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Deficits Don't Matter

by redstar
Wed Nov 7th, 2007 at 06:22:45 PM EST

Here on the lefter shades of the web dial we constantly hear about how the grotesquely huge budget deficit is a GOP, Bushite-inspired wingnut disaster. Profligate "borrow & spend" policies are bankrupting our children's future, or other similar liberal whingeing. It's causing the dollar to plunge as furriners refuse to bankroll our public debt, interest rates are about to go through the roof and don't even talk to me about inflation!

Meanwhile, over in wingnuttia, we are told that Dear Leader's tax cuts have reduced the US deficit to a mere 1.2% of GDP,  lower than the post-war average.

How is an honest, economic-minded and politically-plugged in person to evaluate these competing claims? Well, I'm here to tell you that it doesn't matter.


I know, I know, in many ways, the CBO's 1.2% of GDP deficit number is a bullshit figure. I really should be worried, things really are going to hell, didn't I just see the dollar and the S&P go to hell again today? Isn't the real relevant figure, the one which excludes the Social Security surplus, 2.5%?

But wait - 2.5% isn't a bad number either, historically speaking. Hell, the Growth and Stability Pact undergirding the Euro, that most rigorous of modern currencies and the reserve money of the future according to some, only requires member states to run a deficit of no more than 3.0% of GDP, and both France and Germany have recently exceeded this target on a regular basis). I know, this "great number" happens in a time of strong corporate profits, a relatively good (if undertaxed) capital gains environment, and solid (if not shared) economic growth; just four years ago we were scraping along at 5.0% of GDP on-budget deficits. In this environment, shouldn't we be expecting a surplus, not pissing away the public purse on foreign adventures abroad, contracts for cronies and tax cuts for wealthy benefactors all the while neglecting the public good in extremis?

Imagine my surprise when I happened upon this gem a while back in the English-Language edition of the People's Daily, the official organ of the Chinese Communist Party:

The U.S. federal budget deficit declined to 162.8 billion dollars in the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30, the lowest level in five years, the Treasury Department reported Thursday.

Data released by the Treasury showed that the budget deficit for the 2007 budget year was 34.4 percent lower than the red ink of 248.2 billion dollars in 2006.

For this whole fiscal year, the government's revenue hit a record of 2.57 trillion dollars, while its spending also set an all-time high of 2.73 trillion dollars.

"This year's budget results demonstrate the remarkable strength of the U.S. economy," said Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson. "This strength has translated into record-breaking revenues flowing into the U.S. Treasury and a continued decline in the federal budget deficit."  

Well, it's a good thing that America's greatest creditor approves enough to play the story straight. I mean, we know the US press is just going to stenograph the utterances of Bush Administration officials, but if the central bank holding the equivalent of 10% (and growing quickly) of US GDP in liquid US assets is buying it too, we gotta be ok, right? And obviously, the wingnuts approve too. But should we? Is this great news, or not so much?

If we count on the Congressional Budget Office's current projections we'll be back to unified budgetary surpluses by the end of the next President's first term! If there's a fiscal crisis that's endangering Social Security so much Barack Obama wants to help the GOP reform it, it's sure hard to tell from CBO figures. And since the Democrats now control Congress, and the Congress oversees the CBO, and Obama's a Democrat, that can't be bullshit, can it?  The answer is...not so much. CBO estimates, unfortunately, assume a lot of things, like that Dubya's tax cuts expire, economic growth remains relatively robust, US foreign expeditions come to an end, and no one tries to do anything rash like Charlie Rangel's attempts to reform the AMT.

Of course, wingnuttia has a different idea than liberals of what deficits mean and what the federal government means, a difference which boils down to drowning something in a bathtub near you, the future health of Social Security be damned. And the People's Bank of China is looking out for the interest of future Chinese pensioners, not those of Americans, and trying to ensure continued economic growth in the PRC, arguably the largest anti-poverty measure in the history of mankind. So they not likely to be paying much mind to the sort of liberal hair-splitting we engage in, like talking about on-budget versus off-budget deficits - as far as they're concerned, it's all the same, if the US wants to pay for the war in Iraq with regressive payroll taxes intended to fund future retirements, who cares? It's not their problem, nor are future Social Security benefits. But we progressives should be more serious about deficits, shouldn't we?

What if the answer to this were no? Deficits matter, of course. Everything borrowed must be paid, and if it's a government, that's either by future taxes, or the ultimate monetary tax, inflation. But maybe there are more important things than this deficit, and this for reasons diametrically opposed to the reasoning likely animating the wingnuts and the Communist cadres running the PRC.

For while both of these groups probably expect that the US government will simply get future spending under control, gutting social security among other things, if we really believe in the programs we believe in, their need and the American public's desire for them, we should also believe that there's no way the American public would stand by and see them gutted.

It just ain't. Gonna. Happen.

America can stand over a million homeless children this year without saying much. It can let over two million homeowners lose their homes, many of them due to a medical crisis in the family, just this year without passing legislation to help them out.  And it can piss away over a trillion dollars to kill by the hundreds of thousands. But dinosaurs will once again rule the planet before middle-class boomers take losing their Social Security benefits sitting down.

