European Salon de News, Discussion et Klatsch - 15. November

by Fran
Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:13:21 PM EST

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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:13:51 PM EST
Italian Court Acquits Top Police Officials Over G8 Violence | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 14.11.2008
An Italian court handed down sentences Thursday in Genoa against 13 police officers accused of violence against protestors at the 2001 G8 summit in the city but acquitted several high-ranking officers in the case.

Shouts of "shame, shame!" from many of those in the courtroom's public gallery accompanied the late evening reading of the verdicts and sentences, which came after some 11 hours of deliberations by judges.

Among those attending the evening court session were people who were beaten when police raided a school that was being used as a headquarters by anti-globalization groups during the Group of Eight summit.

Prosecutors had asked for a combined total of more than 100 years of jail for the 29 defendants, many of whom had been indicted on charges of assault and causing grievous bodily harm related to the raid at the Diaz school.

Judges acquitted 16 of the defendants, including three who currently serve as top police and security officials in Italy.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:17:14 PM EST
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And let that be a lesson to all you DFHs who want to challenge the illuminati directly......

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 06:05:16 AM EST
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Energy plan aims to wean Europe off Russia - EUobserver

A day before the European Union heads into partnership talks with Russia, its major energy supplier to the east, Brussels has unveiled an strategy outlining how it hopes to wean the 27-country bloc from the fickle oil and gas dealer.

"We will not stand idly by while we sleep walk into Europe's energy dependence crisis," European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said as he presented a detailed, multi-faceted scheme every bit as ambitious as the EU's very much related climate and energy package.

"We must shield European citizens from the risk that external suppliers cannot honour their commitments," he said, without mentioning Russia.

The EU's Energy Security and Solidarity Action Plan, issued on Thursday (13 November) by the European Commission, primarily proposes a diversification of energy sources towards central Asia, the Mideast and Norway.

The EU currently depends on foreign sources for almost 54 percent of its energy consumption, including 61 percent of its gas. According to the commission, this figure will climb to 84 percent by 2030.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:18:00 PM EST
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How about tackling the NEGAwatt issue ?

How about levelling the playing field by matching costs across transport alternatives to encourage the use of the best and discourage the use of the worst ? Rather than driving around in your chauffeur driven fleet of luxury mobiles, how's about using the bus ? How about using an electric bus ? How about prioritizing all sorts of things that make things better instead of throwing subsidies around at industries and ideas that make things worse ?

that or STFU. Cos credibility is hard to come by when you keep doing what you're doing.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 06:24:46 AM EST
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I've been working on and off for more than a year on a Finnish TV series that would entertainingly allow families to find out how to create Negawatts. The concept came out of conversations here at ET. The proposal has still not got through the bureaucracy, but is now in the hands of a commissioning editor at Yle and has a house line producer.

But I won't believe anything until they assign a budget.

I've been working with the local Finnish office of Natural Interest. They have developed a piece of software containing an enormous database of sources for energy consumption - everything from a plugged in but unused phone charger, to a Supertanker. Using the software they can calculate the carbon footprint of companies, organizations, events, buildings etc.


You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 06:38:22 AM EST
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The EU's Energy Security and Solidarity Action Plan, issued on Thursday (13 November) by the European Commission, primarily proposes a diversification of energy sources towards central Asia, the Mideast and Norway.

That's the media's read, not the actual content of the document, which is a lot more focused on demand-side policies, energy efficiency and savings than is made out (of course, Barroso's comments, as quoted, don't help).

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 08:31:12 AM EST
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Fran:
"We will not stand idly by while we sleep walk

aah, astral projection...

i always knew barrozo was an Enlightened One, master of spacetime!

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 12:28:21 PM EST
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EU-Russia summit to ignore nuclear safety concerns - EUobserver

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - EU concerns about Russia's nuclear safety and human rights standards will not get much attention in Nice on Friday (14 November), as French President Nicolas Sarkozy celebrates his role in ending the Georgia war.

Two internal documents on EU-Russia relations prepared by the European Commission and EU diplomats ahead of the summit point to mounting environmental concerns about Russia's defunct nuclear submarines and ageing power plants.

Here come the Russians: but a decrepit army and a tottering economy stand behind President Medvedev's ambitions

"More than 200 nuclear reactors and some 20,000 spent fuel elements coming from dismantled submarines and icebreakers are stored in poor conditions," in north west Russia, the EU analysis - seen by EUobserver - says.

"Russia has prolonged the lifetime of its first generation nuclear reactors, some of which are of the Chernobyl type and close to the EU's border," it adds, noting that an EU-Russia nuclear safety group last met in 2005.

The EU has earmarked €40 million to help Russia control the spread of chemical weapons and fissile materials, including retraining some 30,000 weapons scientists at the International Science and Technology Centre in Moscow.

But Russia says the centre has already "fulfilled" its task, with financial contributions going down in 2008.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:18:22 PM EST
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Sarkozy says U.S. missile shield won't help security - International Herald Tribune

NICE, France: French President Nicolas Sarkozy undercut the American rationale for a U.S. missile shield in Eastern Europe on Friday by saying that the system would do nothing to improve European security.

Sarkozy's comments were the strongest to date by an American ally against the missile-defense plans, which have infuriated Russia despite the Bush administration's insistence that they are aimed at protecting Europe from Iran.

"Deployment of a missile defense system would bring nothing to security in Europe ... it would complicate things, and would make them move backward," Sarkozy said after a summit with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev. Medvedev smiled and pointed his finger at Sarkozy in approval after the comments from the French president.

The remarks came at the end of a week in which the United States and Russia rejected each other's proposed solutions to the standoff over the missile plans, making it increasingly likely that it will not be resolved before U.S. President-elect Barack Obama takes office.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:25:01 PM EST
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Sarkozy seems to have noticed which way the wind is blowing.  That or his pathetic sucking up to Bush was out of insecurity and now that he has no invasion to fear he can show his true colors.
by paving on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:45:44 PM EST
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Sarkozy wants new EU-US-Russia security accord - EUobserver

With Russia's backing for the G20 summit, French President Nicolas Sarkozy proposed a new security and defence arrangement between the EU, Russia and the US to be agreed at a summit mid-2009, calling both on Moscow and Washington to refrain from deploying missiles until that date.

Mr Sarkozy was speaking at a press conference on Friday (14 November) following the EU-Russia summit held in Nice, alongside his Russian counterpart Dmitry Medvedev.

President Dmitri Medvedev got French support on security and defence matters, despite not having fully complied with the ceasefire agreement in Georgia

"As acting EU council president I propose that mid-2009 we gather for instance within the OSCE [Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe] to lay the basis of what might be a future EU security arrangement ...which would of course involve the Russians and the Americans," Mr Sarkozy said, backing an idea originally proposed by his Russian counterpart.

