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Bayrou's Strasbourg Europe speech

by oldfrog Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 07:14:12 PM EST


"European President", Bayrou will submit the new European Constitution to the French by referendum

STRASBOURG (AP) - "France needs a European president", hammered Monday in Strasbourg the UDFcandidate François Bayrou, who commited himself, in the event of victory, to submit a new European Constitution to the French by referendum.

"I want to speak about Europe in this election campaign when nobody speaks about it", he explained, paying a vibrating homage to the European project, "the most beautiful thing which was built (.) since humanity is humanity".

The UDF candidate thus wants that France "becomes again the major actor whom it should never have ceased being regarding the evolution of our continent".

Because the European project is in crisis. "In the current shape, the treaty will not be adopted", he estimated regarding the European constitutional treaty rejected by the French on May 29,2005. He appealed for the convocation of a new intergovernmental conference, charged with writing a "text readable by everyone, short, comprehensible and offering the necessary
democratic guarantees".

"This text, I do not want that it will be decided by short-circuiting the French. (...) Elected President of the Republic,  I will subject it to the referendum of the French this new text which will make Europe "a citizen's Europe". I will not decide in their place what they decided first once", he promised. "They voted. They have the right to be informed of the continuation of the events".

"I do not agree when (the UMP candidate) Nicolas Sarkozy says : "we will make  this text adopted by the Parliament without speaking to the French", he added. And "it will be necessary that the President of the Republic engages himself" in the referendum campaign. "He will not be the distant spectator of this story".

Far from a vision of Europe reduced to a free trade area, Francois Bayrou pled for a "union of Europe to change the world" and "to defend our model of society (...) our social values in particular".

In addition he warned "it is not enough to vote for somebody so that everything arranges itself". Regarding diplomacy, the fight against global warming, research, or immigration, "the national decisions will not be enough to regulate the problems".

He thus denounced the "tax competition" between the Member States of the EU and proposed a harmonization of the corporation tax.

In the same way, "none among us has the budgetary and political means to build national defenses. It is necessary that we have a European approach regarding defense". In particular, "it is necessary that we think of the way in which we treat our nuclear
armament within the European framework".

Pleading for a "European energy policy" vis-a-vis Russia which "has a political idea of the supply of gas", he tackled the socialist candidate: "I do not believe a word (...) of the feasibility of the engagement of Ségolène Royal, who claims that we will drop by 80 to 50% the share of the nuclear power in our national energy balance (...) Or then we open coal-poweredplants, i.e. we restart polluting!".

In the same way, "whoever will claim to control immigration within the national framework will not make it": "it is not with charter flights that one will settle the questions of immigration" but with "a policy of development of the African continent".

Credited with 13 to 14% of intentions of vote in the last surveys, Francois Bayrou was optimistic Monday, ensuring that "per hundreds of thousands and million the French are joining us". Pointing out the amazing level of the French debt, he invited his supporters "to ask explanations from Nicolas Sarkozy and Ségolène Royal, who every evening in their speeches promise tens of billion euros additional expenditure". AP

roughly translated from the French version


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(I'm reposting this comment from a subthread in Jerome's "Ségolène's big day - 'With me, never again will politics take ..." diary.)

While I like his vision and ambitions for a "union of Europe to change the world" and "to defend our model of society (...) our social values in particular", could you elaborate how his proposed policies would address the problems and concerns you have with Sarkozy's and Royal's "rhetoric" (I am doubtful you would agree to call them "proposals").

For example, according to the article you diaried:

Pointing out the amazing level of the French debt, he invited his supporters "to ask explanations from Nicolas Sarkozy and Ségolène Royal, who every evening in their speeches promise tens of billion euros additional expenditure".

So, what is Bayrou's position on French debt, and how to resolve the problem?

What does he propose to do about unemployment, pensions, and other issues that you have identified in other comment as urgent issues for France?

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 08:46:19 PM EST
Here's a crosslink to a discussion of this on a taxation thread the other day.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 01:49:20 AM EST
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Thanks.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 01:55:58 AM EST
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I'm going to try. The problem is translation.
by oldfrog on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 03:08:02 AM EST
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Or, just point me to specific parts of his website that you think would translate into concrete policies should he become president.

For example, an article in Le Monde this morning pointed me to his position on retirement.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 03:21:12 AM EST
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by oldfrog on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 03:46:33 AM EST
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Yes, I've been trying to read his "propositions".  I guess I was being greedy and was hoping for some "compare and contrast" analyses between his proposals and those of the other two candidates.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 03:55:22 AM EST
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Most of his stuff will come in a book at the end of the month. I have seen some shorter presentations of the core on some site but I lost the link.

I'd like to make something clear. I don't "root" for Bayrou because I think he is the "supreme savior" and probably a lot of his proposals can be criticized.

I only think that he is a better alternative in the current situation, his overall policies remind of normal social-democracy or christian-democracy from people that stablized and developed countries like Germany and the nordic countries.

The ideology is pragmatism and fairness

the two other candidates are only power hungry machines with horrible political backgrounds. Sego's background isn't better than Sarko's. To believe anything else is being delusional.

by oldfrog on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 04:15:05 AM EST
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Bayrou has some good reasons to be optimist, royal is in free fall (-2% even after showing her "program").
by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 09:46:58 PM EST
You crack me up. Dream on.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 01:50:05 AM EST
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a bit of course, but it s getting tuff for royal, bove is doing better and better.

if bove takes 2-3% and her still offering 2% per month to Bayrou, we will have an interesting Sarko-Bayrou ;-).

i would not bet on her.

by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 02:02:53 AM EST
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by oldfrog on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 03:25:38 AM EST
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yes, royal lost 8% in little bit more than a month and the trend looks quite linear.

if bove get his 500 signatures (and with his network, it is likely) they will have to start to worry seriously at the socialist party.

by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 03:36:35 AM EST
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  1. I don't think that her Sunday speech will give her more than a temporary marginal boost. It can even have the opposite result. I think that a lot of people have become really afraid of the leftist positions, they have heard that before and it didn't work.

  2. Her proposals - exactly as Mitterand did 1981 - would lead France direct into the wall. Which would mean a complete turnaround to "liberal" policies exactly like Mitterand. A whole generation hasn't forgotten that.

  3. it's probable that Bové will get his 500. The UMP will fix that.
by oldfrog on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 04:03:40 AM EST
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Real polls need more than one day to be made...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 03:04:04 AM EST
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that makes me take Bayrou seriously is that he is the only completely and unashamedly pro-European candidate in play. As it is a fundamental criteria for me, it matters.

So far, Royal's proposals on Europe are not bad.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 05:43:17 AM EST
Who will votes for Bayrou take away from more, Royal or Sarkozy?  Or is that unclear?

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 05:20:21 PM EST
From royal :

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by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 06:04:47 PM EST
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http://fr.news.yahoo.com/14022007/290/le-secretaire-ps-a-l-economie-eric-besson-a-demissionne.html

Obviously there is some internal battle about the costs of Segolene's proposals, despite denials...

in the current situation this is no good for the socialist campaign

see even here :

http://www.lemonde.fr/web/depeches/0,14-0,39-29774236@7-354,0.html

by oldfrog on Wed Feb 14th, 2007 at 08:15:45 PM EST
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if Royal does not improve her rating at the next polls (i think she will gain a bit), we can expect to enjoy the show of bloody mess like only the socialists can create.
by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Thu Feb 15th, 2007 at 01:30:10 AM EST
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