European Salon de News, Discussion et Klatsch - 10. December

by Fran
Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:02:35 PM EST

On this date in history:

1891 - Birth of Nelly Sachs, a German writer, Nobel laureate, and dramatist whose Nazi experience transformed her into a poignant spokesperson for the grief and yearnings of her fellow Jews.(d. 1970)

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:03:22 PM EST
EUobserver: Greens hail EU deal on renewable energy

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - After seeing many elements of the European Union's climate package watered down over recent days, environmentalists are hailing an agreement reached on legislation that would significantly boost the use of clean energy.

Green groups and the renewable energy sector are calling the deal, reached on Tuesday (9 December) morning between negotiators from the European Parliament, the European Commission and the member states, "historic" and "the world's most important energy law."

European leaders have created loophole after loophole in other parts of the EU's package of laws to tackle climate change (Photo: European Commission)

The three sides have reached a compromise on legislation that would see the European Union increase significantly its use of renewable energy such as wind and solar power.

The deal will establish mandatory national targets for the member states in order to achieve the target of at least 20 percent renewable energy of the total energy consumption by 2020.

"Today tomorrow changed," said Christian Kjaer, the chief executive of the European Wind Energy Association. "The European Parliament and the Council have agreed the world's most important energy law."

Greenpeace, for its part, called the result a "landmark deal" and a "ray of light."

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:05:54 PM EST
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EUobserver: EU Somali mission able to arrest pirates

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - The EU naval mission off the coast of Somalia will arrest and transfer pirates for prosecution to member states or countries beyond the 27-country bloc, the mission's commander-in-chief has said.

Three ships from Great Britain, France and Greece were already off the Somali coasts under the first EU naval mission on Monday, its commander in chief, British Rear Admiral Phillip Jones told journalists at a press conference on Tuesday (9 December) marking the official launch of the operation, dubbed "Atalanta."

Rear admiral Phillip Jones (left) heads the first EU naval mission aimed at fighting pirates off the coasts of Somalia (Photo: EUobserver)

"We have a specific mandate to contribute to reducing piracy and ensuring humanitarian access," he explained, while admitting: "A naval force in itself cannot completely eradicate piracy."

Mr Jones admitted that the surveillance area was "vast", saying: "The more ships and aircraft, the better." The pirates operate up to 500 miles off the Somali coast and in the whole of the Gulf of Aden - a vital corridor for oil tankers and humanitarian aid ships.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:06:33 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | World | Africa | Pirates 'put down hostage revolt'

Somali pirates say they have thwarted an apparent revolt by the crew of a hijacked Ukrainian cargo ship, according to reports.

An unnamed pirate told the AFP news agency that sailors of the MV Faina tried to "harm" two of their captors.

The ship is carrying 33 tanks and other weaponry and was seized by pirates two and half months ago.

A Ukrainian foreign ministry spokesman said they had not received any information of the incident.

"Some crew members on the Ukrainian ship are misbehaving," the pirate said.

"They tried to harm two of our gunmen late Monday. This is unacceptable, they risk serious punitive measures.

"Somalis know how to live and how to die at the same time, but the Ukrainians' attempt to take violent action is misguided."



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:58:30 PM EST
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EUobserver: Barroso backs one commissioner per country principle

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - European Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso has thrown his weight behind the idea of preserving the one country, one commissioner principle - the key pre-condition for Ireland to rerun a referendum on the failed Lisbon Treaty.

"I think it should not be a problem to have a commission with 27 members or more," Mr Barroso said on Tuesday (9 December) - hours before all 27 EU leaders meet later this week for what he called the "most crucial summit in recent years."

"We have empirical evidence it is possible for a commission to work with 27 members ...If it is a very important condition for Ireland I personally will support it," he added.

Under the Lisbon treaty, the EU's executive should slim down in 2014 so that it embraces representatives from only two-thirds of EU countries, with each capital represented in two commissions out of three.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:07:26 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | World | Europe | France fined over GM crop delay

The EU's top court has ordered France to pay a 10m-euro (£8.7m; $12.9m) fine for delaying implementing EU rules on genetically modified (GM) crops.

The European Court of Justice said France's conduct was "unlawful".

France has refused to apply a 2002 law which set out how biotech crops could be planted in areas where other conventional crops were being grown.

Paris has said internal opposition by environmentalists is too strong for it to press ahead with the new measures.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:07:53 PM EST
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Business Feed Article | Business | guardian.co.uk
DUBLIN, Dec 9 (Reuters) - Three cattle herds in Ireland were contaminated with dioxins, authorities said on Tuesday, dragging the country's crucial beef industry into a scandal that has already sparked an international recall of Irish pork products. One of the world's top five beef exporters said there was no need to recall any Irish beef products because the level and extent of contamination in the affected animals was much lower than the levels discovered at 10 pig farms. "This is not a public health issue," Farm Minister Brendan Smith told a news conference. "I'm pleased and relieved with these results." But the discovery will further undermine Ireland's reputation as a supplier of wholesome foods, particularly in Europe, where Ireland is the biggest supplier of imported beef.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:10:17 PM EST
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I feel so sorry for all the farmers, who are blameless in this but will suffer disproportionately.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 05:29:59 PM EST
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AFP: Athens rocked by new protests as shot schoolboy buried

ATHENS (AFP) -- Police and students clashed outside the Greek parliament on Tuesday despite an appeal for calm by the president for the funeral of the 15-year-old boy whose killing by police set off nationwide riots.

Protesters threw Molotov cocktails and other missiles at police guarding parliament as the worst civil unrest to hit Greece in decades entered a fourth day.