Nothing will focus the minds of the millions of baby boomers at or approaching retirement than the prospect of losing tens of thousands of dollars of annual benefits per beneficiary. Remember the million man march? Think multimillion grandpa march. And if enough folks are mobilized, if enough minds are focused, it just might force the US to abandon the instinctive militarism that has animated it for so long and that it can't afford, and focus instead on the needs of its people. And if America stops sinking billions into hi-tech gadgetry intended to more efficiently kill brown people abroad, it'll be good not just for Americans, but for each and every one of us.

Plus there might be the added benefit of another Woodstock...Joe Cocker, Santana, Joan Baez and Neil Young are still around. (On second thought, given the Kenny G and Ray Conniff Jr. many boomers have graduated to, this might be a bad idea.)

And as for all the short-term happy talk about the success Dubya's fiscal probity, within days of the CBO's announcement, it was already rising again.

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"C'est un scandale !"
by redstar on Wed Nov 7th, 2007 at 06:23:40 PM EST
How did deficit matter in 1992?

Those were relatively good times...

by das monde on Thu Nov 8th, 2007 at 06:46:23 AM EST
Great clip.

Poor George, Sr. looks stunned dumb as he listens to Clinton's response.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2007 at 12:06:35 AM EST
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Confirms my opinion of Clinton as the smartest politician of his generation.
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Fri Nov 9th, 2007 at 05:58:46 AM EST
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On the other hand, they do not ask questions like this anymore in presidential debates.

All subjects and rules are controlled by the bipartisan (rather than non-partisan), corporately sponsored Comission on Presidential Debates. The rules evolved to stifle any real discussion, and minimize surprises. For example, now candidates cannot address an opponent (while Clinton and Gore could 15 years ago). Audience questions are selected watchfully.

In 2004, there was much less chance for junior Bush to dissemble on a similar question. (Although he was quite dissembling in the first debate nevertheless.) Bill Clinton was rather lucky then... or people are rather tricked now...

by das monde on Fri Nov 9th, 2007 at 06:29:35 AM EST
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Clinton was an excellent politician, but this question, and the responses given, about deficits and debt, were largely irrelevant because the actual question was about the effects of a recession, and Clinton's response was about government spending priorities and about tax and fiscal equity. Not about the deficit.

Bush Sr. couldn't figure out a way to answer, at first, because the question simply didn't make sense (which is why the moderator had to say "I think she means the state of the economy"). Clinton had a whole minute to figure out how to re-direct the question.

Smart man.

 

"C'est un scandale !"

by redstar on Fri Nov 9th, 2007 at 08:20:21 AM EST
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I found it to be a sort of half-answer from Clinton, mentioning that it impacted the businesses and workers in his state, perhaps alluding to its impact on inflation and wages (although I'd have to get an answer from him on what he was referencing there), etc.  All things considered, it was a much better answer than 99% of politicians would give, but I expect a better answer than 99% of politicians from Bill Clinton, because I know he's more intelligent (and think, based on his background, that's he much more real) than the others.

Poppy Bush, of course, had no answer, because it didn't affect him in any way.

I disagree about the question not making sense.  The question made perfect sense:  "How does the deficit affect you personally?"  My answer would be, "Well, the deficit will inevitably drive up interest rates as it feeds inflation.  The inflation causes erosion in my salary and will make borrowing (for a house, a car, servicing a credit card) more difficult for me and others.  And since it hurts the abilities of others in similar ways, it can put even more pressure on me through spillovers."

I thought it was a fantastic question.  It's sad that most politicians, even great ones like Clinton, can't provide full answers it.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2007 at 01:50:17 PM EST
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I disagree that the deficit will inevitably drive up interest rates. It depends on what the deficit is for. If it is to kick start an economy and fuel the sorts of economic outcomes which either reduce further outlays or increase future revenues, a deficit does certainly no such thing.

Interest rates tend to (and I do mean tend) indicate expectations of future inflation, both short-term and long-term, which budget deficits, at least the structural part of them, also tend to fuel. And tighter credit in a strictly neo-liberal system with no protections, no indexing and so forth hurts working people. So in that sense a deficit can hurt working people, via inflation or tight credit, assuming nothing is done to offset their effects.

But the thing is, in '92, interest rates were no higher than in 2000, US 10-year yields, which correlate well to mortgage rates, are virtually identical in comparison, so it cannot be said that markets were punishing credit because of a large US budget deficit, much of which back then wasn't, strictly speaking, structural (but was rather because Poppy and the Democratic Congress were busy bailing out their S&L buddies). The questioner clearly was worried about something at best only speciously related to the budget deficit.

The reason it was in the US consciousness at the time was because a third right-wing candidate, not pictured in this debate clip, who used millions of his money to make it an issue.

"C'est un scandale !"

by redstar on Fri Nov 9th, 2007 at 03:17:46 PM EST
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I disagree that the deficit will inevitably drive up interest rates. It depends on what the deficit is for. If it is to kick start an economy and fuel the sorts of economic outcomes which either reduce further outlays or increase future revenues, a deficit does certainly no such thing.

Yes, that's certainly true.  If deficits are run, for example, too boost the country's infrastructure, or for some other purpose that can lead to stronger productivity growth, it may well be the case that inflationary pressures are reduced.

I do agree that the questioner was likely worried about something not heavily tied to the deficit.  She was worried about jobs and the economy in general, and was operating on the (admittedly Democratic) fairy tale of it being all about the budget deficit.


Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2007 at 07:29:35 PM EST
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Man, Bush the Father comes across as just as big of an idiot as his son!

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 11th, 2007 at 04:49:47 AM EST
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