Votanikos Today

by deviousdiva
Fri Jun 8th, 2007 at 04:22:46 AM EST

Originally posted at THIS IS NOT MY COUNTRY

I was at the Roma settlements in Votanikos again yesterday. Everyone living there is under imminent threat of illegal eviction. What does that mean? They have not been served eviction papers and no alternative housing has been found as required by European and International law. Some of the families have already been bribed by the building contractors (a 1000 euros per family) to leave. There is no way of proving that money changed hands but enough people were willing to speak on camera to the journalists present to convince us that this did happen.

From the diaries - afew


I am angry and I am sickened. I am sick of seeing this total disregard for other human beings. I am sick of seeing children running around barefoot in this filthy place. I am sick of hearing that they cannot wash properly because of the lack of even one single tap. I am sick of seeing children with mouthfuls of rotting teeth and covered in scars due to playing in this lethal environment. I am sick of seeing babies covered in mosquito bites and hearing young girls complain about rats.

They are being lied to. The municipality is lying about the situation there. The building contractors want this land for the new Panathinaikos football stadium and a huge commercial area worth millions of euros of future revenue. It's not about revitalising this run down area of town. It is not about creating green spaces or building playgrounds or affordable housing or sporting facilities for citizens or anything that will benefit future generations in any way. It's about profit and personal wealth for the few that have their hands in the pie.

The filth and the rot in Votanikos was of no interest to anyone until there was big profit to be made. The families that live there were of no interest to anyone until they got in the way. The same happened with the 2004 Olympic Games and in Patras when it became European City of Culture. Suddenly, the rubbish needs to be cleared and the people who have made their homes there will be swept away too. Very few people really care where they go as long as they are not there.

The big wealthy contractors and their fancy lawyers can "express their concern" about the people they are throwing out on the streets as much as they like. They can say how much they care about these families until they are blue in the face. They are lies. If they are not lies, why were they trying to do it as secretly and as quietly as they can ? Why are they trying to bribe people to leave ? Why are they not going to the authorities and pressuring them to provide alternative housing for the people they are seeking to evict ? It is not so difficult for wealthy, powerful people to get things done.

It is frustrating and painful to keep going to Votanikos and hear the same thing over and over again. I was able to communicate that frustration to one of the people I was there with who I respect a great deal. She put it better than I could. ( I paraphrase from memory because it stuck with me. Let me know if I have got this wrong)

"You have to remember that when you are at the bottom of the ladder, when you are illiterate and uneducated, when you have no idea that you HAVE rights, let alone what those rights are, you will react in very different ways than those that are expected and "acceptable". Maybe you will take the money because NOW matters much more than your uncertain future. Maybe you will take your chances and move to another location and wait until further eviction orders are filed. Maybe you will stay and vow to fight your eviction"

All of the people I talked to wanted only one thing. A home. For their families. For their children. This is especially poignant for me at the moment as I am searching for a new home for my family. The difference is that I have a choice. I am able to be fussy about where we move to. I want a garden or at least a sizeable balcony where I can entertain friends and grow all my plants. I want a bigger bathroom and kitchen than we have now. I want two bedrooms and perhaps an office. I want central heating. I want good neighbours and proximity to shops. I want.... I am not having to choose between this rubbish dump or this abandoned building.

This women is homeless. She has lived her whole life without the choices I have had. She is currently sleeping on a piece of cardboard on a concrete floor in a building with no walls. How can I look her in the eye and say that I am here to try and DO something ? Could you ?

I have been unable to do ANYTHING for the people I have got to know at Votanikos. They know me now but the frustration is building. How can I face them and say that I am on their side when I have nothing to offer except trying to put the word out to the small world I can reach ? When they have no idea what blogging is (and even if they did know it wouldn't change anything for them) ?

How can I go back and chat with these little girls without any concrete plans. Without any solutions. Without even an idea of where they will be living in a few days/weeks time ?

The truth is that they will not get homes. There are a hundred reasons why not. Not least, because no-one really cares whether they have a place to live or not. This "problem" will just move on somewhere else and these children that I have become very attached to will be left to rot.

And no. Mr _, I cannot take them into my house. I find it insulting that you should use that argument which is cheap and meaningless. What is necessary is finding a solution. Solutions that people like you can bring about, quite easily. Please find it in yourself to do one good thing. It will cost all of us money (we pay our taxes) but it won't make you poor.

