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by Jerome a Paris
Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 09:27:46 AM EST

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Le Canard Enchainé today kindly reminds us of various speeches and decisions of Sarkozy over the past year or two:

  • his encouragement to the French to take on more debt (a "sign of dynamism");
  • in particular, his suggestions to take on more mortgage-backed debt;
  • his consistent moves to decriminalize white-collar fraud;
  • the de-funding of the financial crimes squad.

"Imunity would be immoral" said Sarkozy. Le Canard agrees...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 09:57:55 AM EST
Oooo, Sarkie joins McBatshit for PANCAKES.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 09:59:28 AM EST
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Excellent. Populism bites back.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 10:21:02 AM EST
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Energy prices 'stronger for longer', says BP

Surging demand in developing countries and global fossil fuel supply constraints are creating volatility in energy markets and will keep prices up over the long term, BP's Chief Economist Christof Rühl told EurActiv in an interview.

(...)

Non-OECD (Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development) countries like China and India accounted for nearly 50% of growth and for nearly 90% of energy demand growth in 2007. China alone was responsible for 40% of that demand, much of it met by coal, Rühl said.

Soaring demand has put oil markets in a tight spot, with spare capacity in 2007 down to only two million barrels per day. The global oil market was estimated at around 86 million barrels per day in 2007, according to US Department of Energy figures.

Small disruptions in supply can therefore cause "violent reactions" in terms of price movements, he said.

(...)

BP's chief economist vehemently countered the idea that the world was facing a physical shortage of oil as proposed by 'peak oil' theorists. "I have no reason to accept [peak oil] as a valid statement either on theoretical, scientific or ideological grounds," he said.

"There is no resource constraint at the moment for oil. There is enough oil if you're willing to accept the costs - including the environmental costs for sources like tar sands," he added.

The article links to the full interview, and to BP Full Year Review.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 10:02:24 AM EST
That would be funny if it wasn't so awful. I think they're trying to put a smiley face on reality cos I can't see the Canadian govt putting up with having the water resources of half of the west utterly contaminated if there isn't a step change in the extraction technique.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 10:23:55 AM EST
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The guy's a pillock, and implicitly misrepresents the Peak Oil argument relating to the rate at which the stuff can be produced, rather than the amount in the ground.

But then he couldn't say otherwise and keep his job, could he?

I think that with the coming recession/Depression we're going to see a temporary demand drop and the oil price (at least in Euro's) will swing back to the marginal cost of production again, whatever that is.

This will temporarily pull the teeth of the more aggressive producers, and may just open the way for a global energy settlement through a more rational market mechanism. Dream on....?

I'll be in Teheran next week for 10 days making a presentation re "PetroTrusts" (ie "Unitising" oil), to a big conference. I can now say things I never could have done even two weeks ago, and be taken seriously.

I'm also meeting parliamentarians, sundry Big Cheeses. even discussing ethics and morality of the whole market shebang with clerics in the Holy City of Qom... "Big in Iran".....eh?

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 11:03:33 AM EST
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what's their wind resource like ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 11:15:17 AM EST
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Clerics? plenty of hot air naturally.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 12:08:02 PM EST
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Lots on the coasts of course, but it's sunshine its got most of.....
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 12:08:43 PM EST
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Today is my wife's birthday, and right now we have a houseful of inlaws who have come to assaulted by copious quantities of coffee and cake.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 10:09:29 AM EST
Happy Birthday to her.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 10:11:34 AM EST
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Happy birthday Mrs dvx

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 10:20:30 AM EST
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Happy Birthday!


Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bork! Bork! Bork!
by ATinNM on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 12:24:44 PM EST
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Mrs dvx says thanks for the good wishes.

Coffee and cake (3 kinds) have been successfully consumed, washed down with a shot of aquavit in deference to my 88-year-old mother-in-law (there's a reason she's 88).

A good (and replete!) time has been had by all!

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 02:12:34 PM EST
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Happy B'day Mrs. d-v-x and I hope you are 'fully' sleep.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 05:10:40 PM EST
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What counts is that they moderate impartially during the debate.  After all, Jim Lehrer, Tom Brokaw, and Bob Schieffer could very well be quite partial to one candidate over the other.