He also expressed his "preoccupation" with Mr Medvedev's threat to deploy short-range missiles in the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad, on the shores of the Baltic Sea, bordering Poland and Lithuania.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:28:04 PM EST
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Is this a return of the third-way?
by paving on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:46:25 PM EST
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President Nicolas Sarkozy pleads for halt to European missile row - Times Online

President Nicolas Sarkozy of France proposed a time-out today in the dangerous arms race prompted by Washington's plans to position a missile defence shield in Europe.

Speaking after hosting an EU-Russian summit in the southern city of Nice, Mr Sarkozy proposed that a security summit be held next summer at which Russia, the United States and Europe could hammer out a long-term security framework. He added that the proposed missile shield would do "nothing" to help European security.

Mr Sarkozy appears to have won the agreement of his Russian counterpart Dmitry Medvedev, who threatened last week to site short-range nuclear missiles in the western enclave of Kaliningrad, on the borders of the EU.

"I have suggested that in mid-2009 we could meet within a framework to lay the foundations of what could possibly be a future pan-European security system," Mr Sarkozy said at a joint press conference with Mr Medvedev. "This would bring together the Russians, the American and the Europeans."

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:29:11 PM EST
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Landmark Cases Force Europe to Reconsider Right to Die | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 14.11.2008
A top Italian court has allowed doctors to cut life support to a coma patient, though euthanasia isn't legal in the country. Meanwhile in Britain, a 13-year-old won the right to refuse a potentially life-saving surgery.

Italy's top appeals court on Thursday, Nov. 13, upheld a July ruling allowing for the removal of feeding tubes supporting a woman who has been in a coma for 16 years.  

Thirty-five-year-old Eluana Englaro's case has fuelled controversy over euthanasia in mostly Catholic Italy where church authorities have spoken out against her elderly father Beppino's wish to terminate her life. Eluana fell into a coma after a 1992 car accident.  

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:20:18 PM EST
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Confrontation or Cooperation?: The New Russia Is no Longer a Crippled Giant - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

Many of the world's up-and-coming new powers neither embrace nor aspire to the Western model of liberal democracy. This makes the idea of an "alliance of democracies" a nonstarter. The new powers include authoritarian regimes and they demand a role in global governance. Russia is ready to cooperate, if the West is ready to take it seriously.

Compete, confront, or cooperate. One of these verbs will define the next era of Russia's relations with the West. The new industrial revolution in Asia, above all in China and India, has led to the redistribution of the world's wealth in favor of new leaders. In the 1980s and 1990s, globalization favored developed nations, but now the tables have turned. Still more critical in the long term is the West's declining moral and intellectual authority in defining the international agenda. It has made too many mistakes and has used too much self-serving rhetoric. At the same time, thinkers from "the second new world" are not being listened to or are too shy to speak up. Thus an intellectual vacuum has emerged. As people and their leaders fail to understand what is happening and where to go, they often resort to outdated recipes.

All of these changes clearly mark a new stage in international development. The Cold War was followed by 12 to 14 years of the post-Cold War era. The dawn of the 21st century saw the end of this period and the beginning of a new one that I call NEC -- a New Era of Competition, Confrontation, or Cooperation. This will be a period of transition, uncertainty, and competition.

The weakening of the traditional democratic model of development has dealt a serious blow to the ideal of political democracy, which has suffered from the economic success of authoritarian nations. China is doing much better than the more democratic -- but far from fully democratic -- India. A partially democratic Kuwait is lagging behind the monarchies of the Persian Gulf. A democratic Lebanon and the Palestinian state ruled by democratically elected radicals are in the throes of civil war. Their more authoritarian neighboring Arab states are doing better.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:22:50 PM EST
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It might have helped if the countries that pushed the democratic ideal so fervantly had a clue about what democracy is. It might have helped if they hadn't such a track record of attacking democracies in favour of installing compliant dictators. It might have helped if the most feverish apologist for invading countries on behalf of democracy had been elected himself, instead of just appointed by the Supreme Court in defiance of the country's own constitution.

People do notice these things.


keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 06:30:54 AM EST
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Row over British plan for labelling 'illegal' Israeli vegetables - Telegraph

The new labelling scheme has been proposed by Britain to put pressure on Israel to fulfil a broken promise to stop developing settlements on occupied Palestinian land.

Consumers in supermarkets across the EU would be made aware their purchases were giving financial support to the Israeli occupation.

Israel's policy of building Jewish communities on the occupied West Bank is illegal under international law.

The plan has echoes of the labelling system for South African fruit and vegetables during apartheid which led some British consumers to deliberately shun produce from white-run South Africa.

But Israel feels the labelling idea is part of a broader attempt by left-wing elements in Britain to ostracise the Jewish state.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:23:12 PM EST
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No, it's got nothing to do with judaism, stop wrapping yourselves in anti-semitic victimhood. It's got everything to do with the aggressive apartheid policies of the Israeli state.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 06:32:35 AM EST
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'Robin Hood' offers cut-price flats for young - Europe, World - The Independent
Kilometre-long queue appears as developer sells homes at cost price

A Spanish property developer has been cast as an unlikely Robin Hood for his plan to sell thousands of flats to youngsters and divorced people at cost price. Since Jose Merino announced he would allocate 2,000 cheap homes tomorrow to those who applied on a first come, first served basis, an impromptu campsite has sprung up in Fuenlabrada, south of Madrid, of those who hope to exchange chilly canvas for four walls.

The kilometre-long tent city reveals the deep desire among Spaniards to own their home, even in these credit crunch days when getting - still less paying for - a mortgage is a mighty challenge. Flats and houses soared to exorbitant heights during the recent property and credit boom. Now the bubble has burst, and sales are paralysed, but prices are falling only slowly as vendors prefer to hold on rather than sell cheap. Property is still largely out of reach for the young or separated, but Spain remains a country where renting is seen as tantamount to throwing money down the drain.

But the frenzy in Fuenlabrada seems something of a dream. Mr Merino's houses are not built yet. He does not even have the plots on which to build. "For the moment, there's no building land," he admits. "There are various options with other developers to buy land around Toledo, or in some town or other south of Madrid."

He plans to build 2,100 flats of between 70 and 90 square metres, which would cost between €120,000 (£103,000) and €168,000 (£145,000) each, prices not very different from flats already on offer in Fuenlabrada. Tomorrow at 10am, he will start to sign up members of a future co-operative, who must each contribute €120 euros to a management fund, then wait. Only those between 18 and 35, or who are divorced singles with no home of their own, may apply.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:23:32 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | UK | Scotland | EU rule change 'threat to birds'

A key weapon in the fight against wildlife crime could be lost because of changes to European agricultural policy, the RSPB has warned.

