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Slovenian EU Presidency

by DoDo
Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 11:34:01 AM EST

In the first six months of 2008, Slovenia holds the EU Presidency. That is, the government of Slovenia will chair EU Council meetings, and set the agenda with proposals (or more correctly: try to hammer out compromise proposals other governments might find a good basis for debate.) Slovenia is the first non-EU-15 state to hold that post.

What's up on the plate? Some thorny issues: status of Kosovo, Reform Treaty ratifications, upcoming reviews of hotly contested policies. Meanwhile, some people are already hyperventilating about cooperation with France, holder of the Presidency in the second half of the year.


For an ex-Yugoslav country that can be accused of bias, dealing with the Kosovo issue will be extremely delicate. But the founding ideal of the EU is alive and well:

[Slovenian foreign minister] Mr [Dimitrij] Rupel said: “We in Slovenia believe that it is high time for the Yugoslav crisis to end — a crisis that began in 1991 when [former Yugoslav leader Slobodan] Milosevic attacked Slovenia. We see the solution in EU enlargement.” He added: “We are hopeful that during the Slovenian presidency EU agreements will be signed with the entire western Balkan region.”

[Slovenia to force Kosovo back to top of EU agenda - Times Online]

For those unfamiliar with the country: Slovenia is a country of 2 million on the Northwestern end of what was Yugoslavia. Earlier, for long centuries, most of it was part of Austria.

Slovenia is mostly in the Alps, and more resembles Austria than its Southeastern neighour Croatia. The country was former Yugoslavia's richest federal state, and was also clearly in the best state economically among the EU's former East Bloc members. The country adopted the Euro a year ago.

Slovenia's relatively stable politics were long dominated by a liberal party (one with strong social liberal characteristics, but also ex-reformed-communist members), while the right-wing was also relatively civilised, and there are Social Democrats too. Current prime minister Janez Janša heads a centre-right government that has to face elections in October this year, and it's chances don't look too good, as indicated by the election of opposition candidate Danilo Türk for President last November.

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I don't know if this has been discussed already on ET, but a rather important recent EU news was that the European Court decided in favour of latvian construction company Laval in its suit against Swedish construction union Byggnads, which wanted to force it to pay higher wages for its employees. Even without the Bolkestein Directive. Laval had full support from Internal Markets Commissioner Charlie McCreevey of Ireland.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 11:41:59 AM EST
If Sweden had had a minimum wage, would it have made a difference?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 11:59:29 AM EST
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yes

The ECJ noted in particular that since Sweden has no mininum pay levels, the union had no right to set a wage level that the Latvian company would have to respect.

It poses a big problem for the countries where the minimum wage is negotiated at sectoral level.

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char

by Melanchthon on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 12:43:32 PM EST
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I hope the German government is paying attention.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 02:04:03 PM EST
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Not that the CDU cares for German unions...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 02:18:45 PM EST
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It's not the unions, it's the likely backlash from the voters.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 06:00:30 PM EST
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With the voters, there is always xenophobia and law-and-orderism. (I should write a diary about the current topic de jour in Germany...)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 06:06:01 PM EST
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Yes. I started typing away at that but ended up lost in the criminology section of wikipedia... the only thing I really have so far is a good title.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 06:24:30 PM EST
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Can any Swede (or Swedish-speaking person) give a precise indication of the legal status of this particular sectoral contract?
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 02:25:15 PM EST
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I wonder if I'll ever see another photo of Slovenia... It seems this  church on the lake under the mountains is the main place being promoted abroad...

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 12:38:57 PM EST
Pssst, don't tell anyone, but Slovenia is not a real place... They just have some sets to shoot things on, and cgi scenery such as this one. The other ones look even less real than this one though, so they don't give them much play. A pretty clever scam to siphon off EU funds.
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 12:52:45 PM EST
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(1) I was lazy and relied on Wikipedia's guaranteed-for-free photos,
(2) Lake Bled & environs is the most beautiful spot in Slovenia (I was there).

