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Updated #2: Kucinich Pays for Recount, Michigan Primary Thread

by Drew J Jones Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 05:59:08 PM EST

Update #2: Romney Wins Michigan Update #2 As of 3.03PM this afternoon, Kucinich has paid the necessary fee to begin the recount tomorrow morning at 9.30AM at the state Archives and Records Management Building at 71 S Fruit Street, Concord, NH. (So, know that we have had a lot of people flooding the website on the possible New Hampshire fraud, if anybody near Concord is reading, you can help by monitoring!) So, if fraud occurred, let's hope the ballots were secure and tracks were not covered. Now what part of "Don't vote for Ron Paul" do the filthy proles not understand?

This comes from a guy who was first to vote in his precinct today:

Voter #1 Genoa Township, Michigan Precinct 3. Voting problems?

Posted January 15th, 2008

First observation...
-Diebold

I was the first voter, I circled in Ron Paul and put my ballot into the machine. Spit it right back out and said INVALID BALLOT.

Second guy gives it a shot. INVALID BALLOT.

I begin argueing with the lady running the precinct about computer voting and people voting. This lady actually says in a room full of people that Computers are better at counting ballots than people, cause people make mistakes. who makes computers?

So to finish it up, she calls the township. she says I can keep my ballot in a secret compartment and they will put it through later once its fixed.

So they call her back. She gets off the phone. She says the manufacturer says there is a problem with a memory card. Someone from the manufacturer will be there with a new memory card soon.

Holy hell, it doesn't help that I just watched a damn documentary about DIEBOLD and MEMORY CARDS.

I immediately left and drive to the township office to voice my complaints.

This is fucking bullshit, and it needs to stop right now.  More reason to not trust a God-damned thing these machines tell us.


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I am curious that the rigging seems to be increasingly blatant; it's as if Diebold realised that the game was up and this is one of their last chances to really get the GOPs desired result.

Now whilst I can understand them giving a result to Hilary to see if it helps the candidate they can beat/destroy, I simply see no reason for them to rig the result against Ron Paul when he ain't gonna win anyway. Win ? He isn't going to have any delegates at this rate. So why bother ?

Or perhaps, it's not that these machines are fixed, they're just crap to start with. It takes a special kind of genius to make a counting machine that can't count.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 06:38:14 PM EST
Or perhaps, it's not that these machines are fixed, they're just crap to start with. It takes a special kind of genius to make a counting machine that can't count.

If it's a choice between conspiracy and cock-up, cock up tends to win hands down....

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 06:51:52 PM EST
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I'm just about convinced it's both.  It's cock-up in the Michigan thing, in all likelihood, although there was reportedly funny business going on with Republican votes (including Paul ones) in New Hampshire.  Siphoning perhaps.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 06:55:32 PM EST
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Rigging it to Hillary makes perfect sense to me, even if the Clintons and their allies are not involved.  She's the weakest and most polarizing of the top three Dems.  I know Kossacks like to say that Reps will smear anyone, and that's true, but the smears will be more effective on the candidate with 50% disapprovals -- and she has the audacity to say that she wins on electability -- than it will on the two candidates with 15% disapprovals.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 06:58:00 PM EST
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Obama does not really look that much liberal, Clinton would not really be that compassionate... and the top Dem candidates could feasibly made unelectable easily. How this could happen? Isn't there possibly no better men (and women) in the whole America? You almost wish Al Gore would really consider jumping in, or hell, why not Jimmy Carter ;-]

GOP could also be in despair of its candidate crop... Seriously, could this widely repulsive field of idols brought together by chance? Isn't it so convenient to any someone to have political wannabes and voters so comfortably on the fingers? And above that, paying insane money for awful 30 s adds? Rupert Murdoch is one genius, evidently.

by das monde on Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 08:26:31 PM EST
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it's as if Diebold realised that the game was up and this is one of their last chances to really get the GOPs desired result.

If they can do it, and see certain gain in it, wouldn't they do it? Is there anything stopping them?

by das monde on Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 08:06:22 PM EST
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They'll do it until they're caught.  Fortunately, as I'm writing in a diary, they may have finally been caught in New Hampshire.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 08:14:59 PM EST
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For them to be caught, the press is going to have to agree that they've been caught.

The people who own Diebold also own the press.

Which part of 'dictatorship' isn't clear yet?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 08:45:35 PM EST
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If the N.H. Secretary of State invalidated the election, I think the press would take notice.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 at 09:20:20 AM EST
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I know.  I'm just pissed off and sick of watching crucial elections being stolen.  Having watched it in person in Palm Beach County, and knowing (regardless of whether it would've changed the outcome) that fraud took place in Ohio in 2004, and now this....

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 at 11:08:36 AM EST
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Reading through the leaked Diebold internal emails several years ago, it was a case of shotgunning buggy, incomplete, non-robust product through development at the request of management/marketing. At the other end, no-bid style corruption along with election commissions that simply didn't know what they were doing (no understanding of the benefits and limitations of modern technology) got their machines in the door. The machines are embarrassingly insecure, meaning the barrier to tampering is low and does not require a well funded network of people to pull off.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 at 02:13:11 PM EST
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Daily Kos: New Hampshire Recount: Already worth it! w/poll
The New Hampshire Primary recount started yesterday.  Paid for by the Dennis Kucinich campaign, the recount may or may not show a change of the winner of the event.  Even so, after one day, we've found enough out to be able to say that the recount is worth every penny!
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 17th, 2008 at 10:00:55 AM EST
Sorry, wanted to post this in the New Hampshire diary. :-(
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 17th, 2008 at 10:03:05 AM EST
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You can still do.

By the way, the comments have turned into another "your candidate sucks" pie fight.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 17th, 2008 at 10:46:11 AM EST
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But then, just about every thread over there these days turns into a your-candidate-sucks pie fight.  

The Fates are kind.
by Gaianne on Fri Jan 18th, 2008 at 05:30:08 AM EST
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So what was the result of the recount ???
by vladimir on Thu Jan 24th, 2008 at 07:00:20 AM EST
Welcome to the Secretary of State - NH
THE KUCINICH  RECOUNT STOPPED THIS MORNING (JAN. 23, 2008) BECAUSE FUNDS RAN OUT.


We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 24th, 2008 at 07:01:15 AM EST
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