Landowners and farmers currently lose EU cash if they use "non-selective" methods of bird population control, such as poisoning.

However, the EU wants to break the link between Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) payments and wildlife laws.

The RSPB said a change in the rules would be a blow to Scottish wildlife.

The multi-millionaire owner of the Glenogil estate in Angus, John Dodd, recently had a record £107,650 in CAP payments withheld by the Scottish Government after police found poisoned baits and illegal pesticides on the estate in 2006.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:26:32 PM EST
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SPECIAL FOCUS - Finances and G20
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:14:34 PM EST
G20 Convenes in Washington for Emergency Financial Summit | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 14.11.2008
Leaders of the Group of 20 richest economies and emerging economic heavyweights meet in Washington to craft a joint strategy to deal with the rapidly spreading global financial crisis. No quick fixes are expected.

The summit is expected to set down a number of economic targets and a dateline to prevent the ongoing financial meltdown from turning into a long recession.

The G20 leaders will be debating the best way of tackling the on-going fallout from the crash last year of the US real estate market and how they can work together to save the global financial sector which has been swamped by subprime mortgage debt. They'll also look at solving the cash crunch in the banking sector which has dried up the credit market.

During the summit, which starts on Friday evening and ends with a working dinner at the White House Saturday, Germany will present its contribution to the global efforts: a brief calling for a revision of the way banking executives are paid and the creation of a worldwide loan registry.

Compiled by German financial experts, the brief was commissioned by German Chancellor Angela Merkel and her Finance Minister Peer Steinbrueck.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:16:39 PM EST
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Financial Crisis to Dominate EU-Russia Summit | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 14.11.2008
The global financial crisis will top the agenda at a key EU-Russia summit on Friday, overshadowing rifts between Moscow and Brussels following the August war in Georgia.

Disagreements between the EU and Russia, particularly those connected to the August war in Georgia, will take a back seat to discussion of the current financial crisis, diplomats have said ahead of the EU-Russia summit in Nice on Friday, Nov. 14.

 

"The number one key element will be the global financial and economic situation," Russia's EU ambassador Vladimir Chizhov told a news briefing in Brussels on Wednesday. "A certain coordination of approach will be the best outcome of Nice."

 

The meeting, to be hosted by French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who currently holds the EU's rotating presidency, and attended by his Russian counterpart, Dmitry Medvedev, comes two months after EU leaders condemned Russia's recognition of two breakaway Georgian regions as "unacceptable" and demanded in vain for it to be reversed.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:16:57 PM EST
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Chancellor Merkel Speaks on Financial Reform: 'We Can No Longer Stand Passively By' - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

On the eve of the financial summit in Washington D.C., Chancellor Angela Merkel told a German newspaper that it is time for systemic reform. Warnings that the state should stay out of financial markets, she says, are unwelcome.

How radically is the world ready to change the global financial markets? That is the question many are asking on Friday as heads of state and government from teh world's 20 leading economies head to Washington D.C. for this weekend's financial summit. And German Chancellor Angela Merkel, for her part, seems ready to push for far-reaching change.

 German Chancellor Angela Merkel wants financial reform. In an interview published in the Süddeutsche Zeitung on Friday, Merkel said that she was expecting difficult negotiations -- talks, she said, which would last far beyond this weekend's meeting. But it was time, she told the paper, for greater oversight on the financial markets. "For a long time, we had a situation where very few understood the risks aside from those who wanted to earn money from (complicated new financial) products," Merkel said. "That won't happen again; that can't be allowed to happen again."

To make sure that it doesn't, Merkel is heading to the US armed with a sheaf of proposals and ideas developed for her by a team of Germany's leading economists, headed up by Otmar Issing, the former chief economist at the European Central Bank (ECB). She is expected to float the idea of creating a global risk map which will collate national data on large bank loans and investments as a tool to identify concentrated risk. The paper also argues for greater transparency when it comes to ratings agencies and for complex, structured financial products. International oversight, Merkel says, must be strengthened.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:18:53 PM EST
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Hands up if you made billions of dollars out of the credit crisis - Americas, World - The Independent
Hedge fund 'masters of the universe' face Congressional grilling over their role in the global credit crunch

The five best-paid hedge fund managers - who between them made $12.6bn last year, even as the financial world began to crumble around them - were hauled before the US Congress yesterday and assailed over their huge salaries, their tax perks and their contribution to the credit crisis that has engulfed the globe.

In a piece of public theatre that reflected not just the present crisis, but also a decade or more of vastly increased income inequality, the five men declared themselves innocent of causing the market meltdown and insisted that their riches reflected hard work and investment insight.

As one Congressman, Elijah Cummings, put it, "these are five citizens who have more money than God", and he proceeded to tear into them over rules that have allowed them to pay a fraction of the tax an ordinary teacher, firefighter or plumber might pay.

Philip Falcone, whose Harbinger Capital is one of the world's biggest hedge funds, stressed his humble beginnings as one of nine children living in a three-bedroom home in Minnesota. "My father was a utility superintendent, my mother worked in a local shirt factory," he said. "I take great pride in my upbringing and it is important for people to know that not everyone who runs a hedge fund was born on Fifth Avenue."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:19:17 PM EST
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Grinding to a Halt: Euro Zone Announces Recession - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

The news from Brussels was as bad as had been expected. The European Union's statistics office announced on Friday that the euro zone economy had slid into recession after another quarter of negative growth. Inflation, meanwhile, has stopped completely.

The bad news keeps coming. After Europe's biggest economy, Germany, announced it was in recession on Thursday it was the turn of the euro zone on Friday. The European Union's statistics office, Eurostat, said that the economy in the 15 states that use the euro shrank in the third quarter. With negative growth having been measured in the second quarter as well, the contraction now meets the commonly accepted definition for a recession.

 A sign reading in Italian "Everything 50% off" in a shop in Rome. Recession has hit Italy. It marks the first ever recession to hit the euro zone since the common European currency was introduced in 2002. The economy contracted by 0.2 percent in the July-September period, the same amount as it had declined from April to June.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:21:54 PM EST
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Eurozone to enter first ever recession -EUobserver

The global financial crisis is taking an increasingly heavy toll on Europe's economy as fresh economic projections - to be officially confirmed by the European Commission on Friday (14 November) - show that the 15-strong euro area has entered recession, its first in the structure's history.

The eurozone's economy contracted by 0.2 percent between July and September 2008, following a 0.2 percent decline during the second quater of this year, the BBC reports. Two consecutive quaters of contraction amounts to a definition of recession.

