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Paul Krugman Wins "Nobel"

by afew
Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:07:20 AM EST

The "Nobel" Prize for economics was awarded to Paul Krugman:

BBC NEWS | Americas | Krugman wins Nobel for economics

American academic Paul Krugman has won this year's Nobel economics prize, it has been announced.

The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences said the award recognised Mr Krugman's analysis of trade patterns and where economic activity takes place.

It said Mr Krugman, 55, a Princeton University professor, had formulated new theories that answered questions about free trade and globalisation.

<...> Mr Krugman teaches economics and international affairs at Princeton University in New Jersey. He also writes a regular column for the New York Times.

The award is the last of six Nobel prizes announced this year. It is not one of the original Nobels, having been created in 1968 by the Swedish central bank in memory of Alfred Nobel.

Congratulations to Krugman, who has been a voice of sanity throughout the horrific Bush years.

This year the Nobels are all for the French and pinkoes... :-)


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Oops, I see also posted by Melanchthon.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:10:11 AM EST
Pretty impressive win, actually, since it's solo.  Usually a group shares it nowadays.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 09:51:40 AM EST
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Hey, I posted it first! Here is the FT article:

FT.com / World - Krugman wins Nobel prize for economics

US economist Paul Krugman, a critic of the Bush administration for policies that he argues led to the current financial crisis, won the 2008 Nobel prize for economics, the prize committee said on Monday.

The committee awarded Krugman the prize for work that helps explain why some countries dominate international trade.

Krugman, speaking by telephone to a news conference, was caught on the hop by the news.

"I rushed to take a shower so that I could take part in the press conference. I called my wife and I called my parents. I've not yet managed to get myself a cup of coffee," he said.

Krugman has been heavily critical of US President George W. Bush's administration.

The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences said the prestigious Skr10m ($1.4m) award recognised Krugman's formulation of a new theory that addresses what drives world-wide urbanisation.

"He has thereby integrated the previously disparate research fields of international trade and economic geography," the committee said.

"Krugman's approach is based on the premise that many goods and services can be produced more cheaply in a long series, a concept generally known as economies of scale," it said.

"Meanwhile, consumers demand a varied supply of goods. As a result, small-scale production for a local market is replaced by large-scale production for the world market, where firms with similar products compete with one another."

Krugman's theory clarifies why trade is dominated by countries that not only have similar conditions but also trade in similar products. The committee cited Sweden as an example as it both exports and imports cars.

"This kind of trade enables specialisation and large-scale production, which result in lower prices and a greater diversity of commodities."



"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:11:58 AM EST
You were first, fair's fair. But I put in the salient commentary. <cough>

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:36:31 AM EST
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BTW, the FT is simply publishing the Reuters wire there.

Bush critic Krugman wins 2008 Nobel for economics | U.S. | Reuters

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 10:25:41 AM EST
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Except for Ahtisaari ;-)

Bloody hell - he's now come out in favour of NATO, the pillock.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:20:25 AM EST
True. But three French persons and a pinko. (I bet Krugman speaks French too).

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:35:19 AM EST
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So now we see the full plan, Kore was removed from the list of state sponsors of Terrorism, to make space for Norway in the axis of evil.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:58:07 AM EST
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Indeed; Krugman has been know to vacationing in France, and he did so in the summer of 2003 to boot, at the height of anti-French hysteria in the States (Freedom fries, remember those?).
And we have the pictures to prove it (page aptly named: Vacationing with the enemy).

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 09:07:42 AM EST
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And there's an interview of him in Alternatives Economiques this month. QED.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 10:27:51 AM EST
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ET should pen a congratulatory "letter" to him that we can all sign, and invite him to "speak" at ET in a live interview.  Good idea?  Pie in the sky bullshit?

When the music's over, turn out the light. Jim Morrison, the doors
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:22:06 AM EST
I like your idea.

"The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet"
by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:24:27 AM EST
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In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:28:37 AM EST
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Hi "Boss".  Give me a specific "what to do" list and I'll get it done.  Itemize please.

  1. Write a letter including ... etc.

  2. Submit by (fill in date) for ET editing ... etc.

  3. etc

Again, tell me what to do and I'll get it done.