Look into this girl's eyes

and decide to do the right thing.

Look into this boy's eyes

and decide to do the right thing.

Look into this baby's eyes

and decide to do the right thing.

In hope

DD

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Thank you so much for your activism...and for your keeping us informed about this. I read somewhere something about "one mosquito in a room can keep a human awake". Sometimes all you an do is keep trying...and it is not only on your shoulders to change the Roma's situation.

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by whataboutbob on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 05:27:59 AM EST
Would a mail action to some authorities make sense? Maybe if authorities sense international attention, they may do something? If you'd direct us to some address, I think a number of people here would participate.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 06:42:13 AM EST
How about the European Parliament's committee on Human Rights, or the Council Of Europe's "Roma And Travellers Division"?

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 06:46:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Good idea! I will write my own emails tonight, and if no one else does, will insert a paragraph into the Wiki article with link to DD's Roma series.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 07:00:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I just got a newsletter from Baroness Ludford MEP where she congratulates herself over her work tracking Human Rights Issues in some far away countries, and I had been tempted to sent her an e-mail asking her about issues in EU member states, such as the stateless Roma in the Czech Republic, and the stateless Russian speakers in Estonia. I could probably write something about Votanikos, and tie it in with the people who are going to have their allotments moved by Olympic development in London (her EP constituency).

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 07:16:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]
asking her about issues in EU member states, such as the stateless Roma in the Czech Republic,

On that, you may get a reply that the problem was solved in 1999. At least my search failed to find an article on recent thematising of the problem, and UNHRC states:

...in 1996 UNHCR assisted in the founding of a local NGO, Citizenship Advisory Center, which dealt with some eight thousands of individual cases in a period of more than two years. Using the legal expertise of UNHCR and the Citizenship Advisory Center, several amendments were made to the Citizenship Act, the last one in 1999, making it easier for the stateless persons to obtain Czech citizenship.

While the issue of statelessness has been solved legally since 2001, the UNHCR has been operating a Pilot Roma Programme in order to address the problems and needs of Roma communities in the Czech Republic...

Though the European Commission against Racism and Intolerance notes in its last report to date:

Czech_Republic_CBC_3

11. ECRI is pleased to note that the Czech Parliament adopted the amendments to the Czech citizenship Law facilitating the procedure for acquiring citizenship for nationals of the former Czechoslovakia who were long-term residents on Czech territory. These amendments introduced an alternate procedure for such persons through which they have the possibility of opting for Czech citizenship by proving residency in the Czech Republic from the date of the split of former Czechoslovakia (31 December 1992). This alternate procedure has resolved the difficulties in acquiring Czech citizenship of most Roma that have been long-term residents on the territory of the Czech Republic. Those who continue to encounter difficulties largely include Roma having problems proving factual residency - primarily persons without a fixed job or place of residence - and Roma whose residency is considered to have been interrupted as they left the country for a period of time in order to attempt to seek asylum abroad.

Recommendations:

12. ECRI recommends that the Czech authorities take the necessary action to resolve the remaining difficulties in acquiring citizenship encountered by Roma who were citizens of former Czechoslovakia and have been long-term or life-long residents on Czech territory. ECRI encourages the national authorities to adopt an approach that is as generous as possible, including towards those members of the Roma community who left the country applying for asylum.

Criminal law provisions

In my earlier confrontation of darin, I noted as problems remaining in 2000 the status of Roma who emigrated in the meantime and came back, I haven't found anything on this.

You may ask her about statistics for the actual elimination of the problem, though.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 08:28:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I noted as problems remaining in 2000 the status of Roma who emigrated in the meantime and came back, I haven't found anything on this.

Now I did, though no statistics.

European Roma Rights Centre [pdf!]:

12 December 2006
WRITTEN COMMENTS
OF THE EUROPEAN ROMA RIGHTS CENTRE
AND VZÁJEMNÉ SOUŽITÍ
CONCERNING THE CZECH REPUBLIC
FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE
UNITED NATIONS COMMITTEE ON THE ELIMINATION OF RACIAL
DISCRIMINATION
AT ITS 70th SESSION

...Nevertheless, certain categories of persons - most notably anyone who left the country for any period of time between 1993 and 1999 - are still excluded from access to citizenship other than via naturalization procedures. This group includes persons who went to
Slovakia for medical treatment or to give birth among relatives because at that time they had no access to any citizenship, or only to Slovak citizenship. In addition, those Roma who were forced to become "Slovaks" as a result of the Czech citizenship law may today face systematic discrimination as a result, for example, of local rules denying families social housing where one member of the family is a "foreigner" or similar. The Czech government has never undertaken any serious study of the situation of persons forced to be "Slovaks" as a result of the 1993 citizenship law and the current situations of exclusion they may be facing now, and so no policy measures exist to address these problems.