The financial criris has translated into a sharp economic downturn

The pesimistic outlook follows Germany's announcement on Thursday (13 November) that its economy has officially plunged into recession.

The EU's most powerful economy shrunk by 0.4 percent in the second quarter and by 0.5 percent in the third quarter of 2008, with the Federal Statistics Office saying "A negative effect on gross domestic product came from foreign trade, with a strong increase in imports and weakening exports."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:28:36 PM EST
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Nations to talk finance, without a single leader - International Herald Tribune

WASHINGTON: It is not clear how much the leaders of 18 countries plus the European Union, gathering to discuss a fast-moving financial crisis with a soon-to-depart leader of the United States, can hope to accomplish.

But summit meeting by the Group of 20 may clarify one thing: how completely the crisis is reshaping the economic map -- rendering obsolete the old club of powers that fashioned the financial pillars of the post-World War II era at a conference in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, in 1944.

While President Nicolas Sarkozy of France proposed this meeting, and President George W. Bush agreed to play host, the most sought-after country at a gathering some have called Bretton Woods II may prove to be China.

With close to $2 trillion in foreign exchange reserves and an economy that is still growing, albeit more slowly than before the crisis erupted, China is one of the few participants with the financial wherewithal to come to the aid of countries in distress, either directly or by swelling the coffers of the International Monetary Fund, so that it can make more emergency loans.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:24:10 PM EST
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Gordon Brown hints at tax cuts for poor and support for green technology | Politics | guardian.co.uk

Gordon Brown today said that tax cuts aimed at low-paid workers and support for green technology had to be key parts of the response to the financial crisis, and also suggested that UK interest rates would be cut again soon.

In a speech at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York, the prime minister called on other world leaders to join a global fiscal and monetary stimulus package to address the financial crisis.

A key part of this package, Brown insisted, had to be a cut in taxation - especially for the poorest in society, who would help the economy by spending the extra money.

"What we have learned in the past is that when we cut taxes only half the money is spent, the rest is saved. Public works take time to come online," he said. "Those on low incomes are more likely to pass on the benefits of a tax cut."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:25:22 PM EST
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Nobel laureate backs confident Brown ahead of G20 - Times Online

The Nobel Prize-winning economist who hailed Gordon Brown as the potential saviour of the world financial system said he would make a promising academic "if this Prime Minister thing doesn't work out".

Paul Krugman outed himself as Mr Brown's No 1 American fan in a New York Times column after the Prime Minister announced a partial nationalisation of UK lenders last month to help shore up the banking sector. The column appeared the day that the Princeton professor was awarded the 2008 Nobel Prize for Economics and helped to persuade US and European policymakers to line up behind the UK model.

Mr Krugman was among six top economists who met Mr Brown in New York last night over drinks at the Waldorf Hotel and, in a BBC interview afterwards, he once again lavished praise on the former Chancellor. "If this Prime Minister thing doesn't work out, he has a pretty good career as an academic," he said. "The level of discussion - particularly for someone accustomed to the US over the last few years - was awesome."

Mr Brown stopped off in New York en route for this weekend's summit of G20 leaders in Washington, where he will be pushing for a co-ordinated fiscal stimulus among the major economies to stop a recession spiralling into a full-blown depression.

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:29:43 PM EST
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Tax cuts are fairly instant - maybe one of the fastest stimulii - but have to be short term only.

I was watching 'Flood' DVD yesterday - the first UK catastrophe movie showing how a storm, a surge and a high tide conspire to flood London by the barrier being overtopped. Simple-minded, but not without excitement.

The solution, according to the professor character of Tom Courtney, is to catch the tide on the turn and release all the flood  water behind  the sluices so that the power of the surge and the storm are defeated by the gravity of the downstream release. And of course the lowered barrier has to be raised to allow this to happen. Therein the movie drama.

But it occurs to me that in a  world of 'Love Me' numbers, where perceptions and expectations outrule statistical risk evaluation, the concept of the counter surge is not inappropriate. The economy as a psychological phenomenon. Hope and change as drivers. A tax cut is a psychological driver - in the short term...

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:54:08 PM EST
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I tend to take the reverse view.  Consider that someone paying taxes is a stakeholder in the system.  The people want to do their part so tell them they will pay X more in taxes and receive X.  Then deliver X.  The failure to deliver X is the primary reason for the tax revolts of the past 30 years.  

The people should have pride when paying taxes into their own government.

by paving on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 04:25:15 PM EST
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Theoretically of course. But people do not feel themselves to be stakeholders - persuade them that they really are and yes, things will change.

There will be surge of births 9 months from the date of Barack Obama becoming President-elect. People are not rational ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 04:43:25 PM EST
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Unemployment benefits are the fastest stimuli, since they set a floor on household budgets and help to hold up collapsing demand.  Tax cuts are good if they're directed at people who can really use them.  Obama's proposal would do some good in the states, for example, although, as I've said, I think they're too broad going up to households making $150k or 200k or whatever it is (those making above $150k or $200k but below $250k stay put, I believe).

Those are more immediate stimuli, but for something along the lines of what we're facing (very real possibility of deflation), governments are going to need programs that put people into actual work with serious wages/salaries.  Takes longer to draw up plans for that kind of thing, of course, but I think it's the more forceful pillar of a stimulus package in the end.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 07:14:42 PM EST
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Tax cuts are rarely geared to those who need them. The past three decades have been one race towards tax policy as a way to transfer ever more loot to the top, not to those who need it.

Unemployment benefits, and other forms of income support, as you say, are far more effective than tax cuts, even when they are said to be for the the benefit of the poor. (Unless they're talking about doing away with sales and vat taxes and replacing them with more highly progressive income tax regimes, which I doubt.)

Mais c'est un scandâââle!!

by redstar on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 09:52:27 AM EST
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Agreed.  Unemployment benefits are the most immediate and effective.

I'd ad aide to the state and local governments in America's case, since that will save jobs directly within those governments as well as keep services up and running, which keeps other jobs going and provides for the general welfare of communities.  States and locals generally have balanced-budget amendments, so when things go to shit, they get slammed.  Similarly, but going the other way, they spend big during booms.  This is, of course, the opposite of how it should work.  It's completely insane, but it's nonetheless the reality of the system.

Sales taxes in the states are set by the state governments, and local governments add to the rate for their cut, so the feds can't really do anything about those.  Those are already somewhat progressive, because essentials are generally not taxed, but I agree that progressive income taxes are better than sales taxes.

