Dany the Liberal

by afew
Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 09:25:39 AM EST

Daniel Cohn-Bendit goes back over the defeat of the left in the French presidential (with no doubt the prospect of more to come in the parliamentary), in an interview for cultural magazine Télérama. After pointing out, as we have here, that Sarkozy took over his party completely well in advance of the election, while Royal's bid came too late and at the price of conflict with other would-be candidates, he says she was also hampered on the policy side:

De façon générale, ses cent vingt propositions étaient plombées par une vision socialiste française, keynésienne, fondée sur l’investissement public. Or, le seul keynésianisme qui peut fonctionner, c’est au niveau européen, parce qu’il faut éviter les distorsions de concurrence entre les pays membres. Mon mot d’ordre, c’est : Keynes à Bruxelles ! C’est de là que doit partir l’investissement public si l’on veut régler le problème crucial des transports et de l’énergie.

Overall, her 120 propositions were bogged down in a French socialist vision, Keynesian, based on public investment. But the only Keynesianism that can work is at the European level, because we have to avoid distortions introduced by competition between member states. My watchword is: Keynes in Brussels! That's where public investment needs to come from if we want to settle the crucial problems of transport and energy.


He goes on to discuss the future of the left in France: he sees it as a coalition of three poles, Bayrou's centre (freed from the right, which is still imo a long-odds bet), the social-democrats, and the ecologists. (The non-social-democrats in the PS seem to disappear in the wash, and the "anti-liberal" left, says Dany, doesn't want to govern anyway, so let them get on with organising demonstrations...) He says les Verts are mired in leftism:

Durant toute la campagne européenne de 1999, on a fait de moi un affreux libéral, parce que je me définissais comme « libéral libertaire ». Personne ne voulait comprendre ce que le libéralisme a apporté politiquement à la démocratie. On est dans une société contradictoire : on fête les écrits de Claude Lefort, de Castoriadis, de ces déconstructeurs du marxisme qui ont réinventé autour de la pensée de Hannah Arendt une idée de la liberté et de la démocratie, et à partir du moment où on appelle ça par son nom, le libéralisme politique, ça devient une horreur...

Il y a aussi beaucoup de confusion entre les termes : libéralisme politique, ultralibéralisme, économie de marché?

En ce qui concerne l’économie de marché, les Verts ne comprennent pas qu’ils y ont intérêt ! Si on est contre le nucléaire, il faut déconstruire le monopole d’EDF. Comment ? Par la concurrence des marchés. La concurrence a été le seul moyen de faire entrer en Allemagne les énergies renouvelables dans le circuit de distribution électrique.

Throughout the European campaign of 1999, I was made out to be an awful (economic) liberal, because I defined myself as a "libertarian liberal". No one was willing to see what liberalism has contributed politically to democracy. We're in a contradictory society: we acclaim the writings of Claude Lefort, of Castoriadis, of these deconstructors of Marxism who reinvented around Hannah Arendt's thinking an idea of freedom and democracy, yet as soon as we call that by its name, political liberalism, it becomes pure horror...


There's also confusion between the terms: political liberalism, ultraliberalism, market economy?

Take the market economy, the Verts don't realise it's in their interest! If you're against nuclear, you have to deconstruct the EDF monopoly. How? By market competition. Competition was the only way to get renewables into the German grid.

Need I say I've always liked Daniel Cohn-Bendit (voted for him in 1999), and think he's done excellent work at the EP. And a lot of what he says makes sense (Keynes in Brussels...) But he also strikes me as having a decidedly rightist Third Way approach to the way to renew the French left (he cites looking at what Blair has achieved as a plus in this interview), and his discourse around "liberalism" is, well... He's playing on words. As the interviewer tries to point out, only to be ignored.

But there's stuff to chew on there. Public investment in Brussels to handle transport and energy problems, but market competition to get renewables into energy circuits...

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What area does Cohn-Bendit represent? And I wonder where he sees the French left heading...

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by whataboutbob on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 09:32:20 AM EST
He's an MEP for Germany in the 2004 EP, although he run for France in 1999 and for Germany in 1994.

As Germany apportions its 99 MEPs on a national basis a party need only poll 5% to  obtain 5 MEPs, and it will get at least one MEP per % vote.

