Open Thread - Thursday

by whataboutbob
Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 12:09:36 PM EST

Pt Reyes from Limantour Beach

Don Juan said that everyone has their power spots...the photo above is one of mine...a place I could go anytime to clear out my brain, to be re-energized, and find perspective. How about you, got any power spots of note?

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Its been so rainy, dreary and foggy here...I get to daydreaming about long walks on long empty, beautiful beaches (one of the few things I truly miss about living in Switzerland...no beaches!)

Half the population is under the age of 18. Tanzania's future is NOW...join the 50% campaign!
by whataboutbob on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 12:11:14 PM EST
The blackberry bushes along the road to the paper shop are beginning to deliver lots of ripe fruit. A 15 minute walk seems to take longer and longer as I have to just check the ripeness of each bush.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 12:31:00 PM EST
Helen gets home with purple-stained newspapers and mouth!

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 12:45:20 PM EST
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I try to keep it off the newspapers !!

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 12:48:04 PM EST
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- Cars top 5 million on Belgian roads
Thu 30/08/07 - The number of cars registered in Belgium has topped 5 million for the first time. This total has risen sharply over the past decade.

The latest figures show that 5,048,723 cars are registered in our country.

If buses, vans and lorries are included, the figure approaches 6 million.

In addition a further 375,000 motorbikes are registered here.

     
 

Interesting fact to know: there are 10.4 million Belgians.  In case some foreign army want to invade Belgium: we'll simply put our cars in the street, nobody can get through this mess. You are warned.

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)

by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 12:39:44 PM EST
I'd love to hear your perception of the current political situation in Belgium (since you've done great diaries on the elections there back in June).
by Laurent GUERBY on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 02:15:13 PM EST
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Well, it's kind of a soap for the moment.
Lots of spectacular tittle's in the press (country is falling apart.....) but I think it will take at least another two weeks before the negotiations will have some result.
The question is how far to the right politics will shift and the linguistic hoopla is only a smokescreen for this.

But soon as there is some light, I'll write a diary.

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)

by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 02:53:56 PM EST
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Thanks!
by Laurent GUERBY on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:46:01 PM EST
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A few papers picked up on this development at the major Scottish insurer etc - Standard Life

SL Capital Partners LLP

But of course only a monomaniac like me sees this example of a "Capital Partnership" as further evidence that the "Open Corporate" UK LLP is in the process of making the Limited Liability Company redundant.

 Explaining the rationale behind the restructure, SLI said as private equity investors make capital commitments for long periods of time - at around 14 years - they want some guarantee on who will manage their money over the period. By giving investment managers a stake in the business, they are more likely to stay, it added.

Odd, isn't it, that people are more likely to stay if they participate in a business?

It is hoped the new structure will encourage investment managers to write more business, as they will take a 40 per cent share in the profits, as well as help retain existing clients.

SLI will, of course, benefit from LLP being successful as it is the majority owner.

Doesn't take the brains of a rocking-horse, really, does it?

IMHO any business that does not use this structure will be at a disadvantage to one that does.

Watch this space.

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:11:02 PM EST

What are all those dots? People who are receiving farm subsidy payments under the Farm Bill.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:12:26 PM EST
Last time I was in Central Park, I didn't see any combine harvesters....funny, that.
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:16:12 PM EST
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They've replanted.  Everybody's growing corn everywhere now.  Ethanol, you know.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:17:43 PM EST
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well there's none in the park, perhaps they've been reading Magnifico's roof garden diary. ;-)

As we journey through life, we should keep an iron grip, to the very end, on the capacity for silliness. It preserves the soul from dessication.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:22:26 PM EST
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Farm subsidies to already stinking rich people in their overpriced top floor with roofgarden apartments?

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:19:25 PM EST
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That's a nice uplifting site.  So is where the caucus of the banned malcontents is held nowadays?  

Actually, I like the subversive tone.  Just miffed it's not work-friendly. ... must. get. effing. computer...

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:21:20 PM EST
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"Markos really sucks" gets old real quick...

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:24:34 PM EST
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Those aren't dots, they're Heritage Tomato ranches.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:30:40 PM EST
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or...<gasp>...an attack of killer tomatoes...

(ay yi yi...)

Half the population is under the age of 18. Tanzania's future is NOW...join the 50% campaign!

by whataboutbob on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 02:08:29 PM EST
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I can't understand why we Europeans are so afraid of GM food...