Authorities closed off Athens streets after a third night of rampaging looting of banks and stores. Police, who made 87 arrests, said some youths staged attacks with swords and slingshots stolen from a weapons shop.

Twelve more police were injured in Monday's clashes and at least 10 people were hospitalised with problems caused by clouds of tear gas that blanketed central Athens.

The unrest quickly flared again Tuesday despite a government vow to clamp down on the protests.

Tear gas battles erupted at the Athens Polytechnic which along with the nearby Athens Law School has been occupied by students protesting at the killing.

Both colleges are in the Exarchia district where 15-year-old Alexis Grigoropoulos was fatally shot by police on Saturday.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:10:57 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Protests as Athens funeral held

Fresh clashes have erupted in Athens after the funeral of a teenager whose death has sparked four days of rioting across Greece.

Protesters battled police after the ceremony for Alexandros Grigoropoulos, 15, who was shot on Saturday by police.

Earlier, youths confronted police outside parliament, as violence that has seen buildings torched and dozens injured showed no signs of abating.

Meanwhile, the opposition has called for the government to step down.

Tuesday's protests began early in the day. Schools were shut as thousands of teachers, schoolchildren and parents held a peaceful demonstration to protest against the killing.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 04:04:23 PM EST
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I would like to read diary about this...
Here is a video:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=rdeOS4sMAPQ

By the way how you put video here directly?

by vbo on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 07:58:33 PM EST
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Like this: ((youtube* rdeOS4sMAPQ))

Delete the * and you get:



Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 03:56:43 AM EST
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Thank you.
by vbo on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 09:55:50 AM EST
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World | Africa - Reuters.com

ATHENS (Reuters) - A general strike shut down Greece on Wednesday, grounding flights, closing banks and schools and restricting hospital services in action that piled pressure on a conservative government hit by the worst riots in decades.

Workers chanting anti-government slogans gathered in central Athens before a rally called by Greece's two main union federations against economic policy. Authorities braced for a fifth day of violence since police shot dead a teenager on Saturday.

"Participation in the strike is total, the country has come to a standstill," said Stathis Anestis, spokesman for the GSEE private sector union federation.

On Tuesday, scores of youths clashed with police near where the funeral was held of 15-year-old Alexandros Grigoropoulos, whose killing ignited anger over government scandals, unemployment and high poverty levels, worsened by the global economic slump.

I heard on the radio that the strike date was set before the rioting, which is logical; but most of the media don't seem interested in this distinction.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 04:05:09 AM EST
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BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Ukraine coalition set to reform

The pro-Western coalition government in Ukraine which collapsed in September amid disagreements has been reformed, says the speaker of parliament.

Fresh elections had been expected following months of deadlock between President Viktor Yushchenko and Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko.

But supporters of the two leaders have now agreed to work together in a new coalition joined by a smaller party.

The dispute had paralysed Ukraine as it faces a crippling financial crisis.

The formation of the new coalition was announced by the head of the smaller party, Volodymyr Lytvyn, immediately after he was re-elected as parliament's speaker.

He said a formal agreement was expected to be signed within days.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 04:05:34 PM EST
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A little more than a year ago, half an hour's drive from my home, there was a tragic school shooting.

It is the morning of Wednesday November 7th, 2007. The time is precisely 11:42.
      The door to the boys' WC opens in the downstairs hall of the Jokela School Centre, a complex housing a comprehensive school and an upper level secondary school.
      Out into the corridor steps a young man, dressed in a leather jacket. In his hand is a pistol.
      Without a word, he points the gun at an upper secondary school pupil standing nearby, and he fires off several shots. Then he retreats back into the toilets.
      A few moments later he comes out again. Now he shoots a woman who has come to the aid of the stricken pupil.
      Both victims die at the scene, and before very long seven others will be dead.

An important article appeared recently in the Helsingin Sanomat daily that has now been translated into English.

The writer pieces together the evidence of the young perpetrator, Pekka-Eric Auvinen's, online communications. For a while, he is empowered to take on a different personality from his reality of a rather short, lonely bullied boy. It's a complex story and it is all too hard to imagine what the twists and turns of reality mixing with the virtual are doing to the hormonally activated mind.

But it is worth a read because it is real, and it is tragic - for all involved.


You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 05:09:06 PM EST
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Sorry, no time to edit Google translation.

Le Figaro - France : La France dit non au fichage ethnique Le Figaro - France: France says no to ethnic filing
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Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 07:21:53 PM EST
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Though she doesn't seem to care about that too much.

