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Breaking news-Will it Affect The Election

by An American in London
Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 08:02:33 AM EST

Today; Reuters reported a 'dustup' between Sarkozy and Bayrou.What will it mean to Royal's campaign for the Bayrou's voters and if the story gains traction; will it remind the French electorate of the 'despot like' traits of Sarkozy?

France's Sarkozy in Furor Over Axed TV Debate

PARIS (Reuters) - France's rightwing presidential candidate Nicolas Sarkozy was embroiled in a free speech row on Friday after a defeated candidate accused him of stifling a televised election debate.
Francois Bayrou said Sarkozy had subverted basic democratic freedoms of free speech by using his media and business contacts to pull the plug on Saturday's scheduled debate on Canal+ television between him and Socialist challenger Segolene Royal.
Sarkozy's campaign director Claude Gueant said the accusations were a baseless slander and denounced what he said were ``Stalinist tactics'' by the centrist Bayrou.

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Breaking news-Will it Affect The Election | 23 comments (23 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Breaking news-Will it Effect The Election (none / 1)

How much effect it ultimately will have I'm not in a position to say, but it's a heap of bad press for the Sarkozy camp, who has to play defense. The more dents in his armor the better, I say. Now, if this dust-up pushes the debate towards Sarkozy's rather unhealthy relationship with the media, even better, but I don't expect the media to be criticizing themselves.
"Stalinist tactics" sounds like a quasi-Godwin moment to me, but it might be par for the course.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde

by NordicStorm on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 08:30:34 AM EST

Re: Breaking news-Will it Effect The Election (none / 0)

Some of my colleagues think it's one of the first big event.

I seriously doubt it will have much effect though, this is not really news about Nicolas Sarkozy.

by Laurent GUERBY on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 02:07:26 PM EST
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Re: Breaking news-Will it Effect The Election (4.00 / 2)

I don't know about affecting, but effecting it will not.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 08:44:07 AM EST

Re: Breaking news-Will it Effect The Election (none / 1)

I think the question is, will it have the affect on the election of effecting the election of Royal.

FWIW Google yields 2,050 "will it affect the election" and 9 "will it effect the election."

Jeff Wegerson - Prairie State Blue

by wegerje on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 05:09:40 PM EST
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Editing note (4.00 / 4)

I have provided a link to the article, put some of the text in a blockquote and cut the rest.

It is really bad form to copy and past full articles; the usual blogging practice is to provide a link, a reasonable extract (a few paragraphs) clearly identified as such, and whatever commentary or questions you may have.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 09:26:31 AM EST

Re: Editing note (none / 0)

I apologize for using the entire story in the body of the diary. I temporarily forgot what is the correct protocal since I have noticed you have about 10 stories posted, at best daily, and didn't think it was an imposition to place the entire story in the diary.

by An American in London on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 10:03:46 AM EST
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Re: Editing note (none / 1)

As I understand it, there are copyright issues involved. Posting the entire story could be construed as beyond any conceivable fair use (= copyright violation), particularly when not attributed.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 10:08:35 AM EST
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Re: Editing note (none / 0)

There are no copyright issues involved in posting an entire story unless there is a profit motive involved whether by the poster or the website where the story is posted. Since this site is a non profit site, as opposed to others; there is no issue in posting columns, stories etc.

by An American in London on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 10:13:45 AM EST
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Is this a difference between US and EU ... (none / 1)

... electronic copyright laws? There certainly is no not-for-profit exclusion in the US for making more than fair use of copyrighted material, unless the copyright holder explicitly permits the not-for-profit use of the material.

Of course, at one time in the not to distant past, there was advertising on this site, which would have made the point moot.

Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 10:43:27 AM EST
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Re: Is this a difference between US and EU ... (none / 1)

There's barely any concept at all of fair use in the UK.

Posting an entire article is certainly not a good idea, in any case.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 10:54:13 AM EST
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In a country were truth is not a total defense ... (none / 0)

... against a libel suit, I would be very surprised if the UK had the same idea as fair use as the US.

Of course, when Dickens toured the US, he was first thrilled by his reception, until he found out that so many Americans read his works because they were available in cheap pirated editions ... on which point he became outraged.

Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 01:20:08 PM EST
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Re: Editing note (none / 0)

If the original content is for profit, reposting in full takes away revenue from the publisher whether or not it's reposted for profit.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 10:58:41 AM EST
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Re: Editing note (none / 0)

The Reuters copyright notice says, in part:

Users may download and print extracts of content from this website for their own personal and non-commercial use only.

(It's in a popup box that won't work as a link, but it's at the bottom of every Reuters page.)

Incidentally, although IANAL, I find it somewhat vague as to whether this sort of use is permissible, but I don't really want to go there.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 11:03:11 AM EST
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Re: Editing note (none / 0)

ET may be non-commercial, but it is not personal. IANAL, etc.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 11:15:41 AM EST
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Re: Editing note (none / 0)

Ah. But what is more personal than a diary? ;-)

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 11:28:31 AM EST
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Re: Editing note (none / 0)

True, one could argue one's diary is one's own personal blog.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 11:30:07 AM EST
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That, then, says blockquotes are OK ... (none / 0)

... but a whole article is not an "extract of content", which reinforces current Eurotrib policy.

Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 01:22:08 PM EST
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Re: Editing note (none / 1)

It's not a big deal, but we do try to be careful in general on ET, and it's also a way to encourage original content!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 11:15:25 AM EST
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Re: Editing note (none / 0)

This sort of stuff usually goes into the Salon, anyway.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 11:16:28 AM EST
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Re: Breaking news-Will it Affect The Election (4.00 / 3)

it definitely will affect the election. Thanks to her move (proposing a meeting/debate with Bayrou), Royal took the initiative in the campaign, which was seldom the case during the campaign for the first round. And the momentum is on Royal's side.

True or not (I should say direct or indirect...), attempts by Sarkozy's team to pressurise the media illustrate what many people fear from Sarkozy. In fact, it is exactly the reason Bayrou gives for not voting Sarkozy...

It seems a lot of young people who voted Bayrou are considering voting Royal.

Will it be enough? Times will tell...

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char

by Melanchthon on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 12:16:59 PM EST

Re: Breaking news-Will it Affect The Election (none / 1)

Is this a part of the initiative?

Royal Accuses Rival of Apology to Bush on Iraq; Sarkozy Denies It

by das monde on Sat Apr 28th, 2007 at 06:26:20 AM EST
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Re: Breaking news-Will it Affect The Election (none / 1)

Here's more on his visit to the U.S. last September.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/09/12/news/sarko.php

"You must have loathed us then" he said in a speech referring to France's refusal to give UN sanction to the Iraq invasion, let alone offer military support.

The article then goes on to subtly criticise Royal for visiting EU capitols, failing to mention that EU treaties bind France more closely with its EU allies with whom it shares a parliament .

Hard to take Sarkozy at his word. Here he travels to the U.S. on government funds, arranges a surprise meeting with Bush and upstages his political patron, expressing contrition for France, if not an outright apology. Perhaps he was more apologetic in private.

Other archived articles were behind pay walls.

L'inteligence sans volonté n'aboutit à rien, n'est-ce pas?... Mais, la volonté sans intelligence?... Catastrophe!... Celine

by kagaka (kagaka [zav] yahoo [tecka] com) on Sun Apr 29th, 2007 at 06:43:54 PM EST
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Re: Breaking news-Will it Affect The Election (none / 1)

Ipsos.fr - Présidentielle 2007 - dernières tendances au 27 avril

Dans l'ensemble, les reports de voix extrême-gauche/PC/Verts restent largement favorables à S. Royal (59%, contre 34% de non exprimés et 7% vers Nicolas Sarkozy). Presque symétriquement, le candidat UMP capte 57% de l'électorat de JM. Le Pen (27% de non exprimés, 16% vers S. Royal).
* Les électeurs de F. Bayrou sont en revanche partagés : 34% pensent voter S. Royal, 28% N. Sarkozy (38% de non exprimés).

Overall, Sarko dropped 1% to 53% vs. 47% Royal.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 05:27:15 PM EST

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