When the music's over, turn out the light. Jim Morrison, the doors
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:35:14 AM EST
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Just do the ground work, and submit it to other ETers for their reaction.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 09:27:17 AM EST
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Sounds good.  

One note:  I am NOT a writer!  Whatever I/we come up with, I want it to have the best chance of getting Krugsey to ET.  Bottom Line:  Give me hell!  I'm a big boy; I can take the criticism.  

I WANT THIS TO WORK!  

Later (in a few hours).

When the music's over, turn out the light. Jim Morrison, the doors

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 09:41:35 AM EST
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Will be going on my morning walk to the Sac State campus shortly; waiting for the sun to come up; will use my walking time to plan my letter writing strategy; will post strategy when I get back (around 9 AM my time).

When the music's over, turn out the light. Jim Morrison, the doors
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 09:26:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:28:56 AM EST
Mr A Paris?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:31:41 AM EST
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That's exactly the conclusion of my comment on Krugman's blog

"The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet"
by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:32:34 AM EST
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sure..

But do not froget to publish your work on the anglo-disease, indicate the dates of first publciation.. and ask for the prize in 2010 when the policies we propose will be fully implemented.

Happy days...

A leasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 09:15:29 AM EST
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"ask for the prize in 2010"
I believe one has to be nominated for the prize.  I suspect that the more prestigious the nomination, the more probable there would be serious consideration.  While I would gladly nominate Jerome, such a nomination would be worthless to possibly harmful.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 02:55:02 PM EST
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J ejej ej

I think I have a friend in the accademy.. but not in economist.. well I think I know a physicist from there..

And if I ever talk to him I will ask him to nominate first the Johns..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXBcmqwTV9s&feature=related

then jerome...

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 03:55:58 PM EST
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"the Johns" LOL  I have bookmarked the site.  Thanks!

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 05:49:58 PM EST
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that reminded me of this one

From February, should have posted it in Jeromes 'Nobody could have predicted...' diary.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 05:52:43 PM EST
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Sure sure.. I know both my heart....Actualy Colbert used the same final line of the one I linked...

"Precisely" and "This is as sophisticated as we(they) ever get" should be normal left-wing lexicon.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 06:27:57 PM EST
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It's not because this time it's a person we rather like that it should be forgotten : even the nobel prize website refers to the prize Krugman got as "the economics prize" rather than "the Nobel prize in economics"

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:30:11 AM EST
I left the final paragraph in for that reason.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:32:09 AM EST
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Indeed. The full official name of the prize is: "The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel".
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:33:34 AM EST
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Thanks, that's what I didn't have time to look up.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:38:43 AM EST
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OK, I always say it so I will remind people that the quotes are important (and not present in the title): there is no Nobel prize in economics. Having said that:

This is terrific news -while I know that the prize is (at least officially) for his academic work and not for his MSM writing, he has been a terrific stalwart for reason, integrity, liberalism and altruism.

OK, pretty much everything we tend to stand for.

I'm too old to have heroes and I'm still ready to criticize him should I feel it warranted, it's just that in years of reading him I haven't seen the need of any significant criticism, which is incredible for someone who takes public positions so often. So I guess he is one of my heroes. Certainly a man I would love to meet.


"The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet"

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:31:04 AM EST
Very much agree. The symbol is strong, and the message clear: we need to be able to reason and defend values for what they do.

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine
by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 09:32:18 AM EST
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His only soft analysis was on international trade  among nations with very different economic status....... and lately he's been saying that the issue is much more complciated that what neolib pro-trade say and also more complicated that what antiglobalizaton hard-core left think... it's an improvement in front of his non-substantivated theories in the early-mid 90's

He does nto know about the issue but knows both extremes are wrong since there are examples that contradict both visions... However he fails to mention even now that it could be that neo-lib free traders are right most of the time or it could be that hard-core antiglobalization movements are right most of the time.

