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Local Warming

by DoDo
Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 03:55:33 AM EST

A heat wave is peaking here right now... One of my rooms at home didn't cool under 26°C in the morning despite open windows. It's 32°C right now in my office (under a damn flat roof). Outside, it is 35°C, while some parts of Hungary are predicted to see 38°C today. For comparison, Yahoo's prediction for Stormy in Cairo is 35°C. These temperatures are normal for August, except August is dry and now we have high humidity.

I hear Nomad scolding me to not confuse weather and climate, but I'd say one year of temperatures when even most minimums are above the hundred-year averages is not a simple case of extreme weather.

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[UPDATE ]The records for 21 June to beat were (corrected!) 37.0°C for Hungary from 1908, and 35.4°C for Budapest from 2002. The latter was broken (35.7°C), the former not (35.9°C max).

Courtesy of the Hungarian Meteorological Office, here is the deviation from the daily average from September last year to February this year, averaged for all of Hungary:

For later months, they have different kind of graphs, this time for Budapest only:


From my daily following of weather reports, the trend continued ever since, but I found no graphs or data records on-line.

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My grandfather died during the 2000 heatwave...

*Traitor*, n.
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by DoDo on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 09:57:19 AM EST
I made this picture (and posted it) on 12 January:

An article in News Scientist says:

Freak winter is Europe's warmest for 700 years - earth - 20 June 2007 - New Scientist Environment

Separately, the temperatures experienced during autumn 2006 and winter 2007 are likely to have been the warmest in 500 years, they say. But the sequential combination of two such warm seasons is a still rarer event - probably the first since 1289.

Nomad or anyone, do you know more about this?

Luterbacher says the 1289 temperatures may have been caused by a large volcanic eruption in the tropics


*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 10:14:05 AM EST
is a professor who has particularly specialised in historical written records of the climate - which I find an interesting approach. The last work I read of him (years ago, in 2004) however mentioned that it was very hard to look further than 1500 AD, so the above makes sense to me.

The 1289 date, however, comes like a rabbit out of a hat to me. Have not heard of this before. (Large volcanic eruptions can indeed lead to regional warming (see example from Pinatubo here), even when it leads to global cooling.

by Nomad on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 04:25:22 AM EST
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I was thinking since that maybe he doesn't mean an identified volcanic erruption, but maybe a sediment layer, and his specifying of the tropics as its location may be a meteorologist's speculation based on the Pinaturbo effect.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 04:49:28 AM EST
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the date is based on an ash layer found in ice core(s). A sediment layer already means you have a vague idea of the location; you're nearer to the source. "Tropics" is a bit too vague.
by Nomad on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 05:29:09 AM EST
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...and then the storm came:

from 33 to 18°C in twenty minutes, it was quite spectacular. But I guess you in Western Europe had the pleasure already.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 03:59:48 PM EST
This morning I saw a couple of broken trees, and incredible amounts of torn-off branches. The storm was apparently worst just in the capital, tho' 110 km/h gusts aren't that extreme. Some storm photos from Index.hu:

There was a storm on the morning of 5 June too, when two cars and the driver of one got stuck in a railway underpass (I passed it on a commuter train without knowing), photos from InfoRádió.hu:




*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 05:11:47 AM EST
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The weather here is unusal too. It is warm and muggy, not really hot and we have lots of thunderstorms. I just read that we had 141.1 l per m2 in June instead of the usual 87 l per m2. Today the river finally started to rise and flooding.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 04:17:22 PM EST
It was 39 C here (Athens) today - and it seems it'll reach 42 by Sunday - and it will stay above 40 at least until Tuesday. We're going to roast. And yes, this is unseasonally hot even for Athens (in June)

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake
by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 05:11:07 PM EST
we get that kind of heat here in california every year, but usually not until july-augist, and even then it cools down at night.
by wu ming on Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 at 01:23:52 AM EST
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Same thing here: 40s are usual in July and August, but not mid-June. BTW the forecast now is that we'll be around or over 40 until Thursday and possibly until the end of the month. Not nice.

