Saturday Evening Thread

by Jerome a Paris
Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 12:54:21 PM EST

Anything exciting happening to you today?

Hopefully those who are lucky to attend Migeru and Barbara's wedding tonight will let us know what's going on?!
UPDATE: see the picture below!


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The exciting news here is that about an hour ago the sun came out.

And thanks for posting the video - read somewhere that over 1 Million people have watched it on you tube, the most viewed video. I wanted to go and look for it this weekend and here my wish is already fulfilled. :-)

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 12:59:15 PM EST
in his (humongeous "Overnight News Digest") comment in the Salon.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 01:29:42 PM EST
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When I clicked it on I thought it was going to be something appropriate to the wedding.  Lol!
by Maryb2004 on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 01:32:15 PM EST
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Belgium: 2 months after the elections, still no government.
Excitement building up :

- "Don't throw away our election victory"

Sat 11/08/07 - Belgium's Louis Michel, the European Commissioner for Humanitarian Aid and Development, has urged formateur Yves Leterme to speed up the present coalition talks for a new federal government and to come up with some results soon. "Otherwise he'd better leave the job to Didier Reynders." Louis Michel (a Francophone liberal and party colleague of Didier Reynders at the MR) took part in June's federal elections, but soon returned to his job at the European Commission afterwards.

Two months after the elections, which were a big success for both the Francophone liberals of MR and the Flemish alliance between the Christian democrats of CD&V and the Flemish nationalists of N.VA, the coalition talks led by formateur Yves Leterme of CD&V have not led to any result.

The parties involved keep on bickering over the two main issues, state reform and the long-term budget.



The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 01:29:12 PM EST
http://maxspeak.org/mt/archives/003228.html

YOUR CENTRAL BANKS AT WORK

MOTOWN, August 10 (Associated Press) -- Announcements of mass layoffs at Consolidated Amalgamated Widget triggered an emergency meeting of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors. In response to the crisis, the bankers resolved to pump liquidity into the Motown region's banks, take steps to avert mortgage foreclosures and automobile repossessions, and provide stopgap health insurance.

Fed Chairman Benjamin Bernanke informed the affected workers that money would be available as needed. President George Bush assured the nation that the economy was fundamentally sound, that his Administration would not let the stricken workers fall between the cracks of the volatile labor market.

The Onion can have this one, no charge.

Another way to put forward the point I made here:

http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2007/8/9/123641/8918#5


The irony is that these bank sponsored papers are indeed worthless at market value (since there is no buyer) and that is the case because everyone is too leveraged by the very same banks and so no one has money left to be a buyer...

All of course caused by ECB total lack of willingness to act as a real bank regulator (since ECB now has a monopoly on this).

Politically the ECB actions are nothing short of incredible:

    * ECB criticize strongly workers union for asking for raises and going to strike, totally outside of ECB mandate
    * ECB criticize states for their work regulations, totally outside of ECB mandate
    * ECB says because of the two above it is forced to raise rate and create unemployment and unrest, hell to evil workers and policiticans!
    * ECB just creates 100 billions in liquidity to save rich people and irresponsible banks shareholder value, ECB fully responsible for the mess because it did not act
    * ECB, now that rich people and shareholders are involved  might not raise rates after all !!!!

No MSM will report those simple facts put together of course...

by Laurent GUERBY on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 01:49:08 PM EST
Naughty unions, naughty state regulations.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 02:29:51 PM EST
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that video is one of the most amazing things i have ever seen.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 01:53:47 PM EST
yes, it's nice to see the proverbial underdogs win, or at least tie.
by zoe on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 02:05:54 PM EST
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The dirty little secret of animal documentary is that most attacks by predator are unsuccessful.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 02:53:28 PM EST
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There's some potentially troubling and telling news for all you motorists out there who may be taking the Turnpike for the worst crime in marriage: cheating on your significant other.

E-ZPass and other electronic toll collection systems are emerging as a powerful means of proving infidelity. That's because when your spouse doesn't know where you've been, E-ZPass does.

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_222140553.html

by zoe on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 02:08:31 PM EST
You want troubling.  I've got troubling.

Highlights: I'm a better mother when I'm stoned.

I don't smoke pot on a daily basis, just as I don't make sugar crystal lollipops a staple of my son's diet. But I've been able to apply the lessons I learned about parenting while stoned to parenting while sober (and impatient and grouchy). I now believe that -- in addition to doing all I can to raise him to be a decent and responsible human being -- I need to, from time to time, get down on his level and really see what he sees, to rediscover pleasures like crayons or the sandbox.

