European Salon de News, Discussion et Klatsch -2. December

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Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:20:51 PM EST

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When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:21:58 PM EST
BBC NEWS | Europe | Romanian election neck-and-neck

Romania's opposition Liberal Democrats and Social Democrats are running neck-and-neck in general elections, partial results show.

With 93% of the vote counted, President Traian Basescu's centrist Liberal Democrats (PDL) had won about 33%.

The ex-communist Social Democrats (PSD) had also taken 33%, while the ruling National Liberals (PNL) polled 18%.

Tough coalition talks are expected if these figures are confirmed, as none of the parties would have a majority.

Earlier, exit polls predicted that the Social Democrats would win the elections - the first polls since Romania joined the EU at the beginning of last year.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:37:06 PM EST
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MEPs want Internet firms to have a human code - NEW EUROPE - The European News Source
Saying that, "Privacy protection in authoritarian states is a matter of life or death," Jules Maaten, a Member of the European Parliament from the Netherlands, joined with seven colleagues to send letters to the major European internet and telecommunication companies to call on them to sign a voluntary human rights code which was recently developed and signed by the American Internet companies Google, Yahoo! and Microsoft, even though those companies operate in China and have agreed to be censored by the government there, which has been severely criticised for human rights violations. Nevertheless, Maaten said, The letters were sent to the CEOs of France Telecom, Telecom Italia, Telefonica, BT, KPN, Skype, Nokia, Ericsson, Eutelsat, and Vodafone, among others.


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:47:45 PM EST
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I think MEPs could start by putting all of their dealings on the net, including their business dealings and lobbyist connections.

We have a saying in the UK, "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 05:42:17 AM EST
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EUobserver: Britain closer to euro, Barroso says

The global credit crunch has sparked a debate about joining the euro among "people who matter in Britain," European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso has said.

Speaking on a French RTL radio and LCI television show on Sunday (30 November), Mr Barroso argued that the entry to the eurozone of some EU member states who had previously strongly opposed the move is "now closer than ever before."

President Barroso (r) says UK officials are warming up to the euro (Photo: European Community)

"I'm not going to break the confidentiality of certain conversations, but some British politicians have already told me, 'If we had the euro, we would have been better off'," he said.

"I don't mean to say that it will be tomorrow and I know that the majority in Britain are still opposed, but there is a period of consideration under way and the people who matter in Britain are currently thinking about it", the former Portuguese prime minister added.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:50:31 PM EST
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while I would welcome the UK joining the euro, I think this is wishful thinking. Murdoch would never allow it.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 05:43:39 AM EST
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EurActiv.com - Poznan kicks off as EU climate talks stumble | EU - European Information on Climate Change
Delegates from 186 nations are in Poznan, Poland today (1 December) to launch 12 days of talks designed to bring forward an international deal to tackle climate change. But the conference is currently overshadowed by an EU internal row over how to share the 'effort' of reducing CO2 emissions.

"Even if it is too early to expect major breakthroughs, the Poznan conference must shift gear from exploratory discussions to concrete negotiations," EU Environment Commissioner Stavros Dimas stated on 28 November.

There are hopes that Poznan, which runs from 1-12 December, will produce a text, accompanied by a detailed work programme, that can provide the basis for detailed negotiations to prepare for a global deal during the December 2009 conference in Copenhagen.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:53:12 PM EST
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Outcry over arrest of French journalist - Europe, World - The Independent
French politicians and newspapers reacted with shock and consternation yesterday to the brutal pre-dawn arrest of a senior newspaper executive over a relatively trivial libel case.
[..]
Politicians, including a spokesman for President Sarkozy's centre-right party, the Union pour un Mouvement Populaire called for a high-level investigation of the "surreal" and "utterly disproportionate" treatment of the senior journalist.

"L'affaire de Fillipis", already mentioned in Sunday's Salon is turning into a major sh*tstorm in France, mostly because it's shedding light on regular abuse carried out by everyday by the police on hapless and anonymous people.
The incident is embarrassing for President Sarkozy who recently inaugurated discussions and investigations on the financial and political status of the press in France. Opposition politicians said that the incident, especially the use of the word racaille, suggested some French police officers felt that, with M. Sarkozy in power, they could get away with almost anything.

I should probably insert some snarky comment about how could they get such an idea, that the rule of law is paramount under Mr Sarkozy's "pragmatic" rule, but, hey, you guys can read the press and draw your own conclusions.

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 05:01:59 PM EST
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CONCLUSIONS!  I'm lazy and I want someone else to do my thinking for me.  Let me know what I'm supposed to think.  I'm busy microwaving yams.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 05:08:31 PM EST
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WTF?

PARIS 2e: SARKOBAMA

On the night between November 26th and 27th, some mysterious group pasted numerous hundreds of posters in some streets of Paris, depicting the colorful face of Sarkozy in the now mythical Obama campaign style. The posters have different slogans ranging from "Producing a clean ecological source of energy" to "Create one million fixed jobs", followed by a big "Yes we can!"

Via FP Passport
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 05:02:45 PM EST
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Oh, glad I checked the recent comments - I was just about to post the same thing.

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 05:10:16 PM EST
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FWIW, these signs are on all of the lamp posts in my neighborhood.  



Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 05:12:38 PM EST
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Somehow with Sarkozy it makes him look like a villain in a Batman movie.

That would have been a 90s Batman movie by Joel Schumacher, to wit.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 05:20:02 PM EST
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Hilarious.  Dead. On.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 06:00:29 PM EST
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on Worldview?

French Identity in the Obama Era

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 05:35:55 PM EST
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It was on today - yes I did.

I am still waiting for someone to write a diary about race here...

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 05:38:19 PM EST
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We've discussed it before. It gets ugly, largely because people insist on applying their local frames of reference inappropriately.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 05:40:25 PM EST
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The conversation goes roughly like this:

"When will Ireland elect a black President"?

<goggle> "Do you know how many ways the assumptions behind that question are broken??"

"RACIST!"

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 05:45:21 PM EST
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Well, I think that is unavoidable.  And the request for a diary was actually in reponse to some nut I met from East Germany who hated Russians, not "Will Ireland elect a black man?"  