I happen to agree with him, but I happen to think that there is indeed a good set of rules to understand properly international trade between poor and rich nations so that poor nations benefit mostly in terms of wages, health imrpovements and labor conditions...so his only soft discourse is one where he recognizes is soft... a illustration guy from top to bottom.

that's actually tthe best "piropo", Krugman is an ilustration guy. it is great that one of those get the nobel in economics once in a while.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 12:38:09 PM EST
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I suppose I will be the only one here finding Krugman not insightful, not creative, saying nothing unexpected.

Of course the Nobel is for something I know nothing of. But his content on the NYT (the only thing which I know from him, which is quite a lot already) is very uninspiring and un-instructive to me.

On the other side, if one considers the recipients of Nobel prizes, some of them, urghhh... Reagan with a peace prize?

On the economy I've always found Jerome, Hellasious or Roubini the ones that have consistently being "right on the money". So, from a "commentors that I read" perspective, Krugman is uninteresting.

Of all forms of caution, caution in love is perhaps the most fatal to true happiness - Bertrand Russell

by tiagoantao (put_my_login_here <> gmail com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:31:06 AM EST
You'd be hard pressed to find a significant disagreement between Jérôme, Roubini or Krugman.

"The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet"
by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:43:52 AM EST
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Or most of the people writing on this blog, including you and me. That doesn't mean we should be getting any prize for it, or that we are specialists in economics (at least I'm not).

I am just saying that his writing is shallow for me. I never got any special insight from his writings (Roubini or Jerome, on the other hand...).

Anyways, I am not arguing against his Nobel. He got it for other reasons than writing on the NYT. Reasons for which I am not in a position to comment.

Of all forms of caution, caution in love is perhaps the most fatal to true happiness - Bertrand Russell

by tiagoantao (put_my_login_here <> gmail com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:58:04 AM EST
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It's the Overton Window.

Krugman is Serious™. Even though he's considered on the shrill side of Serious, by Serious People, this is still a validation of the fact that even though what he says may not be news to us, it's certainly news to those Very Serious People who still have their heads buried up Friedman's arse.

There seems to be a rather obvious political element to the Economics Not-Really-a-Nobel. It's a useful indicator of the way the winds of change are blowing through the corridors of power. (Etc.)

So - it's good. Even if it's not the last word in heterdoxy, it's still good.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 09:53:28 AM EST
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It's a useful indicator of the way the winds of change are blowing through the corridors of power.

Yes.  I've noticed the swing that's occurred at the Bank of Sweden in recent years.  Some of the recent ones were given out, I suspect, for fear that this or that person would die prior to winning, but we've had Stiglitz, Akerlof, Phelps, and now Krugman.  Sweden is always a little behind the times, but it just confirms that things are turning away from the Friedmanites and the other neoclassical schools.

It's also, along with New Trade Theory, probably a nod to Krugman's stuff written for the masses (Peddling Prosperity, Age of Diminished Expectations, etc).  Krugman one of the few who can actually explain things in a way that the typical person can understand.

Probably a bit of a "Fuck You" to Bush in the midst of a banking crisis as well.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 10:41:58 AM EST
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So... Krugman for SecTreas? :)

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 10:50:08 AM EST
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He has written that he is pathologically unsuited for the job.

It would make it hard to get a proper nomination process.

He would have been a fantastic one though, I'm sure. Not least for his apparent uncorruptibility.

"The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet"

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 10:55:07 AM EST
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He has written that he is pathologically unsuited for the job.
Plus, I doubt he'd want it.
Those kinds of people always end up being the best for public service.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 11:59:04 AM EST
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This may be cynical, but never forget the Peter Principle. Being a good commentator does not a good player make, nor an academic a politician.



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$E(X_t|F_s) = X_s,\quad t > s$

by martingale on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:22:35 PM EST
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This has little to do with the Peter principle.
Politician is a far less intellectually taxing position than academic.

"The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet"
by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Tue Oct 14th, 2008 at 01:07:36 AM EST
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I beg to differ: politics thrives on sophistry and populism, which is anathema to any good academic.

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$E(X_t|F_s) = X_s,\quad t > s$
by martingale on Tue Oct 14th, 2008 at 05:33:36 AM EST
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Not really his thing.  Krugman, as the Bank of Sweden notes, is a trade guy.  Deals with currency crises, geographic contributing factors to trade outcomes, etc.  You'd want a guy like Krugman telling you how to work and rework trade agreements.

