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Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 01:20:26 PM EST

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After going through the 12x8 topics for the oral part of my rail traffic rules exam again, my head is about to explode...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 01:25:57 PM EST
Yuk. Good luck with it.

I have spent half the day stuffing envelopes. Mind numbingly boring, especially in the knowledge that most people will throw everything away and it is a horrible waste of paper and money.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 01:34:30 PM EST
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In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 01:36:52 PM EST
Well, that's obviously Sarkozy on the right, and I would guess the woman sitting next to him is his ex-wife. The couple on the left looks very familiar but I don't know who they are.

"You can't be a successful crook with a dishonest face, now, can you?" -The Fourth Doctor
by lychee (lychee9393 A yahoo D com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 01:51:34 PM EST
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You see Sarko's first and future second wife, Cécilia being the latter.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:21:06 PM EST
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Heh. I heard of the story that Sarko got to know Cécilia when he wed her to her first husband, but only after looking at that photo and checking on Wiki did I realise it was a certain media personality...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:22:45 PM EST
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Is the baby on the left Carla Bruni?

;D

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 01:55:05 PM EST
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I was wondering about that!

"You can't be a successful crook with a dishonest face, now, can you?" -The Fourth Doctor
by lychee (lychee9393 A yahoo D com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:34:25 PM EST
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Is the other couple Holland and royal ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:00:37 PM EST
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Is N's forehead photoshopped, or is that indicative of some imbalance say, from generations of you know with inbred clerics or something?

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:23:25 PM EST
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I think the that's just egogenic swelling.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:30:39 PM EST
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OK, folks, on the left is the late French TV presenter Jacques Martin with his wife Cecilia. They were married by the mayor of the swish town where they resided, Neuilly-sur-Seine. The mayor of Neuilly who married them is on the right with his wife.

Babies all round before the mayor took over the TV presenter's wife...

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:44:09 PM EST
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"swish town"?

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:57:25 PM EST
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swell, swanky.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:03:56 PM EST
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BTW, after the rumour that Carla is preggers comes a report today in a usually dependable regional paper, that Nicolas and Carla are already married.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:06:56 PM EST
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Yeap, de Gondi posted this important piece of news in the Salon today. :-)

http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2008/1/14/12022/1986#99

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:12:37 PM EST
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Methinks this is a morganatic marriage. Their offspring won't be in the line of succession to the throne! (;

You're clearly a dangerous pinko commie pragmatist.
by Vagulus on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 10:12:33 PM EST
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They didn't stay together that long though. Did he think he could just, like, borrow her?

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:08:31 PM EST
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Bah. Woke up late today. I feel like time's slipping away too quickly today.

"You can't be a successful crook with a dishonest face, now, can you?" -The Fourth Doctor
by lychee (lychee9393 A yahoo D com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 01:53:45 PM EST
I've felt like that since Xmas. Not helped by a severe lack of get up and go which means that nothings getting done cos I'm finding it hard to be bothered.

The weather doesn't help, Overcast, dull, cold, rain and windy.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 01:59:26 PM EST
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At least you can blame the weather. It's been near spring-like here (not to brag, just to show I've got no excuse for sitting around).

"You can't be a successful crook with a dishonest face, now, can you?" -The Fourth Doctor
by lychee (lychee9393 A yahoo D com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:41:20 PM EST
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Whereabouts are you in the states, lychee?

The weather really has been weird this year.  Scorching heat with brutal humidity, and then bitter cold, with about a half-hour of autumn in between.  Nuts.  No wonder everybody's shooting at each other here.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:22:39 PM EST
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Southern California. Heat waves in January aren't that unheard of, but after last week's Arctic rainstorms, seeing people in summer dresses and shorts was unexpected.

"You can't be a successful crook with a dishonest face, now, can you?" -The Fourth Doctor
by lychee (lychee9393 A yahoo D com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:34:19 PM EST
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The weather doesn't help, Overcast, dull, cold, rain and windy.

...this being Britain, that's as opposed to -- what, exactly?