Chloé Mortaud : «Je ne veux pas être la miss du métissage» - Loisirs et Spectacles - 08/12/2008 - leParisien.fr Chloé Mortaud: "I don't want to be the Miss of mixed race" - Leisure and Entertainment - 08/12/2008 - leParisien.fr
LORS de son voyage d'intégration en Thaïlande avec ses trente-cinq concurrentes, la presse la surnommait « miss Obama ». Chloé Mortaud ne veut pourtant pas devenir un symbole. Enfin... pas tout de suite. Elue sous les huées de ses rivales en coulisse, qui la jugent arrogante et imbue d'elle-même, miss Albigeois-Midi-Pyrénées n'en a pas moins convaincu téléspectateurs comme jury.During her gala trip to Thailand with her thirty-five competitors, the press dubbed her "Miss Obama". Chloé Mortaud does not want to become a symbol. At least... not immediately. Elected despite behind-the-scebes jeers from her rivals, who considered her arrogant and full of herself, Miss Albigeois-Midi-Pyrénées nonetheless convinced the jury watching on television.
Ce dernier, comptant pour 50 % des voix, l'aurait désignée à une quasi-unanimité. Propulsant cette Franco-Américaine de 19 ans sous des feux médiatiques qui ne l'émeuvent pas le moins du monde.The latter selected her with 50% of the votes, a virtual unanimity, propelling the Franco-American 19-year old under the lights of the media which don't bother her in the least.
Vous avez l'air dans votre élément, alors que beaucoup de miss sont « sous le choc » les premières heures...You look to be right at home, while many of the other contestants are "in shock" in the immediate aftermath...
Miss France 2009. Depuis ma rencontre avec les autres candidates, je me crée ma petite bulle de protection. Je me dis qu'il y a pire que ce qui m'arrive. <...> Miss France 2009 . Since my meeting with the other candidates, I've been creating my little bubble of protection. I tell myself there are worse things than this. <...>
Vous ne souhaitez pas mettre en avant votre métissage, pourquoi ? You do not want to highlight your mixed racial heritage, why?
Ça se voit déjà que je suis métisse, je ne veux pas jouer là-dessus. Peut-être un jour, mais pas pour l'instant.It's obvious that I am of mixed race, I don't want to play that up. Maybe some day, but not at the moment
On parle déjà d'un « effet Obama » quant à votre élection, qu'en pensez-vous ?People are already talking about an "Obama effect" in connection to your election. What do you think?
Je n'étais pas au courant ! C'est marrant...I hadn't heard about that! That's funny.
Vous avez la double nationalité, française et américaine, cela va peser dans votre année de règne ?You have dual citizenship, French and American, will that be important in your year of reign?
Non. C'est juste mon histoire personnelle. Je veux bien représenter la France, c'est tout.No. It's just my personal history. I just want to represent France well, that's all.
C'est quand même un joli symbole...It's still a nice symbol...
Bien sûr. On est bientôt en 2009, ce vote des Français représente bien ce qui se passe dans le monde.Of course. It's almost 2009, this vote represents well what is happening in the world.
Quels engagements vont vous tenir à coeur ?

Je veux soutenir miss Berry-Val de Loire dans sa lutte contre le cancer. Et aussi aider les enfants qui ont besoin d'appui, de compagnie. Qu'ils soient malades ou qu'ils connaissent des difficultés familiales...

What commitments will you take to heart?

I want to support Miss Berry-Val de Loire in her fight against cancer. And also help children who need support, companionship.  Whether they are sick or are experiencing family difficulties.



Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 08:05:37 PM EST
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The Associated Press: Miss France wants to advertise French diversity
... "I want to go to people and explain to them that fear of the other is unfounded," she told The Associated Press the day after being crowned. "I want to incarnate ... today's French diversity" at international beauty pageants. <...>

Mortaud, a dual French-American citizen, said her mother was born in Mississippi but grew up in California, and her father's heritage is ethnic French "as far back as we could trace the family tree."

Mortaud said she and her brother were the only children of mixed ethnic background in the small town where they grew up in the French Pyrenees, where she said "everyone knows each other and respects each other."

Mortaud, 19, is a student in international business in the southern city of Toulouse, and speaks Chinese.

I believe in this article we have, regrettably, a clear-cut case of the "US (& UK?) is superior than France" bias in the English language press that Jérôme often rails about.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 08:12:59 PM EST
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Oh yes, and she's a beauty queen.



Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 03:27:49 AM EST
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The Associated Press: Miss France wants to advertise French diversity
a growing chorus of French public figures breaking traditions by speaking openly about race.

There is an entire false narrative in that phrase, that twists the French attitude completely. One gets the picture of a country that hushes up racial questions, censors them practically, that this has been going on for a long time ("traditions"), and that brave new voices are speaking out etc. (Coincidentally half-American in this case, sound the trumpets!).

France doesn't use racial or ethnic categories in ID papers or in the Census. It's a country that attempts to build a single national community rather than an agglomeration of racial, ethnic, religious, cultural communities. That may or may not be misguided; it does lead to a lack of statistics, at the very least, and it doesn't eradicate racism (any more than multiculturalism does).

But the notion that a pall of silence on race hangs over the country is pure nonsense. Race and racism are subjects of public dicussion and there are a range of anti-racist movements (again, how successful they are is another matter). And I wouldn't for a moment wish to slight Miss France (reigning Miss of this region and a student at Toulouse! :-)), but she's far from the first person of mixed ancestry to win votes in a popular contest: the annual Most Popular French Person election (FWIW) features in first place mixed-ancestry icon Yannick Noah, former tennis player and now musician, whose father is black African (Cameroon) and whose mother white French (Brittany).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 03:35:02 AM EST
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yeah it's funny the cog-diss people have about racism, bleached pearly white by 'success'.

tiger woods is black?

the poor coloured...that can be another story...

the line that tweaked me in the piece was the one about how where she grew up, everyone respected one another.

that's the secret, isn't it, training your vision to snag on positive things?

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 04:44:22 AM EST
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Tiger Woods is so not black.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 08:17:36 AM EST
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there you go!

QED

:)

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 05:54:59 PM EST
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Seconded. Only in race-obsessed America - recently attacked by a black woman's breast on national television - could an article on Miss France focus first and foremost on the recipient's ethnicity; oh, and she's American (USA! USA!), and open in the first paragraphs on such nonsense as a supposed "tradition" of not "speaking openly about race".
This is friggin' ridiculous. Talk about projecting your own fears and prejudices onto others...