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 02:08:34 PM EST
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I'll tell you why:

most people think that GM food  is as harmless as cross-breeding plants to get the desired characteristic.  This is not the case.  By inserting a gene sequence into an organism, you have absolutely no idea what will happen because gene sequences overlap, and genetics has just discovered that it takes two or more gene sequences to have a characteristic expressed, not just the one as we had always thought.

There's been a case where scientists wanted to introduce a gene sequence for vitamin A in a plant, but once the plant was mature, they realized that an unknown, poisonous compound was also being produced.

The testing of these GM products isn't extensive enough to rule things of this sort out because the mechanism is not yet fully understood.  

Also, with cross-pollination occurring in the wild, this can happen by accident.  

by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 02:12:59 PM EST
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I was making a joke, but point taken...

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 02:16:00 PM EST
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Market insight: There can be no return to `normality'

... disparate viewpoints are unsurprising in a financial system where risk has been diced and sliced to the nth degree in overstructured products.

The whole essence of complex investment vehicles such as collateralised debt and loan obligations is that they drive a giant wedge between portfolio perception and economic reality.

(...)

Credit conditions have, after all, tightened across the board. Parts of the credit markets remain closed.

(...)

The whole of the US housing market is a gigantic Achilles' heel for the financial system as recent numbers for housing starts confirm.

How this will affect players in the global financial system is impossible to predict because a peculiar feature of this 21st century financial crisis is its opacity. Nobody knows where risk has ended up, which is why confidence and liquidity drained away in the first place. (...)

US home lending has been a huge driver of global demand. It is now going into reverse, with analysts such as Bill Gross of the Pimco fund management group expecting house price deflation in the US of up to 10 per cent in the absence of governmental intervention to prop up the market. On present policy, it is hard to see how the change in mortgage market conditions can fail to precipitate an economic slowdown.

(...)

The large chunk of corporate profits attributable to finance in the US and UK is also a bear pointer. While central banks have so far succeeded in keeping the financial show on the road, the problems of the housing market and the flakiness of the accountancy for complex financial instruments means that there is a drip feed of bad news yet to come.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:18:47 PM EST

Big Questions for Big Oil

In such circumstances [higher oil prices], one would expect such commentators to be bullish about the prospect for independent oil companies (IOCs) such as Exxon Mobil, Royal Dutch Shell and BP. Rising oil prices have pushed these companies' profits sky-high over the past five years. Yet a growing number of industry voices suggest that the era of the vertically integrated supermajor may be over, and that IOCs have been unable to adapt to the new global business environment.

Second-quarter results in late July saw Shell, BP, ConocoPhilips and Exxon Mobil all report declining output. Jeroen van der Veer, the chief executive of Shell -- the only firm to post an overall rise in net income on the back of record refining revenues -- said the company was "rejuvenating" itself through production from unconventional projects such as Canadian tar sands and LNG projects in Qatar. Such marginal activities are now having an effect on the balance sheet as returns from traditional operations -- namely, sub-surface crude oil and gas production -- begin to disappoint.

IOCs are facing both structural and cyclical challenges. Depressed oil prices throughout the mid- to late 1990s caused a period of low investment in new exploration by IOCs and nationalized oil companies (NOCs) alike, which has left many firms reliant on a relatively smaller number of "superfields" that are beginning to dry up. As the oil price has steadily risen, several governments -- most notably in Russia and Venezuela -- have responded by expropriating foreign-owned oil and gas fields for their own state-run firms, usually under the guise of environmental transgressions or tax irregularities.

(...)

Total, which was competing against Statoil and Chevron for the [Shtokman] contract, had little choice but to accept these punitive terms since IOCs' business models are predicated on developing access to new reserves. Yet paying for the privilege diverts cash away from R&D, an area in which IOCs need to invest heavily if they are to compete with oil services providers. Throughout the postwar period, IOCs have pioneered advances in exploratory and extractive technologies. But their recent underinvestment within a highly cyclical industry means the services providers, funded by huge contracts from newly cash-flush NOCs, are now set to lead the research field. Recent figures suggest that while Exxon Mobil plans to spend $650 million on R&D in 2007, Schlumberger will spend $720 million, further squeezing IOCs' future technological advantage.

So what is the future for IOCs? A further round of mergers is unlikely because of stringent Western competition rules, as BP and Shell once concluded. Ironically, the paradox of the high oil price is that all the major IOCs are beginning to divest their noncore assets, such as refineries and consumer-distribution infrastructure, even as their profits in oil and gas production should be rising.