So even if Gwen Ifill

is publishing a book titled The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama (due out in January), that's not a problem, right?

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 11:01:34 AM EST
Given Brokaw's behavior lately, this is nothing.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 11:14:32 AM EST
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Drew J Jones: Given Brokaw's behavior lately, this is nothing.

Not to the nutters it ain't nuttin'.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 11:19:22 AM EST
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Well, that's tough shit for the nutters.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 11:36:46 AM EST
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Having fallen down the stairs and sprained her ankle yesterday, there's a good chance she'll be out of her mind on Oxycodone. Should be an interesting evening.
by melvin on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 11:41:13 AM EST
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Who says that being on Oxycodone puts you out of your mind?????  :-)

asdf <-- currently on cocktail of Oxycodone, Oxycontin, Celebrex, etc. after abdominal surgery (appendicitis with complications)...    :-(

by asdf on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 12:01:36 PM EST
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Really? Ouch... Get well soon!

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 03:59:44 PM EST
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Damn!  Very sorry to hear that asdf.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bork! Bork! Bork!
by ATinNM on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 04:31:09 PM EST
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Hey, when did that happen ? you looked okay in Paris.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 04:31:17 PM EST
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asdf in Paris?

<cue in April in Paris...>

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 at 01:56:01 AM EST
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My own experiences of abdominal surgery with the complication of incipient peritonitis confirms that these drugs might affect what ever energy you have, but will at least reduce the amount of that energy that must be directed to  pain reduction. ("All power to the shields, Scotty!"  I wish you a speedy recovery free of complications.  Just make sure to ask any medical person to wash their hands before touching you!  

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 05:23:37 PM EST
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Then...

...and now.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 12:04:21 PM EST
it's like one of those shooting galleries there isn't it

*looks for sound effects

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 12:10:43 PM EST
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In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 12:06:12 PM EST
LOL

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 12:09:05 PM EST
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But who's that in the center, the Illuminati?
by Zwackus on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 05:45:02 PM EST
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I think it's a plughole everything will vanish down.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 06:22:17 PM EST
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Ferrari sees flat 2008 sales, probably better

PARIS (Reuters) - Ferrari said on Wednesday it should be able to sell the same number of cars -- if not more -- in 2008 as it did last year, but it stopped short of making a forecast for 2009 due to the global financial crisis.

(last year was a record year)


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 12:09:49 PM EST
Speaking of Ferrari: I wonder to what extent that failed box stop in Singapore will cut their sales...

(Crazy Horse, are you around? Have you watched RTL when one of the commentators said "Er fährt wie mit einem Messer zwischen den Zähnen"?)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 01:04:38 PM EST
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That was spectacularly bad, does the extra tv exposure in all of the news broadcasts they will have got from that outweigh the loss of the possible championship win?

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 01:18:08 PM EST
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But, whast I meant was: is this the TV exposure they want? "Buy Ferrari -- our technicians are so slack they'll forget about stuff around while working on your car!"

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 02:23:07 PM EST
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Barely around, as Deutsche WindGuard has had to turn key clients down in the past weeks from overwork (or under resource.)  I'm finally traveling again, thanks to Husum and ET for getting me going.

Today was the dedication of the most sophisticated wind tunnel for the wind industry, where we can research (and answer?) many of the key questions facing windpower today.  Nice to have the ~Hanseatic state of Bremen and Bermerhaven represented by the key Senators giving speeches about our now and future competence.  Even i was impressed.

Tomorrow i show my face at the main office, for the first time since last winter.  Today, a Managing Director told me he remembers me saying, at the beginning of August last year, that the financial signals were blinking red (not Ferrari red obviously.)  There is nothing better in my professional life than to be back in the knowledge center of the wind industry, which WindGuard is.

i'm at a small hotel in Varel, where tonight the internet is actually easy except if you want to download a 240MB software update.  i've missed ET this week.

i remember not knowing if i put the gas cap back on my auto in the past, but i never left the gas hose in the car.  (Man i love windpower)

You all should have seen the tunnel demonstration today, and during the party the chief aerodynamicist at Porsche comes up and asks how they can help windpower with their experience.