The election took place last Saturday and I've seen various snippets on various media about her; it's only 2 days ago that I saw a mention "en passant" of her American mother (from Mississippi, it said) -- I initially thought her family might be from the Caribbeans or La Réunion, just like Valérie Bègue, last year's Miss France. That's how important it is here.

Yep, Miss France 2009 is of mixed races, just like her predecessor, and no one gives a flying one [Yawn].

In some place, West from here, they even have a president of mixed races. Imagine that.

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 03:54:06 PM EST
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Security Mission to Kosovo Faces Local Reluctance  | Wall Street Journal:

... the BND has been critical of the Kosovo government, producing a 2005 report to the German government that accused Kosovo's leaders of links to organized crime and extremism. That has led to speculation in German political circles and in the media that the agents were arrested in revenge for the report.

In the BND report, a copy of which was reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, Kosovo Prime Minister Hashim Thaci is linked to paramilitary groups, cigarette smugglers, extortion rackets and drug dealers. The report details connections among the ruling elite to Islamist militants who helped Kosovars, who are mostly Muslims, to fight in a guerrilla war against Serbian forces.

Similar allegations have been circulated by Serbia. But the charges have more credibility coming from Germany, which took a lead in securing international recognition for Kosovo's independence and is Kosovo's second-largest foreign-aid donor, behind the U.S.

Kosovo officials say the allegations against Mr. Thaci in the report and any links between the report and the BND agents' expulsion are unfounded. "These charges are pure speculation and the issues are not linked," says Memli Krasniqi, the prime minister's spokesman. "The government's position was that [the bombing] is an issue that shouldn't be politicized and should be investigated by the legal authorities. We stayed completely out of it."



Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 12:29:23 AM EST
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cryptogon.com

Untested GM Rice Found in Food :.

Traces of genetically modified rice from China have been found in products on sale in the UK, green groups claimed today.

Three packets of noodles bought from two stores tested positive for genetically modified content, Friends of the Earth and Greenpeace said.

The campaign groups warn that experimental GM rice has not been cleared for human consumption and could spark allergic reactions.

Researchers found traces of insect-resistant rice in two brands of vermicelli and one packet of rice sticks brought from two stores in London's Chinatown.

They were tested at an unnamed laboratory in Germany, where they showed positive for GM content, along with other rice products bought in France and Germany.

The green groups blame the contamination on Chinese field trials of GM crops not currently approved for commercial growing.

fucking guinea pigs for Big Industry, the lot of us...

time to go read clusterfuck nation to cheer me up!

thinks of vermicelli down in larder...

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 04:47:24 AM EST
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SPECIAL FOCUS Crisis
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:03:59 PM EST
A government-run auto industry? | csmonitor.com

Washington - The proposed $15 billion rescue plan that drew lawmakers back to Capitol Hill this week gives Washington a strong hand in shaping the future of the US auto industry.

In sharp contrast to the relatively lax terms of the recent $700 billion bailout for the financial services industry, the auto rescue plan sets up a level of government oversight and control not seen since World War II.

The draft plan Democratic leaders sent to the White House this week sets up a two-stage process loosely tied to the timetable of the outgoing and incoming presidential administrations.

It allows the Bush administration to launch the rescue effort, but leaves key decisions about the scale and scope of the overhaul to the incoming Obama administration.

While the plan allows cash to begin flowing to struggling auto companies as early as next week, a long-term restructuring, including any sacrifices to be made by various stakeholders, is put off until March 31.

At the heart of the overhaul is a controlling role for a presidential appointee, quickly dubbed "car czar." This position - which is not expected to require Senate confirmation - is tasked with authorizing bridge loans and setting benchmarks for measuring progress.

In exchange for bridge loans, the auto industry would give government an ownership stake, or warrants for company stock, and control over the terms of retrenchment.

In a bid to deflect criticism that automakers will keep coming back for new loans, Democratic leaders negotiating the plan with the White House say Congress will insist the industry demonstrate accountability and viability.

"Unless the restructuring that is called for in this legislation and the goal of viability is achieved by March 31, there is no justification for spending more taxpayer dollars," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in a briefing announcing the deal on Monday. Votes in the House and Senate are expected by the end of the week.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:08:28 PM EST
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dubbed "car czar."

Do we have to nickname ever position "(Something) Czar"?  Given the Villagers fearmongering with regard to all things Russian, I find it really weird.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 05:09:59 PM EST
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I've always wondered what is up with that spelling too.  Why would you transliterate something into a language (English) using a combination of letters (cz) that does not normally exist in either the original language or language of translation?  Seriously, what is up with that?


Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 05:21:09 PM EST
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I'd make a joke about being an American, and thus a natural expert on foreign languages and all that, but I'm afraid everything you said was way over my head.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 05:25:22 PM EST
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This 'cz' comes from Polish, doesn't it?


Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 05:28:11 PM EST
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Accd. to the OED:

The spelling with cz- is against the usage of all Slavonic languages; the word was so spelt by Herberstein, Rerum Moscovit. Commentarii 1549, the chief early source of knowledge as to Russia in Western Europe, whence it passed into the Western Languages generally; in some of these it is now old-fashioned; the usual Ger. form is now zar; French adopted tsar during the 19th c. This also became frequent in English towards the end of that century, having been adopted by the Times newspaper as the most suitable English spelling.]

No, I guess it was a Latin transliteration that snuck into English.

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 05:34:40 PM EST
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Wikipedia: Polish pronunciation guide
cz    English cherry, rich. Hard.
Hmm.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 05:49:48 PM EST
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Char?  No, that's not it.  Tsar.  It's tsar.