Plus, I doubt he'd want it.  He's got what I'm sure is a pretty sweet gig at the NYT.  Certainly, with today's news, he should be getting a big, fat raise.  Why take the paycut to go to Treasury?

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 11:16:33 AM EST
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Why take the paycut to go to Treasury?
Indeed!  Worse, he would not be able to publicly comment so regularly and nearly so freely as Sec. of Treasury.  He simply could not say so many of the things for which we now value him, due to the impact the words would have coming from the Sec. of Treas.  He is much more valuable as an independent voice with an academic base at Princeton.  He could always participate in task forces, etc.  May he have long life and great influence.


If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 03:07:20 PM EST
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I am pretty certain that the paycut (if there would be one -I have no idea how much one makes at the Treasury) will not be a factor.

"The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet"
by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Tue Oct 14th, 2008 at 01:13:23 AM EST
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... not a me-too prize "in honor" of Nobel.


Utsukushikereba sore de ii
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 05:21:48 PM EST
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Yasser Arafat won a real one, too.

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$E(X_t|F_s) = X_s,\quad t > s$
by martingale on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:24:27 PM EST
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... In Honor Of one. Its a strange world.

Utsukushikereba sore de ii
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 09:59:45 PM EST
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Can't expect someone who didn't graduate to be taken seriously.

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$E(X_t|F_s) = X_s,\quad t > s$
by martingale on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 10:34:25 PM EST
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by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:36:56 AM EST
Need one say more?

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:43:16 AM EST
Yay, Paul!  I'm thrilled about this.  It's about damned time.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 09:40:56 AM EST
Hey Drew, might need your help.  You available?

When the music's over, turn out the light. Jim Morrison, the doors
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 09:43:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
So.  What's up?

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 09:46:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Check my just uploaded diary.  You write better than I do; will probably need your help on that.

When the music's over, turn out the light. Jim Morrison, the doors
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 12:36:45 PM EST
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Great news!  With an honorific tip of the hat to Melancthon, here's Krugman's Intro to Keynes.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 09:43:27 AM EST
Competition among goods (market cannibalization) through capture of scale economies and surplus by firms (monopolists), eh? That's some "new theory." His algebraic proofs must be more hellacious than his suasions, so conveying his technical genius. Copyediting. Marx and Engel.

I wouldn't know. I haven't read enough M&E or Weber.

Ironically, the FT copy (quoted above) is the same published under the Reuters headline, "Bush critic Krugman wins 2008 Nobel for economics", byline Anna Ringstrom and Sven Nordenstam. More to the point of political economy in this particular era of global free trade, Myron Scholes's more affable successor is doubtless the most prolific advocate for the Council on Foreign Relations.

As well as writing for the New York Times, Krugman has published in the respected journal Foreign Affairs and is the author of 20 books and more than 200 papers.

Next year --and the Nobel committee must choose someone, because something is better than nothing-- Setser will be crowned for defining currency characteristics of Web 2.0 wealth creation econometrically, 1985-2020. I've no idea how one could praise Krugman's "pinko" credentials. His work ethic perhaps, but not his politics.


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by MarketTrustee (pbing@estudioinc.com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 09:50:34 AM EST
... Marx and Engels ... more likely copy editing economic geographers who had read Marx and Engels and decided to put it into the high arithmetic of calculus.


Utsukushikereba sore de ii
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 05:23:59 PM EST
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I think he was the one reading both economic geographers and Marx and Engels and putting high arithmetic into it.

Like Einstein was reading Newton and Maxwell and putting the special relativity algebra into it.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 06:33:31 PM EST
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... a failing of being a regional economist, I guess ... and they already had the higher arithmetic in there.

However, there's more than being first. Barkely Rosser says:

So, given that he is probably reading this, let me first praise Paul Krugman, with whom I have only had one extended one-on-one conversation. He is one of the most brilliant living economists, he has done very innovative work in many areas, he has been absolutely on the money regarding the current crisis (and I suspect that this has been a factor in the award, although it is not supposed to be).
...