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:47:29 PM EST
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As opposed to "dull, overcast, windy, rainy and cold," in that order.  

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:01:29 PM EST
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As opposed to not all of them at once. It doesn't have to be so blackly overcast all day, whether or not it's raining. The wind makes being outside a nuisance. Plus it feels like it's going to rain at any moment.

And for weeks on end too. That ain't right.

I think being in Nottingham has poisoned your attitudes, england is not all grimy Northern town


keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:16:09 PM EST
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I know.  I'm just kidding you, although I found London a good bit more grimy than Nottingham.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:17:53 PM EST
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Credit where credit's due, though:  I'll take Brighton over Washington any day.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:23:36 PM EST
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Nottingham ain't Northern, you Southerner!

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:25:33 PM EST
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Yes, but you know how they are:  Everything North of Islington is "Northern".

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:44:44 PM EST
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And that's for the educated ones. The ones who know there's something North of Watford.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:50:44 PM EST
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They all know there's something.  They just don't want to imagine it -- the savages outside the M25, where the civilized dare not tread.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:56:09 PM EST
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No, speaking as someone who lived in Manchester for seven years I know that. But it is archetypal grimy Northern town just like Bury or Accrington used to be.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 04:06:12 PM EST
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Spent last night vomiting and the day with a pounding headache, so this will only be a breif visit.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:11:51 PM EST
Oh no - is it the virus?  Get well soon.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:21:57 PM EST
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Cheezuz, as there's been so much illness to our team lately, maybe we should do more health blogging than Sarko blogging.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:25:28 PM EST
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Damn, forgot to say get well quick, all!

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:26:18 PM EST
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Is this that there nobovirus ? Def : A vomiting attack brought on by excessive use of whiteboards.

Get well soon chuck. cuddle a kitten or something.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:24:13 PM EST
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Gaah. Feel better, dude.

"You can't be a successful crook with a dishonest face, now, can you?" -The Fourth Doctor
by lychee (lychee9393 A yahoo D com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:35:56 PM EST
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Oh man. Go crash. Get well.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:38:10 PM EST
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Get well fast. Keep warm and quiet if you can, sleeping might also help. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:53:08 PM EST
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To cheer you up, ceeberman (warning: extreme verbal obscenity)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:20:23 PM EST
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ha ha

I liked the Cannabis now worse than the Nazis

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 04:57:33 PM EST
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I just finished reading the problem page.

Get well soon!

WARNING!  May be kill or cure--

Iggy and the Stooges fête de l'Humanité 2007 (9:02)

...is that nanne at 2:39?

(It has a real gig vibe--)

The music starts

LOOSE!

wavy images--Beware!

(Good morning!  Good evening!)

8*:30-ish he climbs the speaker stack--sudden cut out.)

And then, for we will defeat these bugs!--!!

(If you're awake, can't sleep, need something to watch--I remember this piece, the intro, but really this is my first time listening to it--)

fantastic!

Tchaikowsky - Piano Concerto no. 1 (Cecile Licad) 1/4

Beautiful sounds!

(But the ending of each part is abrupt; if you're enjoying, click straight on the next video)

She's getting marvelous sounds out of that piano.

Tchaikowsky - Piano Concerto no. 1 (Cecile Licad) 2/4

Tchaikowsky - Piano Concerto no. 1 (Cecile Licad) 3/4

(Second movement starts at 2:56)

Tchaikowsky - Piano Concerto no. 1 (Cecile Licad) 4/4

(Final movement starts at 0:20)

YouTube - Tchaikowsky - Piano Concerto no. 1 (Cecile Licad) 2/4

This was a live telecast in 1982 with Cecile Licad performing the Tchiakowsky Piano Concerto no. 1 in B flat minor with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra under the baton of Sir Georg Solti.


Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 06:58:47 PM EST
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That's my French Doppelgänger :-D

I also have an Australian Doppelgänger (some upstart snooker player with altogether too much gel in his hair and a hole in his chin).

rg! I dedicated a comment to you yesterday!

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 08:48:42 PM EST
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I missed it!