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake
by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 at 05:16:03 AM EST
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We've known all along that pumping more heat into a chaotic system would manifest as more rapid state changes and greater extrema, i.e., more rapid shifts between more extreme conditions.  Even in my area, a temperate/mediterranean climate almost ideal for Anglo-Euros, we see a perceptible shifting of the goal posts with hotter hot spells transitioning more abruptly into colder cold spells.  The climate here is tempered by a massive heat sink in the form of a large shallow (geographically) and deep (vertically) bay.  Inland, in mountain ranges and valleys, hot spells are hotter, rainfall is lower and winds are higher than average.  Freakish windy weather damaged stonefruit crops this year and drought threatens the late summer crops.

Six scientists from some of the leading scientific institutions in the United States have issued what amounts to an unambiguous warning to the world: civilisation itself is threatened by global warming.

    They also implicitly criticise the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) for underestimating the scale of sea-level rises this century as a result of melting glaciers and polar ice sheets.

    Instead of sea levels rising by about 40 centimetres, as the IPCC predicts in one of its computer forecasts, the true rise might be as great as several metres by 2100. That is why, they say, planet Earth today is in "imminent peril".

    In a densely referenced scientific paper published in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society A some of the world's leading climate researchers describe in detail why they believe that humanity can no longer afford to ignore the "gravest threat" of climate change.

    "Recent greenhouse gas emissions place the Earth perilously close to dramatic climate change that could run out of control, with great dangers for humans and other creatures," the scientists say. Only intense efforts to curb man-made emissions of carbon dioxide emissions and other greenhouse gases can keep the climate within or near the range of the past one million years, they add.

footnote

Nomad may well scold us all as pollopequenistas (Chicken-Little-ists for the Spanish-impaired) but the science wonks are right to point this out

"Civilisation developed, and constructed extensive infrastructure, during a period of unusual climate stability, the Holocene, now almost 12,000 years in duration. That period is about to end," the scientists warn. Humanity cannot afford to burn the Earth's remaining underground reserves of fossil fuel. "To do so would guarantee dramatic climate change, yielding a different planet from the one on which civilisation developed and for which extensive physical infrastructure has been built," they say.

The foolish belief that civilisation is the base condition for agriculture -- rather than the other way around -- fuels, so to speak, the notion that "land is not productive" and that what we do to our climate, water, and soil is less important than the games we play in cities with money, laws, hierarchy, costumes, ranks, rituals, etc.

Without robust biotic infrastructure and the climatic stability it encourages -- a huge pyramid of life on whose narrow tip we perch, top predator species, rapidly simplifying and eroding the pyramid beneath us -- we don't eat, or breathe (oxygen, anyone?) or drink (watersheds that provide our potable water depend on snowpack for storage and on complex networks of vegetation, soil porosity, etc to slow its downward rush to the sea).  How often and how loudly do we have to say this?  We can't eat an iPod.  A car doesn't give milk.  We can't plant a dollar bill and grow a shirt.   Ubiquitous WiFi can't pollinate an orchard.  Industrial chemicals can destroy life, but they can't create it.  Our technologies are contrabiotic, i.e. they are corroding the pyramid of self-organising life out from under us.

If our civilisation falls -- all bets are off -- it could be said that it was because we allowed merchants, bankers, and engineers to dream that they were more important than farmers;  and then we tried to turn farmers into merchants, bankers, and engineers, and food into a fungible commodity and an industrial product.  We even tried to commodify the rain (Bechtel in Bolivia).

Or perhaps it was because we invented a new religion (neolib economics) that justified and promoted our worst habits better than any previous religion...

Or perhaps we really aren't, in the aggregate, any smarter than yeast?

