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Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 10:40:18 AM EST
Winter has come to the Rhineland. There was a fine dusting of snow on the ground this morning - something that would be rare even in January.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 10:49:19 AM EST
Craziness with those red numbers over on the right -->

Here the skies are grey and there's a chilly breeze.  Time to warm things up!



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 10:55:15 AM EST
Danke.  There's real snow on the ground here, about 300 m higher than Cologne (Köln).  First snow is always beautiful.

I've barely been to ET in the past weeks, tho i've been lurking.  Had many comments on verschiedene issues in my brain, but they disappear just as quickly as they arise when one's focused elsewhere.  Went to Bremen, paid the rent on the transition Wohnung, and learned that the neighbors who might be able to check out my life through the glass ceiling in the living room are not really neighbors, they're a Pouf (House of Prostitution.)

but i'm really liking Bremen.  Hansastadt and all.

i'm nowhere near organized like ceebs to move (or was that tbg?) but i'll likely survive.  Plus being stupid i'll pay for both places for December, so i can move at my own snail's pace.

Speaking of rg providing some welcome heat, here's an African tribute to moving...  The Unknown Cases; Masimbabele.  (Don't believe there is any real video of the this classic from a decade or so ago.)



Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 01:06:06 PM EST
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Hey! Been wondering what happened to you.

Did you get my email the other day?

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 01:14:32 PM EST
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Yes, sorry, will respond.  Guilty as charged.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 01:29:59 PM EST
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Not to worry, whatever works.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 01:38:55 PM EST
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NYT | Obama Proposes New Economic Stimulus Plan:

CHICAGO -- President-elect Barack Obama on Saturday proposed an economic recovery plan designed to create or salvage 2.5 million jobs over the next two years, calling for "a plan big enough to meet the challenges we face."

Mr. Obama, speaking in the weekly Democratic radio address, said he had directed his advisers to put together a two-year stimulus plan intended to jumpstart the economy and ease the financial crisis in the United States. The plan is larger than any initiatives he proposed during the presidential campaign.

"There are no quick or easy fixes to this crisis, which has been many years in the making, and it's likely to get worse before it gets better," Mr. Obama said. "But January 20th is our chance to begin anew, with a new direction, new ideas, and new reforms that will create jobs and fuel long-term economic growth."

Mr. Obama said he would outline specific details of the proposal in the coming weeks, offering only a broad sketch of the plan on Saturday. He said the two-year effort would put Americans back to work through infrastructure and energy projects.

More like that, please.

Today in Cabinet appointments: Congressman Raul Grijalva, co-chair of the Progressive Caucus, is apparently going to wind up as Obama's pick for Secretary of the Interior.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 11:00:23 AM EST
Text - Obama's Radio Address - NYTimes.com
I have already directed my economic team to come up with an Economic Recovery Plan that will mean 2.5 million more jobs by January of 2011 -- a plan big enough to meet the challenges we face that I intend to sign soon after taking office. We'll be working out the details in the weeks ahead, but it will be a two-year, nationwide effort to jumpstart job creation in America and lay the foundation for a strong and growing economy. We'll put people back to work rebuilding our crumbling roads and bridges, modernizing schools that are failing our children, and building wind farms and solar panels; fuel-efficient cars and the alternative energy technologies that can free us from our dependence on foreign oil and keep our economy competitive in the years ahead.

Infrastructure, education, alternative energy.  I think those are precisely the priorities we need.

Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.

by budr on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 11:36:25 AM EST
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I'd like to see more emphasis on trains than on roads and bridges, but the jobs number is most important.  2.5m jobs is a big friggin' package.  The details should be interesting.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 11:41:10 AM EST
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Heh. Maybe this announcement plus the Treasury appointment will be enough to keep the markets afloat when Citi croaks next week.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 01:50:02 PM EST
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The Wales vs NZ match is starting!  They've thrashed us 19 consecutive times.  Will our fortunes turn around today??