With NOCs undertaking ever-more challenging exploration -- Pemex, the Mexican state oil company, recently leased three semisubmersible drilling rigs which can operate in 5,000 feet of water -- competition between oil services providers and IOCs to provide technical support will intensify. Such competition is likely to radically reshape the oil industry over the next two decades. Total's deal over Shtokman may represent the beginning of the end of the supermajor.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:25:12 PM EST
IOC, NOC? These finance types are on total overdrive with their acronym-creationism.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:38:01 PM EST
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IOKIYAOC

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:40:22 PM EST
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GYAOOTC and GYBOOYA?

_Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena._
by metavision on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 04:54:13 PM EST
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Total's deal over Shtokman may represent the beginning of the end of the supermajor

Or perhaps the End of the Beginning for the supermajor as service provider....

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:36:23 PM EST
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to post all that in the OT, but I´d be on drugs, if I had to get through those articles everyday!

independent oil companies
newly cash-flush NOCs,
because of stringent Western competition rules,
...

--´Independent´ has such a nice ring to it.  Like the little mom and pop operation.  

--Those bad, bad, nouveau riche countries...

--I´d hate to see the world if competition rules were loosy-goosey...

_Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena._

by metavision on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 04:37:34 PM EST
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  • An offer from Amazon.co.uk
  • An offer from Amazon.com
  • An offer from Amazon.de
  • An offer from Amazon.fr

Moral: don't ever order anything from Amazon, lest your mailbox be bombarded...

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:30:29 PM EST
7 years now and zero euro from me to amazon. Some old emails for the reason:


From:     Laurent Guerby
To:     feedback@amazon.com
Subject:     Amazon and Software Patents
Date:     Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:44:41 +0100

Hi,

Up to a few monthes a go I enjoyed being an Amazon customer, I ordered
quite a few book on both amazon.com and amazon.co.uk.  The quality of
service has always been excellent, the web site easy to use, kudos to
all of hard working Amazon staff people.

But I learned that Amazon has sued competitors over a software
patent (US patent 5,960,411).

I cannot agree with such a tactic. Patenting obvious ideas, and
patenting software in general is very bad, and it doesn't do any good
to you business. Letting your company being run by your lawyers
will do no good to your business.

I therefore will stop being an Amazon customer. I will buy my books
from other companies. and I already made my friends aware of the
issue, and it looks like they will also buy their book elsewhere.

I hope that you will see sooner than later what is good for
your business, stop these silly legal assaults and apologize.
I'll then be happy to be an Amazon customer again.

Sincerely,

Laurent Guerby
Paris, FRANCE.

Answer:


From:     feedback@amazon.com
Subject:     Your Feedback to Amazon.com
Date:     Sun, 13 Feb 2000 19:27:39 -0800 (PST) (Mon, 04:27 CET)

Dear Laurent,

Thank you for taking the time to share your views with us.  Not
surprisingly, we have received a variety of reactions from customers
about the preliminary injunction awarded to Amazon.com in its patent
infringement lawsuit against barnesandnoble.com.

Because the case is still pending, we are unable to discuss the
specifics of this litigation.  As a general matter, however, we agree
with United States District Judge Marsha J. Pechman's ruling that
"granting Amazon.com's preliminary injunction will serve the public
interest" in part because "protection of intellectual property rights
in innovations will foster greater competition and innovation."  To
that end, Amazon.com will certainly continue innovating on behalf of
its customers.

Judging from some customers' e-mails, there appears to be significant
confusion about the scope and nature of Amazon.com's patent.  For more
comprehensive information about the patent and the circumstances of the
lawsuit, the full text of the federal court decisions in the case may be
viewed at:  http://www.mccutchen.com/are/ip/ip_001.htm

We appreciate feedback from customers about this lawsuit and other
important issues concerning Amazon.com, and we carefully consider all
viewpoints expressed.  We hope you will continue to let us know how we
can improve our service to customers.

Best regards,

Kerry Rutherford
Amazon.com

by Laurent GUERBY on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 02:11:18 PM EST
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You have to make sure to "opt out"...I mean, if they let you have that choice...

Half the population is under the age of 18. Tanzania's future is NOW...join the 50% campaign!
by whataboutbob on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:40:35 PM EST
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I have problems ordering things from Amazon.fr when not living in France
by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:41:51 PM EST
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I suppose living outside of the EU complicates things?