It's a subject that is IMPOSSIBLE to discuss without people getting offended, but I've decided NOT discussing it can't be the answer.  Actually, I've very little concept of the situation in Europe.  Everyone has a different view of things.

Signed,
White girl who is dating black boy and suddenly realizing it's all messier than I was led to believe by my comfortable liberal progressive open-minded self-congratulatory world-view...

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 05:59:12 PM EST
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Is race even the right frame for that?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 06:07:00 PM EST
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For the German nut?  I don't know.  Since, uhm, race is a made up thing to begin with...  But it follows a pattern of 1) people with a history of disenfranchisement in ur neighborhood acting like criminalz, 2) who should go back to where they came from because we don't like their whole scene, and 3) whose bad behavior is often linked to genetics or ethnicity.  The last part I notice a lot when talking about Russians, even coming from Russians...  Anyway, I had this image of Europe as lightyears more tolerant than the US, but this German guy was just actively hating all Russians in a way that made me think I wouldn't want to be in a room alone with him if I were one.  

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 06:19:59 PM EST
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poemless: It's a subject that is IMPOSSIBLE to discuss without people getting offended, but I've decided NOT discussing it can't be the answer.  ... Everyone has a different view of things.

agree 100%.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 06:24:09 PM EST
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It's a subject that is IMPOSSIBLE to discuss without people getting offended

May we soon enter the 22nd century, where humans might have overcome that stupidity, at least if Uhura is right.



Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 09:31:59 PM EST
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Well, if race hasn' been the primary topic of any diary so far, I think it has been a major theme in several diaries.

That clip doesn't just talk about race, though.  I was intrigued by what the one guy said about how many young French people are starting to see themselves more as European rather than as French.

I had heard this from many German students I met studying overseas, but not so much from other European countries.

Then again, this particular guy was half-French, half-Spanish, so he has a particular point of view.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 06:00:08 PM EST
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You always find out about this stuff through American blogs somehow.

Anyway, answers, please, my French speaking co-Europeans...

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 05:17:54 PM EST
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Sarkobama, une image qui ne veut rien dire? - Recherche en histoire visuelleSarkobama, a picture with no meaning ?
Pour toutes ces raisons, et en attendant d'autres éléments d'information, je suis tenté d'interpréter cette campagne comme une opération en faveur du président de la République, dont le caractère pseudo-clandestin s'inspire de l'exemple américain, tout en permettant de résoudre un épineux problème de droit à l'image par rapport à la création de Shepard Fairey. Ses slogans obscurs s'éclairciront peut-être avec le plan de relance dont on nous a annoncé la divulgation prochaine (imitation, là aussi, d'une initiative d'Obama). Mais il ne s'agit que d'hypothèses, qui ne reposent que sur des arguments déductifs, et en aucune façon sur l'analyse de l'image elle-même.For all these reasons, and still waiting for other informations, I am tempted to interpret this campaign as an operation in favour of Sarkozy, with a semi-clandestine aspect inspired by the American example, and also allowing to solve an arduous copyright problem, with regards to Fairley's creation. The obscure slogans may get clearer after the economic plan which should be revealed soon, as has been announced. (Here too is Obama imitated). But this is only an hypothesis, only based on deductive arguments, and in no way on analysis of the picture itself.

(And, btw, if it has been put on a prud'hommes election placard as in that photo, it is illegal.)

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 05:19:28 PM EST
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Here is a video of the posters in action:



"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char

by Melanchthon on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 05:58:17 PM EST
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Damn.  Looks like DailyMotion is blocked in China.  And they apparently have just blocked my latest web proxy, too.  So annoying.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 06:30:34 PM EST
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Putting the "post" in "modernism": The style is not Obama's hand or philosophy.

depicting the colorful face of Sarkozy in the now mythical Obama campaign style

I would like to say, anyone breathing who was ALSO alive TWENTY or FORTY and FIFTY or SIXTY YEARS AGO recognizes that the "style" is signature WARHOLE, a shoe designer. (I'm not certain one needs to be a "professional" curator or art conaisseur to see the obvious integrations of high and low.) And that WARHOLE truly innovated the GENRE of portraiture by DEFACING institutional norms of portraiture in much the same rude manner as Monet, Picasso, Delauney etc "innovated" the received wisdom (Murdoch Alert) of (commercial) art market, yes, pricing.

Let's not, please, get carried away by purportedly novel rumen of "revolution" speech. You've see the signs before. For godssakes, even I've pulled this scam to sell records.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by MarketTrustee on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 06:18:55 PM EST
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Warhol was prophet-creator of pop culture. Every second student flat-sharing community in Berlin has a Warhol poster, so yeah. This Obama pic was done by a street artist called Shepard Fairey.

Shepard Fairey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fairey created a series of posters supporting Barack Obama's candidacy for President in 2008, including the "HOPE" portrait.[17] [18] [19] He then created an exclusive design for Rock the Vote. He sits on the advisory board of Reaching to Embrace the Arts, a not-for-profit organization that provides art supplies to disadvantaged schools and students.[20]

On November 5, 2008, the city of Chicago posted street banners throughout the downtown Loop business district featuring Fairey's Obama "HOPE" portrait. The banners say "Congratulations Chicago's Own Barack Obama, President-Elect of the United States of America." [21]

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 07:02:49 PM EST
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but it can still be pretty funny.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 07:03:15 PM EST
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OMFG. That is funny!

A first print run of 350 was sold out within minutes for $ 45 a piece, and, much to Fairey's annoyance, resold on ebay for a lot more. Wall Street Journal began to track the ebay prices, they quickly shot up to $ 3'000, and reached $ 10'000 in June. In July, a mixed media painting done by Fairey in the same style as his "Hope" poster, sold for $ 108'000.

Just don't get me started on the mechanics of "art production" .... aw, geeze ... migraine coming on though I just got out of bed ...

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by MarketTrustee on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 07:01:09 AM EST
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A comment posted under that blog:

I just wanted to say, bravo and thank you for posting those pictures. I'm intrigued by the Sarko phenomenon...he likes to portray himself as a phenomenon. As a Black woman who experienced overt racism in Paris, I know that tensions can run hot. But I know it is not everyone. I also know that Sarkozy is trying to do a lot, and I hope his vision affects the world positively. I'll keep following your blog too."