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 12:10:50 PM EST
I assume this is about sports! But what kind of sport?
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 12:15:21 PM EST
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Rugby Union!

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 12:19:50 PM EST
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Are they affiliated with the TUC?

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 12:20:58 PM EST
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lol!

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 12:22:51 PM EST
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There's a surprise... Wales lost. :(

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 02:02:41 PM EST
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 It's the taking part ...  - or was it the taking apart ? :-)

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 02:48:32 PM EST
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... and France is playing Australia tonight.

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 03:48:19 PM EST
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You could hardly say France was taken apart - mor e an honourable defeat: Frogs an unlucky 13, Ozzies 18.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 04:44:40 PM EST
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Fortunately I'm neither a rugby fan nor a nationalist:-)


Ruthless Springboks cruise to comfortable 42-6 victory

Heaviest defeat England have ever suffered at Twickenham



Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 05:00:54 PM EST
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Well, even though I'm from Toulouse, I'm not paying much attention to rugby, I'm afraid...

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 05:39:29 PM EST
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Very wise -  what are you paying attention to ?

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 06:00:21 PM EST
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Couple of things, but not sports, as you noticed.

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 09:23:24 AM EST
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Bush Hails Georgian Revolution Ahead of Talks With Medvedev - washingtonpost.com

LIMA, Peru, Nov. 22 -- Just hours before a scheduled meeting here with Russia's leader, President Bush issued a provocative statement hailing the fifth anniversary of the so-called "Rose Revolution" in the former Russian province of Georgia.

Bush called the Georgian revolution one of the "most inspiring chapters in the history of freedom" and reiterated U.S. support for Georgia's "territorial integrity" in the wake of Russia's military invasion earlier this year.

"Thirsting for liberty and armed only with roses in hand, citizens throughout Georgia peacefully staked claim to their God-given right of liberty," Bush said in the statement, referring to a wave of massive anti-government protests in 2003. "These demonstrations proved once again, that when given a choice, people choose to live in freedom."

Bush's statement was dated Friday, although it was not released until this morning.

The remarks come at a time of heightened tension between Washington and Moscow in the wake of Russia's August invasion of Georgia in a dispute over the breakaway provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Bush and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev are scheduled to hold a one-on-one meeting later today in Lima, where both are attending the annual Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum.

The Rose Revolution, which peaked on Nov. 22 and 23 of 2003 when protesters stormed parliament armed with roses and eventually forced the resignation of then-Prime Minister Eduard Shevardnadze, is a particularly sore point for Moscow. The uprising ushered in a pro-Western government that has sought to join NATO and end centuries of Russian dominance in its affairs. It was led by Georgia's current prime minister, Mikheil Saakashvili.

Striving to fail? Or scorched earth politics? Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of monomaniac lame ducks?

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 12:24:47 PM EST
he's failed on every count except fucking things up, where he's an historical winner.

trust him to provoke russia in this way, maroon

george...

WAGE PEACE
...or else!

grr, it makes two top crops sit side by side, how would i get it to place text over a whole mini pic?

this html game is starting to _interest me...

old dog, new shtick!

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 08:27:24 PM EST
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Really interesting piece on China 08 as USA 29

Rising unemployment increases the pressure for misguided trade policies

Export subsidies, depreciating RMB - all of this might seem to make sense if you look at China as divorced from the global balance of payments system. These measures to boost exports are, after all, pretty standard ways of increasing production.

But if you think of China's role within the global balance of payments, it seems to me that this is little more that a form of Smoot-Hawley-with-Chinese-characteristics. Global demand is slowing, just as it did in the 1930s, and China as the leading source of global overcapacity is trying to address its global demand problem by shifting the burden abroad.