Talking of intense/catharsis:

(And I still think it was you at the gig!  Iggy's band...!)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 09:06:16 PM EST
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Ah well, that's just frustrating!

Now a famous theme tune, I hear.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 09:17:48 PM EST
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(And I find a second click takes me to the youtube version...always worth checking!)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 09:19:05 PM EST
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Ugh.  Feel better soon.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:43:51 PM EST
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Am I the only one to miss this?

British-Russian Tension Escalates - New York Times

MOSCOW -- A British cultural organization on Monday defied a Russian government order to close offices in two cities, creating a fresh strain in the already tense relations between Russia and Britain.

Russia's Foreign Ministry summoned the British ambassador to Russia to its offices and threatened a series of punitive measures, including refusing to renew the visas of the organization's staff and opening tax proceedings against the group.

The ambassador, Anthony Brenton, remained publicly defiant after the meeting, saying that the organization planned to continue operating all of its offices. Mr. Brenton also said that Russia's demands violated international law on consular activities.

[...]

The latest disagreement centers on the operations of the British Council, an organization that is operated and funded by the British government to encourage cultural exchange between the two countries.

Of all the issues of major import to disagree on the choose to squabble over... the British Council?

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:33:13 PM EST
RIA Novosti

The British Council, a non-profit organization that promotes education and cultural programs, first established an office in Moscow in the 1990s and went on to open a further 14 offices across Russia.

The organization has been involved in three years of legal wrangling with Russian authorities over the alleged non-payment of tax and issues relating to its legal status.

Many political observers believe the current dispute is inextricably connected with the extradition row over Andrei Lugovoi, Britain's main suspect in the murder of ex-Russian security service member Alexander Litvinenko in London in 2006.

Britain insists that Andrei Lugovoi, a former Kremlin bodyguard, poisoned Litvinenko, and has demanded his extradition. Russia has refused, however, citing its Constitution. The row led to tit-for-tat diplomatic expulsions in July 2006, with President Putin saying that, "Britain forgets it is no longer a colonial power and that Russia was never its colony."




"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:40:13 PM EST
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Yea, I'd heard about it, but as per poemless' post, just assumed it was inter-government petulance that will get fixed at great inconvenience to everybody about a month after a resolution becomes pointless.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:50:00 PM EST
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Yeah, well, I suppose it's better than fingers jabbing red buttons.

That still doesn't make this any less bullshit though.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:56:36 PM EST
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Yep.

Like this.

Rupert Wingfield-Hayes, whom I love to hate almost as much as he loves to hate Russia, waxes philosophical on the Russia-Uk spat and inadvertently divulges some intriguing information:

Mr Lavrov confirmed to me that Gordon Brown has still not bothered to pick up the phone to call Vladimir Putin since taking over as British prime minister.

Damn.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:57:49 PM EST
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Gordon Brown lives in a bubble. He hasn't bothered to speak to his counterparts in other European Union member states. He doesn't seem to like the Bush administration much. He hasn't talked to Putin.

Maybe he's autistic but I've heard that he's just fucking rude.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:00:31 PM EST
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I have to admit that I'm amazed at some of the stuff you hear about Brown. He seems to have this bunker mentality that means that his first instinct to every challenge is to go to ground. A leader he ain't. Also he's a total control freak, nobody can make a decision unless he okays it and he avoids giving quick decisions. So we have creeping paralysis.

I genuinely think Brown is beginning to realise that there's an awful large amount of this job is stuff he hates. Every now and then he grits his teeth to get some done, but sooner rather than later I think he's gonna cut and run. Good riddance, he's an absentee landlord right now.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:09:59 PM EST
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Creepy.  What's wrong with him?  Someone forget to supply him the "How to be Prime Minister" handbook?

Well, given matters like this, I hope he bothers to call Medvedev.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:19:14 PM EST
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I love the way the right wing have been chanting "reform, reform, sell it all, the market will provide" for the last decade without ever noticing where everything was ending up. Now they're squealing about energy security.

Hello !! Earth to neocon, the market doesn't care about security, it cares about profit. And it takes the short term path to maximum profit...every time.