I think she is trying to be positive and polite about this stunt, but senses that something is amiss here.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 07:12:14 PM EST
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European Socialists To Join Forces for Elections | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 01.12.2008
Leading European socialists and Social Democrats met in Madrid on Monday to discuss the first common program for the group in European elections and to advocate for greater government intervention in the economy.

The ongoing economic crisis demonstrated the failure of the "economy of egoism" advocated by conservative parties, Spanish Socialist Party deputy leader Jose Blanco told the council of the Party of European Socialists in Madrid.

Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift:  Jose Blanco said the failure of the "economy of egoism" meant a win for socialists in 2009

Some 30 leading politicians, including Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero and recently elected French Socialist Party leader Martine Aubry, were to discuss the first common program of socialists and Social Democrats for European elections.

The socialists would win the 2009 elections, because citizens had understood that "governments are the solution," Blanco said.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 12:38:12 AM EST
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Fran:
"governments are the solution," Blanco said.
 

words to warm the libertarian heart!

anyone else think this statement is a little over the top? government can help solve problems, (as they sure have a hand in helping create them...)

there aren't many libertarians in yurp, methinks.

this guy sounds like he wants too much power.

"I freed thousands of slaves. I could have freed thousands more, if they had known they were slaves." -Harriet Tubman .

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 04:37:55 AM EST
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I always think of it in terms of governments don't determine when it rains or shines, their repsonsibility is to create a climate favourable to people, but business does the micro-managing.

The issue I have is that neo-liberalism seems to abdicate responsibility for the climate to business as well, which really is putting the lunatics in control of the asylum.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 05:58:30 AM EST
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Merkel Affirms German Stance Against NATO Expansion | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 01.12.2008
German Chancellor Angela Merkel affirmed her opposition to quickly admitting Ukraine and Georgia to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) through a spokesman on Monday.

Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, a political rival who is running for the chancellorship next year, had last week also firmly rejected a US proposal to admit them quickly.

In Berlin, deputy government spokesman Thomas Steg said Merkel was "seamlessly" in agreement with Steinmeier on the matter. Neither candidate nation would fulfill the criteria for NATO entry in the foreseeable future, he said.

The question is on the agenda when NATO foreign ministers meet Tuesday and Wednesday in Brussels.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 12:38:58 AM EST
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President Yushchenko seeks warmer links with Moscow as Nato hopes cool - Times Online

Ukraine is moving to soothe relations with Russia as Nato loses interest in offering rapid membership of the alliance.

The reappraisal comes amid debate in Kiev about the wisdom of antagonising the Kremlin, particularly after the confrontation between Russia and Georgia in the summer.

President Yushchenko of Ukraine has ordered a policy review in an effort to defuse tensions with Russia over his country's pro-Western leanings. The shift is an acknowledgement that friction between Kiev and Moscow has made it harder for the European Union and Nato, particularly members such as Germany and France, to embrace Ukraine.

"The majority of Ukrainians understand that strain and antagonism on our eastern border hinder the European and Euro-Atlantic integration of our country," Oleg Voloshin, a spokesman at the Ukrainian Embassy in Moscow, said. "Now Kiev is disposed to intensify its dialogue with Russia to relieve her concerns over some priorities of Ukraine's foreign policy."

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 12:46:40 AM EST
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Really good news.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 05:59:39 AM EST
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Germany aims to protect its interests by guiding the West's ties to Russia - International Herald Tribune

MOSCOW: In the heat of the Georgia crisis in August, Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany flew to Russia to warn about the consequences of renewed militarism. Two days later she was in Georgia, voicing support for the country's eventual entry into NATO.

Autumn crept in and passions cooled. The beginning of October found Merkel back in Russia, looking on as the German utility E.ON and the Russian state energy giant Gazprom signed a significant deal in St. Petersburg, giving the German firm a stake in the enormous Yuzhno-Russkoye natural gas field in Siberia.

Merkel's shifting focus served as a reminder of the pivotal role played by Germany in shaping the West's relationship with Russia. It is Russia's largest trading partner, Europe's single biggest economy and one of America's closest allies. Moscow's aggressive posture has not only thrust Russia, a nuclear-armed energy power, back to the geopolitical spotlight. It has also dragged Germany there with it.

Just as the United States is struggling to redefine its relationship with a resurgent and at times antagonistic government in Moscow, Germany is scrambling to protect the close commercial, cultural and diplomatic ties with Russia it has forged since the end of the cold war -- and, in some areas, long before.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 12:40:23 AM EST
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Corporate Europe (pdf): Watering down the EU's Climate Policies - a multi-pronged corporate attack

As the UN climate talks (COP 14) in Poznań begin, the negotiations on the EU's climate andenergy package aiming to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 20% have moved to a higher gear. Despite intense negotiations between the Commission, European Parliament and Council, there is little chance of having the package fully approved this year1. This article looks at some of the key strategies being deployed by business to weaken and delay the climate and energy package, which was originally put forward by the Commission in January 2007.



You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 05:28:16 AM EST
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De Menezes coroner rules out unlawful killing verdict

The coroner at the inquest of Jean Charles de Menezes today ruled out a verdict of unlawful killing.

Former High Court judge, Sir Michael Wright, began summing up seven weeks of evidence by telling jurors they will only be allowed to return a verdict of lawful killing or an open verdict.


by det on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 10:07:08 AM EST
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You can do that?

Why don't they have the coroner submit the verdict, sentence and implementation all by himself?

Seriously, they CANNOT state that it was unlawful killing? Or was he just applying very strong pressure on the jury?

"The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet"

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 10:18:42 AM EST
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SPECIAL FOCUS Phynance

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:22:24 PM EST
Business Cycle Dating Committee, National Bureau of Economic Research
The Business Cycle Dating Committee of the National Bureau of Economic Research met by conference call on Friday, November 28. The committee maintains a chronology of the beginning and ending dates (months and quarters) of U.S. recessions. The committee determined that a peak in economic activity occurred in the U.S. economy in December 2007. The peak marks the end of the expansion that began in November 2001 and the beginning of a recession. The expansion lasted 73 months; the previous expansion of the 1990s lasted 120 months.