Sorry for not being here lately.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 04:31:39 PM EST
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I wish I could have been there. I used to love the windtunnel in college.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 04:41:20 PM EST
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It's the most noise-attenuated tunnel in the industry, where we can examine blade tip vortexes, as well as the mundane complex terrain modeling or blade profiles.  Even the ever more careful bankers there were impressed (as well they should be.)

but i must to bed go, because tomorrow i will likely disrupt the office with my appearance, which i will try to modulate as best i can.  (Though many were already at the opening today, so it won't be a surprise tomorrow, thankfully.)

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 04:56:50 PM EST
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I would suspect that most potential Ferrari customers would not know what you are talking about. Besides, their refueling error seems to be only a small point in a general argument about the way the whole race was set up, so a race-aware Ferrari customer might actually be encouraged to buy just to "get back" at Singapore (somehow?)...
by asdf on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 01:21:10 PM EST
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Forgot to add DoDo, i did hear it, but wasn't sure if i believed i'd heard it.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 at 02:21:50 AM EST
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I was LOL at the mental image for a full minute...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 at 02:45:44 AM EST
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And i used the phrase this morning to describe how my chief was driving me to work, and he broke up LOL.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 at 08:01:30 AM EST
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And these guys:

2nd UPDATE: Porsche Tumbles As Credit Crunch Bites

FRANKFURT -(Dow Jones)- German sportscar maker Porsche Automobil Holding SE ( PAH3.XE) saw its shares tumbled over 10% Wednesday after it became the latest premium car maker to be hit by the credit crunch and slowing economies.

Porsche wouldn't give an outlook for the fiscal year ending July 31, 2009, saying that "it is difficult in the present economic situation to make reliable predictions about trends in the current fiscal year as a whole."

So much snark potential I don't know where to begin.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 02:25:46 PM EST
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that Porsche, lately, is mostly a hedge fund with a manufacturing activity on the side. So the going must be harder right now...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 03:06:01 PM EST
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Interesting. Could you elaborate on that?

I note another thing not to forget: ongoing plans to have Prosche take over the majority of VW.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 03:49:21 PM EST
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Yes if you will, especially as the chief aerodynamicist at ~porsche came up to me tonight to ask how they could help windpower.  Should we engineer their buyout of someone in the supply chain?

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 04:41:18 PM EST
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EzraKlein Archive | The American Prospect

GETTING OUT IN FRONT.

People keep talking about the need for a new financial regulatory structure, but Brookings actually steps into the breach today and tries to outline what it should look like. Smart move. One of the lessons progressives should take from the turmoil of the past few weeks is the need to be in front of events so your legislation can define the conversation around solutions, rather than being reactive to whatever is proposed. After Paulson came out with a plan to buy assets, for instance, that's really all you heard about, and some equity measures were tacked on to appease the left. Assets defined the debate. If progressives had been aggressive with a plan based around purchasing equity, and proposed it right after the AIG bailout, you might have seen Paulson reacting to the proposal, or offering something more balanced. Similarly, you can pretty well predict that there's going to be some serious efforts to construct a new regulatory structure for Wall Street. If progressives did some thinking now about what they want that to look like, they'll have a better chance of setting the terms of the debate when the time comes.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 12:29:33 PM EST


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 01:28:44 PM EST
Happy New Year, Federal Debt! - News Blog - Daily Brief - Portfolio.com
the national debt clock near Times Square that's about to run out of digits. The current debt stands at nearly $9.8 trillion, and the clock isn't equipped to go to ten.


Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 02:16:12 PM EST
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According to Calculated Risk, the debt crossed 10t on the 30th.
by Trond Ove on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 05:25:07 PM EST
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Perhaps McCain should suspend his campaign until they get that fixed.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 05:58:59 PM EST
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Senator Bennett (sp?) Repub from wherever, just explained (threatened?) on MSNBC that the US IS CURRENTLY in a recession but it will be LONGER and WORSE without the bailout.  So, if we are simply watching the workings of Wall Street/casinos, does this mean that we finally admit  that we are nothing but serfs to a bunch of psychopaths, and there's nothing we can do about it?  THAT'S IT?!