France is broken up into supre-regional constituencies electing around 10 MEPs each, and so 10% of the vote in a region necessary to get one MEP. This makes it harder for the French Green Party to get seats on the EP.

In addition:

His disregard for conventional European politics of Left and Right has made him more unpopular in France than in Germany. The French Green Party and the French Left in general remain more attached to these distinctions, whereas in the German Green Party, the moderate Realo wing had already won over the hard-line Fundi wing, possible alliances with the Conservatives were no longer taboo, and third way policies under the center-left Schröder government, such as Agenda 2010 and the Hartz I - IV laws, found considerable support. He was also accused of not giving to the French party the percentage of income that all MEPs and other elected members are supposed to give to their party, although the party had officially agreed to exempt him before his first election in France. This, alongside his pro-European attitudes, led him to participate to the 2004 European elections on the German side, where he became the highest male candidate on the list and was elected again.


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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 09:55:46 AM EST
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Overall, her 120 propositions were bogged down in a French socialist vision, Keynesian, based on public investment. But the only Keynesianism that can work is at the European level, because we have to avoid distortions introduced by competition between member states. My watchword is: Keynes in Brussels! That's where public investment needs to come from if we want to settle the crucial problems of transport and energy.
free markets for goods, services, capital and labour and free movement of persons require an economic policy on the geographical extent of the free market.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 09:37:41 AM EST
Maybe there is more to his argument, but the logic expressed over renewables seems a bit odd. Surely if EDF is a government regulated monopoly, you could just regulate that 10% of new supply investments must be made in renewables?

I don't see that the market is the only way to get renewables going. But maybe I'm missing something.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 09:46:27 AM EST
That's how it looks to me, too. But I think he's trying to reconcile the anti-nuclearism of all the Greens (certainly German and French) with his pro-market views. "If you don't like nuclear, go with the market".

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:10:07 AM EST
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There are some greens who think that it is easier to regulate business than to change state-run companies, in general, from an environmental POV. Has to do with the political economy, or, alternatively, with the assumed-to-be-automatic higher efficiency of private companies. There may be something to that argument, I don't know.

But Daniel is too uncritical in praising the market economy. He should stress the necessity of regulation to bring the market to a positive outcome, as is the case with renewables in Germany (not to state that the general energy market in Germany is functioning well, it isn't).

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:20:28 AM EST
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Why is everyone talking about "Daniel" as if they had coffee with him every morning?

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:23:26 AM EST
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Cohn-Bendit is just too complicated ;-P

Also, see DoDos point here.

Usually, I notice, I tend to do this with female politicians much quicker than with male politicians (something I think is also common in general discourse). Hidden gender bias, that.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:33:32 AM EST
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Steve Clemons, in his rather excellent liveblogging of the Dem debate, noted the following:
Anderson Cooper just asked whether anyone noticed that John Edwards keeps calling Senator Clinton, "Hillary" rather than the former. I noticed, and found it odd -- but smart. Too much respect of each other is not a winning style. He's putting her down in a pleasant way. But she's not letting him get an inch from her on that. Very interesting how the body language stuff matters on TV.

Hillary Clinton may have this problem because you can't just call her 'Clinton', like you can say 'Edwards' or 'Obama' (due to the public profile of her husband). But generally, I think that with female politicians we hear less of a dissonance when they are referred to by first name than with male politicians. Of course I might just be wildly generalising from my own biases here. And I don't know if it goes for all languages. I think that it is similar in France, as Royal was often referred to as Segolene or just Sego during the French campaign.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:50:32 AM EST
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Which I objected to, btw, as it's undoubtedly belittling. As I said here, we never heard talk of "Nicolas" or "Nico".

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:57:09 AM EST
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Jerome just argued that Sego v. Sarko was simply more sonorous, but that ignored that during the PS primary it was DSK, Fabius, Jospin, Hollande... and Sego.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:02:26 AM EST
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No Domino, Lolo, Liono, or... Monsieur Ségo... ;)

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:05:51 AM EST
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I think that goes a long way towards explaining voter perceptions that Sego was "not serious". The "oui" would have won in France in a landslide had the rebel faction of the PS been led by "Lolo".

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:10:27 AM EST
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"Lolo" is quite precisely Fabius's nickname on the Guignols show. With fun-poking, satiric intention.