There are those who believe anyone who gets stoned while caring for a child should receive a visit from child protective services. But there are times when I find myself snapping at my now six-year-old son over normal foibles, or when I find myself too distracted by mundane household chores to sit down and focus on his needs, I've been able to apply the lessons I learned about parenting while stoned to parenting while sober (and impatient and grouchy). that I realize that my making a quick and discreet trip to the garage would do me -- and him -- a world of good. When I return to the house, my son is none the wiser. All he knows is that his formerly stressed out mother is suddenly willing to hunker down on the rug to play Legos for an hour.

In an ideal world, I'd be able to do all of these things without the help of an herb. But the world isn't ideal. It's full of overflowing laundry hampers, dirty dishes and unanswered email. Pot's much-maligned amotivational properties I would term an enticement to "single-tasking." Erecting a temporary smokescreen is a way to block out the demands that take my attention away from my child. Plus, it makes Teletubbies a whole lot more interesting.



And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 02:44:07 PM EST
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Troubling how?

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 08:48:25 PM EST
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I read about the E-Z Pass and it is very disturbing that information that is solely meant for paying a fare can be and is being used for any other reason without our knowledge or approval. I am a believer that the less information the government has on me the better. I was one of those college students from the 1960's who found out years later that the FBI had a file on me because of my anti-war protests. It was very thin but it existed. I dropped EZ Pass years ago and am perfectly happy waiting on the cash line.

On the lighter side, I'm sure you also heard about how 1-800 Flowers sent a thank-you note to a man's house which was read by his wife. The problem is that the flowers were sent to the man's girlfriend. The wife is suing him for divorce and he is trying to sue 1-800 Flowers. He should be suing God, because it was God who got him.

by BJ Lange (langebj@gmail.com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2007 at 10:04:12 AM EST
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That all the necessary formalities have been carried out, that the bride was in fact beautiful, the groom also, and that the happy couple are indeed married.

The ET contingent includes Helen, Sam, kcurie, Geezer in Paris and myself and we're doing our best to asist in the celebrations!

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 02:10:32 PM EST
Picture ?

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 02:26:17 PM EST
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On the way!
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 02:48:01 PM EST
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Ok, hopefully someone more competent will repost this photo!  I can't get it to stay right side up (it'll do it but reverts when I save), PLUS, the !@#! thumbnail html won't work!

But here's a link to the photo in the meantime.

http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=migbarbweduf2.jpg

Everyone looks wonderful!  Congratulations again, Migeru and Barbara!

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 03:30:55 PM EST
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Sam and Colman, Heleen Barbara and Mig, geezer in Paris (seating) and I don't knoww the other two gentlemen

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 03:31:42 PM EST
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Wonderful picture - and all the happiness to you Barbara and Mig.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 03:34:28 PM EST
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indeed wonderful, looks like a real historical document.

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 04:23:08 PM EST
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It probably is a real historical document.

Congrats to the happy couple.

(This is the first ET wedding, isn't it?)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 04:52:23 PM EST
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Sorry for the quality of that: mobile phone. The other two sea kcurie (the tall one)  and alz:
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 04:09:32 PM EST
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No sorry! All is forgiven....thanks for the update..

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 04:58:21 PM EST
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and everyone seems to be on their best behaviour for a change.  
by zoe on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 04:21:03 PM EST
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Enhorabuena, amigos!  It looks like a really sweet occasion.  

(Poor Barbara...  ;) )

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 04:29:31 PM EST
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Life, love, friendship, hope.

That's what I wish Barbara and Mig, and that's what I see in this photo.

Technically not the best pic we've seen here, but the oomph of humanity it delivers is worth all the others!

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 05:00:45 PM EST
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I've got about 600 better ones on my camera!

All messages are being relayed!

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 05:18:13 PM EST
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We just went through that set this morning. Maybe I'll get around to posting some photos today.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 27th, 2007 at 07:57:15 AM EST
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Where?
by PliniusVetus on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 01:46:14 AM EST
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and since no one else has said, I suppose I will have to :  Mazel Tov!
by zoe on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 06:35:11 PM EST
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Congratulations Migueru and best wishes Barbara!

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 07:21:35 PM EST
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Sorry about the spelling - Miguel.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 07:24:30 PM EST
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what a lovely picture, i love the italian paintings hanging behind, too.

a big aloha to you, miguel and barbara, you are both radiant!

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 09:52:14 PM EST
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Congratulations Barbara and Migeru!!! Enjoy the rest of the evening, the rest of the weekend and the rest of life. I look forward to meeting you in person some day at a future ET rendez vous.
by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 11:20:26 PM EST
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Our best wishes from the LEP family.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2007 at 04:25:23 AM EST
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What a wonderful news! Congratulations!
by FarEasterner (avdavydov@yandex.ru) on Sun Aug 12th, 2007 at 09:25:17 AM EST
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Parabéns e Felicidades!
by Torres on Sun Aug 12th, 2007 at 10:54:07 AM EST
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Mig, i only know you through your comments and too short a time in Paris.  Though i thought your physicist hair worked well, if all you had to do to land Barbara (or did she ask you?) was cut your hair, then i approve.  And can only add my congratulations to you both, accompanied by an amazingly fulfilled life.