There are things I'd argue with in the piece, but it's very thought provoking.

h/t to naked capitalism

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/chinas-smoot-hawley.html

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 12:27:07 PM EST
Interesting, and sobering.  That piece enumerates evidence that China is doubling down on exports as a strategy to keep unemployment afloat.  However, most of the talk I read in the (English language) Chinese news is that the government is guiding a major shift from export-driven to domestic-consumption driven growth, e.g.

... All these measures serve to show the shift in the country's macro-control policy, according to Luo Yunyi, director the Institute of Investment Research under the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC). The country had long clung to a prudent fiscal and tightened monetary policy to prevent the economy from overheating.

"To expand domestic demand through increasing fiscal investment is a viable short-term tool to offset the negative influences caused by the current export decline and inactive consumption. But it is also badly needed in the long run given that the country has to think over how to make full use of its huge size of savings and to meet the conditions for its accelerated process of urbanization and industrialization," he said. ...

Stimulus package to push long-term growth | China Daily - Opinion

Affordable housing seems to be a pillar of this new package:

The government's efforts to use infrastructure construction to expand domestic demand and raise people's livelihoods, such as those to solve the housing problem for low-income residents and efforts to strengthen rural infrastructure construction, have not only been in accordance with the spirit embodied in the report delivered by President Hu Jintao to the 17th National Congress of the Communist Party of China (CPC) earlier in March.

They will also map out an unequivocal direction for the national economic growth in the future. The country's economic advancement is mainly for the improvement of living conditions of ordinary people.

To provide them with basic accommodation has long been on the government's top agenda. In the 4-trillion-yuan package, the top authorities have made crystal clear the plan to step up construction of low-priced and low-rental houses for middle and low-income residents and renovation of shanty towns and ramshackle houses in rural areas.

Govt plan signals shift from growth-first policy | China Daily - Opinion

... which is one of the key concerns expressed in this prominently featured opinion piece written by a Western economist on the same day:

China must be cautious in raising consumption | China Daily - Opinion

There is an important lesson to be learned from the West here. It has been precisely the encouragement of Western consumers to stretch themselves to take on ever-larger mortgage commitments and higher housing costs relative to income, which necessitated the low (sometimes non-existent) savings ratios out of income and the reliance on credit for significant consumer spending decisions.

Affordable housing, avoiding a excessive proportion of income committed to housing costs is the only sensible way to sustain rising general consumer spending without a credit explosion to finance it.



Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 04:44:05 PM EST
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Very interesting, as usual, with an interesting story about Obama, whom Lessig has known personnally for a while:



A 'centrist' is someone who's neither on the left, nor on the left.

by nicta (nico@altiva․fr) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 12:46:31 PM EST
He makes an important metaphor work:  that the US is a cancer patient headed to the hospital for the beginning of chemo, and has a wicked auto accident on the way.  Obama needs to put in place a trauma team, as well as begin the transformative prescription of a way to health.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 01:29:07 PM EST
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V. interesting interview. Expecting a short clip, I sat there for an hour! Rose caught him out a bit on the 'greater good' v internet funding bit, but generally a very informative exchange.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 02:28:20 PM EST
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So, what happens in French politics, next? I was thinking that it would be imaginable that we'll see Sarkozy and Bayrou face off in the second round in 2012.

Of course it's very early to speculate, but I gather that French parties tend to run with the same candidates. If Besançenot stays popular and runs, that could take a few votes from the PS. And I don't think Aubry is going to be as popular as Royal.

Can the PS get its house in order in time to be able to frame the 2009 European Parliament elections? I hope that that the European party, the PES, can take some influence and make the European party the face of the elections, rather than the disputed leadership of the French branch.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 01:34:30 PM EST
It might be more than "a few" votes:

According to a recent OpinionWay/Le Figaro/LCI poll, 17 percent of the French are considering supporting him. Bertrand Delanoë gets only 13 percent, Ségolène Royal 9 percent. Among Socialist and other left-wing voters, Besancenot's rise is even more dramatic: Twenty-six percent already see him as the "best opposition leader," whereas Delanoë gets 19 percent, Socialist chairman François Hollande 10 percent, and Royal 9 percent. Moreover, 65 percent of all respondents say they have a "very positive" opinion of him.

http://michelgurfinkiel.com/articles/183-France-Beware-of-the-Red-Mailman.html

 He is just as happy to advertise his friendship with the rappers Joey Starr et Monsieur R as he is to advertise his admiration for Che Guevara. "In the political arena, you get the impression that he comes from another planet", laughs Léon Crémieux, a member of the LCR's Central Committee.