*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 08:39:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I see I am not well-versed enough about the issue to write about it, but I could also just mention it and see what she replies.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 09:58:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]
So far, I only got a couple of out-of-office auto-replies...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 01:34:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes. A mail action makes big sense but I am not sure it would achieve anything here because it is not an urgent action (ie: from Amnesty) It's a local and very unsexy issue. Worth a try though. Here are the main addresses for Greece:

  • Mr. Kostas Karamanlis, Prime Minister, Prime Minister's Office at the Hellenic Parliament, Greek Parliament Blgd, Constitution Square, Athens / Greece, Fax: +30-2103238129 , Email: info@primeminister.gr

  • Ms. Ntora Bakogiani, Foreign Minister, Athens, Greece, Fax: +30-2103681433.

  • Mr. Anastasios Papaligouras, Minister of Justice, Athens, Greece, Fax +30-2107489231

  • Mr. Byron Polidoras, Minister of Public Order, Athens, Greece, Fax: +30-2106917944

  • Mr. Giorgos Kaminis, Ombudsman for Human Rights, Fax +30-2107289643

  • Mr. Athanassios Dimoschakis, Chief of Greek Police, Fax: +30-2106923689

  • H.E. Franciscos Verros, Ambassador, Permanent Mission of Greece to the United Nations in Geneva, Rue du Léman 4, 1201 Geneva, Switzerland, Email: mission.greece@ties.itu.int, Fax: +41 22 732.21.50

If I discover/find/start some specific campaign for the Roma in Votanikos, I will let you know.

I would be grateful if you would let me know if you receive any replies from anyone.

The only thing necessary for the persistence of evil is for enough good people to do nothing

by deviousdiva (thedeviousdiva@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 08:35:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Thanks for these. Which is the local authority responsible? Could you also give an address for them?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 08:42:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You can write to the Mayor of Athens, Mr. Nikitas Kaklamanis at: mayor@cityofathens.gr or to the municipality of Athens at press@cityofathens.gr

The only thing necessary for the persistence of evil is for enough good people to do nothing
by deviousdiva (thedeviousdiva@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 12:36:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Thanks. But one further request if I may have: do you know of local housing-provision regulations broken which I could quote?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 01:33:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Kaklamanis doesn't give a damn. He claims that the cleaning crews, the majority of which were employees of mr. Vovos a really big building contractor who's bent on "developing" every last square inch of the city's few and endangered free spaces (Athens has the lowest percentage of urban parks and assorted greenery than any European capital btw) were there just to clean up and never asked the Roma to leave, but rather that they "left on their own" - despite many witnesses that claim the contrary. He also has threatened to counter-sue Dimitras of GHW, who immediately filed a suit against the mayor.

The municipality claims that where the Roma go is not their business but the peripheral authority's - which is true but irrelevant: if there are no housing arrangements in place for the Roma to move to (arrangements that they consent to moreover) than the whole action was illegal. Also illegal were mr. Vovos bribes and the fact that the police although they were called to stop the incursion, did nothing, claiming that they were searching for the persons sued (as if they don't know where the town hall or mr. Vovos company headquarters are).

Mr. Vovos' crews were led, escorted and aided by the municipal police making the municipal government the principal perpetrator of this crime. The opposition groups in the city council condemned the actions, but they're a minority (and an even smaller minority is the left's council members who are the only ones willing to raise a stink about this - in fact the only ones to fight against the mayor's plans for the whole area)... Frankly the money involved is such that I'm wagering that nothing will be done. To give you an example, a huge Mall in Athens' Northern suburbs, built and run by one of the companies owned by Spiros Latsis (who is the richest man in the country and no. 51 in the world), was built and is now working without any problems, despite the fact that it was built illegally, against all building regulations and despite a number of judicial orders for its construction to be stopped - orders which the police somehow always was too late to do anything about. Vovos isn't quite in the same league as Latsis, but he's apparently spreading money around - and will have no problem further bribing all involved not to get in the way.

