:07:08 PM EST
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Ther only books I've read lately are those that I buy at the bestseller stand in the airport or the train station. I don't even remember their titles.

Now I can also give you a list a very intellectual books that I've bought or thought about reading in recent times, but in either case not read...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 06:04:53 AM EST
I can also give you a list a very intellectual books that I've bought or thought about reading in recent times, but in either case not read...

Ok.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 11:05:38 AM EST
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thanks Jerome, I'm glad there's at least one other person who hasn't read a proper book in a long time.

I just go to local charity shops and hoover a few interesting titles off the shelves, read 'em and forget 'em.

I also consider buying some of the more thought provoking titles, but cannot be bothered to pay the prices they want to charge for a hardback and their relevance is gone by the time they're in paperback.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 02:14:14 PM EST
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that said, I'm supposed to be learning bulgarian and am still trying to wwrap my eyes around cyrillic. My....brain.....hurts

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 02:15:23 PM EST
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(recent)
The Cave by Jose Saramago
Lost City Radio by Daniel Alarcon

Both are novels.  Both are highly recommended.  Highly.

(current)
The Assault on Reason by Al Gore

(future = a long list, here's just one thing on it)
With All Our Might: A Progressive Strategy for Defeating Jihadism and Defending Liberty edited by Will Marshall.  

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 06:53:41 AM EST
I just want to put in another plug for Lost City Radio, partly cuz it's written by a young first-time novelist.  It's really a work of startling maturity, and I couldn't put it down.

A nameless, timeless South American country slowly emerges from a war everyone would prefer to forget. For ten years, Norma has been the voice of consolation for a people broken by violence, while hiding her own personal loss: her husband disappeared at the end of the war. Norma's radio program is the most popular in the country, and every week the Indians in the mountains and poor of the barrios listen as she reads the names of those who have gone missing, those whom the furiously expanding city has swallowed. Loved ones are reunited, and the lost are found.

But the life she has become accustomed to is forever changed when a young boy arrives from the jungle and provides a clue to the fate of her long-missing husband.

Stunning, timely, and absolutely mesmerizing, Lost City Radio probes the deepest questions of war and its meaning: from its devastating impact on a society transformed by violence to the emotional scarring each participant, observer, and survivor carries with them for years.

Read it read it read it read it read it.

Also, I found this interview with Daniel Alarcon and thought he had some very interesting things to say, and not just about the novel.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 11:39:08 AM EST
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I recently read Stumbling on Happiness. I am still reading (or: living with) Against the Day.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 07:13:24 AM EST
Right now, O'Reilly's "Pratique de CSS et JavaScript" and "Pratique de Ruby on Rails".

Trying to learn Web technologies so that the next job will be a bit more interesting. Spending too much time doing it, so that being finally jobless hasn't let me read more interesting things, yet.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 07:18:47 AM EST
I've been reading mostly German books lately (or at least, those are the ones that have made an impression on me):


Der Baader-Meinhof Komplex
by Stefan Aust - a very thorough account of the formation and development of the "Baader-Meinhof-Gang"/RAF in the 60's and 70's, up to Schleyer's murder and beyond.

Tannöd and Kalteis by Andrea Maria Schenkel - Two extremely tightly written thrillers set in a postwar farming community and pre-war Munich, respectively. The former is especially good: a story of the impact of a savage multiple murder of an isolated family on a narrow-minded, hardscrabble farming village. The stories are told primarily through first-person reports in the style of statements made to the police or some other outside interrogator.

Next up is Cormac McCarthy: The Road.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 11:43:04 AM EST
Almost done with A Brief History of Neoliberalism. Read most of it on the beach in Hawaii. heh.

Also read Hardboiled Wonderland and the End of the World by Murakami. Up next is Wind-up Bird Chronicle by the same guy.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 05:05:49 PM EST
Just finished Philip Short's Pol Pot, some light bedtime reading about the history of the Khmer Rouge and its enigmatic founder. Not a lot of detail is known about his life or his thoughts, so the book is mostly about the origins of the Khmer Rouge and their rise to power. Unexpectedly, it was very strong on the 1950s and 1960s - which was good for me, since it was a part of Indochinese history I had been weak on...but the book very quickly moved through the years when the Khmer Rouge was in power, 1975-79.

Next up is Armistead Maupin's Tales of the City, which I'm reading both for pleasure and for my dissertation (which among other things examines San Francisco in the 1970s).

After that, dunno...

And the world will live as one

by Montereyan (robert at calitics dot com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 09:16:58 PM EST
The Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael Pollan

A book that explores what are our choices to eat. It attempts to trace our meals back to their sources. Just what are we eating? It also provides a historical comparison. The book is US centric, but probably far more relevant to other first world countries than should make us comfortable.

The author looks at 4 types of meals. The first is a Macdonald's meal. He studies what it is composed of (a rather surprising amount of corn), and then studies where the corn comes from.  He provides information on how US farm subsidies for corn work.  It is rather creative, providing direct subsidies to farmers, while maintaining a price per bushel that is a bit over half of the cost to grow the corn. The result is that almost anything that can be created from corn is, including the meat from feedlots and ethanol. He discusses what happens to cows that are corn fed. (Cows do not naturally eat corn.) He also indicates that the US is still feeding cow products to cows...

He also provides information on the energy input necessary to grow corn. The result is that for every calorie of corn energy in ethanol, probably more than a calorie of fossil fuel was used to create it.

After a rather depressing detailed look at corn, he looks at other types of meals, including organic, "post organic" and a hunter-gatherer meal.

I did not know that in the US you could buy a factory farmed organic chicken for example.

The last section on a hunter-gatherer meal was interesting, but seemed to me to be a bit self-indulgent.

Anyway, from the web site:

What should we have for dinner? The question has confronted us since man discovered fire, but according to Michael Pollan, the bestselling author of The Botany of Desire, how we answer it today, at the dawn of the twenty-first century, may well determine our very survival as a species.   Should we eat a fast-food hamburger?  Something organic?  Or perhaps something we hunt, gather, or grow ourselves? The omnivore's dilemma has returned with a vengeance, as the cornucopia of the modern American supermarket and fast-food outlet confronts us with a bewildering and treacherous food landscape. What's at stake in our eating choices is not only our own and our children's health, but the health of the environment that sustains life on earth

http://www.michaelpollan.com/omnivore.php

aspiring to genteel poverty

by edwin (eeeeeeee222222rrrrreeeeeaaaaadddddd@@@@yyyyaaaaaaa) on Tue Oct 9th, 2007 at 11:36:06 PM EST


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