But I dug up some more photos for 'ya:

Capital Ljubljana is a very nice Baroque city with castle above a river, the standard photo position for the square beyond the Three Bridges:

At 2864 metres, the Triglav is Slovenia's highest:

The world's largest ski jumping hill is in a side valley towards the Slovenian-Austrian-Italian triple border (Bjørn Einar Romøren's world record is 239 m):

Just behind the Italian border is the Isonzo Valley, place of the cruellest series of standing warfare in mountains during WWI:


Piran is at the tip of Slovenia's narrow outlet to the Adriatic (which  was originally Italian territory, and whose Southern marine border has been subject to disputes with Croatia due to fishing grounds):

The large Postojna Cave Complex is also accessible to tourists by mini-train:

Nearby Predjamsky hrad (castle) is on the edge of a stone wall:

Celje was the capital of a duchy counted as Slovenia's most important medieval progenidor, in the 19th century and until the end of WWII it was a German nationalist center, today it is only the third largest city of Slovenia:

(I was in or near all of these places, but don't know Maribor, the second largest city.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 01:38:48 PM EST
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Thanks for this DoDo. It has reminded me that Slovenia is the country my sister went biking through.  Her photos showed what a stunning country it is.  

I know far too little about the history and crisis surrounding Yugoslavia and everything that has settled (or not) out of that.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 12:51:47 PM EST
I'm actually wondering if it'd be a nice place to hike in... It's rather hard to know whether other countries have well maintained trails, lodges or camping grounds...

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 01:07:36 PM EST
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Hiking & Trekking in Slovenia.

"You can't be a successful crook with a dishonest face, now, can you?" -The Fourth Doctor
by lychee (lychee9393 A yahoo D com) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 02:23:41 PM EST
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Slovenia is a fantastic place for hiking. Tons of trails,  well-maintained and well-marked, at least in the alpine areas, where there is also a dense network of alpine huts so you can easily hike from hut to hut (though it can be crowded on summer weekends). There are trails in other parts of the country as well, but they're not usually marked. I've lived here for 20 years, it's a walker's paradise. My dogs enjoy the trails, too.
by Jean (mccollisteratsioldotnet) on Thu Jan 10th, 2008 at 07:36:21 AM EST
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Thank you, Jean!  Welcome, or welcome back to ET!  Your perspective on Slovenia will be much appreciated.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Thu Jan 10th, 2008 at 10:58:46 AM EST
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Thanks ! I always wondered about hiking there, I'll look into it. Any multi-day hike you'd particularly recommend ?

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jan 10th, 2008 at 11:01:09 AM EST
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Depends what kind of landscape you want to go through--how fit you are--how much elevation change you want--time of year--whether you want to stay up high and go hut to hut, or drop down into valleys and villages as well, and stay at inns/farm tourism places--feel free to email me direct for more information.
by Jean (mccollisteratsioldotnet) on Thu Jan 10th, 2008 at 04:30:46 PM EST
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I'll do so when closer to planning time...

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sat Jan 12th, 2008 at 07:06:07 AM EST
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Slovenia is the country least affected by the Yugoslavian troubles. It was first to secede, and after a 5-day showing the Yugoslav Army withdrew. There was no ethnic cleasing (nor large ethnic blocks to cleanse), and few reasons for strategic disputes. (Though beyond the small disputes relating to the Adriatic outlet, there were disputes with Croatia regarding a nuclear plant at the border.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 01:45:03 PM EST
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They've still had their ethnic issues, though, with Roma (granted this goes on in many EU countries, not just Slovenia) and the "erased" Yugoslav citizens.

(Despite that, though, I have been really obsessed with Ljubljana for the past, oh, six months. Not Zagreb, or Dubrovnik, or Belgrade, or any other city where I might actually know some of the language or have friends. Don't know why. Thanks for the diary.)