The area of Votanikos, is part of the "Olive grove" (Elaionas), an area which indeed was the source for olive oil in ancient Athens and is now a huge dump, consisting of warehouses, small factories and machine shops, with minimal planning and little infrastructure. City planners have, for the past few decades, insisted that this area (9 sq. km in total), was Athens' last chance for a, desperately needed, large metropolitan park. The plans were laid. Panathinaikos' new ground supposedly tied in nicely with the scheme, but after the stadium was approved, Vovos and others started buying land in the area like crazy, driving prices up and making quite clear that the plans to create a park area > 4 sq.km are unlikely to materialize.

To return to the plight of the Roma. The only way that the Greek authorities will actually live up to their duty of providing housing for them (the international duties to do so have been circumvented by forming a committee on the issue which has done nothing at all, ever), is if the possibility of holding up construction plans due to EU pressure, forces the Periphery, Vovos or someone to move quickly to do so. So I guess the EU parliament, is a good place to start. The local authorities will just find imaginative excuses or ignore the complaints. A better solution is for Athenians to elect a decent mayor for a change (the Right has a stranglehold on the Mayorship for the past quarter century) but that's in four years - but I don't think I'll live to see that day...

I might also add here that it was reported in the press that the Roma school DD mentioned in a previous post - to add injury to insult - was recently firebombed by "persons unknown"...

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake

by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 07:37:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Thanks for this talos. I wonder if you would consider a copy/paste of this comment to my blog under the post ? It is VERY important information and I think people should know about the role of Vovos and others like him in this situation.

The only thing necessary for the persistence of evil is for enough good people to do nothing
by deviousdiva (thedeviousdiva@gmail.com) on Sat Jun 9th, 2007 at 06:46:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Done! As a Greek citizen I'd like to thank you for all your work BTW, and kudos for the Eleftheros Typos article!

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake
by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Sat Jun 9th, 2007 at 06:33:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I sent this or an adapted version:

To:  Mr. Kostas Karamanlis, Prime Minister of Greece

Dear Prime Minister,

In your capital Athens, in Votanikos, football club Panathinaikos plans to build a new stadium. However, on its place, today a few dozen families of homeless Albanian Roma live in the middle of a rubbish dump, and from what I hear, authorities fail to follow up on their duties to address their situation. It can't be that for the enjoyment of some, the existence of others is endangered.

Their living conditions are desolate. Housing is a Fundamental Right in the EU (Article 34, §3, "the  Union  recognises  and  respects the right to social and housing assistance so as to  ensure  a  decent existence  for  all  those  who lack  sufficient  resources", also Article 16 and 31 of the Revised European Social Charter). According to General Comment 4 of the United Nations Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR), "adequate housing" that has to be provided to everyone is defined as having sustainable access to natural and common resources, clean drinking water, energy for cooking, heating and lighting, sanitation and washing facilities, food storage facilities, refuse disposal, site drainage and emergency services. The Roma of Votankinos have none of these, not even the most pressing one they requested, water. And instead of getting help, they now face eviction.

The CESCR G.C. 4 and 7 also denounce forced evictions without recourse, and makes a special case about evictions of ethnic minorities. The European Committee of Social Rights has ruled Greece in violation of Article 16 of the European Social Charter over a similar eviction case in Patras in 2005 and 2006.

From what I hear, local authorities and developers in Votanikos are promising many things but not doing anything. There are even reports of lawyers of the developers bribing some of the Roma with €1.000 to leave (presumably to the next rubbish dump), see reports here: http://deviousdiva.com/2007/06/06/votanikos/.

I ask Your Excellency: what is the Greek government doing to enforce the housing rights of the people in Votanikos guaranteed in international, European and local law?

Yours sincerely

xxxxx
European Tribune

...to the Prime Minister, the UN Ambassador, and the following:

European Parliament Committee on Foreign Affairs, Subcommittee on Human Rights (AFET DROI):
Hélène Flautre, Chairwoman hflautre@europarl.eu.int
Giorgos Dimitrakopoulos, Member giorgos.dimitrakopoulos@europarl.europa.eu

Council of Europe:
Mrs Maria OCHOA-LLIDO, Head of the Migration and Roma Department - maria.ochoa-llido@coe.int
Mr Henry SCICLUNA, Council of Europe Co-ordinator for Activities concerning Roma and Travellers - henry.scicluna@coe.int
Mr Michael GUET, Head of the Roma and Travellers Division and Secretary of the Committee of Experts on Roma and Travellers (MG-S-ROM) - michael.guet@coe.int
Mrs Salome HIRVASKOSKI, Council of Europe's Special Adviser on Roma Issues - salome.hirvaskoski@coe.int
Mrs Eleni TSETSEKOU, Administrator in charge of intergovernmental activities and supervisor of the project "Advancing equality, tolerance and peace: Equal rights and treatment for Roma" - eleni.tsetsekou@coe.int

I also wanted to send it to members of the European Committee of Social Rights itself, but on one hand there was no email to be found, on the other hand, they are a body only dealing with appeals by states and organisations (NGOs).