The style may be out of place on the Left, but the younger generation is happy with it. "By drawing new causes like ecology and anti-globalisation into the arena, he's been able to build up a base among first-time voters", as the researcher Vincent Tiberj emphasises. Within the generation born between 1977 and 1982, Besancenot's vote has reached 12%.

http://www.internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?article1386



Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 02:05:03 PM EST
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On the other hand, Aubry might have beaten Sarko. The religious-like following of Royal was a strong draw for some people, but a huge pushback for others. I know several usual PS voters who either stayed away or even switched sides (OK, I find it hard to forgive switching sides for THAT man, but it did happen).

"Few can believe that suffering, especially by others, is in vain. - Galbraith"
by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 02:12:14 PM EST
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And she is reinforcing this aspect of her persona post-campaign...

There are even some who speculate that a share of her support from local politicians is coming because she would probably lose more presidential elections, keeping the PS in opposition status, which helps it in local elections (which are mostly not at the same time as presidential elections)

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 02:18:51 PM EST
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Royal got 9.7 percentage points more in the first round than Lionel Jospin got in 2002, though, and 2.5 percentage points more than Jospin got in the first round in 1995.

However, the final spread in 1995 was 0.8 points closer than in 2007 (which is negligible).

So the draw was stronger than the pushback, certainly when we look at the first round.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 02:35:13 PM EST
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In the first round in 2007, there was a very strong "Vote Utile" movement, avoiding spoiler candidates, which explains the better performance in the first round. Note that in 1995, Chirac had added in some "leftish" color in his campaign that got him a larger share of the youth vote.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 02:42:02 PM EST
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Hmmm... there will be a time and place to wonk over past presidential exit polls, if they exist. My guess would be that Chirac's leftish posturing also lost him some votes among the elderly. As Bernard pointed out in the thread yesterday, Sarko basically won on the back of the 65-plus people.

Now I agree that most of Segolène Royal's tacking to the centre was electorally dumb, but that has to do with larger issues than losing a few voters on the left. Tacking to the centre often involves ceding the argument to your opponent and losing useful contrasts. It's still useful to do some of it, but you have to retain clear contrasts and look to be in control of your own line. Convincing the centre that your line is better is the main goal politicians (in a de facto two party system) have in an election.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 03:02:34 PM EST
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styled Obama's approach as "Motherhood and Mismatch". His take was that Obama took a Motherhood issue, such as Health Care, put out a reasonable policy, then waited for the response of the opposition. Whenever the response was less reasonable, Obama and cohort could calmly restate their approach, and the other side would provide both the contrast and the publicity.

To perform "M&M", you have to have very good control of your message machine and your personal responses. To control that, you have to have campaign discipline and unity.

paul spencer

by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 03:50:40 PM EST
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Oh Chirac's not-that-leftish posturing was no put off for the elderly: it was all about "the social rift" (la fracture sociale) and the need to mend it, with him being the ideal experienced and consensual leader to achieve these aims. This is how he carried the 1995 election.

Interestingly enough, Sarkozy is also trying "the leftish posturing" mode since the beginning of the financial turmoil. He probably figured this is what would pass best with the French public.

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 04:09:03 PM EST
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Both being put off by Royal's style and not very left wing policies could mean more loss of votes to Besancenot and Bayrou ; and if more and more people grow angry at Sarko, the "sure to beat Sarko" aspect of the Bayrou vote could become more attractive.