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:24:26 PM EST
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Bernanke Warns That Economy Will Remain Weak - NYTimes.com

Addressing critics of the Federal Reserve's response to the current economic crisis, the central bank's chairman, Ben S. Bernanke, defended the Fed's actions on Monday, calling them "exceptionally rapid and proactive" measures that had helped stabilize the economy.

Ben Bernanke, speaking in Texas, onscreen behind traders on the floor of the new York Stock Exchange.

In a speech in Austin, Tex., Mr. Bernanke warned that the economy would "probably remain weak for a time," with particular problems ahead for exports and household spending. He called for broad new regulations that would allow the Fed more flexibility in assisting institutions considered "critical" to the health of the economy.

But, in response to a question, he said that the current economic conditions -- even with the recession now official -- bear "no comparison in terms of severity" to the 1930s, a period that Mr. Bernanke has studied extensively.

Mr. Bernanke acknowledged the limitations of the Fed's conventional policy-setting tool, the interest rate, and suggested that future actions by the Fed would focus on providing liquidity to the financial system by directly buying securities and acting as a backstop for the credit markets. He also indicated that the Fed was prepared to cut rates again in December.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:25:45 PM EST
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Stocks slide as Bernanke confirms economic stress | Reuters

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Stocks tumbled on Monday as economic reports showing further evidence of the worsening global economic climate were backed up in comments from Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke.

In a speech in Austin, Texas, Bernanke said the U.S. economy remained under considerable strain and noted that policy-makers must be ready to take action.

"I didn't really think he told us a lot, but he reinforced the fact that things are looking pretty dire at the moment," said Frank Lesh, futures analyst and broker at FuturePath Trading LLC in Chicago. "The Fed will have to use all of their capabilities going forward including, but not limited to, future rate cuts."



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:26:24 PM EST
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George W. will continue to be retarded to the end of his days, Dick C. is a horrible creature, and the Clintons are worthless sacks of manure.

Now, back to the real news.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 04:39:57 PM EST
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Bush sorry economic crisis has cut jobs, 401 (k)s

President George W. Bush expressed remorse that the global financial crisis has cost jobs and harmed retirement accounts and said he'll back more government intervention if needed to ease the recession.

"I'm sorry it's happening, of course," Bush said in a wide-ranging interview with ABC's "World News," which was airing Monday. "Obviously I don't like the idea of people losing jobs, or being worried about their 401(k)s. On the other hand, the American people got to know that we will safeguard the system. I mean, we're in. And if we need to be in more, we will."

Bush also admits that he was unprepared for Iraq war. What a President.

by das monde on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 09:06:03 PM EST
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Bush:
On the other hand, the American people got to know that we will safeguard the system. I mean, we're in. And if we need to be in more, we will.

Fiddle, burn, fiddle, burn.

Is it just me, or is the idea of Bush being 'in' more than a little disturbing?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 03:36:14 AM EST
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The man who looked at an audience of plutocrats and said, with no trace of self-consciousness, "you are my base, the haves and the have-mores", does not convince with expressions of sympathy for those he spent his entire Presidency screwing.

Not even Olmert was this disgustingly cheap with his sudden conversion to feigned humanity in his last days.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 06:06:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]
So where's your contribution to the real news?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 01:40:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I've got plans to "jazz things up".

I'm shooting for a "first installment" on Christmas.  Need a couple of weeks to work the kinks out of my "refurbished" laptop.  I'm going disco! (as us oldies used to say).

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 06:40:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Oil drops 9 percent to below $50 as OPEC defers cuts | U.S. | Reuters

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Oil plunged more than 9 percent to below $50 a barrel on Monday after OPEC deferred a decision on new supply cuts at a meeting over the weekend.

The producer group delayed a decision on output until later this month as Saudi Arabia and other Gulf members called for greater compliance with existing cuts agreed to since September to help stem oil's fall from highs over $147 a barrel struck in July.

U.S. crude traded down $4.95 at $49.48 a barrel by 2:26 p.m. EST, while London Brent crude fell $5.41 to $48.08 a barrel.

"The major motivation for sellers is the discounting of the OPEC decision ... but motivation is not hard to find (as) the elements propelling prices from 2003 on have largely dissipated," said Mike Fitzpatrick, vice president at MF Global, in a report.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:31:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, I think this is another year when I'm not gonna score a champagne bottle from Jerome. Heck, I doubt anyone is even close.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 06:07:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Deutsche Bank Rejects Rescue, Even as Stock Falls - NYTimes.com
... Deutsche's is a high-risk strategy. Though the chief executive, Josef Ackermann, has not categorically ruled out a state recapitalization, turning to public coffers could cost him his job, some analysts said.

"For Deutsche, this would be such a U-turn that there would be a problem with credibility," said Simon Adamson, a banking analyst at CreditSights in London.

For now, the bank is walking a fine line, trying to shrink its balance sheet by reducing lending while simultaneously assuring the German government and its best clients that the money spigot remains open for well-run businesses. <...>

Mr. Krause said he had given each banking division targets for reducing lending. Mainly, he said, Deutsche will crank back lending for ventures that are now out of fashion, like leveraged buyouts.

The issue is particularly delicate in Germany, where the Mittelstand, a collection of mostly family-owned companies that has proved highly resilient to the crisis, forms the backbone of employment.

Jürgen Fitschen, the top Deutsche executive for Germany, said last week that Deutsche had raised the volume of its lending to the Mittelstand by 11 percent, to 40 billion euros in the last 12 months. Deleveraging "will not happen on the back" of the Mittelstand, Mr. Fitschen said. ...



Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 07:44:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Lazy-assed journo weenies. It's no wonder newspapers are dying.

the Mittelstand

is nothing other than your small and medium-sized business segment. The key point here (aside from the fact that they really are the primary job engine) is not that they are family-owned businesses (many are, many aren't but that there are an awful lot of toolmakers and manufacturers of other industrial equipment (I know of one company that does nothing but wire cabinets for companies selling equipment to VW) who depend on credit for their working capital over the 12 to 18 mo. order cycle.