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:44:02 PM EST
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I forget exactly what it was, but it seemed like amazon.fr couldn't actually believe that someone outside of France was ordering something from them
by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:57:23 PM EST
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Peculiar. It works smoothly whenever I order. Though postage rates to Finland is absolutely murder...

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 02:07:21 PM EST
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so Finland is the forgotten corner of Europe, like Maine is the forgotten corner of the USA, Labrador of Canada, and Baja California of Mexico.  

It's always the northernmost part.  

by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 02:52:51 PM EST
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As long as I don't have to eat lobster, I'm fine with being the Maine of Europe...

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 02:57:32 PM EST
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Oh, please, please!  May I have yours?

Now I can´t get ´fresh, steamed, Maine lobster´ out of my mind.

_Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena._

by metavision on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 04:44:49 PM EST
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By all means, have mine! I ain't eating 'em!

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 04:58:12 PM EST
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ireland.com - The Irish Times - Thu, Aug 30, 2007 - Ireland warming twice as fast as rest of world, report finds

Ireland is warming up at twice the rate of the rest of the world on average, according to a new climate change report compiled by the Environmental Protection Agency. Tim O'Brien reports.

The report which analysed meteorological records going back more than 100 years concluded that Ireland warmed up by 0.42 degrees per decade between 1980 and 2004, about twice the levels of increase globally.

Entitled Key Meteorological Indicators of Climate Change in Ireland, the report also warned that the rate of warming in Ireland was still accelerating.

     
2007 - Environmental Protection Agency, Ireland
Date released: Aug 29 2007
· Ireland's mean annual temperature has increased by 0.7oC between 1890 and 2004.
· The average rate of increase is 0.06oC per decade. However, as Ireland experiences considerable climate variability, the trend is not linear.
· The highest ten yearly rate of increase has occurred since 1980, with a warming rate of 0.42oC per decade.
· Six of the 10 warmest years have occurred since 1990; however, 1945 was the warmest year on record.
· There has been a reduction in the number of frost days and a shortening of the frost season length.
· The annual precipitation has increased on the north and west coasts, with decreases or small increases in the south and east.
· The wetter conditions on the west and north coastal regions appear due to increases in rainfall intensity and persistence.
· There is an increase in precipitation events over 10mm on the west coast with decreases on the east coast; there is an increase in the amount of rain per rain day on the west coast.
 


The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:49:58 PM EST
Huh. well ET is now...for all intents and purposes...Irish, so we are truly in the middle of things now.

Half the population is under the age of 18. Tanzania's future is NOW...join the 50% campaign!
by whataboutbob on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 02:13:04 PM EST
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Me and Nostradamus were lying in the sun, listening to the waves slap up against the seals.  He looked remarkably fit for an old guy, considering the vigors of time travel, but i was no slouch either, as i considered the march of the centuries i'd seen.  Nosti bummed a smoke, as he tried to enlighten me on why the land of that Avatar Paddy was warming so quickly.

"Digging up the prime peat to sell to the Scots, so they can sell their whiskey at ever higher prices to the Japanese industrymen," he sloughed.  "And now all the smokers have to go outside to light up... why are scientists so mufferfookin' blind!"

i didn't know how to respond, but Nosti was on the case.  "Don't answer that," he predicted.  So i didn't, and it came true.

We sat quietly for a moment, interrupted only by the seals begging smokes, as we both sat spellbound watching the future volcano that was Pt. Reyes erupt with a fury only future generations would understand.  I drifted off, sadly watching the demise of the Bay Area i'd grown to love... too painful to watch as the lava damned the Golden Gate.

The sting of his palm across my face brought me back to the beach.  "Wake up, you Mars square in the seventh house Aschloch!"  so i did, once again a testament to his predilective perspicacity.

To this day i remain stunned as Nosti spun a detailed description of the Ley Lines running beneath the very center of the European Tribune, and how they too would erupt, coalescing power around the very spot from which the Peak Oil drop would be drilled.

Nostradamus sprang up, shaking the sand from his monstrous appendage as the seals quaked in fear and the hippy virgins began streaming down to the beach from Bolinas.  "The days of ET are numbered,"  he chirped, "for the very statistics have turned against them."

The heavens thundered as he pointed his member at their membership, and i was rocked across the cliffs by the mighty, angry Winds at about 29 meters per second, well beyond cut-out speed, falling panting before the base as the fiery seas clutched at my legs.