Given all this why then did I go out on a limb to say it would not be Krugman? Well, I thought that since what Krugman was most famous for was applying the Dixit-Stiglitz model to both trade and geography, and Stiglitz already got his for asymmetric information, that paper was clearly deserving, and Dixit should get it. Also, and Krugman has recognized this, others beat him to the punch in applying Dixit-Stiglitz in applying it to trade, with some of the other "losers" mentioned by others being here among those. However, Krugman clearly applied it more thoroughly and widely and vigorously.

... and there is something to be said in defense of applying a traditional marginalist model with a handful of non-conventional consequences more thoroughly, widely and vigorously than others, given the pool from which the Prize in Honor of Nobel is selected.

Also The Basics of Dixit-Stiglitz-Lite (pdf), if you want to see the kind of demand system being applied.


Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 07:17:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Paul Krugman wins the Nobel Prize by Barclay Rosser (egregious moderation)

Further by Barclay:

But, I must now confess that I wrote a very critical review of the book on this that Tyler praises, Development, Geography, and Economic Theory (1996 in JEBO). I had two complaints. One was that the Dixit-Stiglitz heterogeneous goods model from monopolistic competition is not in fact the main source of agglomeration economies in actual regional economies, although Krugman defended his use of this model in that book by arguing that it was useful for providing a rigorous mathematical model, which it does. He compared himself to the person who provided a map to "darkest Africa" when those who had written of it earlier could only vaguely speak of it in words.

My other criticism, connected to the first, was that there had been a long literature in the 1980s that did mathematically model agglomeration economies (not using Dixit-Stiglitz) that he never cited, in contrast with his citing of the use of Dixit-Stiglitz by others before him in trade theory and by Fujita in urban and regional economics. However, most of this literature was by physicists publishing in regional science or geography journals, such as Peter Allen, who was a student of Ilya Prigogine in Brussels, and Wolfgang Weidlich, who is an associate of Hermann Haken at the Institute for Theoretical Physics in Stuttgart. Krugman has never cited these people, and to be very blunt, I publicly called him out on this when he made a presentation at a session on complexity at the AEA meetings in the early 1990s (he was chairing the session and replied "we can discuss citations later, next question" [end of discussion]). Having made this rather snarky remark, I must admit a hard bottom line: it is very possible that Krugman never actually saw or read any of this literature, and certainly none of these people are as deserving of this prize as he is, due to his broader accomplishments (and if he did read it, he may have rejected their approaches as too "ad hoc," even if mathematical). However, at the time I thought it highly likely he was aware of it, which is what motivated the much more critical remarks I made in my book review, which I shall not repeat here, inappropriate as they would be on this day.


Utsukushikereba sore de ii
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 07:22:01 PM EST
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However, most of this literature was by physicists publishing in regional science or geography journals, such as Peter Allen, who was a student of Ilya Prigogine in Brussels, and Wolfgang Weidlich, who is an associate of Hermann Haken at the Institute for Theoretical Physics in Stuttgart. Krugman has never cited these people, and to be very blunt, I publicly called him out on this when he made a presentation at a session on complexity at the AEA meetings in the early 1990s (he was chairing the session and replied "we can discuss citations later, next question" [end of discussion]).

Personal point of reference: For me the turning point in awe of academie was Bernal, late '80s. His work has nothing to do with 'economics' per se. His work is a survey of published besserwissen by Anglo-American classicists and is devastating in scope but also and particularly in admitting "hard science" --outsider, objective analyses of real, archaeological evidence-- to conventions heretofor unassailable.

Scales fell from my eyes.

I want that everyone should see that beautiful light.


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by MarketTrustee (pbing@estudioinc.com) on Fri Oct 17th, 2008 at 08:19:30 PM EST
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copy editing economic geographers who had read Marx and Engels and decided to put it into the high arithmetic of calculus.

What I said. (except that you need to show me where (200 papers, diggit) how Krugman re-egineered the global derivatives trade in order to isolate some differential formula to express international capital investment. Amaze me.)

Meanwhile, back at the CFR ranch ...