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 05:54:47 PM EST
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Right, that's what I realised.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 05:56:27 PM EST
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I think in comes from Latin, not through transliteration but etymology ; Tsar comes from Caesar, so there might have been an attempt to average between pronunciation and etymology, resulting in Czar.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 05:08:21 AM EST
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English orthography has never been cleaned up (unlike e.g. German), so a lot of our spelling reflects the way the language was spoken x hundred years ago. (I used to know someone whose hobby was recreating the pronunciation of Shakespearean English on the basis of the orthography, for example by assuming that the sonnets were supposed to rhyme).

I suspect "czar" was a phonetically accurate transliteration when it entered the language.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 03:35:48 AM EST
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The bailout that must-not-be-name Chapter 11 is in search of a popular "theme," it seems. Still, that's what "a level of government oversight and control not seen since World War II" amounts to (Dodd and Shelby agree, right now, on PBS Newshour: "We're not capable of being a bankruptcy court.") conservator à la mode Lockhart rather than confiscator à la mode Truman.

Speaking of WWII: After all the finger-wagging, the draft bill ( pdf), leaked to the Detroit Free Press, applies fuel efficiency and "advanced" technology conditions of the "loan" to those outlined by Subtitle B (Advanced Battery Loan Guarantee Program) 135, 136 ("seed funding") of the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. It appears all but $5M of that appropriation ($25B) remaining (How much has been awarded since Jan. 2008 anyway??) will fund the loan. Repayment of the loan subordinates all named "interested parties" (Sec. 6).

(i) employees and retirees of the eligible automobile manufacturer; (ii) trade unions; (iii) creditors; (iv) suppliers; (v) automobile dealers; and (vi) shareholders.

Some enterprising dudes may argue that the following stipulation supercedes primacy of CA state regulatory standards, given by the Clean Air Act( (CAA), Title II.  Did you ever wonder why CA has been so fashion forward on environmental issues? Sec. 209 establishes CA model plaintiff in all class action challenging EPA.

STATE STANDARDS

Sec. 209. (a) No State or any political subdivision thereof shall adopt or attempt to enforce any standard relating to the control of emissions from new motor vehicles or new motor vehicle engines subject to this part. No State shall require certification, inspection, or any other approval relating to the control of emissions from any new motor vehicle or new motor vehicle engine as condition precedent to the initial retail sale, titling (if any), or registration of such motor vehicle, motor vehicle engine, or equipment.
(b)(1) The Administrator shall, after notice and opportunity for public hearing, waive application of this section to any State which has adopted standards (other than crankcase emission standards) for the control of emissions from new motor vehicles or new motor vehicle engines prior to March 30, 1966, if the State determines that the State standards will be, in the aggregate, at least as protective of public health and welfare as applicable Federal standards. ...

Others may argue that the draft language introduces undue burdens to Big 3 compliance, nation-wide. (An old saw.) Note this curious turn of the screw: Sect. 10

(g) WITHDRAWAL FROM CERTAIN ACTIONS -- The terms of any financial assistance under this Act shall prohibit the eligible automobile manufacturer from participating in, pursuing, funding, or supporting in any way, any legal challenge (existing or contemplated) to State laws concerning greehouse gas emission standards.

That item didn't make Gwen Ifil's Three Serious Questions interview. She did revive two "bailout" pain-points, exec compensation limits and taxpayer "preferred shares," for what effect I couldn't say.

Uh. Sec. 11 provides TARP funds to the "President's designee" to purchase of non-voting common stock (maximum value, 20% of outstanding loan in the event of default on or before maturity 7 years hence). And one might suppose that "Car Czar" limitations on executive compensation and perqs signals relief from the opprobrium of previous "President's designees." One would be incorrect: Congress assigns the Comptroller General (GAO) carte blanche to audit all the books, including Car Czar 15-day reports, every 60 days (quarterly).

Neither Dodd, Shelby, or Ifil mentioned Sec. 13, but it is the highlight of The Plan.

(a) IN GENERAL -- Each eligible automobile manufacturer which receives financial assistance under this Act shall conduct an analysis of potential uses of any excess production capacity (especially those of former sport utility vehicle producers) to make vehicles for sale to public transit agencies, including --

(1) the current and projected demand for bus and rail cars by American transit agencies;
(2) the potential growth for both sales and supplies to such agencies in the short, medium, and long term;
(3) a description of existing "Buy America" provisions, and data provided by the Federal Transit Administration regarding the use or request of waivers from such provisions ...

O happy day.  CAA Sec. 219 URBAN BUS STANDARDS  to the rescue.

(a) STANDARDS FOR MODEL YEARS AFTER 1993 -- No later than January 1, 1992, the Administrator shall promulgate regulations under section 202(a) applicable to urban buses for the model year 1994 and thereafter. Such standards shall be base on the best technology that can reasonably be anticipated to be available at the time such measures are to be implemented, taking costs, safety, energy, lead time, and other relevant factors into account. ...

It's difficult to imagine that this fellow Paul Murphy could have anticipated such pragmatism "Plan C" in Congress. Yet he did. And this provision will indeed cramp Better Place growth assumptions in the US beyond the borders of the Bay.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 07:37:21 PM EST
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MarketTrustee:
(a) IN GENERAL -- Each eligible automobile manufacturer which receives financial assistance under this Act shall conduct an analysis of potential uses of any excess production capacity (especially those of former sport utility vehicle producers) to make vehicles for sale to public transit agencies, including --

I don't see this provision having much practical effect. Given that even a Hummer is much smaller than a bus, assembly plants would have to be extensively retooled, which is serious money.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 04:10:51 AM EST
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dvx:
which is serious money.

and 25 billion is...?

set up one good line, and it would help finance the next one, little bites...

oh, and don't give authority to anyone named 'waggoner', it has too much retro built right in.