The fire dissolved into a soft, luscious licking around the corners of my mouth.  "Did you have another of those mysoginist Limantour Beach dreams, my love?"

I surrendered into the arms of my 26 year old lover, as she whispered, "Tell me again the part about the appendage and the volcano."

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 02:39:35 PM EST
Wow! i don't need Castenada anymore.

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:16:25 PM EST
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Nostradamus attempted to butt into our conversation the other day, only it wasn't him, just an imposter.  He came across pleading for deliverance and a toke on the joint.  We passed it across then skedaddled.  He'd been talking philosophy with two contessas and a principessa, lived in a house with no running water inside.

"So, you have water outside?" I said.

Seems he never got the hang of that "buy tube, drill hole, voila!  Water in house" business.

But, hey, that wasn't Nostradamus!

Indeed.  Nostradamus told me to offer you this.



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 04:22:13 PM EST
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...which finishes abruptly (after eight minutes)...but rather than offer you parts two, three, and four, here's something that finishes.

and what the hecka hello!

And talking of pre-renaissance art (as I have been), and for those who cannae pick up videos, here are three that I remember from the National Gallery

Benozzo Gozzoli

The image is small, I know, but those haloes glow gold, and maybe it's just me but I get a strong indian-gods sense from the form, the colours.

Cosimo Tura

The lady with the dragons, the queen of berries, or--as Cosimo Tura titled it--"Primavera", or "Spring", or "An Allegorical Figure"

and finally:

Alesso Baldovinetti

The original looks fresher, fine lines, the motif on the sleeve...ach...the originals are worth a look, sez I!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 05:20:41 PM EST
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I prefer Chopin's 1st piano concerto, second movement
by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 04:34:44 PM EST
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by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 04:36:26 PM EST
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(You'll have to turn it up a bit)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 05:34:15 PM EST
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_Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena._
by metavision on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 04:56:41 PM EST
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Oui. Je me rapelle bien, d'avoir vu Piaf a l'Olympia en '62.



I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.

by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:40:28 PM EST
How Political Psychology Explains Bush's Ghastly Success

Provides some experimental evidence that Bush won in '04 because of 9-11.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 04:22:29 PM EST
It's like they do things over there just so I have material for Odds & Ends!

Такого, как Путин!

MOSCOW (AFP) -- Stuffed rabbits singing a pop song proclaiming their love for Russian President Vladimir Putin are selling like hot cakes in the Urals city of Yekaterinburg.

Lyrics:
http://russmus.net/song.jsp?band=Poyushchie_Vmeste&album=0&song=0

Video:
http://www.siberianlight.net/2007/08/29/i-want-a-man-like-dobby-err-like-putin/


"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 05:01:11 PM EST
Well, that settles the souvenir issue...

(though Ekaterinburg is a bit out of my way)

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde

by NordicStorm on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 05:10:18 PM EST
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Tetons coming south from Yellowstone

Never been there that I didn't feel peaceful.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson

by NearlyNormal on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 09:39:05 PM EST
I recently learned that in astrology, there are areas on the planet where one will have better or worse "luck" than in other areas.

I'd go on a little more about this, including a free way to find out about your lucky geography spots are,  if I was sure I wasn't going to be censored for it.  

by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 12:34:26 PM EST
I recently learned that in astrology, there are areas on the planet where one will have better or worse "luck" than in other areas.

Hehehe! Accounting for geographic differences, so that's the newest.

Account for precession or ignore precession, recognise a 13th zodiac sign or not, constellation of planets now and during birth (horoscope) or just the Sun's during birth ('normal' astrology), inclusion of Uranus and Neptune, not to mention Pluto... for me the trained astronomer, the fact that you can find a school of astrology for any prediction makes it ridiculous enough. Then there are the crooks, the psychology of interpreting Delphic vagueness as fitting for oneself, twin studies...

At least the astrology fans calling the Astronomy Department at my university were neither as numerous nor as obnoxious as UFO enthusiasts (ya' know, all of us actual and former and trained astronomers are part of the Grand Conspiracy To Hide The Truth Out There and so on).