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 01:28:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
"football club Panathinaikos plans to build a new stadium. However, on its place..."

I'm not sure that the Roma were living in the exact location where the Panathinaikos stadium will be built. I'm almost certain that they're adjacent to it and the area is owned by Vovos - not the City or Panathinaikos. He bought it from the National Bank of Greece I think. Otherwise he wouldn't have intervened personally.

Also technically speaking, the Roma in Votanikos aren't an "ethnic minority", but rather immigrants (and I find it likely that a large number of them might be illegal immigrants - possibly DD knows more about this): they are Albanian Roma (which also doesn't help because, from what I heard they're being shunned by the local Roma)

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake

by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 07:49:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The Wikipedia article on Votanikos simply say
Votanikos Arena is the temporary name for the proposed multi-use sports complex in Athens, Greece, that will host all Panathinaikos' departments. The arena will be located in the historic Votanikos area, west of downtown.

The project is ready and bulldozers have begun razing the area so that the construction works begin. Construction is expected to start within the first half of 2007, in order for the stadium to be ready to host Panathinaikos' 100th birthday celebrations by the end of 2008.

and makes no mention of settlements. (See also here)

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 06:50:04 AM EST
Tangentially related.

A chief problem in the discrimination of Roma is education (segregationism in education, and staying behind). In Northeastern Hungary, there is a government-supported project for some years to provide remote secondary education to Gypsies and other highly impoverished rural people. In the villages, the project consists of computer rooms, where pupils can browse the internet and visit on-line courses/download exams for free, and once every few weeks, a teacher comes by to look at the solutions and for consultations. At the end, they have to take the normal matriculation (finishing exam for high school diploma)

Through certain channels I got info on the state of affairs in one large village. The project was well-received, i.e. there were enough pupils who wanted to learn. However, all of them complained that this project doesn't really make sense, because it's meeting with the teacher that they find really important for progress, but the teacher won't come more frequently. Also they had to get used (and outdated) textbooks from other channels. As a result, the goal for the matriculation  was the lowest acceptable mark, and most have to go for a repeat exam even so. There is a chance that the complaints won't go unheard, but whether that'll lead to project improvements next year, is not at all certain.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 06:56:28 AM EST
Also they had to get used (and outdated) textbooks from other channels.

(Including my own schoolbooks.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 06:57:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]
By the way, I found the following mention of Votanikos while searching for some legal references:

COHRE - Centre On Housing Rights and Evictions

...COHRE/Greek Helsinki Monitor JOINT MEDIA RELEASE

Greece has been named one of three Housing Rights Violators in 2006, for persistently violating the right to adequate housing of Roma.

...Over 200 Roma households in the Votanikos district of Athens have been threatened with eviction to make way for the construction of a football stadium...



*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 01:30:59 PM EST
Check out DD's blog. Panayote Dimitras of the Greek Helsinki Monitor posted as comments reports of the situation -- how part of the people have already been evicted, settled in an empty factory, where the owner and police wanted to evict them again, but so far the activists helped to prevent that.

And there have been multi-page articles in major Greek newspapers, including one also about DD's blog, and BBC World TV will have a report "maybe today", and both PASOK (the Greek Socialists) and SYN (a hard-left party) got attention of the case.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 01:46:28 PM EST
Here is the BBC report:



*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Jun 11th, 2007 at 07:15:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]
In the Greek Helsinki Monitor press release about the illegal evictions [http://cm.greekhelsinki.gr/index.php?sec=192&cid=3144] you have the answer why the Mayor of Athens DOES have a legal obligation as even the Ombudsman states and that the state DOES have an obligation. This is the answer to Talos here.