The conventional wisdom is that the banks and insurance companies do not want to appear to need bailout money (the Soffin fund). Naturally, executives claim that the fact that the terms set strict limits on compensation (no more than €500k, no bonuses, no golden parachutes) plays no role whatsoever.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 05:43:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Credit-card industry may cut $2 trillion lines: analyst | Reuters
The U.S. credit-card industry may pull back well over $2 trillion of lines over the next 18 months due to risk aversion and regulatory changes, leading to sharp declines in consumer spending, prominent banking analyst Meredith Whitney said.

The credit card is the second key source of consumer liquidity, the first being jobs, the Oppenheimer & Co analyst noted.

"In other words, we expect available consumer liquidity in the form of credit-card lines to decline by 45 percent."

Closing millions of accounts, cutting credit lines and raising interest rates are just some of the moves credit card issuers are using to try to inoculate themselves from a tsunami of expected consumer defaults.



"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 08:11:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Daily Kos: This is the Beginning of the Bush Depression - $2 Trillion Credit Lines to be Cut

The real tragedy of all this is that it doesn't have to happen. Like so many boiling frogs, we are oblivious to how simple the remedy really is.

Many civilizations throughout history have been poor - poor in food, energy, water, minerals. The US is not one of them. We have everything we need to put all of our people to work tomorrow building the greatest civilization the world has ever known.

We have the greatest supply of natural resources of any country on the planet. We have the greatest storehouse of knowledge. Even with the very real energy shortage, we could still use what is left to convert to renewable energy in record time.

And yet all we hear is how we are out of money. Does anyone even comprehend how ridiculous this is?

How did we allow ourselves to be brought to our knees by parasites who produce nothing, and a monetary/banking policy that has sucked all of the money away from the real producers?

Corruption. Plain and simple.

Most people go their entire lives without even questioning where money comes from. It's just always been. But currency is supposed to be a symbol, a tool. Not a shackle. We, as a society, have grown so accustomed to never asking questions about where the money comes from, that we don't see the most obvious thing in the world - we have become slaves to bankers who make more money off the money itself, than the goods or services the money is supposed to represent.

Money is supposed to represent real wealth - so you don't have to carry around your chickens. It should never be the sole source of wealth. Anyone who is making money solely off of money is a parasite.

What kind of system penalizes the producers of real wealth, things that have real value, and rewards the parasites? A system designed by parasites.

This is the greatest opportunity in almost a century to fix this absurd monetary system, and rebuild our country. But it won't happen because the parasites also control our political system. So the people are being taxed to death to pay for the parasites ponzi scheme.



"I freed thousands of slaves. I could have freed thousands more, if they had known they were slaves." -Harriet Tubman .
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 09:42:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Isn't there some sort of Christian/islamic prohibition against usury (ie making money from money) ? I'm beginning to think it's a pretty good idea.

How does the islamic banking system work ? (and I don't mean BCCI)

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 10:26:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]
WORLD

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:22:48 PM EST
Obama's national security `team of rivals' | csmonitor.com

The new national security team President-elect Obama is assembling reflects both caution and political pluck as the commander-in-chief-to-be leans on a Bush holdover as Defense secretary to ease the US out of Iraq and a Washington-savvy retired general to oversee national security matters.

Both choices, Robert Gates to stay on as Defense secretary and James Jones as national security adviser, reflect Mr. Obama's stated desire to build a bipartisan cabinet that is also effective.

In Secretary Gates, Obama chooses a Defense secretary popular with both parties who will temper his ambitious campaign pledge to get out of Iraq in 16 months. The choice of Mr. Jones, a retired Marine general with deep Washington roots, will help Obama to establish his own national security identity in a town wary of his military inexperience.

The two were formally introduced by Obama Monday along with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton as his new secretary of State and Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano as Homeland Security chief, among other new members of his cabinet.

In making his choices, Obama said he sought foreign policy pragmatists who may not agree with one another but who "share a core vision."



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:26:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Sane evil, as I expected. Better than insane evil, and it's not as if you can expect good so long as "realists" are taken seriously.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:29:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Colman:
Sane evil

oxymoron of the day...

first symptom of anglo-asshole disease, reduce linguistic meaning to zero, then proceed according to agenda plan...

sheesh

leaves us with 'insane good' as the other end of the seesaw.

politics as usual. lesser evil as 'good'

"I freed thousands of slaves. I could have freed thousands more, if they had known they were slaves." -Harriet Tubman .

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 05:12:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Bollocks.

Evil - being interested only in achieving your own aims regardless of their effect on others (with a side order of enjoying hurting others) - and sanity are orthogonal. Not one-dimensional.

In this case, insane evil would be wildly flailing around the place in a way unlikely even to achieve your aims repeatedly, while sane evil would be acting amorally but effectively to achieve your aims, not making unnecessary enemies or doing unnecessary damage to your own interests.

It's quite possible to have insane good and sane good. I'll let you come up with your own examples.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 05:19:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]


Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 06:48:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Hope someone defines their version of "evil" first.  Has the makings of a bullshit session I haven't seen since my stoned college days.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 06:55:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]
THE Twank: Has the makings of a bullshit session I haven't seen since my stoned college days.

LOL.  Indeed it does!

But he does give a pretty good starter for a definition:

Colman:

Evil - being interested only in achieving your own aims regardless of their effect on others (with a side order of enjoying hurting others)

Lately, I've been hearing and reading more references to "evil" in more "liberal" press.  Like this, for example:

Don't rationalize the evil of terrorism

Don't rationalize the evil of terrorism

Evil In Mumbai : NPR

... after covering too many killings, as a reporter or host, in Bosnia, Kosovo, Oklahoma City or Somalia, I've come to the conclusion that the perpetrators of such crimes might just be ... evil.

Evil is a word that many people of my generation shrink from using. It seems so imprecise and uneducated -- biblical, rather than cerebral and informed.

But there are times and crimes that remind me how often the Bible gets it right.

I can't help but wonder, is it that because now that liberals hold the reins of power in the U.S., we feel more comfortable using words like "good" and "evil" that we used to reproach the conservatives for post-9/11. (I am not referring to Colman here, but to American liberals in the U.S. media.)