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:32:29 PM EST
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In my introductory astronomy class in university, I'd estimate that approximately one-third of the students who took the course honestly thought they'd be learning about Zodiac signs.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:35:31 PM EST
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Ugh... Now THAT's bad! At my university, in my year, the number of the latter was zero, but there were UFO crazies. On the other hand, I know a genius of an engineer, a colleague, who swears for horoscopes (and dismisses 'astrology'), though all these years, I have not been able to determine whether he really believes it, or more likes the mythology behind it and the exercise of chart-making.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:47:35 PM EST
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Oh, I have sadder stories from that class.  One particularly cringe-inducing moment went like this:

The professor, whose full-time job was being director of the local planetarium, brought a very nice telescope to class with him one evening about three weeks into the class.  There was a particularly good view of Saturn available at the time, and so after class he set up the telescope and, one by one, each of us (about 150 students) peered through it at the planet.  I was tremendously impressed with the sight myself, as were most of the other students.  I stood nearby for a while afterward listening as my classmates oooohed and aaahed and wowed as they took their turns.

But then there was this pretty girl, talking to several boys.   In a ditzy voice right out of Central Casting, she said -- and I am not making this up, she said it in the third week of a college-level astronomy course:

"So, are all of the stars planets then?"

There was an uncomfortable silence.  And then one of her male companions -- and I swear I am not making this up -- said in response:

"Uh, I think the difference is that a planet reflects light, but a star makes its own light.  But you might want to ask him."  "Him" being the professor.

Sigh.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:58:04 PM EST
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Ugh... so they all went for the astronomy course just to flirt, or what?

I must ask for an upgrade of my cultural reference library on this BTW:

In a ditzy voice right out of Central Casting

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 02:10:08 PM EST
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A lot of them were art majors; the school of the arts required only one semester of science with no lab requirement.  They thought it would be easier than, for example, biology.

Ditzy, I assume you know?  Stupid and airheaded.  "Central Casting" is a Hollywood-inspired term -- basically, if you're looking for the stereotypical villain or ingenue or another one-dimensional fill-in-the-blank character, Central Casting will send over someone to fit the bill.  Central Casting is actually a real casting company for extras, stand-ins and so on, but the name has come into wider use for stereotyped characters....

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 02:52:31 PM EST
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I have spent lots of time in the Canadian wilderness and have seen strange things in the sky, but I still can't believe in UFO's.  I think that if one landed in front of me, the door opened, little green people came out and started carrying me into their craft, I would still find it hard to believe it wasn't swamp gas or moose farts making me hallucinate.
by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:53:57 PM EST
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I doo believe in Unidentified Flying Objects. I have seen many flying objects I couldn't identify. Now whether they are alien spaceships, is another thing.

But the silly thing with asking astronomers is that people who operate giant remote-controlled telescopes that capture one small spot of the sky for ten minutes on a CCD and then spend most of their time (or, all of their time) post-processing and writing articles are MUCH LESS likely to observe a flying saucer than a common citizen looking up the sky on the walk home from work.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 02:04:33 PM EST
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<insert joke here>
by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 02:19:54 PM EST
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I mean, why ask people studying what's 10,000 lightyears away about stuff whizzing by 0.00001 light-seconds away?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 02:27:07 PM EST
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so whom should we ask?
by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 02:29:47 PM EST
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Meteorologists, air traffic controllers, pilots, people on a night shift.

Tho', among the most frequent UFO sightings are Venus or Jupiter after longer cloudy periods. Amateur astronomers can handle that...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 02:46:11 PM EST
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...last year in Fyffe alabama, they had all these UFO sightings. And apparently everyone in the town saw these UFOs. So I asked them what it was like. And this guy said "oh man, it was incredible, people wuz coming from miles around to look at 'em. Lotta people came armed".

People are bringing shotguns...to UFO sightings. Kinda brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "You ain't from round here, are ya boy ?".
I said to this guy "Why did y'all bring shotguns ?"
The guy said "Well, we didn't want to be abducted"
I'm thinking "Yea, and leave all this" Dude, if I lived in Fyffe, I'd be on my hands and knees every morning praying for abduction. And believe me, I would not be picky. Greyhound...Abduct me."
But I said "what do you mean...abducted ?"
He said "Well, they abduct people and perform scientific and medical experiments on 'em"
I said "Well maybe we'll get lucky and it's some kind of sterility/dentistry programme they got going. Maybe they come down, castrate you, straighten your teeth and split. A sorta clean up the universe pact"
He said "Huh ?"