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 05:31:02 PM EST
pollopequenistas (Chicken-Little-ists for the Spanish-impaired)

You mean the Spanglish-impaired, surely.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 06:49:02 PM EST
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yes sorry, that's of course not a native Spanish term, and I shoulda said "for the Latinate root impaired" or something like that.  not sure where that one comes from -- I don't think I made it up, maybe I read it someplace or heard it on the bus?  otoh there is no google hit for it which seems fishy... maybe I did make it up?  the "-ista" ending seems to be seeping into non-Hispanophone US English, as in 'fashionista', btw.

my apologies for any implication that this was an echt Spanish word!

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 07:07:16 PM EST
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I don't think many in Spanish-speaking countries know who Chicken Little is in the first place.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 04:28:00 AM EST
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wow -- T Boone Pickens goes wind-powered?

Lubbock, Texas - Billionaire T. Boone Pickens is planning to cash in on the wind energy boom by building the world's largest wind farm in West Texas.

    The oil tycoon wants to install large wind turbines in parts of four Panhandle counties in a project that would produce up to 4,000 megawatts of electricity.

    If Pickens' company, Mesa Power LP, does build the wind farm it would be the largest in the world, American Wind Energy Association spokeswoman Susan Williams Sloan said. It would generate more than five times the 735 megawatts produced at the present largest wind farm near Abilene.

Sometimes when I hear people talking about how renewables can "never" meet realistic needs (usually w/o reviewing consumption or attempting any realistic definition of "realistic"), I hear the echo of confident pronouncements of the past...

"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers ."
-Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943
"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
-Bill Gates, 1981
"This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us,"
-Western Union internal memo, 1876
"I don't know what use any one could find for a machine that would make copies of documents. It certainly couldn't be a feasible business by itself."
-the head of IBM, refusing to back the idea, forcing the inventor to found Xerox.
"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
-Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977
footnote

this is the closest I get to cheerful, so do try to appreciate it while it lasts... :-)

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 07:33:24 PM EST
Okay, you made me laugh (relax -- it was bitter), thanks!

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 07:39:27 PM EST
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Pickens has also said that we were at Peak Oil:  Boone Pickens Warns of Petroleum Production Peak
But he also said "[w]e're going to have to use shale oil the western slope of the Rockies. That's going to happen. The technology is just about here" so he may be going batty.
by Fete des fous on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 06:33:55 PM EST
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I think that, as in the Alberta boondoggle, that translates to "and I think I can make a killing selling the equipment or building the roads or managing the project."  Doesn't matter if it really works or not, so long as credulous investors believe it will.

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...
by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 at 12:11:01 AM EST
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The extremely warm period until mid January seems to have occurred across most of the Northern Hemisphere.  And now it's hot and dry.

Where I'm at in Eastern Indiana, the grass has gone brown a full month early, and there's been very, very little rain.  And it's been warm, like 30-32°C until it cooled down last week.  

On the plus side, coming back home after a month away at my apartment looking for a summer job, the little garden I reclaimed from the grassy backyard has taken off.  Fertilizer does wonders.  I set it up so all my mother has to do is water, and my 4 little cucumber plants have about 100-150 cucumbers on the way.  There's probably 200-250 tomatoes, and another 100 or so peppers on the way.  All this out off a patch barely 2 square meters.  

Here in the US, it's almost a given that a house that's maybe 125-150 square meters will sit on a minimum 700 square meter lot.  And if you're willing to play with the dirt a little, I see that you could easily grow enough food to fulfill half a families food needs on 40-50 square meters.  Which I suspect may become something the urban dwellers become accustomed to as the growth of biofuels starts consuming corn previously used for food.

I had a long conversation with my uncle yesterday who in a previous life was a county agricultural exchange agent.  Because of the lack of rain, the corn field down the street from him never took off.  As bio-fuels start to make economies dependent on converting corn to fuel, that's going to suck up crops previously dumped on underdeveloped countries.  Which of course means that famines are in the offing to make the car culture sustainable.  I much prefer bio-diesel, so that the corn is raised, fed to animals, animals make manure, manure is converted to fuel.  It's a circular approach.