Or maybe my assumptions are wrong:  for example, maybe liberals were also condemning evil during the Bush years as well, but i did not pick up on it in the din of the conservative cacophony.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 07:53:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]
By MY definition, I can catagorically claim that green plants, capable of utilizing solar energy, atmospheric nitrogen, and carbon dioxide for their metabolic purposes ARE NOT EVIL!  Beyond them, you might get into a morass of "evil from whose point of view?".  

Where's my bong?

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 08:19:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Did we already have that conversation about whether for plants WE are evil...hey, the bong, man, I think you put it on the shelf.



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 08:29:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh and hey (puff puff), I have a definition of Evil for you:

Evil

A word humans use to give agency to that which fills them with Fear and/or Loathing



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 08:52:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Is this your personal collection or did you find this photo on the net?  Impressive collection!

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 09:33:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Hey, I thought it was YOUR collection....Twank...WHERE ARE WE?!!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 10:25:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]
More importatnly; when are we ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 10:30:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, I think it's 1432, but I could be out by a few years either way.

Hold on.  OF COURSE!  It's YOUR bong collection!  

But...  

(I remember being on the train, I remember Twank producing a grey handkerchief from his pocket, a handkerchief he opened, revealing a brownish lump.  I remember him saying,

"Psychedelic truffle.  Just try a tiny bit.  I want to sell them to afew."

I remember thinking, "Well, anything to help afew!" and taking a bite.

And then I remember a BANG! and a voice shouting, "Bollocks!")

But....Essex?

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 11:08:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Tell that to the bacteria they kill.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 09:05:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I don't know what was happening in the liberal newspapers (assuming there are any) but I know that online, condemnation of Bush and Cheney for being evil was popular and common.

I'd like to see a right wing definition of evil that isn't tautological. (E.g. replace 'godless' with 'evil', swap back and forth indefinitely.)

Right wingers believe liberals are evil because...?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 08:32:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I have one!  Evil is the most terriblest thing you can think of that you would like to do the exact opposite of all the time, what with you being good.

In the Colman example we can see (get your bong ready) the necessary connection between our concepts of good and evil:

Evil - being interested only in achieving your own aims regardless of their effect on others (with a side order of enjoying hurting others)

As exemplified by Colman's casual

Bollocks

intro, which he typed either regardless of its effect on others (specifically melo), or maybe he typed it with a side order of enjoying hurting others (specifically melo), while intent on "being interested only in achieving [his] aims", which were either to justify his use of "sanely evil" (hope you're puffing hard on that bong!) and/or to poke melo with a pointy stick (back to that enjoyment of hurting others schtick)

All of which leads me to conclude that Colman is Evil.

Your turn!

(Plus I snuck in some oriental philosophy--double bong hit over here, and a glass of beer!)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 08:13:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
All of which leads me to conclude that Colman is Evil
Hasn't that been established before? I thought it was an article of faith around here.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 09:02:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
haha, when evil is funny, does it become good?

i think good people can occasionally enjoy acting evil, without doing damage.

'bollocks' is an adorable greeting, is it common in ireland? a sort of friendly kick in the nuts?

never had the privilege of visiting the emerald isle yet.

the colman grump factor is truly one of my favourite things about this blog... you can feel the atlantic gale winds howling and keening in over the sodden heather, aaah, bracing!

:)>:(>:)

"I freed thousands of slaves. I could have freed thousands more, if they had known they were slaves." -Harriet Tubman .

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 09:12:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Huh?

From your comments I'd have pegged you more like this:

though more combed, of course.

If you want a serious point, I don't think you would have taken that tone with, say, InWales or Jerome--you might have said, "If you don't mind my saying so, I find that to be a bit....bollocks"--the famous Colman humour.

But if you wish to consider yourself unfairly maligned--if your humour bypass is switched ON today--feel free!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 10:24:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Colman:
Evil - being interested only in achieving your own aims regardless of their effect on others (with a side order of enjoying hurting others) - and sanity are orthogonal. Not one-dimensional.

if you say so. are you describing a personal philosophy here? i see it differently... 'sanity' is a state of cleanliness or health, according to my understanding, etymologically speaking.

so real evil can be coterminous with mental health, in your opinion?

(replaces crotch-guard)

"I freed thousands of slaves. I could have freed thousands more, if they had known they were slaves." -Harriet Tubman .

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 09:31:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm not sure how popular that definition of sanity would be.

In the very long term I don't see evil being an effective way of operating, but you'll have to convince a lot of people to abandon foreign policy "realism".

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 09:50:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The Raw Story | Rush Limbaugh endorses Clinton for Secretary of State
NEW YORK -- Rush Limbaugh has seldom been a fan of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. But the conservative radio pundit has given his blessing to her selection as the next secretary of state.

He calls it "a brilliant stroke" by President-elect Barack Obama, who opposed Clinton for the Democratic nomination.

Limbaugh weighs in on the new administration as one of Barbara Walters' "10 Most Fascinating People of 2008," which airs Thursday on ABC.

Says Limbaugh: "You know the old phrase, 'You keep your friends close and your enemies closer?' How can she run for president in 2012? She'd have to run against the incumbent and be critical of him _ the one who made her secretary of state."


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:39:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, sure.  Rush knows who pays the bills.  There wouldn't be a Rush Limbaugh without the Clintons.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:59:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No; turds float, whatever the current.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 06:11:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Barack Obama says US 'will maintain strongest military on planet', as Clinton confirmed top diplomat - Telegraph
President-Elect Barack Obama has declared that the United States should maintain the "strongest military on the planet", while aiming to restore his country's global moral leadership.

Mr Obama promised greater use of diplomacy and greater emphasis on building alliances around the world as he formally introduced his national security team, which included Hillary Clinton as secretary of state.

But the former Illinois senator, whose rise was built on his opposition to the Iraq war, delivered a message of surprising toughness that at times could have come from George W Bush.

Mr Obama said: "To ensure prosperity here at home and peace abroad, we all share the belief we have to maintain the strongest military on the planet."

With the responsibilities of office just seven weeks away, he added that his administration was "absolutely committed to eliminating the threat of terrorism".