"You can't be a successful crook with a dishonest face, now, can you?" -The Fourth Doctor

by lychee (lychee9393 A yahoo D com) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 02:17:02 PM EST
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ethnic issues, though, with Roma (granted this goes on in many EU countries, not just Slovenia)

Yes, the Strojan family's expulsion shows that Slovenia isn't without that racist ugliness either. I note though top-level action unlike in most of these other countries:

Saturday's events in Ambrus conserning Strojan Roma family « Borut Peterlin in a rabbit hole of photography

On_Saturday president Drnovšek tried to bring two trailers to Strojan family, but  Local people from Ambrus and Dečja vas made a barricade and even president Drnovšek was helpless. On the end Drnovšek left with words that their Christianity is only in their words and not at all in their actions. The record of this really shamefull event you can find it on RTV SLO 23.12.2006 on the news Dnevnik. Click on RTV SLO, then avdio/video, then arhiv, then Dnevnik and then find Dnevnik 23.12.2006.

[Read more on the Strojans' case here]

the "erased" Yugoslav citizens

Yes, should've mentioned that, though it compares more to the Czech stateless Roma situation than what Croatia et al did -- especially as the Slovenian version also hit primarily Roma people. But if the government changes this year, expect this to be solved: Borut Pahor vowed so, and I don't think the liberals would be opposed.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 02:40:14 PM EST
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Kudos to Drnovsek for that Christianity remark, and before I go on, please let me make it clear that I know not all Slovenians wanted to remove the Strojans or deny residency to ex-Yu people.

it compares more to the Czech stateless Roma situation than what Croatia et al did

Oh, I didn't mean to say it was worse than the ethnic cleansing in other areas (didn't intend that, really). But it struck me as hypocritical as they moved toward the EU and emphasized how they avoided the bloodshed that occurred elsewhere. Yes, they avoided it, but they still ended up essentially trying to force non-Slovenians out. Like those who've been bullied will tell you, being totally ostracized is only slightly better than being punched in the gut.

But if the government changes this year, expect this to be solved: Borut Pahor vowed so, and I don't think the liberals would be opposed.

I hope it gets solved!!!!! I know that in the past there had been government intervention, but then citizens voted to deny residency rights (argh!). It's been a sore spot with me, because I too was proud of Slovenia for not descending into chaos, but then this happens.

Odd thought forming: As more of the ex-Yu republics join the EU, more will become eligible to eventually join the Schengen zone, meaning people would be able to travel between the republics like they did when they were all part of the same country. So after all the fighting, you could conceivably see them "rejoined" in a way....

"You can't be a successful crook with a dishonest face, now, can you?" -The Fourth Doctor

by lychee (lychee9393 A yahoo D com) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 04:03:18 PM EST
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See quote from the foreign minister in the diary text!

they still ended up essentially trying to force non-Slovenians out

Well, some non-Slovenians. Not that plain racism would be better (it's worse), but the situation of ethnic minorities other than Roma and Serb is much better than elsewhere. Say, language use in official situations, inluding village name tables in different languages has been an issue all across the region, even in Austria, but not in Slovenia.

On the referendum: I did remember the issue vaguely, but I was a bit incredulous and had to check. I find (1) the 3 April 2004 referendum was non-binding, (2) participation was a mere 31%, (3) that after opponents called for a boycott. (Still, sadly I suspect they could well have had a - narrow - majority had there been no boycott, I found reports of late 2003 - early 2004 polls on the issue.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 04:36:50 PM EST
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I've never really understood boycotting elections and referendums, because if one entire side boycotts, the other side wins. Then whatever horrible law or corrupt official the boycott was in response to passes/gets in office. I can understand calling an election a farce, etc., but boycotts just seem pointless to me....

"You can't be a successful crook with a dishonest face, now, can you?" -The Fourth Doctor
by lychee (lychee9393 A yahoo D com) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 05:53:40 PM EST
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I don't know Slovenian law, but referendums often have a validity threshold on participation. This can be 50%, 25%, 25% of total population for the winner, or something similar. (Notable exceptions are Ireland and Switzerland.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 05:58:26 PM EST
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Forgot: the EU referendum and the last elections saw turnouts just above 60%, compare 95% of 31% to that.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 06:04:05 PM EST
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Thanks DoDo! I hope by the end of its presidency we will know a bit more about this country, besides it looking like the background for an operetta. :-)

And thanks for posting something more Europe focused.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 01:46:42 PM EST


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