Com'on, you ET financial folks!  Tell me how I don't understand. PLEASE!

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 01:30:17 PM EST
Ah, California!

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 02:03:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Financial Hubs See an Opening Up at the Top
Wall Street's Long, Dominant Run Is Fading, Global Financiers Say
By Ariana Eunjung Cha, Washington Post

Looking down from his building's 87th floor at the glittering signs of multinational banks along the river here, Fan Dizhao declared confidently that Wall Street's reign as the world's No. 1 financial hub is coming to an end.

The United States may be grappling with its worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, but these are go-go days in China.

Venture capital, private equity and foreign direct investment are at all-time highs. Although Shanghai's stock exchange has lost close to two-thirds of its value this year, China's big banks have escaped the credit catastrophe largely unscathed, and the economy continues to expand briskly...

With U.S. investment houses tumbling into bankruptcy, consolidating operations or transforming themselves into more closely regulated commercial banks, Wall Street's reputation as the prime address to raise capital, seek investment advice or trade securities is no longer rock-solid.

The flow of capital had already begun moving away from the United States this summer. A survey released last week about the competitiveness of world financial centers found that New York and London, often neck-and-neck in such rankings, were still at the top.

But the survey also found that the two cities' lead over their rivals shrank after February because of the credit crisis and the collapse of U.S. securities firms. Frankfurt, Germany, and Paris also lost ground. Cities in Asia and the Middle East, meanwhile, were deemed most likely to gain in importance.

by Magnifico on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 01:41:56 PM EST
I've been saying this for years. There's no reason to believe that the "finance system hub" will long term remain in countries for historical reasons. All the theories of industrial clustering suggest that eventually the big finance moves to be in the same regulatory zone as the big investment opportunities.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 01:44:07 PM EST
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Despite all the mess we're in, and all the various insidery things that do happen, the US and European centers dominate because they are places where, for the most part, the rule of law applies, there are no risks of arbitrary or confiscatory government actions and trading is, mostly, not rigged (I'm sure Chris will tell us his stories, but they don't invalidate the general picture).

Will investors really trsut their money to Chinese or Russian regulators? I don't believe it for a second.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 01:54:12 PM EST
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Beyond this crisis it's not going to happen in the short term, these are medium term developments. And they could in fact be reversed if ET gets its act together and brings some sanity back to the political economy of The West (TM). However, in the absence of that...

Shanghai will get bigger than it is now for sure and as much as it is not a "zero sum game" it will draw some of that out of Europe and the US.

But the next big financial hub will be Mumbai. It will take a while, but it will happen.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 01:57:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And they could in fact be reversed if ET gets its act together and brings some sanity back to the political economy of The West (TM).

Right On, Metatone!  Light a fire under these folks!

How can I help?

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 02:15:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Got the matches?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 04:08:06 PM EST
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Yep,
Mumbai.

I think a democracy like India has much more chances than China to become an international hub. Reliability within an advanced institutional framework is probably among the most underestimated assets.
Lets assume the world in general will share more equal wealth in the middle far future. Then there is huge potential to growth not only in China and India, but e.g. in the mediteranian zone. Where would be the financial center to server Egypt, Marocco, or Algeria?
I would bet in Europe.

Lich King/Caribou Barbie 08
Pain brings Katharsis

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 02:16:15 PM EST
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There is one unknown that may skew which area or city becomes an international financial hub and that unknown is climate change. If an area truly becomes increasingly inhospitable, then I doubt it will become or remain a focal point.

From The Hindu earlier this month, Climate change will impact India more, says UNIDO:

The United Nations Industrial Development Organisation (UNIDO) said here on Thursday that climate change was likely to have a greater impact on India compared to other countries similarly positioned, on account of the unique combination of its geography, diverse population characteristics and extremely high carbon-related energy dependence.