I tell ya, that's starting to to depress me about UFOs. The fact that they cross galaxies to visit us and they end up in places like Fyffe, Alabama.Maybe these aren't super-intelligent beings, maybe they're like hillbilly aliens. Some intergalactic Joad family. "Oh, we don't wanna land in New York or LA. Nah, we just had a long trip - we're gonna kick back and whittle some. We're gonna enter our spaceship in the tractor pull...hu-huh"

Being invaded by rednecks. that's my greatest fear.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:19:59 PM EST
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LOL Of The Year!

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:53:16 PM EST
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I'm laughing so hard it hurts!!!!!!!!!!!!

This one is for the books!

_Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena._

by metavision on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 05:02:03 PM EST
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I remember being in the woods at night with my brother who is a really big sci-fi fan.  

We saw a strange set of lights a few miles away over the lake, and I asked him to take the canoe with me to go check it out.

He didn't want to.  That was so cute.  

by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 02:31:59 PM EST
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the hallucinogenic qualities of moose farts {boggles}. Now there's a study that needs to be done (by somebody else)

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 02:11:52 PM EST
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that's funny.  
by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:37:02 PM EST
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It wasn't so funny for the poor professor...
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:41:59 PM EST
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My late professor, a man who could remain cheerful in every situation (yet AFAIK died early of a heart ailment) used to have fun with the astrology and UFO callers. Less so with stupid journalists who never understood even the basics.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:52:50 PM EST
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Oh man, that's sad. And people wonder why astronomer's get grumpy about star signs.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:45:32 PM EST
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By the way, I didn't knew about astrology until I got into West Germany. Then for a while I mixed the two German [Latin] terms. So when I participated in a math competition for the school there, and the local paper interviewed me and asked what I want to be, "Astrologer" ended up in print...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:57:54 PM EST
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sorry, that should be censured not censored
by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:00:30 PM EST
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are you actually going to post every day on astrology in the hope that you will actually be censored, and then clamour that you are a victim?

Just for the record, the topic annoys me. The fact that, since I mentioned that, you have latched onto the topic repeatedly, with no content whatsover beyond saying "astrology", suggests that you are doing this specifically to annoy me. This, in turn, points that you purposedly want to be disruptive and disrespectful of me and of this site.

Therefore your complaints about the site, and specifically about the supposed lack of respect you are shown, are just a big farce.

Feel free to continue to make a fool of yourself. You mostly amuse me, now.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:06:23 PM EST
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You are a tease, Mmmmm....

If Solveig let on that she were a Virgo smoker, she would be in deep, deep, trouble......
;-)

To me, the evening thread is when we can lighten up and have a laugh: f..k knows why I just put in a serious post - I guess it's just that people have got tired of my Diaries...

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:22:58 PM EST
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What's this about Virgo smokers?  Not that I know of any.  Thank God.  But what's the going punishment for that these days?  In case I run into one, so I can warn them, you know.  Decapitation by windmill blade?  Or does J just nag them till they slit their wrists?  Should they flee the country?  Anyone offering asylum to the refugees of Jerome's tyranny?  What's expected in return for harboring such a criminal?  I don't have a lot of money but I can dance.  Not that I'd ever have to worry about that, of course...  <<cough, cough ... hack...>>

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:37:57 PM EST
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Solveig is laughing so hard she can't even see the keyboard....

And how Headmaster J can possibly worry about astrology when his entire class are smoking behind the toilets while chanting eye eye, ai ai, aye aye, ey aye addio or whatever, defeats me...

Where's Deputy Head Migeru when he's needed to restore order....

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:45:11 PM EST
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Chris, Jerome's not worried about astrology, he's irritated by stupid attention-seeking people like mmmm - the kind of person who rushes to be the first to announce that Castro is dead on the basis of a rumour in a night-club, then tries to blame the Cuban government - on the basis of that unimpeachable source, Bush and co. Then tries various implausible theories to deny the obvious.

The kind of person who says we can speculate about anything, but when one speculates about their motives in trying to blame the Cuban government, gets upset.

The kind of person who thinks it's "inspiring" to inform us that they have perfect pitch - hard work to achieve some difficult goal is inspiring, not a natural talent.

The kind of person who thinks it is cute to go on about astrology in the hope of annoying others and getting censored so they can seem to be a victim. But Jerome was too kind - I don't find it amusing, it's just rather sad.

By the way Chris, YOU might see the open thread as a welcome opportunity to "lighten up" and I'm sure you were making an effort to lighten up the atmosphere with your comments. That's fine and clearly many others feel like you, but some of us also enjoy serious discussion and don't appreciate time-wasters like mmmm (see this thread) - and I hope Jerome and Migeru will continue to be critical of people like that.