Dano, in the Télérama interview, says this of the de-credibilisation of Royal:

Elle perd l'élection dès décembre-janvier, par ses erreurs certes, mais parce que Strauss-Kahn et Fabius avaient semé le doute sur ses compétences. Les journalistes et la droite n'avaient plus qu'à reprendre leurs accusations...

She lost the election in December-January, by her own mistakes certainly, but also because Strauss-Kahn and Fabius had introduced doubt about her competence. Then all the journalists and the right needed to do was repeat their accusations.



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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:22:12 AM EST
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that, to some extent, it happened because 'Ségolène' is rare enough to be able to identify her on its own (whereas Royal is precisely the opposite). Then the shortening to the two syllable word endingg in "o".

But there probably was an element of making her appear less serious. I know that it did not feel right writing about Ségo doing this or that when I wrote my diaries - so I used Royal.


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by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 01:29:12 PM EST
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He's putting her down in a pleasant way.

Yes, that is exactly the point: we put women down in a pleasant way when we call them by their first name more often than we do men.

Even when I am calling people by their last name, I find that I am often inclined to call women by their full name (given name plus family name) rather than just their surname. In other words, surnames are assumed to refer to men unless qualified by the first name.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:59:59 AM EST
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I noticed when I was a young student that both students and teachers would address girls by their first name and boys by their last name, generally. Clearly a case of gender bias.

I tried to make a point about that early in the French presidential race (Segolene vs. Sarkozy) but I was rebuffed.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:56:39 AM EST
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Girls by first name and boys by family name was an out-and-out rule at my secondary school, and elsewhere in England. Don't know if that's changed.

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:00:15 AM EST
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Well, it was the same in Spain in the 1980's though I wouldn't have called it a rule but rather a habit.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:05:30 AM EST
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Anyone know the origin or logic of it?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:12:39 AM EST
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Leftover from inheritance laws and social customs that the wife takes the husband's last name, I'd guess.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:19:07 AM EST
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It felt like military brutalisation to me at eleven or twelve. And that was part of the explanation we got: boys were meant to be soldiers, or at least should undergo a certain degree of military discipline. Character-forming and such.

Meanwhile, girls would become wives and mothers and were deserving of softer treatment.

Part of it was turning males into warriors (it was explained to us almost as a rite of passage, iirc, since now we were big lads and attitudes to us would become harsher), and the other part patronising females. Not taking them seriously, since the most they might be expected to do in the way of a profession was teach.

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:29:57 AM EST
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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:34:49 AM EST
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Someone should send Daniel Jerome's writings on the bias liberalised markets have towards gas & coal. Getting renewables into the German grid was predicated upon state intervention in the market by obliging energy companies to buy up renewable power at set prices. The French state could do the same with regard to EDF.

The PES (European umbrella social-democratic party) has formulated a common Keynesian strategy for a social Europe, by the way. But I guess that Royal didn't do much with that. Can't blame Daniel for chiding her for that, although he might also note that you can't do supply side economics alone either (re- Sarkozy's tax-cutting proposals).

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 09:51:37 AM EST
Someone should send Daniel Jerome's writings on the bias liberalised markets have towards gas & coal.

Did we not do this a while ago?

by A swedish kind of death on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 09:59:05 AM EST
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True! I forgot (I did read it). He must not have read it. Or forgotten :-)
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:05:04 AM EST
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Can't blame Daniel for chiding her for that

No, you can't. But it's an unfortunate reality of national elections that the EU's image is so bad that all candidates avoid mentioning it beyond briefly-mentioned pious hopes.

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:16:13 AM EST
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I have a gut feeling, though, that there are great benefits to be had from explaining basic realities to voters. Especially when the opposing candidate does not recognise them. Such as the basic reality that France can no longer design its economic policies in isolation, or promise changes to European policies to its voters when all of its fellow Member States are opposed to them.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:26:36 AM EST
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I have a gut feeling, though, that there are great benefits to be had from explaining basic realities to voters.

"We need to increase taxes or cut public services."

The great benefit of explaining this being that it'll be the other guy's problem to square that circle after the election.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:37:41 AM EST
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I'd like to believe that was true. But the least one can say is that no major politician or party is convinced of it. And presumably they have their polls and focus groups to back them. (For what they're worth).

It would actually be a considerable modal shift, the kind of thing that might happen in a crisis or be got across by an exceptionally gifted and charismatic politician.