According to a statement from the South Asia regional office of the UNIDO, the dependence on fossil fuels was exceptionally high, and this could lead to heavy environmental, social and regulatory costs causing a drain on the nation's resources as a direct impact of climate change over the next century...

According to calculations done by the CDP, the cost of climate change could have a major impact on the Indian economy by causing 9 to 13 per cent loss in the country's gross domestic product (GDP) in real terms by 2100.

Other impacts could be a higher increase in temperature as predicted by the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), rapidly changing and increasingly unpredictable patterns of monsoon and rainfall, and decline in crop yields up to 30 per cent by 2080.

The increased retreat of the Himalayan glaciers would reduce fresh water sources, cause incidence of more severe vector-borne diseases including dengue, bacterial and viral diseases, and increased frequency of extreme weather conditions.

And these may be conservative predictions for India, I don't believe anyone really knows what will happen because no one knows if the major greenhouse gas emitting nations of the world are going to take climate change seriously enough to do anything about it.

The same goes for the Mediterranean region with increased desertification and growing scarcity of water. If the impact of climate change is not taken into consideration, then the predictions, I think, are not using the best available information and therefore the conclusions suspect.

I believe most people, myself included, just do not know how small or large an impact climate change will have on our future. But, I think the climate change factor makes good predictions that much more difficult.

by Magnifico on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 02:29:55 PM EST
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If climate change becomes a major issue for India and the mediterranian region, I'm quite sure, that China will be affected as well strongly.

no one knows if the major greenhouse gas emitting nations of the world are going to take climate change seriously enough to do anything about it.
I'm increasingly more confident I know the answer. It isn't the one, you hope for.

Lich King/Caribou Barbie 08
Pain brings Katharsis

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 02:41:38 PM EST
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Yes, if the 'farce' that is taking place in Washington D.C. this past couple weeks is any indication of how my country's leadership deals with a problem that was seen long in the making and coming, then I think there is no hope serious American action will be taken to address greenhouse gases and climate change.

The real crisis is decades of inaction.

I am of a growing opinion that James Lovelock is correct when he predicted last year in Rolling Stone:

In Lovelock's view, the scale of the catastrophe that awaits us will soon become obvious. By 2020, droughts and other extreme weather will be commonplace. By 2040, the Sahara will be moving into Europe, and Berlin will be as hot as Baghdad. Atlanta will end up a kudzu jungle. Phoenix will become uninhabitable, as will parts of Beijing (desert), Miami (rising seas) and London (floods). Food shortages will drive millions of people north, raising political tensions. "The Chinese have nowhere to go but up into Siberia," Lovelock says. "How will the Russians feel about that? I fear that war between Russia and China is probably inevitable." With hardship and mass migrations will come epidemics, which are likely to kill millions. By 2100, Lovelock believes, the Earth's population will be culled from today's 6.6 billion to as few as 500 million, with most of the survivors living in the far latitudes -- Canada, Iceland, Scandinavia, the Arctic Basin.

By the end of the century, according to Lovelock, global warming will cause temperate zones like North America and Europe to heat up by fourteen degrees Fahrenheit, nearly double the likeliest predictions of the latest report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the United Nations-sanctioned body that includes the world's top scientists... To Lovelock, cutting greenhouse-gas pollution won't make much difference at this point, and much of what passes for sustainable development is little more than a scam to profit off disaster. "Green," he tells me, only half-joking, "is the color of mold and corruption."

by Magnifico on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 02:50:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Sounds about right, but the Sahara has already arrived in S Spain.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 03:03:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Can India really overcome its bureaucratic inertia and infrastructure problems ? A lot of articles I've seen suggest not.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 02:58:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm sure Chris will tell us his stories, but they don't invalidate the general picture

If the UK took the US approach to enforcement the result would be an improvement.

Overall the UK's not bad: one of the highlights is the Takeover Panel, I think, which is the last bastion of self regulation, strangely enough.

Insider dealing is still endemic.

My hobby horse, market manipulation, is a global market issue and there's not much domestic regulators like FSA and CFTC can do since the markets transcend geographic locations.