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 12:50:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Fran:
Mr Obama said: "To ensure prosperity here at home and peace abroad, we all share the belief we have to maintain the strongest military on the planet."

oh please... i thought this kind of phallus worship was just to get elected...

all that rhetoric, now wasted on becoming a malware salesman.

'baroque' obama?

"I freed thousands of slaves. I could have freed thousands more, if they had known they were slaves." -Harriet Tubman .

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 05:16:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
They could halve their military and still be the strongest on the planet.

It would be nice to imagine they might go for the "most effective" rather than the strongest. Their fondness on remote hi-tech systems may reduce exposure of troops, but creates a detachment that is counter-productive in any operation where the sympathies of the local population are up for grabs. And that's what 21st century military involvement is all about, yet the US has designed a military to win the first and second world wars which actually makes it largely ineffective, however "strong" it is.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 06:17:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
BBC NEWS | Africa | Soldiers rampage at Harare bank

Dozens of troops have run amok in the Zimbabwean capital Harare after losing their temper while queuing up to withdraw cash at a bank.

Riot police used tear gas to disperse about 40 soldiers and a number of civilians who joined the protest.

A local journalist told the BBC troops had looted shops and assaulted passers-by, before the authorities managed to restore control.

The disorder comes as much of Harare is without water amid a cholera outbreak.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:34:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
BBC NEWS | South Asia | India makes protest to Pakistan

India has summoned Pakistan's high commissioner to lodge a formal protest over the attacks in Mumbai.

Indian officials have repeatedly said in recent days there is evidence the militants behind attacks that killed nearly 200 people had Pakistani links.

Islamabad has denied involvement and warned against letting "miscreants" inflame tensions in the region.

India's new home minister has vowed to "respond with determination and resolve" over the crisis.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:35:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Dance! Dance to the terrorist tune! The only possible point of that attack was to elicit exactly that sort of response.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:42:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
of them all:  human stupidity.

And to what great effect!

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 07:31:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Op-Ed Contributor - Fresh Blood From an Old Wound - NYTimes.com
The idea that the road to stability in South Asia goes through Kashmir is as persuasive as the notion that the path to peace in the Middle East goes through Jerusalem. It is also equally hard to realize. Mr. Obama could act quickly to stem growing extremism in Pakistan and strengthen civilian authority by ending American missile attacks within its borders and shifting the allied strategy in Afghanistan away from military force and toward political nation-building and economic reconstruction. At the same time, he will have to find a solution in Kashmir that endows its Muslims with a measure of autonomy while pacifying extremists in both India and Pakistan.


"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 05:48:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
They also need to find a way to persuade the indian government that hindu nationalism is as much as problem for the prospect of peace as muslim extremism and must be forcefully opposed.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 06:20:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The Raw Story | Bush: 'I'm sure some people voted for Obama because of me'
In an interview to be broadcast on ABC News tonight, President Bush conceded that he just might have been part of the reason Barack Obama won the White House.

"I think it was a repudiation of Republicans," he said. "And I'm sure some people voted for Barack Obama because of me. I think most people voted for Barack Obama because they decided they wanted him to be in their living room for the next four years explaining policy."

He apologized for the economic crisis, saying, "I'm sorry it's happening, of course... Obviously I don't like the idea of people losing jobs, or being worried about their 401(k)s. On the other hand, the American people got to know that we will safeguard the system. I mean, we're in. And if we need to be in more, we will."

He also admitted he was "unprepared" for a war in Iraq that has gone on to claim thousands of American lives and tens of thousands of Iraqis.


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:40:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Fool.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:41:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
From the same article:

"I wish the intelligence had been different, I guess," Bush tells ABC's Charlie Gibson in an interview to be broadcast tonight, and said he didn't know if he'd have gone to war if he didn't think there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Could he please shut up. I think the thought of watching Bush do an Olmert is more than I can take...
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:46:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
In interviews, Hitler said that if he'd known Jesus was a Jew he might have been nicer to them. "I wish the intelligence had been different, I guess." he said.

A couple of hundred thousand or so dead and that's the fucking best he can do.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:54:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
A couple of hundred thousand or so dead and that's the fucking best he can do.

I'm quite surprised we get that much out of him.  I would've expected him to either keep his mouth shut or start stamping his feet and shouting "HE TRAAAAHD TA KEEL MAH DADDEH!"

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 04:05:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Now THAT must be on a porn site.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 04:42:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It sure as fuck offends my sense of decency.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 05:45:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Bush can lie all he wants, they cooked the intelligence.

Bush/cheney didn't like the intelligence they were getting from the CIA as it didn't support the invasion, so they created their own tame dept who fed the "right" answers back to them. Don't tell me the "niger yellowcake" wasn't a project sponsored from somewhere in Washington, I refuse to believe the Italians did it just for fun.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 06:24:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
RFI - Riots in Karachi cost 32 lives
Thirty-two people have been killed and about 55 injured in rioting blamed on community-based parties in Pakistan's commercial capital, Karachi. Sporadic gunfire was reported in the port city on Monday afternoon, despite patrols by 800 paramilitary troops.

Troops were authorised to use guns to quell the violence, after rioters set shops and houses on fire in the Orangi Town district. Schools and petrol stations were closed Monday, for fear of further violence.

Officials blame two parties, the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) and the Awami National Party (ANP), but their leaders deny involvement.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:57:39 PM EST
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Robert Fisk: 'Nobody supports the Taliban, but people hate the government' -  The Independent
The collapse of Afghanistan is closer than the world believes. Kandahar is in Taliban hands - all but a square mile at the centre of the city - and the first Taliban checkpoints are scarcely 15 miles from Kabul. Hamid Karzai's deeply corrupted government is almost as powerless as the Iraqi cabinet in Baghdad's "Green Zone"; lorry drivers in the country now carry business permits issued by the Taliban which operate their own courts in remote areas of the country.
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Nobody I know wants to see the Taliban back in power," a Kabul business executive says - anonymity is now as much demanded as it was before 2001 - "but people hate the government and the parliament which doesn't care about their security. The government is useless.
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"We" are not winning in Afghanistan. Talk of crushing the Taliban seems as bleakly unrealistic as it has ever been. Indeed, when the President of Afghanistan tries to talk to Mullah Omar - one of America's principal targets in this wretched war - you know the writing is on the wall. And even Mullah Omar didn't want to talk to Mr Karzai.


Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 04:07:39 PM EST
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Telegraph | President George Bush: 'Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter':

The American leader, who has been condemned throughout his presidency for failing to tackle climate change, ended a private meeting with the words: "Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter."

He then punched the air while grinning widely, as the rest of those present including Gordon Brown and Nicolas Sarkozy looked on in shock.

Just...wow.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 10:06:49 PM EST
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THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:23:15 PM EST
F.D.A. Details Its Food Safety Campaign - NYTimes.com

After years of being criticized for its response to food-sickness outbreaks and contaminated imports, the Food and Drug Administration is stepping up efforts to convince the public and skeptical lawmakers that it is making progress in overhauling the nation's food defenses.

The agency will release a report Monday that summarizes what officials call a "hugely ambitious" campaign to reshape its food inspection arm to root out safety hazards through things like sophisticated software and certifiers from the private sector.

"The goal is to radically redesign the process," said Dr. David Acheson, the agency's associate commissioner for foods. For imported food, for instance, that means trying to detect tainted products during the production process rather than waiting until they enter the country.

"We cannot simply rely on picking the ball up at the point of entry," Dr. Acheson said.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:28:07 PM EST
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Research on mice links fast food to Alzheimer's | Science | Reuters

LONDON (Reuters) - Mice fed junk food for nine months showed signs of developing the abnormal brain tangles strongly associated with Alzheimer's disease, a Swedish researcher said on Friday.

The findings, which come from a series of published papers by a researcher at Sweden's Karolinska Institutet, show how a diet rich in fat, sugar and cholesterol could increase the risk of the most common type of dementia.

"On examining the brains of these mice, we found a chemical change not unlike that found in the Alzheimer brain," Susanne Akterin, a researcher at the Karolinska Institutet's Alzheimer's Disease Research Center, who led the study, said in a statement.

"We now suspect that a high intake of fat and cholesterol in combination with genetic factors ... can adversely affect several brain substances, which can be a contributory factor in the development of Alzheimer's."



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:29:12 PM EST
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London-based maritime insurers began maintaining that the Malacca Strait was a "war risk" as early as early 2000, subsequent to which there's been a 10-fold increase in shipping insurance on sea-going commercial vessels.

Others are maintaining that the 'piracy' folly is being vaunted in order to usher in international military forces [ie, Nato] to police strategic shipping lanes, Gulf of Aden and Arabian Sea.

   
The great game of hunting pirates
, by M K Bhadrakumar, of Asia Times Online. [worth reading in full]

Following is a Gulf perspective, provided simply as a reflection of acute regional concerns:

Piracy in the Red Sea: Saudi points towards Israel.

Divine what you may, from the various various accounts, there is a growing regional concern that, by hook or by crook, the US/ Nato bloc is setting itself up to conquer strategic ME waterways, national sovereignty be damned.
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by Loefing on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 05:15:50 PM EST
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Organic restaurants where only diners come from afar - International Herald Tribune

Thoreau observed that humans are happily designed in such a way that the distance they can cover in a day's walking means that were they to spend every day hiking in a different direction from their homestead, it would take a lifetime to get to know every corner of their surroundings.

There's something analogous in the distance that meat and vegetables can cover in an ox cart in the old formula of market towns gathering and redistributing the produce of a region. It's like concocting a meal with what you have in the kitchen, settling a craving for good economy.

Any region can use a patron saint, and in England's West Country, that saint is Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall (aka Hugh Fearlessly Eats-It-All). One of Britain's top TV chefs, Fearnley-Whittingstall is on a near-holy mission to return to the land. He had his first success with a show called "A Cook on the Wild Side," in which he traveled around cooking up game and wild plants on his camping stove.

Then he settled in Dorset and moved into growing his own food - saddleback pigs, old breeds of chicken - and reviving many old techniques for curing and preserving the food. His larder is permanently hung with sausages, salamis, hams and varieties of smoked fish.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 12:42:42 AM EST
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Forward to wholesome crispy-baked feudal England!

I don't expect he does much actual growing himself, because that would distract from being on TV.

Organic restaurants where only diners come from afar - International Herald Tribune

It's as if the industrial era has been neatly leapfrogged.

Quite.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 03:43:50 AM EST
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KLATSCH

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:23:39 PM EST
Italian prime minister with a hand in TV news sues his journalist critics - International Herald Tribune

ROME: Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi governs with a solid majority, oversees RAI, the state broadcaster, and owns the country's leading private television networks.

So why, with all those means at his disposal, does the prime minister continue to respond to his journalist critics not on television or in the press but instead with lawsuits?

In recent years, Berlusconi has sued the magazine The Economist for writing that he was not "fit to run Italy" and the British journalist David Lane for his 2004 book, "Berlusconi's Shadow," which explored the origins of his fortune and noted that some of his associates had been investigated for Mafia ties. Berlusconi lost those cases in lower court and has either appealed them or still has the possibility of doing so.

Now, he has set his sights on Alexander Stille, America's best-known Italianist and one of the prime minister's most vocal Anglophone critics. A lower court in Milan is expected to rule on Tuesday in a defamation case filed against Stille by a close associate of Berlusconi.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 12:41:33 AM EST
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when-media-tangles-with-politics-it-gets-weird dept:

sky sat-tv has an ad up in italy asking for customers to protest silvio and tremonti's decision to jack up the VAT on sky subs from 10 to 20%.

it show His Sliminess lying to the voters before the election about he wasn't going to raise taxes on 'the italian family'. (like he's gonna raise them on his Confindustria buddies)

and certainly his ownership of Mediaset wouldn't be a conflict of interest, noooo way!

the EU made me do it! funny he wasn't listening to the EU's other ruling about channel 4.

berlu and murdoch, mano a mano over my eyeballs. my bet's on rupe... heh, battle of the titans-

"I freed thousands of slaves. I could have freed thousands more, if they had known they were slaves." -Harriet Tubman .

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 01:34:59 AM EST
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