If you want energy security then you need government regulation, y'know that dragon you've spent the lst decade stabbing in the back.

So...shut up will you ? Just shut up. And wipe the drool off your chin.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 04:20:19 PM EST
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The British Council er, has been known to serve as a front for, er, extra-curricular activities not unrelated to shadowy Cold-War-and-after struggles chronicled by such as John Le Carré...

There are some who quite seriously claim it is (on the cultural side, bien entendu) a propaganda outfit serving the cause of English-language imperialism.

All this atavistic posturing by Russia and Britain would be amusing if Cheney and Bush weren't still in charge in DC.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 02:59:30 PM EST
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Not shocked.

Russia has been cracking down on such things for a while, suspicious of their ulterior motives, though particularly NGOs.  

I wonder what it would take for them to shut down the Carnegie Moscow Center... That's gotta be a thorn in their side.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:13:50 PM EST
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Wow, I was just about to mention Freedom House and saw this:

The Russian Freedom House

There appears to be a new potential employer for all the human-rights motivated Russia-watchers out there: the "Institute of Democracy and Cooperation."

Anatoly Kucherena, the director, has stated the goal of the new, Kremlin-backed (although not Kremlin-funded) organization to be "to monitor the observance of human rights in different countries and develop methods of perfecting civil society institutions." Wait, that sounds like the mission of Freedom House. Apparently not: "I have no desire to copy the behavior of organizations like Freedom House . . . . We have completely different tasks. . . . Freedom House has only one goal: to publish data, which was assembled using methodologies that nobody understands, in order to draw attention to themselves."

So, the question remains, what exactly will this organization be doing? In the words of Putin - 'to set up a think tank for freedom and democracy . . . [that] counters the activity of Western nongovernmental organizations operating in Russia." Ah, that makes more sense. It seems that the battle over "truthiness" has escalated.

This appears to be a case of, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.  Or blatant hypocrisy.  Or under appreciated good intentions.  Or "we're just going to keep on doing things to piss you off cuz we can.  hahahaha!"  

BTW:  only one goal: to publish data, which was assembled using methodologies that nobody understands, in order to draw attention to themselves.  Isn't that the actual definition of a Think Tank?

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:34:22 PM EST
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Here's more news (and less snark) on the Institute of Democracy and Cooperation.

Excerpt:

Anatoly Kucherena, a lawyer and member of the Public Chamber, said his foundation's U.S. office would organize expert discussions about elections and human rights issues -- while helping improve Western perceptions of Russia.

Holy cow.  I need to find a job application.  Hell, they owe me back-pay. :)


"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:48:58 PM EST
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When someone asks ya ta leave deh home, ya leave!

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:16:41 PM EST
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afew:
John The British Council er, has been known to serve as a front for, er, extra-curricular activities not unrelated to shadowy Cold-War-and-after struggles chronicled by such as John Le Carré...

Exactly - an institution with enormous historical and cultural - and, as you rightly note, literary - significance.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:28:05 PM EST
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Historical, cultural, and literary.

Reminds me of our Indian Empire.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:52:44 PM EST
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Music for your listening pleasure:



"You can't be a successful crook with a dishonest face, now, can you?" -The Fourth Doctor

by lychee (lychee9393 A yahoo D com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:04:18 PM EST
Cool global pop blogging - that Faye Wong song sounds kind of like the theme from a James Bond movie.

And what country is Plavi Orkestar from anyway?

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:24:24 PM EST
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Thanks :D

Faye Wong is wonderful. Most of her songs are written by genius lyricists. I think she's been semi-retired since having her second kid, though :(

Plavi Orkestar started in the '80s in Yugoslavia (Sarajevo) and also recorded a few albums after the war. The last one was in 1999, but I keep hearing rumors of a new one....