But then, a lot in presidential campaigns is also determined by media coverage ; I think in 2002 small candidates where strongly covered by the media, whereas in 2007 they made Bayrou into the "third man"...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 02:23:11 PM EST
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The media made him into the third man ? Another view:


There is another baffling statistic, concerning the UDF candidate Francois Bayrou. While he trails both Sarkozy and Royal in the first round polls, despite advancing 4 percentage points in the last poll, he is leading both of them in a second-round contest. In other words, if faced with a choice between Bayrou and Sarkozy, or between Bayrou and Royal, the French would in both cases prefer Bayrou. But if faced with a choice between all three candidates at the same time, the French currently rank Royal ahead of Sarkozy, and Sarkozy ahead of Bayrou. Now again, remember there is a problem of selection bias, and we should remind ourselves that Bayrou is presently the darling of the press, something which may not last once people take a closer at this programme (and discover that he has not got one yet).
...
Sarkozy will manage to unite the centre-right only if confronted by a tax-and-spend Socialist, such as Royal, but not by a consensual liberal such as Bayrou.

http://www.eurointelligence.com/Article.620+M50a610f07e9.0.html



Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 02:39:17 PM EST
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So what is the public perception of Aubry? Can she control it, or can she at least polarise enough to effect a positive perception on the left and acceptability in the centre?
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 02:41:17 PM EST
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She hasn't been on the forefront in the past couple of years, and people don't know her that much. A few data points, in no particular order:
  • She has held cabinet position in the 80's and 90's
  • She's most remembered for the 35 hrs workweek law.
  • She's the daughter of Jacques Delors, former European Commission president.
  • She is no funny woman
  • She's the mayor of Lille since 2001


Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 05:48:38 PM EST
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The marching band I hear outside my window is a reminder that the Rhineland Marching Season has begun.

Typically, they will march through the cold (and it's freezing here tonight) in uniform and time from where they practice to the nearest pub, where they will play a number or two and be rewarded with a round of beer (whether the reward is for playing or stopping, I have no idea). Then on to the next one, and so on until they get to their regular "local", where their festivities shall begin - or to the regular local of a similar club, where they will put in a guest appearance (i.e. play music and drink beer).

And so on until Ash Wednesday...

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 01:46:41 PM EST
Last night i received an SMS informing me that my Stammkneipe, Saxo (Brickhouse) has won the number one whisky bar in Germany at Interwhisky Frankfurt.  While the head of the bar deserves much credit, the win probably goes (tongue in cheek or foot in mouth) to the main customers (Stammkunden.)

Nummer Einz in Deutschland!!!  I'm going there now to celebrate with Mike, our fearless whiskykenner.  (If you realize that this tiny kneipe in Remscheid beat some of the best hotel bars in Berlin, Hamburg and Munich, as well as whisky havens going back centuries, you can grasp what this means.)

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 02:18:10 PM EST
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No flat blue sky this evening -

ev-clouds-70936

Earlier a guitarist was playing Satie's Gymnopédies.

guitar-kids-70933

Then nice biere de noel in the local bar.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 02:20:10 PM EST
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The most common Parkinson's law is that people rise in organizations to their level of incompetence.

There is a lesser known one as well:
"Parkinson's Law of Triviality (also known as the bicycle shed example, and by the expression colour of the bikeshed) is C. Northcote Parkinson's 1957 argument that organisations give disproportionate weight to trivial issues." - Wikipedia

Here is today's example after the auto makers were quizzed on their travel arrangements while asking for $25 billion in loans.

General Motors yesterday belatedly promised to give up two of its five leased executive jets, after its boss had used one to fly to Washington to plead for more government cash in order to stay in business.


Policies not Politics
---- Daily Landscape
by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 05:41:43 PM EST
We must keep our principles straight!  Parkinson's Law of Bureaucracy was: "Work expands so as to fill the time allotted for its completion."  While I aways found this to be true, managers tend to assume the converse, which is not necessarily true.