If you were going to design tax cuts to maximize the impact, you'd want to do them on people at or below (say) $45k/year, and give rebates to those below the threshold under which they don't pay income taxes.  You could also jack up, for example, the Earned-Income Tax Credit or other negative-taxation mechanisms.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 01:30:06 PM EST
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US laissez-faire to battle European 'social market' at G20 - EUobserver

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Ahead of the G20 meeting of the world's leading industrialised and emerging economies this weekend, the president of the United States and the president of the European Commission have laid down their markers for what should be the solutions to save the global economy.

On Thursday, US President George W. Bush made an impassioned plea for laissez-faire capitalism and warned against turning away from free markets, while commission President Jose Manuel Barroso extolled the virtues of public intervention and the European welfare state model built at the end of World War Two.

The European 'social market' model has been celebrated by President Barroso

"In the wake of the financial crisis, voices from the left and right are equating the free enterprise system with greed and exploitation and failure," said the US leader in a speech on Friday (14 November) at the Federal Hall National Memorial.

He conceded that there had been failures, but the blame for these should be pinned on borrowers, financial firms and regulators, not capitalism.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:27:35 PM EST
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he blame for these should be pinned on borrowers, financial firms and regulators, not capitalism.

Who is not a borrower, a financial firm or a regulator? And if everybody is to blame, then nobody is, right? "Shit happens" seems to be the motto os those that say "it's not capitalism's fault."

That's too easy.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 04:00:04 PM EST
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Kashkari as Paulson's 'chump'?
3:02 PM, November 14, 2008 LA Times Money & Co. blog

Whatever Neel Kashkari is earning to head the Treasury's financial-system bailout program, he surely must be thinking that it's not enough.  At a hearing held by the House Oversight and Government Reform subcommittee today, one congressman questioned whether Kashkari was Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson's "chump."

Another congressman, firebrand Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), lambasted the Treasury for unilaterally deciding this week to junk its original rescue plan of buying bad mortgages from banks.

"Maybe this is some kind of game to some people in the administration," Kucinich lectured the 35-year-old Kashkari. "They're on their way out of office and they just feel they can do whatever they want."

Even a Republican, Darrell Issa of San Diego County, joined in. "I don't know whether to call this 'fire, ready, aim' or something more pejorative," he said of the rescue program's shift.

In a clip I watched on NBC Nightly News Kashkari responded to criticism by saying that he was working as hard as he could on the (bailout.)  Kucinich responded: "No one here is questioning how hard you are working.  What we are questioning is who you are working for!"

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 11:24:37 PM EST
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Looks like siegestate was right on two counts about the impact of factory closings in China the other day:

siegestate: I don't know if I read, or heard or just presumed that after factories are closing that people are going back to their native towns. I believe that I had heard it on a BBC report yesterday, but I should remember to take all news with a grain of salt. It is not atypical for migrants to flood cities in time of woe.

For decades, the steamy Pearl River Delta area of southern Guangdong Province served as a primary engine for China's astounding economic growth. But an export slowdown that began earlier this year and that has been magnified by the global financial crisis of recent months is contributing to the shutdown of tens of thousands of small and mid-size factories here and in other coastal regions, forcing laborers to scramble for other jobs or return home to the countryside.

Factories Shut, China Workers Are Suffering - NYTimes.com

siegestate: But I had also remembered from several years ago that the government was also trying to put a lot of money into farming communities, in terms of communication and roads for example...an effort to uplift them from primitive conditions as well as keep some percentage of people on farms.

Once in the interior, the workers will have less incentive than in the past to return to the coastal provinces. Rising grain prices have made farming more profitable. The Chinese government announced a rural land reform policy last month that could spur some farmers to stay on their land and make better use of it.

A growing number of factories have opened in the interior provinces as well. Wages are still lower than on the coast, but have risen quickly in recent years.

Factories Shut, China Workers Are Suffering - NYTimes.com

And on a tragicomic note, looks like my friend was right about factory owners and managers skipping town, but not necessarily on who they were and where they were doing runners to:

Wang Denggui, father of three, arrived more than a year ago in the palm-lined streets of this southern town with a single goal: toil in a factory to save for his children's school tuition.

But the plans of Mr. Wang and thousands of co-workers unraveled at noon on Nov. 1, when the Taiwanese chairman of their ailing shoe factory climbed over a factory wall to flee the country and his debts. That left several American shoe companies with unfilled orders and 2,000 workers without jobs. <...>

As was the case with the Weixu shoe factory, Smart Union closed without any notice, and hundreds of angry workers poured into the streets to demand that the local government pay them back wages. Many such factories were run by Taiwanese or Hong Kong managers who fled the mainland. Chinese police and courts have limited reach in Hong Kong, which has a separate legal system, and they have almost no ability to prosecute people in Taiwan, which is treated as a renegade province and does not have formal political or diplomatic relations with the mainland.

Factories Shut, China Workers Are Suffering - NYTimes.com

On a brighter, and perhaps related note:

The wave of factory shutdowns is taking place at a time when migrant workers are more aware than ever of their legal rights and know how to put pressure on local governments. Two national labor laws were enacted in January that, among other things, require companies to pay severance and give out more long-term labor contracts. The laws could lead to more labor disputes and protests, said Mary Gallagher, director of the Center for Chinese Studies at the University of Michigan.

"Increasingly, the migrant workers know their rights," she said. ...

Factories Shut, China Workers Are Suffering - NYTimes.com



Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 12:04:05 AM EST
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WORLD
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:14:54 PM EST
Welcome to our world, Mr. President-elect - International Herald Tribune

WASHINGTON: The Russians want him to hold off on installing a missile defense shield in Poland. The Europeans want him to renounce the idea of "regime change" when it comes to Iran, while the Israelis want to be sure he does not give Iran a pass when it comes to nuclear weapons.

The Taliban also issued a statement this week urging him to "put an end to all the policies being followed by his Opposition Party, the Republicans, and pull out U.S. troops from Afghanistan and Iraq."

There is a world of advice out there for President-elect Barack Obama. Within minutes of his election Nov. 4, the calls from foreign governments began, Obama aides say, and have still not stopped.

While the first telephone exchanges between Obama and foreign leaders have been limited to pledges of future cooperation and invitations to visit, those leaders and their underlings have also been targeting Obama's advisers and their surrogates with suggestions for how the Obama administration should conduct, and change, American foreign policy.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:19:38 PM EST
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The U.S./European/Israeli POV on Iran:

Welcome to our world, Mr. President-elect - International Herald Tribune

British and French officials are urging the Obama team to work on the atmospherics before sitting down to talk with Iran, out of concern that Obama's pledge to open talks with the Islamic Republic without preconditions will not work unless it is delicately plotted. <...>

Vice President-elect Joseph Biden Jr. has said in the past that he believes the Bush administration should explicitly assure the Iranian regime that it will not seek regime change, as part of a package of incentives and sanctions that the United States and Europe have been using to pry Iran away from its nuclear program.

