QED - Films galore !

by Ted Welch
Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 10:14:21 AM EST


Quick enthusiastic diary - films galore!

After the proposal to have a film blog on Eurotrib I went to the local Fnac (which sells TVs, cameras, software, books, DVDs, etc.) - and was amazed at what seemed to be the suddenly much greater the range of DVDs on offer. Of course it's just before xmas, so companies want to get more stuff on the shelves - but what variety there is now !What a period to be a film student, if a reasonably solvent one - but, for the price of an evening's drinks (for a Brit), one can buy a film masterpiece with a making-of documentary and the director's commentary. Companies are realising what saleable goods they have in their archives and now all sorts of collections are on offer, films of certain stars : John Wayne (and let's not sneer, he's been in some John Ford classics, e.g. The Searchers), directors, Hitchcock, Bergman, etc.

An example of this new availability is Ridley Scott's Blade Runner.


For years fans of the film waited for a DVD, eventually it came, but NOW I grabbed a 2 disc special edition,

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only to swap it when I saw that beside it there was a 5 disc set !

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But this set is also available in a numbered edition, in a copy of Harrison Ford's briefcase !

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- but only in the US - SO unfair:-)  OK, so I'm a geeky fan as far as this film is concerned - if they have a 5 disc set for Fellini's 8 ½ I'll buy that too. I also bought the two disc set of Scorsese's introductions to American and Italian films (which I'd seen on UK TV when they first came out). And in the latter he reveals that 8.1/2 is one of HIS all-time favourite films too.

Blade Runner hadn't been very successful commercially in 1982, but in the 25 years since then it has become revered by many and there are various web sites dedicated to it. A young reviewer writes about yet another version of the film shown on a big screen, which she says it really needs to fully appreciate it's visual quality. Scott went to the Royal College of Art before becoming a director of TV commercials, an excellent training - he made about 2,500! And won a number of prizes before directing features, e.g. the first Alien, before making Blade Runner. When he was introduced to the art director for Blade Runner he said: "Bad luck for you"; Scott had been chosen for HIS eye, which encompassed all aspects of the design. He was frustrated that, due to US union rules, he couldn't be his own camera operator (as he was used to being making commercials in the UK). Though he had a talented cine-photographer, he story-boarded the film and set up a lot of the shots himself - many of which are little works of art in their own right.

NYFF Revew: Blade Runner: The Final Cut

By Katey Rich: 2007-09-30

I've never been a huge sci-fi fan, but still: never having seen Blade Runner is downright embarrassing. Aside from the fact that there have been about 50 different releases of the film in my lifetime (okay, two), it's one of those movies that gets referenced and revered so often, you may as well be talking about Citizen Kane [ which was one of the influences on Scott, as well as Metropolis and film noir. TW].

... Simply put, Blade Runner is something that really ought to be seen on the big screen. The coppery glints in the eyes of the replicants, the crowded streets of multi-culti 2019 L.A., the giant smiling billboards passed by flying cars-- none of it seems in proper perspective when you see it from the couch.

That immense difference is a testament to what Ridley Scott accomplished in making this film. At a time when the future on film was either in space (Star Wars) or a comedy (Back to the Future), Scott was brave enough to show a world not all that unlike our own, but with everything that makes it unlivable and nothing that makes it worthwhile. In the same way the noirs stripped the sheen off the late 1940's, a post-war boom era in which there were supposedly only bright things ahead, Scott's neo-noir gives us a future in which the things that are supposed to have made humanity better, somehow, made us less human.
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What's great about the film, though, is it couldn't be made today-- in a time where comic book movies are all the rage and hyper-active nerds are taking over the cinema at last, a sci-fi movie with this concept could never be so slow, so meditative, so resolutely weird. A tiny walking Napoleon programmed by its maker to greet him at the door each night? A killer vixen robot who does cartwheels before she maims?

... The 5-disc DVD set will likely be worth it for diehard fans, containing four separate versions of the film that will make easier the kind of side-by-side contrasts I wish I could have accomplished here. What's important, though, is that the New York Film Festival wasn't just engaging in marketing synergy when it included this film; Blade Runner deserves another big-screen bow, even in the age of CGI special effects, because its accomplishments remain, in many ways, unmatched. Replicants may live only four years, but Blade Runner seems destined to live to 2019 and beyond.

Cinema Blend

The extended making-of documentary on disc 4 is fascinating, a master-class in film-making (one young director says he wore out his video version trying to understand how Scott had created this stunning film). One lesson is the incredible amount of determination you need to make the film they way YOU want it within the Hollywood system. But it also shows what a collective enterprise it is and that Scott was generally very lucky with his cast and crew, many of whom made their own quite significant contributions, e.g. Rutger Hauer's to the ending of the film.

The film's appeal is international and cross-generational (see the review above); at a restaurant with a group the other week I found that the young French guy opposite me was also a big fan of the film. Sadly science fiction doesn't seem to be too popular with women - his Brit wife hadn't been very impressed (but see the review above).