Oh, and I'm sorry that you feel your diaries don't get the attention they deserve - a lot of us feel like that :-)

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 06:15:07 PM EST
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sorry, what is a Virgo smoker?
by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:25:04 PM EST
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A Virgo who smokes...cigarettes...! <hiding>...
by Solveig (link2ageataol.com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:29:43 PM EST
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okay, that's what I thought but I still don't understand.  

anyway, there's been lots of interesting news lately.  I heard the Russians are thinking of moving their nuclear missiles back into Belarus.  

by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:31:31 PM EST
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I think there's a lot of smoke going on around nuclear deployments right now. I'd agree that Bush has got a lot of people worried, we all know he and Cheney really are mad enough...so there's a lot of pretending to rattle sabres that are probably not as battle worthy as they like to pretend they are.

Frankly, if the ex-soviet submarine fleet is anything to go by, I'm not sure the Russian nuclear missile fleet is in any fit state to move, let alone fly.

Still, they can say they're going to Belarus....

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:43:54 PM EST
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I've worked with a lot of engineers who loved Russian engineering, and I tend to agree.  Their mechanical engineering is excellent.  Their electrical engineering, not so good.

Their aeronautical designs are also very, very good.  A lot of aeronautical equations are named after Russians, and a lot of numerical analysis techniques as well.  

They may not have had the money to do maintenance, but their mechanical design is built to last, baby.  

The most brilliant engineers I have worked with are Russians and Germans.  And, a lot of Polish engineers I have worked with have stated the same thing, surprisingly.  

So, I wouldn't discount them yet.  

by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:50:18 PM EST
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what would you rather do:

  •  take a Soyuz rocket to the International Space Station

  •  take the Space Shuttle to the ISS
by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 02:34:00 PM EST
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Going there or coming back?

As we journey through life, we should keep an iron grip, to the very end, on the capacity for silliness. It preserves the soul from dessication.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:12:40 PM EST
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both.  remember that O ring failure for Columbia?
by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:28:16 PM EST
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You mean Challenger?

You have a normal feeling for a moment, then it passes. --More--
by tzt (tztmail at gmail dot com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 04:12:54 PM EST
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right.  I have my exploding Space Shuttles mixed up.  
by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 04:18:39 PM EST
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I may have mentioned before that I used to know someone who was contracting on one of the iterations of the ISS.

I thought it would be fun to suggest that she'd like a ride on the Shuttle for a birthday present.

She said "Are you crazy? You'd never get me into that thing. I've seen the plans."

New Scientist had a feature about fifteen years ago quantifying the risk of the shuttle program and predicting that there would be 2-3 catastrophic failures.

No one paid any attention. But still.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 04:29:13 PM EST
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I worked on software on the ISS
by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 04:32:44 PM EST
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on the ISS or for the ISS? ;-)

As we journey through life, we should keep an iron grip, to the very end, on the capacity for silliness. It preserves the soul from dessication.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 05:30:51 PM EST
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Does it predict the ISS's position from zodiac signs? ;-)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 05:56:26 PM EST
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Well as long as it uses a compatible zodiac

As we journey through life, we should keep an iron grip, to the very end, on the capacity for silliness. It preserves the soul from dessication.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 06:04:34 PM EST
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come now, how unscientific can you be?  the horoscopes we have are for earth-based creatures ;-)
by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 06:06:27 PM EST
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One of my favourite space quotes is this one

"It's a very sobering feeling to be up in space and realize that one's safety factor was determined by the lowest bidder on a government contract."

-- Alan Shepherd

As we journey through life, we should keep an iron grip, to the very end, on the capacity for silliness. It preserves the soul from dessication.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 05:35:57 PM EST
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And I'm a Fire sign who DOESN'T smoke....
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:32:21 PM EST
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you guys are getting me into even more trouble
by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:34:46 PM EST
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Well, I haven't got tired of your diaries. It's just that like a lot of Jerome's, I don't have the background to do anything other than read them and go "oh !!"

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:38:37 PM EST
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more graphs. I mean, unfortunately, there are many numbskulls out there like me who thrive on visuals. So when you are discussing your pithy topics, throw in some graphs and photos, and then you got our curiosity. It works. Ask Jeromë!

Half the population is under the age of 18. Tanzania's future is NOW...join the 50% campaign!
by whataboutbob on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 01:43:56 PM EST
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But for the love of god don't ask him using that mis