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 04:52:58 AM EST
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Well, I can see a refitting a single plant costing easily a tenth of that, when all is said and done (plus what the suppliers need to spend), and it would take at least 2-3 years go bring it on line.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 06:43:50 AM EST
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it would take at least 2-3 years go bring it on line

How do you know this? Murphy's observations, along with those of every WWII historians, asserts that given adequate financial incentives (or coercion) management will ramp from zero P&E, labor skill capacity to ~100% in less than two years. Japanese tech demonstration at Pearl Harbor scared the beejeebus out of America's commanders. Here's one excerpt from The New Dealers' War.

In a 1939 article, military commentatot Fletcher Pratt dismissed Japanese warships as top-heavy and poorly built. [Nevermind the Allied navies, later "cluster bombing"] Pratt also declared that the Japanese "can neither make good airplanes nor fly them well." He claimed Japanese stupidity made them good infantry because obedience was more important than intelligence in ground battles [rationale for racist deployment of GI thru Vietnam]. But alone in a plane a Japanese pilot was hopeless, and the planes were no good in the first place. Within six months of Pratt's pronouncements, the Japanese fielded the world's most advanced fighter plane, the Zero, against the Chinese. Its existence went unnotice by the smug American and British military. ...

At Pearl Harbor, the Americans were totally amazed, not only by the accuracy of Japanese bombers, but the aerial torpedoes that inflicted fearful damage on the anchored battleships. ... Three days later, when Japanese fighter planes and bombers annihilated most of the [antique] American air force on the ground in the Philipines, an agitated General Douglas MacArthur swore they must have acquired Germans or some other white mercenaries to fly their planes. This arrogant mindset explains why FDR expected to "get hit but not hurt" wherever the Japanese attacked --including Pearl Harbor.

Here is another on creation of the War Production Board out of political nepotism.

In the second week in January 1942 [6 months later], Eleanor Roosevelt made a speech to a meeting of 4H Club directors. She told them how she had gone to see Mr [William] Knudsen and urged him to create retraining programs so people would not lose jobs when the auto industry shifted to defense production. The First Lady did not mention that Knudsen had opposed this shift. ...

Then, toward the end of January, an associate came into Knudsen's office and slid a bulletin from one of the wire services across his huge glass-topped desk. It announced that OPM had been abolished by presidential order and Donald Nelson was now head of a new organization, the War Production Board, which would have total authority over all aspects of the war effort. ...

A lot of men would have gone back to Detroit and denounced Franklin D. Roosevelt and his wife. But Bill Knudsen was made of different stuff. "The president --he's my boss," he said. "He is the commander in chief. I do whatever he wants me to do."

How long it takes a firm to get in line or production online is 90% psyche.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 11:03:53 AM EST
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work it 24/7! what else are the workers going to have to do, if they don't want to be laid off?

where there's a will there's a way...

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 06:05:22 PM EST
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This language is the mechanism that applies manufacturers' productivity during WWII to requirements of WWIII, "War on Carbon," rhetorically and practicably.

conduct an analysis of potential uses of any excess production capacity (especially those of former sport utility vehicle producers)

In other words, this one deliverable --a business case for retooling supply and assembly specifically for bus and rail cars-- predicates any additional "lending" to Big 3 (any time in 2009) and arguably increasing federal DOT funding commitments to get light rail off the drawing boards. The muni market is dead to global investors, you know, and will play dead until Obama's admin reveals its $1 trillion master plan.

Ironically, someone in Congress is responding to the advice of "We" on management of integral stocks to migrate from single passenger ownership and transportation. Murphy is not the first writer to realized improving fuel efficiency is insufficient to regulate GHG emissions of "mobility operators." Vehicle volume must decline over all.

Congress is pushing Big 3 out of the consumer market in which they clearly are "uncompetitive" despite serial assaults on labor benefits. I'd like to believe that. My county and DC are slowly replacing ICE with HEV buses.

Consumer tax incentives have proved as counter productive as Big 3 loyalty to E8 lobbyists. No automaker, foreign or domestic, will escape demand destruction of capacity --which must be fulfilled to keep people employed. Foreign EV/HEV makers are establishing commercial "alliances" with public and private utilities (IOUs) in the US, notably TVA. And you will note the bulk of H.R. 6 (as EPAct of 2005) addresses federal and state spending on fleet and P&E conversions to support prices and tech standards. Such is the reality of "tariff feeding," personal tax averse policies throughout the OECD. Such state guarantees are the "serious money" that sustain the illusion of free market solutions.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 10:11:22 AM EST
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MarketTrustee:
Such state guarantees are the "serious money" that sustain the illusion of free market solutions.

that is so true, and needs repeating ad infinitum.

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 06:01:09 PM EST
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Lawmakers: Fannie Mae CEO made poor choices - MarketWatch
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - Mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made irresponsible investments in recent years that cost taxpayers billions of dollars, said House Oversight Committee chairman Henry Waxman on Tuesday citing internal documents. "Their own risk managers raised warning after warning about the dangers of investing heavily in the sub-prime and alternative mortgage market," Waxman said at an oversight hearing on the two mortgage giants. Waxman and other lawmakers expressed concerns about how Fannie Mae continued to buy high risk sub-prime Alt-A loans even as concerns about the sector grew. A group of GOP lawmakers raised their own concerns about the compensation, bonuses and pension received by the executives
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:12:54 PM EST
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Bloomberg.com: Worldwide

Dec. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Former Fannie Mae Chief Executive Officer Franklin Raines faulted regulators and lawmakers for encouraging the mortgage-finance company and its competitor Freddie Mac to expand into riskier loans with limited oversight.