"You can't be a successful crook with a dishonest face, now, can you?" -The Fourth Doctor

by lychee (lychee9393 A yahoo D com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:45:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I give you Hong Kong & Festival (the best parts of Ghost In The Shell resp. its sequel Innocence, here bundled):



*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 04:20:30 PM EST
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Beautiful music, tho my link is loading very s-l-o-w-l-y. The harmonies have a feel that is bery much like the Bulgarian music I've been hearing eg "Les Mysteres des voix bulgares"

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 04:59:19 PM EST
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That's no accident!

Ghost in the Shell (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to the soundtrack's liner notes, the haunting choral song that plays throughout the film is a wedding song, sung to get rid of all evil influences that are about to follow. The lyrics of the song itself seems to reflect the union between Kusanagi and Project 2501 which takes place towards the end of the movie. Kenji Kawai originally wanted to use Bulgarian folk singers, but was unable to find any, so he relied on the Japanese folk song choir he used earlier in the Ranma 1/2 anime. The song uses an ancient form of the Japanese language mixed with Bulgarian harmony and traditional Japanese notes.



*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 05:10:32 PM EST
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wow !! I am really looking forward to the summer folk festival circuit out there that I'm getting plugged into. I go down to this arts centre and they play me this quite amazing music.

I have an album of bulgarian pipe and bagpipe and some of the playing is very reminiscent of Northumbrian and Irish pipe work. Oddly some of the stuff by the Afro-Celt Sound system fits in almost exactly.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 05:25:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, it loads slowly for me too: it seems one bit-heavy YouTube video with lots of downloads.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 05:11:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Who has seen The Super Fight -- the legendary film about the beyond-legendary fight between Muhammad Ali and Rocky Marciano (aka Raging Bull)?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:09:28 PM EST
Raging Bull was Jake La Motta.

I haven't seen the film, but I remember the arguments when the computer decided Rocky Marciano would have beaten Ali.

No way.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:22:45 PM EST
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Ugh... Rocky vs, LaMotta, I messed that up.

The 2005 documentary, which I just saw, does mention criticism of the computer analysis, also that the movie came to be because Ali sued the organiser of the computer games and ended with the latter suing Ali, and experts say Ali developed into a more determined boxer when returning from his ban (during which the film was made).

But what I found fascinating was that the two actually volunteered to stage the computer-generated fight, even if they played 70 rounds without knowing which ones the computer really selected. And seeing the film itself (not seen by anyone in 35 years).

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:48:04 PM EST
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That's a fascinating wikipedia link you gave about it. The computer programming sounds like a joke. Or, not the programming, the real measures. How could they pretend to have blow-by-blow records of fights from early in the century? (I mean, that could usefully be fed into a computer).

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 04:16:15 PM EST
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Consternation in House of Commons over church bill numbered 666

LONDON -
Associated Press

The beast of the Book of Revelation intruded into the banter of the House of Commons on Thursday when a motion calling for the disestablishment of the Church of England was numbered 666.

666 is the number of a beast that "had two horns like a lamb, and ... spake as a dragon," and that "doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men."

"It is incredible that a motion like this should have, by chance, acquired this significant number," said Bob Russell, a Liberal Democrat lawmaker.

"It looks as though God or the devil have been moving in mysterious ways," he said




"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 03:58:26 PM EST
didn't Terry Pratchett once try to write a book called "665 : The neighbour of The Beast" ?

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 04:11:24 PM EST
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There was a whole series of jokes like that.  "669: Girlfriend of the Beast" is the only one I remember.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 04:22:37 PM EST
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Tonight, on Cooking With Stormy...

It was supposed to be lentil soup.  It ended up more like... just lentils and rice.  I made the same basic thing the other night, no recipe, just tossing what I had into the pot to see how it worked out, and it was fan-tas-tic.  I blew myself away.  But since it had been largely improvised, I was pretty sure I wouldn't be able to do it again.

Tonight, I tried, and thought it might turn out even better since I had time to go to the store & buy things that I'd wished for the previous time, like garlic and carrots.  It turned out pretty good, taste-wise, although not as good as the first batch.  But I must've gone way wrong with the measurements, because the liquid got all soaked up really fast, and it was nothing like soup at all.  Tasty, but not soup.