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:39:20 AM EST
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Cohn-Bendit has always been media-hungry, that's how he got famous in 1968.

Since he's come back in French politics in the 1990's, he's always been a centrist, caring about the environment and social freedoms but never much about inequalities. It's not amazing to have him push for a Centrist-Green-"Socialist" alliance ; that's the line of Les Verts. Remains the question wether the greens would be the middle of such a coalition, as Cohn-Bendit would like it, or to left wing, as Alain Lipietz, say, would have it. It determines wether that coalition would be essentially blairist in nature, or if it could do some more interesting things.

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by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:05:13 AM EST
I think Les Verts will split, some of them joining a "new centre", some a renewed PS and some the far left. In fact, it's already happening...

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 01:52:40 PM EST
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It would help to know which way the PS-supported Vert in my circonscription (that's Yves Cochet) will be going.

That would impact my decision of voting for him or for the LCR candidate...

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by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 06:29:02 PM EST
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Castoriadis, were he alive today, would certainly cringe at being called a "political liberal".

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake
by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:22:34 AM EST
I think Cohn-Bendit's whole discourse there is self-serving and misleading. He knows perfectly well that in France at least (and in other European countries), "liberal" today means economic liberal, and that "political liberal" doesn't have much of a commonly-accepted meaning.

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:34:26 AM EST
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Maybe, but his criticism of marxism is the most powerful I've come across.

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 01:48:34 PM EST
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Yes, but "not a Marxist" (or "post-Marxist") does not equate to liberal. He described himself as a libertarian socialist / anarchist) IIRC and certainly a large part of his critique (re: development and economism) is easily applicable to liberalism. He was certainly anti-capitalist. I note from one of his last speeches (link to a rather ineresting story by itself):

At a 1997 conference organized in Prague by President Václav Havel of the Czech Republic and the writer Elie Wiesel, Mr. Castoriadis described capitalism's "expectation of an unlimited expansion of material so-called well-being" as "obviously the most absurd of all Utopias ever formulated by the most sanguine Utopians." He also urged the adoption of a "new type of human life ... a frugal life, as the only means to avoid ecological catastrophe and a definitive zombification of human beings, endlessly masturbating in front of their television screens."

Also this:

Castoriadis takes little joy from the sight of a population that "plunges into privatization, abandoning the public domain to bureaucratic, managerial, and financial oligarchies," succumbing at last to the "generalized conformism ... pompously labeled postmodernism."... And there is more than a hint of Spenglerian gloom in Castoriadis's argument that "the process of competitive decadence" between the old Soviet regime and its Western counterparts yielded not a revolutionary upsurge but a pseudo-paradise of consumerist passivity.


The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake
by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 08:21:06 PM EST
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"generalized conformism ... pompously labeled postmodernism."

Brilliant.

I think you've amply proved your point, talos. Mine, more generally, is that D C-B's use of "political liberalism" is specious - little more than a figleaf for economic liberalism.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jun 8th, 2007 at 02:06:07 AM EST
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I agree. His approach would better be seen as "conseillisme libertaire". In my view Cornelius Castoriadis' work should be one of the theoretical foundations of a new paradigm/narrative.

One of Castoriadis's many important contributions to social theory was the idea that social change involves radical discontinuities that cannot be understood in terms of any determinate causes or presented as a sequence of events. Change emerges through the social imaginary without determinations, but in order to be socially recognized must be instituted as revolution. Any knowledge of society and social change "can exist only by referring to, or by positing singular entities ... which figure and presentify social imaginary significations."

Concerning his political views, autonomy appears as a key theme in his early postwar writings... He defined an Autonomous society in contrast to a Heteronomous one. While all societies make their own imaginaries (institutions, laws, traditions, beliefs and behaviors), autonomous societies are those that their members are aware of this fact, and explicitly self-institute (αυτο-νομούνται). In contrast, the members of heteronomous societies attribute their imaginaries to some extra-social authority (i.e. God, ancestors, historical necessity).

It his interesting to notice that "historical necessity", once part of the marxist vulgate, is now at the heart of the narrative conveyed by the proponents of what I would call the "disembedded economy".

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char

by Melanchthon on Fri Jun 8th, 2007 at 06:32:20 AM EST
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