Back to my original tangent, I think that urban gardening, particularly in those countries with a tradition of a yard, or front and rear "garden", is going to become a more visible aspect of life.  And I thought about how nice it would be to use the power of social networking to create trading networks where people exhange crops they have in excess for things that they want.  The older I get, the more interesting this becomes.  There's something about working earth that's appealing.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 09:41:30 PM EST
On a 20' by 20' patch of garden I've grown enough veggies to feed me and Ms. ATinNM for a year.  In another part of the yard I had a 'berry plantation: straw, rasp, boysen, and goose.  That give us 'trade-ables' for our neighbors for chicken and eggs.  The diary farmer wouldn't trade - the bum - so we had to buy milk.  A previous owner had planted apple, pear, cherry, and plum trees.  I built a unheated cold-frame and we had brassicas  out-our-ears until February.  (In the middle of an Iowa winter!)  I could have maintained it through Spring but we had a freezer full of food we needed to eat and we were getting kinda tired of Swiss Chard.

With the non-eatable (to humans) parts of the plants I could have fed-out a lamb, two if I had used the rest of the yard as a pasture with movable fencing.  That would have provided enough meat for about 4 months.  

True it was a large back yard, about 75 by 125 but it shows what can be done.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 11:34:58 PM EST
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most urbanites have little familiarity with.  I grew up in a small housing development about 2 miles (3 km) out of town, and when I was very small we had a huge, huge garden (100'x20', or about 200 square meters)  I remember we had like 5-6 rows of corn, an enormous amount of tomatoes, cucumbers, zucchini, green beens.  And we had a massive pear tree, that probably dropped 200 lbs (90kg) of pears, and an arbor with grapes.

All of this seemed very normal to me.  I remember helping my mother can, and my father weed as a little kid.  I didn't realize how out of the ordinary this was until I went to college.  People are just accustomed to going to the store and buying produce without thinking about where it comes from.  Even simple things like the old truck farms that used to exist at the urban fringe have dissappeared.  I was shocked to read that Havana gets 50% of its vegetables from inside the city.  This is really amazing when you think of it.  The oil inputs in terms of fertilizer, tractors, and transportation to market produced by large scale agriculture that exports produce hundreds if not thousands of miles are an easy source of demand reduction.  Community gardens are an easy approach here.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 01:07:06 AM EST
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Can I request a series of diaries about urban agriculture?

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 05:01:31 AM EST
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Sounds like there may be more possibilities for agriculture in N.A. suburbs than I thought - after one rebuilds the topsoil.

Thinking about it a bit more - My wife and I use to own 8 row houses with very deep back yards. max 20' X 60' available for gardens. Someone came around one day and said that they lived in one of the houses during the depression. Back then each house had a garden attached to it.


We are for Justice and Mercy, and Truth and Peace, and true Freedom. Edward Burroughs 1659

by edwin on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 08:49:15 AM EST
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All I know about urban agriculture:

a.)  From somewhere, a long time ago, I read if the landscaping plantings of the City of Los Angles were food, rather than decorative, plants it would feed the homeless and poor of LA.  I do not know if this is true.

b.)  In the late 70s, in New York City, a group of people got together and started an herbarium in the Bronx.  They supplied high-quality fresh herbs to the upscale resturants of the city.  They kept their transportation costs to a minimum by using the subway - which I thought was rather smart of them.  -- Source New York Times, at the time, IIRC.

c.)  Some US cities have public land set aside for gardening.  In LA you could rent a patch of ground, including water costs (!), for $25/year (1983 price.)  There was a limit on the number of plots a family could rent and the products of the garden could not be sold.  People obeyed the first edict, AFAIK, and got around the second by barter.  

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 10:28:11 AM EST
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I've been posting about urban and suburban agriculture since the Beginning, but as comments not diaries...  and before that, at MoA...

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...
by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 at 12:00:06 AM EST
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Have you ever written about Havana?