However this film is as far above the usual run of SF films as Philip K. Dick's books are above the average SF novel - the film is based (tenuously) - on his book: "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep". While the story differs greatly, when Dick saw some sequences showing the sets and special effects he was amazed that they'd seemed to have tapped into his brain because that was as he'd imagined it to be.

On the other hand DON'T buy "Tristram Shandy: A Cock and Bull story" - it's rubbish (OK SOME people seem to like it - see Guardian for viewer's responses - very divided):

Another film I am amazed that got made. A totally trite load of trash by a less than talented troupe of players the like of which I have not seen for a long time. Did nothing, said nothing, was nothing. British cinema generally is so much better than this. A case of a tried and tested player trying and testing us the audience to the point of total tedium.

The Guardian

 The best review (I think) is a marxist one, which quickly dismisses it and goes on to talk about the book:

World Socialist Web Site

OK, this is supposed to be a quick diary for a change - and I have more discs to watch :-) Oh, I nearly forgot, important themes in the film are: what we are doing to the environment and ourselves, and the power of big corporations ! :-)

Happy viewing - whatever you watch.

For more on the film see:

http://www.bladezone.com

http://www.brmovie.com

http://scribble.com/uwi/br

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One of my favourite movies!

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 10:21:52 AM EST
My all time favourite, bar none.

I used to have a brilliant book on the making of the film, until I made the mistake of lending it to someone.

So many aspects of it resonate with me. Particularly the role of memories in the film...

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 10:55:20 AM EST
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As I've probably said before, I spent my Interview to go to university discussing this film with my Interviewer.

I can't realy justify buying a new copy till the dust settles on the latest round of the Format wars, and a decision has been made. but I am salivating about the idea of a HD version.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 11:10:42 AM EST
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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 12:23:43 PM EST
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Thanks for that, Sven, very interesting (xmas spirit - no really :-)) I disagree with Scott about the visual aspect - it's too rare that it's taken seriously in mainstream films - there are so many competent films that are little more than records of performances. At the same time (as I've already made clear) I don't have much time for ART or Experimental films - which too often ignore content and are too "self-indulgnet" (as Colman might put it :-)) and often just formal stuff about form. I saw too many boring student films like that. The docs were generally much more interesting - especially when done with some sense of how visual style could add to the content, not just decorate it.

Encouraging that at 70 he's still so busy - I know what he means about work like his making you feel alive - on a minor scale photography gives me that feeling, next year I hope to get back to film-making, but with the new technology which means that low-budget films become so much more viable and are limited largely by one's imagination.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 12:48:18 PM EST
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Blade Runner is great. Of course I must repeat (for those  who don't know) that Izzy was an extra in it...

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 11:31:33 AM EST
Well, if Izzy is in it I will have to rent it soon. Never was tempted to watch it, but now of course.....
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 11:35:53 AM EST
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Wow: must have her autograph....!

Which bit(s) of the film?

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 11:50:39 AM EST
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This is where it gets difficult... She was in crowd scenes and, despite crawling through the DVD, can't find herself in the final cut. But she was there, adding to the depth and complexity of the human dimension. That's what counts :)

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 12:02:27 PM EST
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Don't look at the faces, look for the shoes ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 12:24:29 PM EST
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I think she said it was supposed to be around the time when Zhora goes through the glass window, but apparently she was actually cut from the scene in the released version of the film, so you can't see her.  But she could be in outtakes that might be in that five-disc set, one never knows till one looks....

She's also said she never actually saw the film till years later.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 12:07:28 PM EST
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thats another reason to get the HD version of the Multi-disk spectacular.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 02:36:11 PM EST
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The new Final Cut will have added street scenes, but not in the Zhora scene: instead around the artifical eye manufacturer's scene.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 03:02:23 PM EST
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Glad to see there are so many fellow fans of the film - though the gender difference becomes apparent here too - it's a love story too gals ! :-) M. didn't like it - she had to look away a few times and only watched the whole film because I insisted in this case - she is very sensitive and gets nightmares. So I won't show her the Final Cut version, which I think has the more gory  version of the killing of the maker/Tyrell, boss of the corporation (though I now learn that in one version he was a replicant and the real boss was dead).  Another fascinating aspect of all the DVD info and the web sites is just how many variations were considered in the development of the script and the film.

One of the disappointments of my life is that there aren't  20 or a hundred films like Blade Runner - let alone the ones that could have been made if  he'd had double the budget and time. Oh well, given the nature of Hollywood it's good that at least this film got made. If only Scott had made Star Wars - what a series that could have been - for adults ! :-)

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 12:24:09 PM EST
Hmm.  I vaguely resent the idea that something must be a love story to appeal to women.  In fact, I'm on record as resenting that Hollywood feels it necessary to insert extraneous love stories into otherwise good films....
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 07:01:47 PM EST
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That's what ET needs to do to be more female friendly: insert love stories into the economic threads! Why did we never think of that?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 07:06:39 PM EST
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As John unfastened her bodice, he breathlessly declared: "Your GDP exhibits steady growth."