But what's in your vest pocket?  g

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Aug 12th, 2007 at 04:37:56 PM EST
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I'm sorry I didn't end up meeting you and dvx as I did not pass through Koeln on my way to the wedding. Maybe some other time.

How do you know about my "physicist's hair"? No, I "landed" Barbara while I was still a physicist, hair and all.

The thing on my lapel is a stylized bouquet made by the florist.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 27th, 2007 at 08:41:11 AM EST
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The taller hidalgo (for they are both Spanish gentlemen) is kcurie, and the shorter one is ET user: alv who, improbably, claims to be silent because he's overwhelmed by the quantity of reading material on ET.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 27th, 2007 at 08:43:13 AM EST
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So she's finally made him legitimate.

¡Felicitaciones, Miguel y Barbara!

.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 02:30:48 PM EST
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Mabrouk to the happy couple!
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 02:50:07 PM EST
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Čestitanje/Omedetou gozaimasu/Gung hei!
by lychee on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 03:11:18 PM EST
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Congratulations, you crazy kids!

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 03:20:00 PM EST
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Congratulations!

No one could have predicted
by ATinNM on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 05:49:01 PM EST
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Félicitations, et tous mes voeux de bonheur !

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 06:03:32 PM EST
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Felicitaciones!!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 07:24:59 PM EST
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Congratulations, Migeru and Barbra!

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 08:04:41 PM EST
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My best wishes to the happy couple!

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Aug 12th, 2007 at 05:42:37 AM EST
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Félicitations et tous mes voeux pour l'avenir :)
by Laurent GUERBY on Sun Aug 12th, 2007 at 10:59:48 AM EST
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We have had a gorgeous day and I cycled a 45 mile round trip up the Taff Trail along the river.  I didn't quite make it to Merthyr though.

Not massively impressed with the trail - it cuts off in a few places and you have to cross really busy A roads and junctions, and spend a fair bit of time cycling on the road.  I think if I could have gone further past Merthyr and towards Brecon it would become much more scenic.

Still, it was a lovely way to spend the day.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 02:41:23 PM EST


The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 03:59:24 PM EST
Why do I wish they fall flat on their faces, on that pesticide-treated, petroleum-cut lawn?

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 04:32:56 PM EST
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Because you're a member of the axis of evil...:-)

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 04:41:56 PM EST
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Hurrah!  That means I´m a good person!

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 04:44:39 PM EST
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Someone at YearlyKos told me that men, whose arms are hanging down at the side a bit off their bodies with the palms of their hands directed backwards are men that are of aggressive nature. Then he pointed out to how Bush's palms are always directed backwards, when he walks together with his various political visitors.

I found that a bit funny and couldn't believe it and googled today for "palms down" and ended up with this article: Body Language - What Do You Do With Your Palms?
.

I chuckled reading it, but I got somewhat convinced reading this:


The Nazi salute had the palm facing directly down and was the symbol of power and tyranny during the third Reich. If Adolf Hitler had used his salute in the palm up position not as many people would have taken him seriously - they may even have laughed! At least, I would have.

When couple walk hand-in-hand the dominant partner, walks slightly in front with his hand in the above position, palm facing backwards while the other one has their palm facing forward. This simple little position immediately reveals to an observer who wears the trousers in that relationship!

Look at the picture. What a couple! Not walking hand in hand, but clearly Sarkozy with open palms, pointing up and forward, Bush palms pointing backwards, never mind the attempt of having a charming smile.

Oh my ... what a couple and all of it under the careful watching eyes of Daddy Bush.

by verena on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 06:55:37 PM EST
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good observation, and welcome, verena!

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 10:04:03 PM EST
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Interesting observation. Or it could also be the sign of someone who has no idea what they are doing or saying but desperately want to give the impression that they do. I remember being 7 years old and doing it whenever we were play acting and wanted to act tough.
by BJ Lange (langebj@gmail.com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2007 at 09:51:10 AM EST
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Just watched Meet The Press with Harold Ford Jr. debating Markos. After reading your post I couldn't help but note that Harold constantly spoke with his palms up and down at different times. Markos always had his palms down.
by BJ Lange (langebj@gmail.com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2007 at 11:23:52 AM EST
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Now, can I ask for "french fries" the next time I'm in the U.S.?