I'm getting a kick out of this.  I didn't realize how much urban agriculture there is.

I spent several hours floating around the internet thinking about what to write for a diary.

And my favorite was running into this set of dig for victory pamphlets.  Like their US counterpart the Victory garden program, during the Second World War millions of pounds of produce came from small city plots and allottments.  In the US, the amount of produce produced from victory gardens was the same as the entire pre war commercial harvest.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 at 09:57:46 AM EST
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I much prefer bio-diesel, so that the corn is raised, fed to animals, animals make manure, manure is converted to fuel.  It's a circular approach.

beg to differ with both hands waving :-)

that ain't circular at all.  it would be circular if the offal from slaughtering the animals, and all of their manure, were returned to the soil (as in Polyface Farm for example, or most any traditional farm).  but if you take the manure and (basically) burn it, that's interrupting the circularity with a dead loss.  the fuel gets burned and doesn't convert back to something that grows grass or feeds animals or people...  instead goes into the atmosphere as pollution and heat...

after subtracting the soil nutrients by stealing the manure (and btw this kind of implies CAFO conditions), you end up with a soil deficit that has to be remedied by external inputs, which in turn have to be transported somehow -- like, by burning more fuel?

no free lunch, remember?  the fossil fuel binge was one long gluttonous "free" lunch, but not really.

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 at 12:09:05 AM EST
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after subtracting the soil nutrients by stealing the manure (and btw this kind of implies CAFO conditions), you end up with a soil deficit that has to be remedied by external inputs, which in turn have to be transported somehow -- like, by burning more fuel?

The thing about using livestock manure is that pigs and cows in turn are fed to another large animal that poops a lot.

People.

The strategic use of solar wastewater from cities could reduce if not eliminate that soil deficit caused by subtracting animal manure from the cycle.  Up until the 1940s to 1950s they commonly used treated city sewage as fertilizer for farms here in the Eastern US.    Assuming that it's possible to use solar to treat wasterwater to gray water status (not drinkable, but clean enough for agriculture, you can convert what is now a waster into a valuable commodity.

In places of water scarcity like southern Spain and much of Africa and the subcontinent, this could be particularly useful. This implies some energy loss, thermodynamics and such, but at a much reduced rate compared to fossil fuels.  

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 at 11:51:06 AM EST
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[like the .sig btw]

you don't need any energy-intensive "treatment" for human wastes -- time and redworms, or less time and thermophilic bacteria (composting) will do the trick, producing lovely compost that is perfectly safe to apply to the land.  our whole flush toilet system is insane, to put it mildly -- polluting water and wasting energy at every turn.  there is no need for flush toilets in the first place -- all 'waste' water should be greywater and easily cleaned up by a "slime monster" or (on a larger scale) a functional wetland...

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 at 02:50:05 PM EST
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Where i live, our winter is becoming freezing with a chilling 18*C and 11*C at night, i turned on the heater last night for the first time of the year.

:-)))

by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 01:25:30 AM EST
Another thing I would hope Nomad or some other geo-science-knowledgeable could comment on. In a comment to my previous hot-weather-bemoaning diary, I wrote:

There was one thunderstorm just over Budapest. Another was just approaching my hometown. And the two were connected by a giant S-shaped, narrow dark band of clouds with sharp contours (bridging a distance of c. 20 km, but longer due to the bends). As I neared home, it seemed that the S-shaped cloud is moving towards/winding up on the second stormcoud.

Anyone ever seen someting similar?

Now I find that something very similar was photographed the day before (credit is due to Attila Schné from Vesztprém):

The accompanying article (in Hungarian) calls the band of clouds above a "pseudo cold front", and explains that it is created by the outward running winds of a storm cell chain, because that wind is 'ordered' and thus creates a mini cold front.