Congratulations to Dr Krugman | Setser | 14 Oct 2008

Of course, I am more-than-a-little biased.

A few weeks ago, I was thrilled to find out that this blog was on the reading list of an upper level Princeton course on international finance. So I am even more thrilled to be able to say that both this blog and an IMF working paper that Mark Allen, Nouriel Roubini, Christoph Rosenberg, Christian Keller and I wrote on the balance sheet effects of currency crises are on the reading list of an upper level international finance course taught by a Nobel Laureate!

Setser's whole econoimc life is academia, closed (labor) market, insider-trading. Of course, he's biased! He needs a hook.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by MarketTrustee (pbing@estudioinc.com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 02:11:43 PM EST
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I am afraid I disagree here.

If Krugman was copying Marx and Engels, Einstein was basically copying Newton and Maxwell.

That is not to say that his work is great economics... I do not trust economics... I like the prize becasue he is an eocnomist which is nto on the vicious Friedman side... the other stuff is real science?..don0t kno...and in any cas economist should decide...but Krugman was not copyediting Marx and Engels, that's not true.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 06:31:51 PM EST
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That's fine. At this point in human history, I'd be hard pressed to argue originality, sui generis or leap of intellectual insight to physical "laws" so to express and affirm the inchoate unity. The universe is what it is. One's ignorance of it, what is invisible, is a function of experience with its thermal dynamic immutability and intellectual coherence.

That said, I must point out that Krugman's emminence depends entirely on one's awe of the Nobel committee, where awe signifies nothing less than arrogation of one's own critical faculties to a bunch of people.

Most certainly Marx and Engles predicted "urbanization," the a result of mass confiscation of property, means of production actually owned and distributed as goods and services. The UK and US governments have been dedicated for some time to eliminating competition among property owners. Check out Einstein's political standing, in the time fold.

Most certainly Newton expressed gravity in mathematical language. He was also a religionist and alchemist embedded in the UK parliament. Your association of Krugman to that personage doesn't particularly validate Krugman's, shall we say, impariality to determine metrics of government functions.

I've no idea what Maxwell to which you refer. They all look dodgy, too, in terms of democratic and "scientific" rigor.

What I'm suggesting is that the Nobel committe selected Mr Krugman as an exceptional figure, as was the case with Gore, purely based on his media reach, circulation numbers. And that's pathetic.


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by MarketTrustee (pbing@estudioinc.com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 02:56:06 PM EST
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James Clerk Maxwell, who formulated the Maxwell equations, putting the unification of electrodynamics and magnetism into a coherent mathematical framework.

Arguably the most important advance in physics in all of the 19th century and very probably a prerequisite for the formulation of special and general relativity.

- Jake

Ceterum censeo Chicago esse delendam

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 06:12:41 PM EST
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Freeakonomics blog:
Although most Americans know him best as a firebrand liberal New York Times columnist, in an earlier incarnation he did truly great work in economics revitalizing the study of trade and geography.

The tone of your post betrays a little annoyance. Why, the prize didn't go to a Chicago economist this year. WHY OH WHY IS THAT?
I'd wager Krugman wasn't even on the short list a month ago; but they had to find, in a pinch, a non-tainted economist with enough visibility so as not to look like complete retards.
(And calling Krugman a partisan when you freedom-lovin' Friedman worshippers don't have a problem with him having been good buddies with Pinochet ... that's hypocrisy we can believe in!)

A 'centrist' is someone who's neither on the left, nor on the left.

by nicta (nico&#65312;altiva&#8228;fr) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 03:16:33 PM EST
I don't know if it's that I'm getting more detached from material things but...

Today, the bounce in the stock exchange was big enough to rise my capital by fully one quarter of pretax income. Yet I already know that I will only remember this day as the day Paul Krugman got one of the two prizes (the other being a Pulitzer) he so richly deserved.

I was so excited I had real problems concentrating at work today.
I tend to agree with those who see that as a sign of changes in the main narrative, which will be wonderful if it materialises. It's also a welcome change where competency is rewarded rather than going with the crowd.
But today I don't even really register that far. I am, simply, thrilled for the man.

"The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet"

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 04:42:22 PM EST


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