Here we go again

by ceebs
Sat Nov 10th, 2007 at 09:49:16 AM EST

POLITICS-US: Cheney Tried to Stifle Dissent in Iran NIE
WASHINGTON, Nov 8 (IPS) - A National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iran has been held up for more than a year in an effort to force the intelligence community to remove dissenting judgments on the Iranian nuclear programme, and thus make the document more supportive of U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney's militarily aggressive policy toward Iran, according to accounts of the process provided by participants to two former Central Intelligence Agency officers.

But this pressure on intelligence analysts, obviously instigated by Cheney himself, has not produced a draft estimate without those dissenting views, these sources say. The White House has now apparently decided to release the unsatisfactory draft NIE, but without making its key findings public...<snip>

Former CIA officer Philip Giraldi provided a similar account, based on his own sources in the intelligence community. He told IPS that intelligence analysts have had to review and rewrite their findings three times, because of pressure from the White House.

"The White House wants a document that it can use as evidence for its Iran policy," says Giraldi. Despite pressures on them to change their dissenting conclusions, however, Giraldi says some analysts have refused to go along with conclusions that they believe are not supported by the evidence.

So here we are once again with intelligence being (in the words of sir Richard Dearlove) "fixed around policy"

Sigh... — Promoted by Migeru


Only this time the US inteligence agencies, aren't quite as keen to be left holding the bag when it all blows up in peoples faces.  In the run up to the Iraq war we saw lower level members of the US Intelegence organisation who didn't appear to agree with the  policy, most noticeably in the Plame/Wilson affair. The administration is reported to have "The feeling of the medieval church, including the Inquisition" about it, there isn't a sense of disagreement and discussion, more a sense of Good and Evil, and if you disagree you're evil  (taken from the following BBC documentary about 4 and a half minutes in if you want the full quote)

from the Asia times version of the same story we see that the bloodletting in trying to force the policy through, seemingly by Cheneys faction in the administration goes a lot higher

Asia Times Online :: Middle East News, Iraq, Iran current affairs

Cheney's desire for a "clean" NIE that could be used to support his aggressive policy toward Iran was apparently a major factor in the replacement of John Negroponte as director of national intelligence in early 2007. Negroponte had angered neo-conservatives in the administration by telling the press in April 2006 that the intelligence community believed that it would still be "a number of years off" before Iran would be "likely to have enough fissile material to assemble into or to put into a nuclear weapon, perhaps into the next decade".

Neo-conservatives immediately attacked Negroponte for the statement, which merely reflected the existing NIE on Iran issued in spring 2005. Robert G Joseph, the under secretary of state for arms control and an ally of Cheney, contradicted Negroponte the following day. He suggested that Iran's nuclear program was nearing the "point of no return" - an Israeli concept referring to the mastery of industrial-scale uranium enrichment.

Now this time there are two routes closed off to them, Forged documents are going to be looked at very carefully, so would be too much of a risk, and after the poor dosier produced by Blair, in any sane world, data from other government would be gone through with a fine tooth comb by the media, so this is probably too much of a risk too.

So what will the next move be?

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Al Jazeera English - News - Israel Urges Removal Of Elbaradei
The Israeli deputy prime minister has called for Mohamed ElBaradei to be dismissed as head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, accusing him of ignoring the danger of Iran's nuclear programme.   Shaul Mofaz told Israel Radio that ElBaradei's policies "endanger world peace" and described his attitude to Iran's activities as "irresponsible".
ElBaradei is expected to issue another report on November 22 on the progress of Iran's nuclear programme.


We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 10th, 2007 at 02:10:07 PM EST
I guess ElBaradei's criticism of Israel's recent air strike in Syria didn't go down too well with the Israeli government. So now the man is a threat to world peace while Israel keeps working on developing its second strike ability and plans to bomb Iran.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sat Nov 10th, 2007 at 03:05:21 PM EST
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Some days I think that the Israeli government is the only group in power more extreme than the Bushies instead of "you're either with us or against us", it's "your either with us or you're an active participant in the Holocaust".

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Nov 10th, 2007 at 05:24:17 PM EST
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And our dear leaders Sarko and Merkel just went ass-licking to these people...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sat Nov 10th, 2007 at 06:01:52 PM EST
I have no words to describe that video.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 11th, 2007 at 05:05:13 AM EST
That's just the first 10 minutes of two hour long documentaries. I threw a couple of comments up on them the day after they were on. Several times I found myself shocked at the sheer etupidity of the whole situation.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sun Nov 11th, 2007 at 02:41:39 PM EST
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Part 2

part 3

part 4

part 5

part 6

part 7

part 8

part 9

part 10

part 11

part 12

part 13

part 14

part 15

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sun Nov 11th, 2007 at 04:28:24 PM EST
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Good to see more diaries coming from you Ceebs!

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 11th, 2007 at 01:47:48 PM EST
OK,OK I'll just feel a bit guilty at not writing enough.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sun Nov 11th, 2007 at 02:42:18 PM EST
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No, don't feel guilty! It's just good to see you posting.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 11th, 2007 at 02:46:21 PM EST
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Hadn't seen this You tube clip of the documentary, but it pretty much confirms everything many have been thinking and saying for a long time.  The Powell comment (re owning 25 million Iraqi's) I had heard before, and it couldn't have been more prophetic.

Re: the NIE.  Brings back memories of such standoffs while in govt. service.  Sometimes it's not easy to defend the truth, but it can things quite uncomfortable and tedious for those trying to push through a lie.

won't wonders never cease? _ Snuffy Smith

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sun Nov 11th, 2007 at 07:30:55 PM EST
have a look from about 3:30 into part 10,

and 2 and a half minutes into part 11 for some particularly mindboggling bits

although you can probably watch any part and find one or two examples of things that are utterly, utterly ludicrously disasterous.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sun Nov 11th, 2007 at 08:29:58 PM EST
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Yeah, interesting info.  More of the same incompetence matched only by the thought processes that went into the decision to invade Iraq in the first place.

I'll never forget during one of my trips to Jordan in the mid 90s.  By a quirk of fate I got a car ride from a Jordanian or Palestinian guy (I had never actually met face to face) who had rather close ties to the Iraqi establishment (take my word for this).  The guy was very polite and we had an interesting conversation about Sadam Hussein. One of the memorable things he said about America's unhappiness with Iraq was "you know there are worse things than Sadam." I suppose a few people wish they had had that little bit of inconsequential advice about now.  

won't wonders never cease? _ Snuffy Smith

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Mon Nov 12th, 2007 at 09:03:48 PM EST
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What Sir Jeremy Greenstock says 6:50-7:20 in is very revealing -- about Bliar & the other less insane participants.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Nov 13th, 2007 at 04:12:59 AM EST
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(Could someone make/get a good transscript of that part?)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Nov 13th, 2007 at 04:13:52 AM EST
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JG He couldn't find the means to persuade the Americans to do things differently or to speed up the things that were going wrong.
q;Even though he had the ear of the president
JG:Well he did say these things but what can you do at that point but keep going, but I don't think he wanted to analyse fully in his own mind the consequences of these not being going right. there was a certain ammount in all of us, we were all part of a team, of surely this has got to go right at some point.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Nov 14th, 2007 at 01:33:04 PM EST
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I mean 6:50-7:20 in in part 11...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Nov 13th, 2007 at 04:14:29 AM EST
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