On another note, our cheese supply is sort of intermittent at best, but we seem to be in a particular low at the moment.  By "cheese," I mean European-style cheeses, especially hard ones, not the Arabic soft white cheeses of course, which are in great supply.  Those are fine, but... monotonous.

Usually, over the past years, I've been able to fairly consistently find two things at my local grocery:  a decent Irish-made Cheddar, and a reasonable Grand Padano.  Both have vanished completely now; the Cheddar has actually been gone for well over a month.  I kept waiting for it to come back, but there's no sign of it.

What has appeared on the shelves in the meantime is a locally made Cheddar, which I was loathe to try.  This is an indicator that they may have phased out the imported Cheddar in an effort to sell more of the local product.  Some local Euro-style cheese is OK (there's a pretty good local mozzarella) but I knew I was in for a bad time with this cheddar when I squeezed it and found it... squishy.  Cheddar should not be squishy.

Anyway, I did try it with some broccoli tonight, and it was flippin' awful.  I dunno what kind of cheese that is, but it ain't Cheddar.

Sigh.  Add Cheddar to the list of things I need to smuggle into the country now.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 04:00:19 PM EST
Peak milk...

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 04:02:35 PM EST
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Is it possible to post cheese?! (assuming it didn't go off...)

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 04:09:32 PM EST
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Yes, once it's gone off, it's post-cheese.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 04:13:23 PM EST
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I doubt it.  Customs would have a field day with that.

Nice thought, though.  :-\

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 04:13:43 PM EST
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So apart from it looking like explosives on the x-ray machine. the next time one of us visits egypt, bring Cheddar, and sell it on street corners? (After delivering your cut of course) ;-)

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 05:05:50 PM EST
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Not sure you'd have much luck on the street-corners, but I could probably hook you up with some shifty-eyed expats looking for a Cheddar fix.  My cut will be hefty, though... ;-)

I looked at the ingredients of the so-called "Cheddar," and if I'd read them in the store, I wouldn't have bothered to buy it -- they don't even actually pretend that it's real cheese, it says "processed cheddar," and it contains "cheddar, butter and palm oil."  Revolting.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 05:49:54 PM EST
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mmm yummy. Reminds me of this rubbery stuff they sell in Bulgaria called "Yellow cheese". I can't read the label but I imagine it says things like "with extra added cheddar-type flavour"

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 05:57:56 PM EST
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Well My fridge has a quantity of Sage Derby along with Cheddar, cheshire and Wenslydale at the moment in the Hard cheese department.

Not trying to make you salivate or anything.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 06:16:33 PM EST
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Well, a fat lot of good that's all going to do you with a stomach virus.  (So there.)

Fear not, the cheese-fridge is not bare, if only because I seem to be a natural-born smuggler.  I have got a mystery Italian hard cheese that I brought in from Beirut last month, although I can't for the life of me remember what it's called.  It's tasty.  And there's still a crock of Stilton I brought in from London and have been saving for a special occasion.  Hmmmm, I wonder if "Tuesday" counts as special enough... no, better save it till "Thursday"....

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 06:43:05 PM EST
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And having just looked in the fridge I have  White cheddar flavoured with Cherries and Amaretto, and that's going to have to wait till I feel better and my sense of taste recovers.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 07:00:40 PM EST
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<groan>

You're killing me here.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 07:01:57 PM EST
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and then there's the soft cheeses...

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 07:31:30 PM EST
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I can't for the life of me remember what it's called.

Perhaps peccorino?

You're clearly a dangerous pinko commie pragmatist.

by Vagulus on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 10:20:56 PM EST
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Egyptian Velveeta must be something else.

How are you, stormy? You sound - don't get me wrong - but still a bit under the weather?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 04:10:58 PM EST
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I think my soup cravings are due to my health.  I had soup for lunch, too.

I'm mostly better, though.  Still a nasty cough.  Everyone, but everyone is coughing here.  It's like a big TB festival.  Bleh.