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2007 at 04:31:38 AM EST
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LOL. That was about the dumbest political move I have ever heard. I always wanted to know, did French Fries and French Toast actually originate in France?
by BJ Lange (langebj@gmail.com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2007 at 09:54:00 AM EST
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by Laurent GUERBY on Sun Aug 12th, 2007 at 10:57:34 AM EST
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French fries doesn't come from french as coming from France. It comes from "to french" a verb, meaning according to Websters either - to trim the meat from the end of the bone and also to cut into long; thin slices before cooking. So french fries got its name from the potato being frenched into long slices.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2007 at 04:08:41 PM EST
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(I was just asking Izzy last night where Migeru was.  How did I not know the wedding was this week?)

Cheers! And the very best to you both.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 04:09:43 PM EST
Dean Baker was amongst the few economist that correctly predicted the stock bubble, here is a summary of his stake on the housing bubble which is the real economy underlying problem in the credit/mortgage/financial industry current events.


Midsummer Meltdown: Prospects for the Stock and Housing Markets

August 2007, Dean Baker

This paper examines the factors that have led to the recent instability in financial markets, specifically the housing bubble and the recent run-up in stock prices. Prices in both the housing market and the stock market are often moved by psychological factors that have little to do with fundamentals.  

http://www.cepr.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1267&Itemid=77

I strongly recommand for those interested to read the full 23 pages paper (MSM behaviour analysis, nice graphs):

http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/meltdown_2007_08.pdf

by Laurent GUERBY on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 04:34:32 PM EST
Interesting. I'm wondering to which extent does this applies to EU countries as well.

Realtors keep saying that we have a deficit of new housing construction, increasing numbers of single parent families and a still robust demography (at least in France), ergo: housing won't crash.

What I noticed: decreasing interest rates have been more than compensated by housing price increases, 15 year mortgages that were standard twenty years ago have given way to 20, 25 and now 30 year mortgages; the industry seems to have pretty much reached the end of the rope when it comes to making applicants solvent (at least, AMR are not as frequent over here as they are in the US).

Any thoughts?

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 04:52:42 PM EST
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15 year mortgages that were standard twenty years ago have given way to 20, 25 and now 30 year mortgages

True. And I've heard (from a source who should know) that, here in SW France where the overflow of the English housing bubble has pushed prices high, banks are no longer willing to give mortgages at all to people who would easily have obtained one a few years ago. (An example I know of, a couple, both working in steady, reasonably well-paid jobs, were recently turned down for a mortgage). This means that banks' mortgage departments consider that current price levels will not last.

The result is that only cash-down buyers (mostly Brits who've sold something in Britland) are acquiring existing properties. New house-building may also be expected to slow.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2007 at 04:14:06 AM EST
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I was strolling down rue Ordener in the 18th of Paris the other day, browsing the windows of the real estate agencies and to my unprofessional (re real estate) but "accountant's" eye, prices per square meter seem to have taken a noticeable dip.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Sun Aug 12th, 2007 at 04:38:34 AM EST
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Two of Spain's largest banks (Santander and BBVA) have recently sold almost all of their office space (with lease-backs) to developers.  If that´s not a sure sign, I don´t know what is...

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Sun Aug 12th, 2007 at 12:02:33 PM EST
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Dean Baker was amongst the few economist that correctly predicted the stock bubble

Do we need any other evidence that most economists are a clueless waste of space?

How intelligent do you have to be to realise that if you lend money to a group of people who have only marginal prospects of paying it back, and then you create  derivatives around that risk, the outcome is not going to be a happy one?

Can we just retire all of the idiots involved in this mess before they do any more damage - and give them a useful job cleaning toilets, or something?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 04:58:26 PM EST
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Yes I spent the day with my grandson and ignored the trailer trash in-laws.  My daughter married into a tradesman type family and while the son-in-law is a hard worker knows less than zero about personal finacial dealings.  My daughter got worried and I researched the family history.  His parents financed their entire live on remortgages and left my son-in-law with their 500,000 debt.
by Lasthorseman on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 09:49:05 PM EST

photoshop phun

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 09:56:06 PM EST
4 hours in the Emergency Room at the hospital with a kidney stone.  Does that qualify for interesting?

Hello pain.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson

by NearlyNormal on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 10:14:00 PM EST
Ow ow ow.  I hope you're feeling better....
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 11:10:38 PM EST
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Hello pain.

From the kidney stone or the insurance and bills?

Hope you feel better soon.

by lychee on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 11:19:25 PM EST
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I've got good ins. but this year I've really made them work.  Pain better now, with some drugs on board and the doc says stone almost down to the bladder.

Thanks,
Steve

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson

by NearlyNormal on Sat Aug 11th, 2007 at 11:24:11 PM EST
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That is an absolutely amazing video, thanks.

But remember, we must not, I repeat, NOT ascribe any feelings or motivations to any of the animals appearing in the video, as that would be anthropomorphizing and that's just not done.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 27th, 2007 at 07:59:39 AM EST


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