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 07:15:30 PM EST
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by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 07:22:36 PM EST
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come on, that story hardly has enough doom in for one of our stories. Although having nearly ended up at one point through a strange twist of fate writing photo stories for a teenag girls pop music and romance comic, Id say we've probably got enough photos of ETers to knock an economic/romantic story for ET with the judicios application of speach bubbles.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 07:45:57 PM EST
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Hmm.  Now that sounds like a worthwhile challenge.  Hmm.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Dec 25th, 2007 at 04:57:24 AM EST
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Why "vaguely" resent it - have the courage of your resentments :-)  There was a smiley after that - but, then again, there is a very big market for romantic novels and I don't really think it's due to guys buying and hiding them :-)

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Tue Dec 25th, 2007 at 09:41:09 AM EST
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Sorry for the late reply, I just noticed your response.

It's not a matter of courage, Ted, it's just not really in my nature to resent things.  But please let me know if I need to explain set theory to you, or why it's relevant to your answer.

Oh, and just for good measure, here:  ;-)  Feel better?

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 05:22:30 AM EST
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One of the disappointments of my life is that there aren't  20 or a hundred films like Blade Runner

Oh, I don't know... There's the Alien trilogy. That brings us to four, including Blade Runner. Then there's Ghost In The Shell (I know the genre is slightly different, but it's good none the less and has a similar theme). That's five, and that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure that if you and I ransacked our movie shelves, we'd find at least ten different SciFi moves of that calibre.

Considering how many Dunes have been made, one should think that at least one of them would be reasonably good. Alas, that doesn't appear to be the case.

- Jake

Ceterum censeo Chicago esse delendam

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Dec 25th, 2007 at 06:41:20 PM EST
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Ghost In The Shell, and it's sequel Innocence too, and the Cowboy Bebop movie all fit.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Dec 25th, 2007 at 07:19:00 PM EST
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You can leverage the internet for this.

Allmovie files this film under tech noir. Of that list, Dark City definitely has a similar atmosphere. The 'similar movies' listed on the film page are not all that similar, though The 5th Element is a bit similar thematically. Brazil, maybe a bit stylistically, though it has more absurdity that punctuates the atmosphere.

Now on Amazon, the customer recommendations for the version with the highest sales include Dark City, 12 Monkeys, The Road Warrior, The 5th Element, and Alien. IMDB does not come up with good suggestions (although I can't tell for I, Robot and Xscape because I haven't seen them).

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 09:00:44 PM EST
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I saw I, Robot, and I wouldn't call it tech noir. Dark City is an interesting association; for me the absurd elements in it would put it closer to Brazil, but the mood is indeed there.

But of all films mentioned, the Ghost in the Shell animes are closest, they are practically in the same Universe (only a decade later and on another continent). Which brings up Matrix as another association, having stolen so much from GitS (something I realised oly recently, having watched it for the first time only a few weeks ago).

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 04:07:46 AM EST
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I wouldn't say that Ghost in the Shell is set in the same world as Blade Runner. The same kind of world, yes, but Blade Runner is much, much more dystopic than GitS.

- Jake

Ceterum censeo Chicago esse delendam

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 07:47:30 AM EST
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Have you seen the sequel, Innocence?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 12:39:46 PM EST
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I remember more from Ghost in the Shell and the sequel Innocence than from Blade Runner. But from what I remember, the first part is more like Blade Runner whereas the second part is more psychedelic (or just plain weird, if you will). Dark City has some absurdity, but it's not the kind of Pythonesque absurdity that punctuates a pressing, dark atmosphere, like in Terry Gilliam's movies (where it is hard to escape the association with that kind of absurdity, especially when other members of his squad also come into play).
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 07:47:39 PM EST
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Hmmm... the movie is more dystopic, maybe. The world, that can be subject to a long and hard debate.

(as a partial offside, both GitS and the sequel quote heavily from the Bible; though in GitS this is hidden. But read 1 Corinthians 13. It's a good piece or prose/poetry (probably from a pre-new testament source) and via certain associations it will bring you to Three Colours)

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 08:02:30 PM EST
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They Might Be Giants starring George C. Scott.  Wonderful film and the scene in the grocery store is witty, wry, ironic, and hysterical.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bork! Bork! Bork!
by ATinNM on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 11:48:59 PM EST
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Happy Holidays Ted.

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 12:27:06 PM EST

Thanks LEP - and to you too. M just came in wearing a sensational dress - Scott would have approved :-) - and Weds we're off to Florence for 5 days - things don't get much better :-)

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 12:50:21 PM EST
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Does the making-of detail how and why Harrison Ford and Ridley Scott got so angry at each other during the shoot?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 03:04:19 PM EST

Yes it does, though it was probably more complex than can be considered in even a long doc. Basically Scott gave more attention to Sean Young, who was really young and Scott felt needed more guidance and reassurance. It's also hinted that Scott was a bit wary of Ford, who he thought very smart, so there wasn't a lot of interaction.  Also because Scott took so long setting up scenes, Ford was often left with nothing to do but get bored and fume for hours. Also they worked very long hours, and often in rain (artificial mostly).

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Tue Dec 25th, 2007 at 09:38:56 AM EST
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