That employees tend to rise to the level of their incompetence is the Peter Principle,  formulated by Dr. Laurence J. Peter and Raymond Hull in their 1968 book The Peter Principle.  It is also too often true.  Some brave souls realize the predicament and voluntarily return to the last level at which they could preform competently.  Fortunately for the others, admitting that you have promoted someone to a position for which he is incompetent is rather awkward unless you are the owner, so they tend to stay in their positions until something really bad happens.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 06:41:01 PM EST
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""Work expands so as to fill the time allotted for its completion."  While I aways found this to be true"

Well, I haven't.
My law would be more on the lines of: "ET (and other internet) browsing expands to fill the surplus of time allotted for work completion. And a bit beyond that often, creating a scramble to finish work that could have been completed in advance".

"Few can believe that suffering, especially by others, is in vain. - Galbraith"

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 03:19:57 AM EST
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A new corollary!  I never had the opportunity to get paid for internet browsing!

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 10:48:52 AM EST
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Meta-ET

Hmm, well, it's Sunday morning, so I'm not sure how many eyeballs I'll have on this post, but here goes.

Sometime this year, or maybe last year, someone made a comment in a thread about how "regulations are there to allow the honest business to survive"

I thought it was such a great comment that I voted it up, not the least because I figured that I could always return to my user page, look at the list of comments I'd rated and find it again. A bookmark, if you like.

I did just that this morning, and it turns out I ran into an unexpected feature of Scoop, in that the ratings history is expired over time, and now I have no way of finding it again. I tried searching for it, but the key words (honest, regulations, business) don't provide a useful discriminant.

If this rings a bell with anyone, I'd love a pointer to the thread...



We're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine, and the machine is bleeding to death.
by davel on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 05:23:30 AM EST
Is it this one (or can this help you get a line on it)?

Migeru:

Didn't techno have a soundbite along the lines of "regulation is what makes honest business profitable"?

The Scoop search function is crap; you can never find anything that way. I always use the Google search.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 05:47:40 AM EST
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I did use the Google search. It's not a specific deficiency of Scoop; my experience is that any in-house search function is bound to be inferior (not that I'm a google groupie).

My recollection of the thread was that it was something that afew said, and Jérôme à Paris commented something along the lines of "that's it in a nutshell".

If I could see all my ratings, I'd have it in a second, but the page doesn't allow you to examine the archives.



We're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine, and the machine is bleeding to death.
by davel on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 06:03:16 AM EST
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Here it is, I believe.
techno:
Great answer!!!

Sometime during the deregulation craze of the 80s, my dear old mother--a scarred child of the depression was watch the news.  She turned to me and snorted, "Fools! doesn't anyone remember what the economy was like before there were regulation on the banks?"

I have long maintained that the reason regulated economies do better the deregulated ones is that regulations permit the honest businessman to prosper.

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 07:49:07 AM EST
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That's the one! I &heart; you. Or I owe you a beer, or something.

What's fascinating in its own right is how approximately I remembered the comment and its followup, and that someone (heh) was still able to locate it. And it was posted just over one year ago.

I got the poster wrong. I correctly remembered that Jérôme wrote the followup, but he never used the word "nutshell".

I doubt we'll ever see any search engine cope with imcomplete information like this and pull off such a feat.



We're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine, and the machine is bleeding to death.
by davel on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 08:35:06 AM EST
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Two possibilities : search on google, with site:www.eurotrib.com ; or make sure you check the "check archive" box...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 05:51:25 AM EST
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I recollect that comment because I think I was involved in the discussion (or similar ones at another point perhaps) but I can't remember what it was on or when.  

Maybe it was discussion around agency workers, or migrant workers? ie regulations and giving workers better rights so that unscrupulous employers can't exploit them to undercut other businesses.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 08:13:04 AM EST
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