Obama, for his part, has been a little less clear: He told The New York Times in September that "I think it is important for us to send a signal that we are not hell-bent on regime change, just for the sake of regime change, but expect changes in behavior and there are both carrots and there are sticks available to them for those changes in behavior." <...>

The French foreign minister, Bernard Kouchner, said over breakfast with reporters in Washington this week that he believed "that the personality of Barack Obama can make a difference" when it comes to Iran. But Kouchner also urged that Obama exercise caution, using a speech at the Brookings Institution to warn that the carefully plotted but so-far-unsuccessful trans-Atlantic effort to rein in Tehran's nuclear ambitions could collapse if the American game changer did not actually change the game. <...>

A senior Israeli official said that Israeli officials were in touch with Obama's close aides, in particular Dennis Ross, President Bill Clinton's former envoy to the Middle East.

"For us, it's Iran," the official said, adding that Israel wanted to make sure Obama would tackle the Iran issue as soon as he took office. "We can't afford a vacuum."

And Iran's POV (at least according to the Washington Post):

Facing Obama, Iran Suddenly Hedges on Talks - washingtonpost.com

"People who put on a mask of friendship, but with the objective of betrayal, and who enter from the angle of negotiations without preconditions, are more dangerous," Hossein Taeb, deputy commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps, said Wednesday, according to the semiofficial Mehr News Agency.

"The power holders in the new American government are trying to regain their lost influence with a tactical change in their foreign diplomacy. They are shifting from a hard conflict to a soft attack," Taeb said. <...>

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad sent Obama a congratulatory letter last week, but by Wednesday his welcoming tone had dissipated. "It doesn't make any difference for us who comes and who goes," he said in a speech in the northern town of Sari. "It's their actions which are studied by the Iranian and world nations." <...>

"The U.S. must prove that their policies have changed and are now based upon respecting the rights of the Iranian nation and mutual respect," said  Mojtaba Samareh Hashemi, the president's closest adviser.

Ahmadinejad's media adviser, Mehdi Kalhor, said that "in fair circumstances" Iran would be open to talks. "But that is not when you have a bayonet pressed at your artery," he added, referring to the U.S. forces deployed in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Persian Gulf. <...>

Kalhor, Ahmadinejad's media adviser, said Iran's "policies and position towards America have not changed at all." He added: "Our problems with America are strategic." <...>

In comments during his first news conference, Obama set some Iranian leaders on edge. "Iran's development of a nuclear weapon, I believe, is unacceptable. We have to mount an international effort to prevent that from happening," Obama said. "Iran's support of terrorist organizations, I think, is something that has to cease."

Ali Larijani, speaker of Iran's parliament and a political rival to Ahmadinejad, heard echoes of the past. "Obama's words were tantamount to moving on the previous wrong track," Larijani told reporters.



Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 12:37:29 AM EST
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Russian Leader Medvedev Heading To Cuba, Venezuela, Russian President Medvedev To Travel To Cuba, Venezuela As Ties Deepen With The US Opponents - CBS News
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev plans to travel this month to Cuba and Venezuela, which have increasing military and trade ties with Moscow.

The U.S. has objected to Russia's greater links with the two countries that have antagonistic relations with Washington.

Medvedev will visit Cuba on Nov. 27, the Kremlin press service said. He will also visit Brazil during the trip.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:25:50 PM EST
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Livni not counting on Obama in peace talks - International Herald Tribune

Israel's chief negotiator with the Palestinians said on Thursday Israel did not need any "dramatic" intervention in the peace process from U.S. President-elect Barack Obama when he takes office in January.

Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, who could become prime minister after Israel's general election in February, told Jewish leaders in New York the international community should limit itself to backing the talks according to parameters set out at a peace conference in Annapolis, Maryland, nearly a year ago.

The talks have been hobbled by violence and bitter disputes over Jewish settlement building and the future of Jerusalem.

Livni said she welcomed the outcome of a meeting she attended last weekend in Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt, with the Quartet -- the European Union, Russia, the United Nations and the United States -- and Arab and Palestinian leaders.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:26:51 PM EST
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Barack Obama should lead Middle East peace efforts, says Tony Blair - Telegraph
Tony Blair has called on Barack Obama to lead the world in finding a solution to conflict in the Middle East.

The former Prime Minister said the new President would have the chance to heal divisions in an 'era of real possibility'.

Speaking during a visit to Rwanda, Mr Blair said world leaders had been too tied up with their own domestic agendas to focus properly on the decades-old Middle East conflict.

He admitted that though he tried to influence the Middle East peace process while serving as Prime Minister, his efforts were doomed because he could not acquire the necessary detailed understanding of the issues.

And he said Mr Obama could heal rifts between America and Europe by being prepared to champion causes regarded as priorities in Europe such as the Middle East, poverty and the environment.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:27:08 PM EST
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his efforts were doomed because he could not acquire the necessary detailed understanding of the issues.

And since you've been an ex-prime minister you've been so busy on the US lecture circuit replenishing the coffers so to speak, that you've not had time to do the job as Middle East envoy for the UN.

Mind you, as the person who refused to criticise the invasion of Lebanon last year and the excessive destruction Israel did, even in areas entirely unconnected with Hizbollah, you have to wonder exactly how neutral he was.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 07:05:14 AM EST
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A Nuclear Needle in a Haystack: The Cold War's Missing Atom Bombs - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

In a 1968 plane crash, the US military lost an atom bomb in Greenland's Arctic ice. But this was no isolated case. Up to 50 nuclear warheads are believed to have gone missing during the Cold War, and not all of them are in unpopulated areas.

It was a little early to be swimming in the Mediterranean that year. But in early March 1966, Manuel Fraga Iribarne, the Spanish information minister at the time, and Biddle Duke, the American ambassador in Madrid, together with their respective families, plunged into the chilly waters off the Costa Cálida. Journalists from around the world had gathered on the beach of the small village of Palomares to report on the two families' spring bathing outing. Their interest would have been surprising, if it hadn't been for the hydrogen bomb lying on the ocean floor only a few kilometers away, a bomb with more than 1,000 times the explosive force of the one that flattened Hiroshima.

Only a few weeks earlier, on Jan. 17, 1966, the worst nuclear weapons incident of the entire Cold War had taken place off Spain's southeastern coast. During an aerial tanking maneuver, an American B-52 bomber and a KC-135 tanking aircraft collided in mid-air at 9,000 meters (29,000 feet), and both planes exploded in a giant fireball over Palomares. There were four hydrogen bombs in the hold of the B-52. One landed, unharmed, in tomato fields near the village. The non-nuclear fuse detonated in two others causing bomb fragments and plutonium dust to rain down on the impact site. The fourth bomb fell into the water somewhere off the coast, burying itself in several meters of silt. But where exactly did it fall?