It's also really cold.  It's 8°C (48°F) here right now.  I know that doesn't sound like cold to most of you, but there's no heat in the buildings!  I'm wearing a turtleneck and a sweater, and wrapped in a blanket, and I'm still cold.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 04:19:36 PM EST
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That must be gruesome. Hot soup sounds necessary. If it was for me, I'd throw in garlic, ginger, and chillies.

But there's always a nice cup of tea...

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 04:40:08 PM EST
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Yes, hot and sour soup, chinese or thai style.

Nest time you're in london you must stock up on some jars of hot and sour soup mix. It's perfect for moments like this.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 05:37:05 PM EST
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Looked for ginger and couldn't find it, sadly.  Your other two prescribed ingredients were in there....

And then I had some lemon-ginger tea. :-)  As a matter of fact, I think I'm going to go make myself another cup.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 05:43:19 PM EST
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You're reaching for the right food, though! Hope you feel better, soon.

[NB: the term 'legume', as used below, denotes varieties of dried beans and lentils]

Vitamins and minerals:

Legumes contain three times as much iron as meat. To aid in the assimilation of this mineral, it is recommendable to complement the ingestion of legumes with citrus fruit juice or with some other food rich in vitamin C.

A kilo of legumes contains twice as much phosphorous as a kilo of eggs and more than triple that contained in a kilo of meat.

Legumes contain twice as much magnesium as rice, 4 to 5 times as much potassium as meat, and a significant amount of calcium and iodine.

They also contain all of the water-soluble vitamins, also known as the B group, which play a key role in cellular metabolism.

Source: Legumeworld

by Loefing on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 05:07:14 PM EST
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Don't forget chicken soup.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 05:10:25 PM EST
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That, too. But lentil soup does pack a lot of nutritional punch.
by Loefing on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 05:15:12 PM EST
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by Loefing on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 05:21:48 PM EST
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Thanks!  Hmmm... I didn't know that about the citrus juice, but coincidentally I did use lemon juice in the soup (and non-soup).  Lemon just goes in lentil soup in this part of the world; it's usually served with extra lemons to squeeze into your bowl.

The upside of having gotten the measurements wrong is that I ended up making a ton of the stuff, so there's a generous helping or three left for lunch tomorrow.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 05:41:39 PM EST
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QUESTION:  Who do I contact at ET if I have questions regarding creating/posting a diary, even after reading your New Diary info pages?  Do I contact via email or just chat in an open thread?

Thank You.

Welcome to ET, Paul Krugman

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 04:04:19 PM EST
Unless it's really kind of top secret, you can talk about it here.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 04:12:40 PM EST
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 Food for thought

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 05:16:18 PM EST
Given that ET seems to have been a nerve centre for the statistical assault on the New Hampshire result, I'm surprised at the deafening silence from orange on this.

The nearest I've seen is a dismissive throwaway that it's just a dumb Kucinich move cos Kucinich is bonkers. Has anyone seen anything I've missed ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 05:35:13 PM EST
You give us too much credit. But Kos is up to his usual "question the validity of elections and I'll ban you for conspiracy theorist" antics, apparently.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 05:43:14 PM EST
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Isn't there a wise old saying "fool me once, shame on you, fool me....you can't get fooled again" or something ?

I can understand his reservations in getting invovled in tin-foil hat nonsense when there are more practical things. But...He knows Ohio was a fix. He knows florida was fix. He now knows that the machines are utterly "fixed". Yet he'd rather roll his eyes at those who peer under the rocks to avoid encouraging others.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 05:55:08 PM EST
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Read more on Inhabitat

It works on salt! Plenty of salt in the desert. Another upside: it works day and night.

Any salt on Mars?

Let's plaster these things across Southern Europe, in Algeria, Morocco, etc.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 06:19:17 PM EST
by Lasthorseman (Lasthorseman@comcast.net) on Mon Jan 14th, 2008 at 10:42:04 PM EST
but the format of Link TV is frustrating... Not able to forward, and unable to put it in a different player. My internet connection reset after the 56th minute, and I refuse to rewatch the entire hour again!

But interesting insights.

by Nomad on Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 08:46:55 AM EST
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