"It is remarkable that during the period that Fannie Mae substantially increased its exposure to credit risk its regulator made no visible effort to enforce any limits," said Raines, 59, who was ousted in 2004 and accused by investigators of accounting manipulation. Raines commented in testimony today to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee in Washington.

Raines, his successor Daniel Mudd, and former Freddie Mac CEOs Richard Syron and Leland Brendsel told the committee that it was a struggle to meet the companies' dual mandates as profit- making, shareholder-owned corporations that were also required to promote affordable housing, according to the written testimony. Congress pressured the companies to finance more and lower-income borrowers while the regulator did little or nothing to curb their increasing exposure to riskier mortgages, the executives said.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:13:45 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Business | US mortgage boss denies any blame

US mortgage giant Fannie Mae did not cause the crisis in the American housing market, its former boss has told a key Congressional committee.

By the time Fannie Mae had started its riskier loan investments in 2005, "the roots of the present crisis had long taken hold," said Franklin Raines.

Mr Raines' comments came in written testimony to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

Fannie Mae and sister firm Freddie Mac had to be bailed out in September.

They were rescued by the government in a move that could cost the US taxpayer $200bn (£137bn).



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 04:02:02 PM EST
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FT.com / Brussels - Barroso urges Europe to join forces with Obama

The European Union and the incoming administration of Barack Obama, the US president-elect, should join forces next year and forge a common response to the world economic downturn, José Manuel Barroso, the European Commission president, said on Tuesday.

Speaking two days before a summit of EU leaders that will attempt to strike deals on tackling climate change and overcoming Europe's recession, Mr Barroso said: "If we Europeans reach agreement at the summit, why not have a joint programme with the Americans?

"That would be a good objective. Why not, after the new administration comes in, articulate a common transatlantic response to the economic crisis that could also be the basis for a global response to the crisis?"

Mr Barroso said the prospects for a joint US-European response looked promising, because the content and emphasis of Mr Obama's economic policies appeared to be close to those proposed in Europe, particularly as regards the need for a targeted fiscal stimulus, energy efficiency, "green jobs" and innovation.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:26:43 PM EST
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Sinking Economy: Merkel Urged to Act Before It's Too Late - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

Initially, the message from Merkel and Steinbrück was that the initial stimulus package, approved in early November, was all that was needed. The package was billed as being worth €32 billion, but a closer look revealed that the new measures included in the package were worth just €5 billion a year.

Instead, they gave speeches and interviews in which they declared anyone who called for stronger economic stimulus programs to be reckless, if not downright insane. "The fact that all lemmings have chosen the same path doesn't automatically mean that it's the right path," Steinbrück said in a derogatory reference to his colleagues elsewhere in Europe.

Join the Lemmings

Now, more than a week later, Steinbrück and Merkel sense that they will be unable to remain contrarians, even if they have so far refrained from making a public U-turn. They sense that they too will have to join the lemmings.

The consequences of Germany's special approach to the economic crisis have already made themselves felt. On Monday, British Prime Gordon Brown, French President Nicolas Sarkozy and European Commission President José Manuel Barroso met in London to prepare for the European Union summit later this week. And they didn't invite Merkel.

In the past, it would have been Germany and France getting together before an important summit in an effort to shape its outcome. Now, Berlin's presence at such important preliminary talks is apparently no longer desired. "Madame Non," as Merkel is referred to derisively in EU circles, isn't welcome anymore.

In Brussels these days, EU diplomats -- whether from Britain, France or elsewhere -- simply shrug their shoulders about the Germans, if not worse. Has the 2009 general election campaign already started, people in Brussels are asking themselves? "The Germans," says a high-ranking German representative in Brussels, "are moving at the speed of light from the center of activity to the margins." When it comes to generating ideas, says the diplomat, the Germans have been "a total failure" so far.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:34:22 PM EST
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I cannot judge the relative merits of the european concensus vs the german one, but I do remember that it was the unchallenged received wisdom of the "brightest guys in the room" that got us into this messs in the first place.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 05:34:48 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Business | Japan sinks deeper into recession

Japan has sunk deeper into recession in the three months to September than had been expected, new figures indicate.

The economy, the second largest in the world after the US, shrank by 0.5%, for an annualised rate of 1.8%, significantly greater than expected.

Japanese firms are closing factories and laying off staff in the face of declining demand and a rising yen.

Prime Minister Taro Aso has promised public spending to soften the impact of the recession.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 04:02:46 PM EST
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As Markets Waver, Treasury Yield Turns Negative - NYTimes.com

In the market equivalent of shoveling cash under the mattress, hordes of buyers were so eager on Tuesday to park money in the world's safest investment, United States government debt, that they agreed to accept a zero percent rate of return.

The news sent a sobering signal: in these troubled economic times, when people have lost vast amounts on stocks, bonds and real estate, making an investment that offers security but no gain is tantamount to coming out ahead. This extremely cautious approach reflects concerns that a global recession could deepen next year, and continue to jeopardize all types of investments.