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:55:33 PM EST
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Climate change and property values  L.A. Land: latimes.com   LA Land Blog  Posted by Peter Hong on November 13, 2008

Eroding beaches, disappearing snowpacks, subdivisions decimated by wildfires. Climate change in California could be expensive.

Now the costs of global warming's projected effects in the nation's largest state have been quantified. According to a new report authored by UC Berkeley researchers Fredrich Kahrl and David Roland-Holst, about $2.5 trillion of real estate assets in California are at risk from extreme weather events, sea level rise and wildfires with a projected annual price tag of $300 million to $3.9 billion.

The report includes an assessment of climate change's impact on California real estate.

--Margot Roosevelt


 

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 01:26:44 AM EST
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i am hearing the first reports of californians moving to this area because of the increase in forest fires at home.

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 12:29:48 PM EST
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What are the predictions for trends in temperature and precipitation in Italy north of Rome for the next 20 years?

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 01:15:48 PM EST
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interesting question, geezer, one i think about a lot, as you might imagine.

extrapolating from 15 years in the same spot, and from what locals tell me, i guess a continuation of slow drying out. lake trasimeno is consistently low, and many people run out of water in the summer now who didn't 10 years ago.

it still rains a fair amount, right now we are in a damp period that has lasted 10 days with very few peeps of sun, but there are more cloudy days without rain, especially in fall and spring and less snow every winter, which also is less extreme.

so climate chaos seems to avoid us, touch lignite, though there is the hints of the desertification process i have observed and heard about south of rome, in the length and heat of the summers, which were already plenty warm.

they tend to get more dramatic weather north and south of here, which i believe is caused by sardinia deflecting and taking the brunt of rainy and stormy atlantic low pressure events.

there is still plenty of groundwater, though i have observed that water tables in south facing slopes have dwindled much more that in north facing, which can have 3 hours less daily sunshine per day in midwinter!

i used to gaze across the valley in envy at those lucky sods basking in 5pm sunshine from my shaded side, and i see the snow take 2 weeks longer to melt chez moi than it does 'there', but when i heard about the water situation, i realised i had made a fortituous choice, my winters may be colder than theirs, and my house take more firewood to heat, but my water situation remains copious, though one spring has dried up, sadly, since my sojourn started.

most importantly, with respect to global warming, it is cooler and greener in the 'microwave' months of july and august, and that's something i appreciate more each year.

i know you can get numbers from google, but that's how it is on the ground.

earthquakes, especially living in a 400 year old 3-floor stone cottage, with some of the old 'cement' binding the stone made of sand and clay, and easily scrapable out with a fingernail, are my worst fear. i went through 2 pretty bad ones, one of which did some damage, though nothing like as much as they did to assissi and foligno... where people say they could see church spires from spots they couldn't before, and some wells started to spout hot water!

now that's a side effect i could go for. we went to rapolano hot springs again tonight, and i feel as close to wonderful as makes no difference, even though it's an hour each way drive...

i don't know if global warming increases earthquake risk, i sure hope not, it's too far from low already...

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 08:49:01 PM EST
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At least the climate appears acceptably stable for the next couple of decades on your property.  As long as you are relatively safe from wildfire that is a plus over So. Cal.  I loved the climate, except during fire season, but I do not regret moving.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 09:28:32 PM EST
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heh, operative word 'appears'...

i forgot wildfire, i am surrounded by forest 360°, and yes virginia, in summer i do get paranoid...

have cut all around house, and it would have to get through metre thick walls to get at the main beams, but that's no problem if the wind's strong and the heat intense.

don't go there!

Very strict rules about summer burning, and small plane surveillance helps. every year i see small roadside fires caused by buttflippers, and the plane is called in and over them in like 10 minutes!

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 09:41:17 PM EST
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A while back I saw a North Dakota firm that made a packaged home protection system that covers your house with a foam that will protect it from even intense wildfires.  Sorry that I don't have the reference.  I recall that it cost a few thousand dollars.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 16th, 2008 at 01:05:01 AM EST
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they should open a sales office in CA!

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Nov 17th, 2008 at 08:57:52 PM EST
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THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:15:20 PM EST
BBC NEWS | Europe | Russia church 'stolen by thieves'

A 200-year-old church building has disappeared from a village in central Russia, officials from the Russian Orthodox Church say.

The building had stood near the village of Komarovo since 1809.

It was intact in July but some time in early October thieves made off with it brick by brick, they said.

Local prosecutors had been informed and an investigation was under way, a spokesman for the local Russian Orthodox Church said.

The disappearance of the Church of the Resurrection, some 300 km (186 miles) north-east of Moscow, was not immediately noticed.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:16:23 PM EST
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As they say "use it or lose it"

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 07:06:21 AM EST
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Capitalizing on Climate Change: Power Company Gives Consumers the Nuclear Option - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

A new offer from German power company RWE allows consumers for the first time to select a zero-carbon energy scheme fueled mostly by nuclear sources. But as Germany erupts in anti-nuclear protests, the company may be courting a backlash.

Germany's nascent nuclear renaissance is going commercial. Earlier this week, on the same day that police clashed with thousands of protesters trying to block a delivery of nuclear waste headed for a radioactive dump near the northern German town of Gorleben, a power company released a new energy product designed to capture the business of what it claims is a growing community of pro-nuclear consumers.

German consumers of electricity will now be able to choose a "Pro-Climate" package heavy on atomic energy. "Pro-Climate Power" is the name of the new electricity service available from RWE, one of Europe's largest electricity providers and based in the western German town of Essen. The service provides consumers with an electricity cocktail that derives 68 percent of its power from nuclear sources and 32 percent from hydroelectric energy sources. Although the plan is slightly more expensive than traditional packages, RWE is betting that consumers concerned about global warming will be willing to spend a little more to shrink their carbon footprint.

Back in 2000, when Germany was governed by ex-chancellor Gerhard Schröder's coalition of Social Democrats and Greens, the government pledged to phase out the country's nuclear reactors. Some have already been shut down, and the final reactor is scheduled to go off line in 15 years. Recently, though, a number of politicians in Germany, many of them from Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democratic Union (CDU), have said they want to slow down the phase-out. Power industry lobbyists, in particular, would like to see reactor lifetimes extended because, once the costs of construction are paid off, nuclear power plants can generate huge profits.


by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:21:20 PM EST
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note that RWE is the largest producer of coal-fired power in Europe, if not in the world.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 04:01:56 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Technology | European debut for '$100 laptop'

Europeans will soon be able to buy their own XO laptop.