By the way, Talos, the left opposition has not moved a finger, not even visited those people even though we urged them too, unlike PASOK that came along in the visit. Let us leave political sympathies out of this if we REALLY care about Roma and not party politics. As all these 200 families, ie ca. 1500 Roma face imminent eviction while we from our sofas are posting here or writing statements. All written work is IRRELEVANT to prevent them from becoming homeless any day now. Only "MAJOR LEAGUE ACTION" can help.


People say I'm crazy doing what I'm doing; they give me all kinds of warnings to save me from ruin; when I say I'm o.k. they look at me kind of strange; Lennon

by Greek Helsinki Monitor (office@greekhelsinki.gr) on Sun Jun 10th, 2007 at 06:14:57 AM EST
"the left opposition has not moved a finger, not even visited those people even though we urged them too"

You mean now, or in general? Because, according to this, f.e. [in Greek] you did visit the area with [some] in the left opposition at least once, a year ago, unless they're making it up. This isn't the proper moment for a political discussion, but are you claiming that PASOK is about to move against  the Vovos family?

What major league action do you have in mind? Legal? Political? Demonstrations?

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake

by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Sun Jun 10th, 2007 at 11:51:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]
UPDATE! Sunday 14:00

The already once evicted Roma just called Greek Helsinki Monitor to inform that police -illegally of course- evicted them from the 120 Iera Odos old factory without any proper legal procedure, but only with threats of action if they did not leave. Scared as they were, they left and settled elsewhere in an open area they think is state property.

People say I'm crazy doing what I'm doing; they give me all kinds of warnings to save me from ruin; when I say I'm o.k. they look at me kind of strange; Lennon

by Greek Helsinki Monitor (office@greekhelsinki.gr) on Sun Jun 10th, 2007 at 07:11:31 AM EST
NEW UPDATE! Sunday 17:00

After Roma called back GHM it was clarified that six families felt threatened enough to leave and resettled while the other 20+ upon GHM advice decided to stay there. Please keep in mind that the place belongs to a real estate agent (Riviera S.A.) and police appears as trying to help him evict them without the legal process; just as the developer Vovos helped the City of Athens summarily evict the Roma in first place. This is how the "state of law" functions in Greece.

People say I'm crazy doing what I'm doing; they give me all kinds of warnings to save me from ruin; when I say I'm o.k. they look at me kind of strange; Lennon

by Greek Helsinki Monitor (office@greekhelsinki.gr) on Sun Jun 10th, 2007 at 11:07:21 AM EST
Welcome GHM and thank you for any help you can offer!  I feel distressed, probably like many here, yet too disconnected to make a difference even with a letter.

I will crosspost this to news salon so more people can see it, but I hope you check in on the evening open threads and/or write a diary about your efforts.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Sun Jun 10th, 2007 at 12:47:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Talos

It appears you care mainly about disclaiming -falsely- arguments made here and not about Roma rights. For that reason I will prove you wrong here and will not return to any future comments from you.

What you point to is a pre-electoral visit of Anoihti Poli to the settlements. They made all kind of promises but once elected they did not move a finger on this issue. The after the recent major eviction they were asked to contribute decisively on the basis of their pledges but did not bother to visit the Roma evicted or threatened by eviction, and also after asking me to go to the City Hall on Monday to address the City Council on their behalf which I did they swallowed their tongue and did not ask that I was given the floor even after the Mayor called me a lier. And since then they have not been heard from.

Also I challenge you to belie both me and the Mayor who said that the area where the eviction took place was municipal and Vovos went there to help the Mayor remove the (human) garbage; and prove your point that it is owned by Vovos. In doing so go to the 27 April papers to read the announcement that the Mayor signed the papers transferring the ownership from the Bank to the City.  

People say I'm crazy doing what I'm doing; they give me all kinds of warnings to save me from ruin; when I say I'm o.k. they look at me kind of strange; Lennon

by Greek Helsinki Monitor (office@greekhelsinki.gr) on Sun Jun 10th, 2007 at 12:42:37 PM EST
It appears you care mainly about disclaiming -falsely- arguments made here and not about Roma rights

It appears that you lack basic comprehension skills, but never mind - the work you are doing right now is indeed more important an issue than your civility and tendency to attack, out of the blue, people who merely asked a couple of honest questions. This is a discussion not a sparring match.