If that explanation is right, and also applies to what I saw, it still remains to be explained how a spiral form could have been formed, and how at least one end could connect to the storm cell's actual clouds.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 03:21:41 AM EST
I don't understand meteorology. Trying to, though.
by Nomad on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 04:27:17 AM EST
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by Nomad on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 04:36:08 AM EST
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Check out this picture from Wikipedia:

I have to say the articles on meteorology in the wikipedia read like a closed book.

Maybe what you saw was a "squall line"?

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 04:59:29 AM EST
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"Read like a closed book", didn't know that expression, but it fits. I had to search further, in the end this is the way I could make sense of it:

  • A squall line is a zone with strong surface winds, thus they way I understood it, the entire line of storm clouds are to be seen as part of it. (The infamous white squall is when there are no clouds just wind.)

  • A shelf cloud is created ahead of the storm by the gust front, e.g. the outflow of cold air from the downdraft: the cold air lifts warm moist air ahead of it and water vapor condenses. Your picture and Schné~s show a shelf cloud. However, shelf clouds usually estnd upwards to connect to the storm cloud proper, so what I saw was not one.

  • There are however so-called roll clouds too, also formed by outflows, but there is a detached circulation along a horizontal axis. Here are photos:


* In multiple cell systems, roll clouds (and shelf clouds too?) can remain as one cell dissipates, and new cells can form or strengthen on the boundary of a roll cloud. So this is most likely what I saw: roll cloud created by a dissipated cell was caught up with by the cell next to it, while another cell formed on and ahead of it on the other end.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 at 10:13:38 AM EST
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but it has been rather mild of late by central valley summer standards, only a week over 100 F (38 C), and then back into the low 90s (33 C or so). we had a rather warm winter (with a couple bad freezes), albeit nowhere near as freakishly warm as what you guys had in europe.

then again, since california's "normal" climate is itself a rather erratic swing between extremes of all sorts (hot, cold, floods, drought), i suspect that we'd be the last to notice catastrophic climate shifts.

the global warming-driven early melting of the sierra nevada snowpack will certainly cause catastrophic problems here, since we are generally bone-dry in the summer and fall, and depend almost exclusively on that meltwater for half of the year.

by wu ming on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 03:53:13 AM EST
Currently in Southern Ontario we are having a cool spell - read normal temperatures. On Monday we should be back up to July/august temperatures in the low to mid 30's.

We have definitely had a lack of rain - one rainfall in 3 weeks - and it was quite the storm.

Just because you all might not be depressed enough I will present this:

Do you agree that Canada will benefit from global warming?

Yes 66% 11433 votes
No 34% 6007 votes

Total votes: 17440

Globe and Mail

We went to pick strawberries at a you-pick farm. The farmer is normally open for 28 days. This year it should be about 12 and he is pushing it. The heat is not helping, but the big thing is that for the first time in his 29 years white grubs destroyed a third of his strawberry plants. The problem, he figures, is that the weather was not cold enough and too many white grubs survived the winter.


We are for Justice and Mercy, and Truth and Peace, and true Freedom. Edward Burroughs 1659

by edwin on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 09:00:52 AM EST
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It must be a coalition of easterners who freeze their butt in the winter and have no idea what's happening to the canadian forest out West, and Albertans who are ready to cash in on the tar sands. Many people seem to believe that arable land will become productive up North with rising temps but I haven't read anything quantitive and whether it would even offset the cost of droughts to agriculture in the plains.
by Fete des fous on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 07:12:42 PM EST
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Canadian landscape is rocks and trees. The part of Canada that is not rocks and trees is trees and rocks.

Seriously though, The Canadian shield is a massive bit of very ancient stone covered by a light dusting of soil. It covers about half of Canada. Huge sections of the north are not farmable under any conditions as there is no soil.