The One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) organisation is planning to sell the devices via online store Amazon's European outlets from 17 November.

The machines will be sold under the Give One, Get One scheme that the OLPC organisation has already run in the US.

Under that scheme, buyers get one machine for themselves and the other is donated to a school child in a developing nation.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:23:52 PM EST
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Chirst-like anti-rape poster causes outrage in Italy - Telegraph
An anti-rape poster showing a naked woman lying on a bed in a Christ-like pose has been condemned by angry Italian politicians as blasphemous.

The poster, in which the woman's groin is discreetly covered by a white sheet but her breasts are bare, was commissioned by Italy's rape crisis helpline to persuade more victims of sexual assault to speak out.

But the poster, designed to publicise the International Day for the Elimination of Violence against Women on Nov 25, has been condemned as sacrilegious by conservative politicians in Milan, who have vowed to stop 500 copies from being posted around the northern industrial city.

"I'll do everything in my power to stop this poster going up," said a city councillor, Maurizio Cadeo.

He and other right-wing councillors said the poster was "blasphemous" and would offend the religious beliefs of many Italians.

"We're calling for the poster to be withdrawn because an important day like this should not be debased by such a sexual provocation," said councillor Carlo Fidanza, a member of the right-wing National Alliance party.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:26:10 PM EST
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Question: are feminists ok with this poster?

The text is this:


The poster poses the question: 'Who Pays For Man's Sins?' and a caption which reads "Only four per cent of women who suffer sexual violence report their assailants."

but it's still a rather attractive young woman shown naked.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 04:05:34 PM EST
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The poster is brilliant.

You could be a bit more sensitive about it.  

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 04:08:44 PM EST
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it's brilliant.

It's a minefield to comment upon, as your reaction suggests (and, I hasten to say, your reaction is more legitimate than my ignorant comment about the poster).

I just wonder how to look like I'm sensitive about it, except by shutting up (but is that the goal?).

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 06:21:16 PM EST
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feminist, my response is:  What's not to like?  I mean the photo, of course.  I'll leave the caption out.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 04:11:39 PM EST
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Men run naked in the streets of Helsinki

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 04:31:09 AM EST
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My problem with the poster is that it is to esthetic,  making rape almost look good, despite the symbolism of women getting cruzified through rape.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 04:17:41 PM EST
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And it serves to reinforce the rape-as-sexual act point of view rather than the rape-as-violence reality.
by paving on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 04:27:05 PM EST
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As someone who has been the object of such a crime, and who has worked with rape victims, it's my personal opinion that the pendulum has swung quite, perhaps too, far in that direction.  This is just my opinion, and maybe why I like the ad (that, and I have a positive knee jerk reaction to "blasphemous" iconography).  And I don't really know what this situation is like in Europe; our social attitudes toward sex are so different.  I'm appreciative that the emphasis has been on recognizing rape as a violent crime.  But only discussing it as such has never sat well with me.  It's too antiseptic and while important for legal justice, it does not acknowledge the complexity of the crime. Rape is a violent crime.  Rape is also sex.  It is messy.  It's one reason men (or women, or whomever) who have no history of violence or crime struggle to accept they've committed rape, and why victims are often so psychologically screwed up afterwards.  

Just a personal opinion - I don't speak for anyone else.

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 04:52:10 PM EST
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Given the sexualisation of the public space in the UK (tho' not as bad as some countries) I would be wary of having that poster here. Fran's comment is spot on, it's too pretty, too clean. She doesn't look like she's been raped, she looks post-consensual sex.

I don't necessarily wnat her to look bloodied, but I want some sense that something sordid and bestial, a violation, has occured. I hate the idea that some bloke can look at her and go "phwoargh, wouldn't mind some of that as well". And they would with that image, believe me. At leasst here they would.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 07:13:16 AM EST
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I agree. The tag line IS powerful, but the image is right out of the 'sex sells' playbook. There is no sense of the humiliation.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 07:23:46 AM EST
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Is it really going to do much beyond annoying the Catholics?

This looks like something which seemed like a good idea in a design office but has no useful connection to the world most people live in.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 08:13:45 AM EST
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Well, you are just describing a normal day at the agency ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 09:51:57 AM EST
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I was being polite. ;)
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 12:02:25 PM EST
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'madmen' starts again tonight.

dig that show, gotta tape it to watch after coming back from the hot springs!

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 12:33:01 PM EST
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Hoping to pick up the DVDs next time in London...

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 12:34:45 PM EST
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DO IT!!

and let us know what you think...

it starts a bit slow, imo, so give it a chance to warm up yer pixels a bit. the production values (i can see tbg gagging on that phrase, lol), are top notch...almost too much so-

the stylist dept have a strong streak of perfectionism, which makes it mannered as fuck, but... respect for craft where its due.

takes the word 'gloss' to new levels  :)

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 09:09:55 PM EST
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I've been on the periphery of the Finnish ad industry for nearly 30 years, so it is a subject to which I am predisposed ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Nov 16th, 2008 at 10:43:20 AM EST
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KLATSCH
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:15:42 PM EST
Where is Sarkozy?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 06:21:59 PM EST
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In the OT, telling Putin not to hang Saakashvilli by his balls & patting himself on the back.

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 06:29:25 PM EST
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so, do you actually believe that story? Putin realising, on Sarko's behest, that he might be only a Bush? It just doesn't chime.

(and I say that only because I've read lots of Odds & Ends)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 06:32:44 PM EST
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I can see Sarko and Putin having a joke at Bush's expense - if that's what you are asking.

I seems like silly banter, not some diplomatic coup as Sarko presents it.  

It's always the problem with Russia, isn't it?  What is true and what is not?  You just have to let go of these expectations about "truth" and "tales" and go with the flow.

Like Odds & Ends: doesn't matter if it is true.  It's funny.

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 06:46:07 PM EST
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plenty of kwatsch though :)

i think that was probably the redacted version of what putin said. i'm sure the original was much more ...um, colourful...

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 08:54:16 PM EST
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Sorry about the empty Klatsch! But I hope you can apreciate the time and effort that went in to finding the 29 links in the other 4 sections of the Salon. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 10:55:28 PM EST
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I was not critiquing you, but rather wondering why no Klatsch is happening (or at leat being reported) anywhere in the world - and in particular what Sarkozy was doing - because I'm sure otherwise you would have found about it and posted it!

The world is Klatschless right now - not sure it's a good thing!

And thanks as usual for all your work.  The Salon is the best place on the nets to know what's being reported around.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 04:30:03 AM EST
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hear hear!

salon keeps getting better and better.

yay fran

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 12:42:00 PM EST
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