Yet: If you do know for a fact that the area is owned by the City, you are most probably right. I only repeated what I heard - which made some sense because otherwise what was Vovos crews doing helping clean an area that Vovos doesn't own (that's why I said I was almost certain). I stand corrected on this issue, then. I also have some sincere questions about Anoixti Poli, but since anything I say might be misread as some sort of pushing an agenda (a Greek political agenda in a forum where very few Greeks participate at that), I'll pass for now.

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake

by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Sun Jun 10th, 2007 at 04:31:23 PM EST
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It would indeed be advisable if people stopped issuing direct negative comments towards others here, be it lack of compassion or basic reading comprehension.

What would be more important to know is what action we could take, major league or not, but Greek Helsinki Monitor has apparently not taken talos's upthread question in this direction at face value.

Does GHM maybe plan a sitting blockade or some other form of active protest? That may be something that could be suggested to talos, AFAIK a resident of Athens. Also AFAIK he is no political operative, so regarding inaction by the local hard left, I don't see how he could do something above it beyond writing a letter. As for the rest of us, what help could we give you beyond writing letters?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Jun 11th, 2007 at 03:41:30 AM EST
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I also believe we have to leave aside personal negative comments that arise usually from mis-reading or mis-interpreting the written word. Not because of malicious reasons but because of language differences. I experience this quite often when an innocent comment is totally misunderstood because of subtle cultural and linguistic difference. Let's not let those issues cloud the real issue here. What action can people here in Greece or abroad who are sympathetic to the issue actually take apart from letter writing?

Any ideas ? Spreading the word as far and wide as possible to bring pressure on the 'powers that be" is all I can suggest at the moment. These are my first baby steps into activism of this type so I would appreciate ANY ideas and insights from those who know better.

The only thing necessary for the persistence of evil is for enough good people to do nothing

by deviousdiva (thedeviousdiva@gmail.com) on Mon Jun 11th, 2007 at 05:07:44 AM EST
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I agree, and I apologize if anything I have said has contributed to this extended misunderstanding. I also would like to hear from the people intimately involved what we, either as EU citizens or Greek citizens, can concretely do to help.

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake
by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Mon Jun 11th, 2007 at 06:53:33 AM EST
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Apparently nothing anymore:

From Panayote Dimitras of GHM:

This morning the police went there again (Votanikos) and evicted the remaining Roma from 120 Iera Odos old factory. They are now out on the streets and asking us desperately where they should go, to which we have no answer and no-one cares to help give them one.

This means they will lose faith in us as well.

The media have remained silent after their coverage of the first eviction.

What a pathetic country.

100 families with children and possible illness (they are not inoculated) are out there, homeless, in various quarters of Athens.

I don't know what to say. We are too late in our action. The minute/minor action that it was. It is hard to think of all the children in my photos being let down yet again. And now, the final insult is that they are no longer a cohesive community to campaign for. Votanikos is no longer. I don't know what to say or do.......

Sorry is not enough.

Fuck.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Jun 11th, 2007 at 07:12:49 AM EST
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I hope this is not the end of the campaign to help the families who used to live at Votanikos....

I have no words right now....


The only thing necessary for the persistence of evil is for enough good people to do nothing

by deviousdiva (thedeviousdiva@gmail.com) on Mon Jun 11th, 2007 at 11:54:30 AM EST
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One thing I couldn't follow in the reporting: are there still families at the original place, for whom GHM still could fight legally, or were those evicted, too?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Jun 11th, 2007 at 01:31:20 PM EST
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Everyone has been evicted from Votanikos.

The only thing necessary for the persistence of evil is for enough good people to do nothing
by deviousdiva (thedeviousdiva@gmail.com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2007 at 05:48:52 AM EST
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Where have they gone?
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Jun 12th, 2007 at 01:24:31 PM EST
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I will be going later in the week to see if we can find out where they are and to document the conditions there. There are some ideas for action and we are waiting to see if any of the "powers that be" will support them. I will update here at ET as soon as I have more details. Thank you to all of you who have shown an interest in this appalling situation which has had little or no coverage until very recently.

The only thing necessary for the persistence of evil is for enough good people to do nothing
by deviousdiva (thedeviousdiva@gmail.com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2007 at 06:17:36 AM EST
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Thanks for story and great photos. They made me remember Mumbai (Delhi, Kolkata, Chennai...) slums dwellers who live there before their area become surrounded by posh neighbourhoods and realtors start take interest in evicting them at any costs.
by FarEasterner on Sun Jun 10th, 2007 at 02:06:18 PM EST


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