Similarly for market financial risk, the subject of my current Diary. Totally ignored as usual, but that's just Chris on about markets again...

Life? Don't talk to me about Life..... :-(

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 02:43:39 PM EST
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right now a lot of people who trusted their money to Wall St "regulators" are regretting the day. Still I take your general point.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 02:57:18 PM EST
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Looking down from his building's 87th floor at the glittering signs of multinational banks along the river here, Fan Dizhao declared confidently that Wall Street's reign as the world's No. 1 financial hub is coming to an end.

that is a suspiciously made-up sounding name. Why didn't she just use Fan Tass tik ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 02:53:32 PM EST
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And Magnifico isn't?
by Magnifico on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 02:58:37 PM EST
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Yes, but your name isn't being invoked as vox populi to justify a future view. It may express a gneneral sentiment, I just don't believe in that named individual.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 03:00:33 PM EST
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He's real enough to the media.

19 August 2008:

There's "no special reason" for what happened Monday, said Fan Dizhao of Guotai Asset Management Co. in Shanghai. "People just don't have a strong will to invest in the market."

26 June 2007:

"Zhou's remarks are damping sentiment on the market and as a result investors may be selling for fear of further policies," said Fan Dizhao, of Guotai Asset Management in Shanghai.

8 November 2006:

``Banking stocks are not cheap now after the rally,'' said Fan Dizhao, who helps manage the equivalent of $1.8 billion at Guotai Asset Management Co. in Shanghai. ``I won't choose lenders if I want to build up a strategic position in stocks now.''

He likely speaks English, willing to be quoted on record, and so is the go to guy for Western journalists who need a quote.

by Magnifico on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 03:18:27 PM EST
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ah okay. But ya gotta admit, it was worth a look. hope he gets paid, even if it's in alcohol.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 04:30:05 PM EST
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Grim days in SoCal create new kinds of employment: Foreclosure Alley

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by MarketTrustee (pbing@estudioinc.com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 01:44:05 PM EST
While it was good to see Val Zavala for the first time in a year, the scope of the disaster in the Inland Empire is stunning.  I have a nephew, his wife and child who live and own in Murietta.  Bought around 2004.  Both husband and wife are capable, intelligent hard working conscientious people.  They are possibly under water on their house now.

Particularly poignant was the young family who were the only family left in a cul de sac of newer forclosed homes. Three years ago his accountant told him he had to buy a house or be eaten alive with taxes.  Now he is paying $3000/month on a house worth less than $1500/month and thinking of what he could do with an extra $1500-$2000 per month and if it is worth it.  I can't blame him for contemplating.  He is a pink slip away from disaster and he didn't create the bubble.  I know people like this family.  Anyone who could make $6000/month in 2004, probably without a college degree, has something on the ball.  And he is the last one standing.  Probably went for a fixed rate loan, but that didn't keep the house from dropping well below the purchase price.

Watch this clip if you can bear it.  The human toll of this financial calamity is staggering.  

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 09:57:38 PM EST
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And you thought air travel in the U.S. sucked now? Just wait...

In Chicago, Private Firm Is to Run Midway Airport
By Susan Saulny, The New York Times

Midway Airport is poised to become the first large privately run hub airport in the country, officials said Tuesday, after an investment group bid $2.52 billion to win rights to a long-term lease.

The deal, with Midway Investment and Development Company, requires final approval from the Federal Aviation Administration and the Chicago City Council, which is set to vote Oct. 8...

Congress has allowed the agency to permit up to five airports to take part in the program, and if the Midway deal is approved, it will be the first.

Airports in the program are subject to the same federal oversight as public-use airports.

"As the first privatization of a major American airport, this transaction will provide unprecedented benefits for the traveling public, the airlines and the taxpayers of Chicago," Mayor Richard M. Daley said Tuesday at a news conference here. "For the traveling public, the lease will mean the benefits of a world-class airport operator whose airports have been acclaimed for the range and quality of their amenities and service."

A privatized airport is somehow fitting for the home of the Chicago School and the Temple of Friedman.

by Magnifico on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 01:50:39 PM EST
And you thought air travel in the U.S. sucked now? Just wait...