The Canadian Shield was the first part of North America to be permanently elevated above sea level and has remained almost wholly untouched by successive encroachments of the sea upon the continent. It is the earth's greatest area of exposed Archaean rock. The metamorphic base rocks are mostly from the Precambrian Era (between 4.5 billion and 540 million years ago), and have been repeatedly uplifted and eroded. Today it consists largely of an area of low relief (1,000-2,000 ft/305-610 m above sea level) with a few monadnocks and low mountain ranges (including the Torngat and Laurentian Mountains) probably eroded from the plateau during the Cenozoic era. During the Pleistocene epoch, continental ice sheets depressed the land surface (see Hudson Bay), scooped out thousands of lake basins, and carried away much of the region's soil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Shield

Note the words exposed Archaean rock.


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by edwin on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 11:46:39 PM EST
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I can second that, having stomped over a few acres owned by friends in BC.  The river valleys are fantastic (ah that dense alluvial [is that the right word?] soil) as is the Okanagan Valley which I guess is an ancient lake or sea bed kind of like California's amazing central valley;  but a lot of Canada seems to be trees clinging to rocks, not having had enough temperate millennia yet to lay down a really good coat of topsoil.  You can do a lot with a rocky biome like this by "pocket ag" where you fill in natural pockets in the rocks with imported topsoil... but it's not exactly the Great Plains just waiting for the plough.

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...
by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 at 12:04:26 AM EST
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My initial reaction to the expansion of agriculture northward with warming was essentially similar to Edwin's and yours (lack of suitable soils), but that Environment Canada also briefly mentions that very possibility for both Quebec and Alberta (A Window on Climate Change in Canada
). As I said, I haven't read a single study on the topic and I don't know much about soils, but I tend to trust EC. Perhaps unjustifyably though, since even the FAO seems to think there are few suitable soils for agriculture in northern Canada: See plate 27: Soil constraints combined
by Fete des fous on Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 at 03:23:53 PM EST
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puts 2 and 2 together and wakes up to the connection between global warming, bug infestations and forst fires burning up their product, that we'll see a lot more movement on the issue.
by wu ming on Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 at 01:20:15 AM EST
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Ironically, there is already too much movement on the part of logging interests according to the Sierra club and loggers unions. Logging companies have used the pine beetle infestation to over-harvest unaffected fir and spruce trees.

I remembered reading a nice presentation of the pine beetle problem in the Rockies in the New York Times at the beginning of the year: In the Rockies, Pines Die and Bears Feel It

by Fete des fous on Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 at 03:40:38 PM EST
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In the mean time in Portugal we are having a unusually long Spring, with temperatures around 22°C and characteristically unstable weather. Seems next week will get warmer and sunnier.
by Torres on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 09:46:26 AM EST
Same cool trend in Spain, where temps only reach the 30's in the south.  So far this year, I have slept with the window open only one night and normally I'd start from May on.

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by metavision on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 03:43:48 PM EST
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Not surprisingly, it's cool in SW France too. It was fine in early May, then rainy passages and clouds set in.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 03:50:42 PM EST
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In Budapest, the average temp over the past year was 3degC greater than the average mean ...

More locations here:
Temperature: Global temperature time series

Precipitation: Global precipitation time series

by Fete des fous on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 06:59:16 PM EST
Heh, they get and publish data they got from the meteorological service here faster than the meteorological service publishes itself...

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by DoDo on Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 at 09:04:59 AM EST
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NOAA has staff dedicated to web production.
by Fete des fous on Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 at 03:43:30 PM EST
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There is power in going back over local records and pointing toward the growing irregularity of weather patterns and how these changes seem to fit within expectations of what will come with Global Warming.

See, for example, "Just no normal weather anymore. Anywhere."

Now, of course, Global Warming Deniers are more seriously a problem in the US, but, as Jerome highlighted recented for all of us, there are prominent people (unbelievable about Vaclav Klaus' denier OPED) in Europe who could be puppets for Dick Cheney on this issue.

(If interested, excellent Rolling Stone article: The Secret Campaign of President Bush's Administration To Deny Global Warming.

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by a siegel (siegeadATgmailIGNORETHISdotPLEASEcom) on Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 at 07:17:54 AM EST


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