Not until the same owner gets hold of O'Hare as well....

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 02:32:48 PM EST
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The experience in the UK of privatising airports has been pretty grim, to the extent that the govt is breaking the company up.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 03:02:18 PM EST
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Paul Kedrosky: How the U.S. Saved the European Banking System

Good description in a recent CEPS report of how the U.S., via its AIG bailout, temporarily saved the over-leveraged European banking system.

But the AIG case shows the importance of another link across financial markets, namely massive regulatory arbitrage. The K-10 annex of AIG's last annual report reveals that AIG had written coverage for over US$ 300 billion of credit insurance for European banks. The comment by AIG itself on these positions is: ".... for the purpose of providing them with regulatory capital relief rather than risk mitigation in exchange for a minimum guaranteed fee". AIG thus helped to organise regulatory arbitrage on a gigantic scale. A formal default of AIG would have had a devastating impact on banks in Europe. This explains why AIG's problems had sent shock waves through the share prices of European banks. For the time being the US Treasury has saved, inter alia, the European banking system, but given that AIG is to be liquidated European banks now have to scramble to find other ways of obtaining the `regulatory capital relief' they appear to need urgently.

Get all that? It's less well known than it should be, but Europeans banks have long been gaming their regulators, having far less than the actual capital reserves that they needed given their balance sheets. AIG filled the hole, selling credit defaults swaps to European banks via which they could tell regulators that they were adequately covered -- at triple-A, no less -- while carrying less cash than required.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 03:02:30 PM EST
everybody was gaming the regulators. All those mortgage-backed securities that managed to get 70% of AAA-rate tranche paper out of 100% of junk assets had only one goal - provide better-paying paper to those institutions that, by regulation, could only hold AAA-paper.

It was still mostly done via the trading desks in London and New Yotk.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 03:08:31 PM EST
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and it's coming:


France to propose 300 billion euro financial rescue package

LONDON (MarketWatch) -- France will propose a 300 billion euro ($424 billion) rescue package for the European financial sector, Reuters reported, citing a European government source. European Union countries are due to meet over the weekend to discuss a potential rescue plan. Already, two banks, Fortis and Dexia, have received cash injections from multiple governments.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 03:11:08 PM EST
but like we're seeing in the US, I do not want to bail these scum out so's they can continue their parasitism. This cannot be Groundhog day, everything has to be different.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 03:16:31 PM EST
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Yesterday, Migeru linked to an interview (in French, translated here by me), where injections of capital through the European Investment Bank were advocated.

Today, this is what we can read on VoxEU:

Open Letter to European leaders on Europe's banking crisis: A call to action | vox - Research-based policy analysis and commentary from leading economists

Europe is in the midst of a once-in-a-lifetime crisis. Every European knows what happened when financial markets seized up in the dark years of the 1930s. It is not an exaggeration to say that it could happen again if governments fail to act. We are not predicting that it will happen, but it is critical to know that this is what is at stake.

[...]

In Europe, the key problem is high leverage among the internationally active large banks. Hence the EU contribution must be centred on a recapitalisation of the banking sector, through the injection of public equity or through mandatory debt-to-equity conversions. This has to be done at the EU level (e.g. through the EIB). The current approach of rescuing one institution after another with national funds will lead to a Balkanisation of the European banking sector.

Is the EIB the way to go? How do you capitalize the EIB to the extent required by this solution? As per Wikpedia:

European Investment Bank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The total subscribed capital of the Bank as of end-2007 was EUR 164 billion, of which EUR 8.2 were actually paid-in. Due to the fact that on average EIB extends around EUR 50 billion per year in the form of various loan products, the Bank uses its AAA credit rating and funds itself by raising equivalent amounts on the capital markets.

Where would the EIB get the cash?

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine

by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 03:23:39 PM EST
At least this article doesn't pass the problem off as a "liquidity" problem.  The first step to a solution is to admit the problem.  Are EU governments still talking about "liquidity"?

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 10:04:35 PM EST
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Tom tomorrow explains the bailout

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 04:27:35 PM EST


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