While this will lower the cost of borrowing for the United States government, economists worry that a widespread hunkering-down could have broader implications that could slow an economic recovery. If investors remain reluctant to put money into stocks and corporate bonds, that could choke off funds that businesses need to keep financing their day-to-day operations.

Investors accepted the zero percent rate in the government's auction Tuesday of $30 billion worth of short-term securities that mature in four weeks. Demand was so great even for no return that the government could have sold four times as much.

In addition, for a brief moment, investors were willing to take a small loss for holding another ultra-safe security, the already-issued three-month Treasury bill.

Paging Drew... your tag is needed.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 04:00:11 AM EST
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The Automatic Earth


Ilargi: Last month I started warning of millions of lay-offs to come in the US economy. Since then, we've seen a November job loss of 533.000, as well as predictions of pink slip totals of a million and more every single month in 2009. The main media for now restrict most of their job loss reporting to the financial sector, and the US in particular. At least, I have yet to see a claim that Europe will be hit by millions of newly employed. Still, looking around the financial world today I can't escape the feeling that it will all get much worse than even I thought, and that Europe can't escape a fate much worse than it thinks is in store.

The Bank for International Settlements (BIS) issued a report on global lending and bond issuance that says both are down 70-80%, with bonds in Euros dropping 94%. This means companies can't borrow from banks, nor can they expect to raise capital in the bond markets. The result should be obvious: tons of companies, from small to large, will inevitably have to declare bankruptcy. This is true in the US, in Europe, in Japan, and the bankruptcy and job loss wave will spread from there to the rest of the planet, in a self-reinforcing manner, feeding off itself.

And I may be naive, but I would truly expect governments to prepare for this wave. However, I see no such action anywhere. Which I think will have very dire consequences, with millions of people on both sides of the Atlantic, and in markets worldwide, with no chance of finding work, and no hope of receiving government -financial- support: there'll be too many of them. All this will put enormous pressure on individual countries and their political systems.

Moody's predicts corporate -bond- defaults to rise almost 4-fold in the US, and 10-fold in European markets. These are companies that will have to lay off people simply because they have no way of paying for inventory. This starts to look like the 1930's, when the labor was there, and so were the resources, but the financial markets made it impossible for both to come together.


Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 05:47:35 AM EST
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Slow-release heart attack material.  

If that doesn't get you, the ads on the left, on the right and on the bottom will.  This person, who ´foresees´ the final 'economic rapture', has no problem advertising the forex market?  Rattle is right.  


Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 07:03:17 PM EST
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WORLD
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:04:21 PM EST
MEDIA-INDIA/PAKISTAN: Post-Mumbai Journos Struggle Against Hostilities
KARACHI, Dec 9 (IPS) - Pakistani and Indian journalists and columnists, who forged personal relationships over the past two decades during countless joint media consultations and seminars, are struggling to overcome hostilities between their countries since the Mumbai carnage.

These voices are all but drowned in the din emanating from the blame and counter-blame rhetoric on either side, with India's accusations of Pakistani involvement in the attacks being met defensively by many Pakistanis even as evidence about Pakistani links to the attacks grows.

Close to 200 people died after a ten-man squad, armed with assualt rifles, grenades and explosives, rampaged through the Indian port city of Mumbai before barricading themselves inside two luxury hotels to hold off commandos for 60 hours from Nov. 26-28.

The one captured gunman's alleged links to a banned terrorist outfit in Pakistan had barely begun to emerge when belligerent rhetoric from the Indian media drew an indignant response from Pakistanis who have since then been picking holes in the Indian arguments.

Has the media hype contributed to rising tensions between the nuclear-armed states -- or are hostilities between the countries contributing to tensions between their media?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:17:17 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | India police 'name Mumbai gunmen'

Indian authorities have released the names or aliases of the nine suspected militants killed during last month's attacks in the city of Mumbai (Bombay).

Photographs of eight of the men were released - the body of the ninth was said to have been too badly burned.

Police said all were from Pakistan. They did not say how this was known but one gunman, named as Azam Amir Qasab, survived and has been interrogated.

The attacks began on 26 November and left at least 170 people dead.

India has blamed Pakistani-based militants Lashkar-e-Taiba for the attacks.

Earlier Pakistan said it had arrested two leading militants but that it would not hand them over to India.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 04:07:56 PM EST
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India's determined to go all 9/11, aren't they?

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 03:48:45 AM EST
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given what I understand about the state of India, getting all huffy about Pakistan is just a convenient distrction.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 05:51:17 AM EST
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Police: Militant group snuck across Indian borders | AP
An Indian militant based in Nepal who helped Pakistani gunmen cross India's porous borders to stage attacks is being brought to Mumbai for questioning in the recent Mumbai siege, police officials said Wednesday.

Sabauddin Ahmed was arrested in February with another militant who police say had scouted Mumbai targets a year before last month's attacks, they said.

Both men are Indians -- a blow to officials who have blamed Pakistan-based militants entirely for the three-day siege, which left 171 people dead and paralyzed large parts of India's financial capital.



Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 08:25:38 AM EST
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DEVELOPMENT: 40 Million More Go Hungry
ROME, Dec 9 (IPS) - Rising prices have plunged an additional 40 million people below the hunger threshold this year, a new FAO report says.

The number of undernourished people worldwide has raised to 963 million, compared to 923 million in 2007, says the annual report on world food insecurity released Tuesday by the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO).

The number of undernourished people represents an increase of more than 80 million since the 1990-92 base period. And yet more are likely to be tipped into hunger and poverty as a consequence of the financial crisis, the report says.

A sharp increase in food prices is responsible for reversing the previously positive trend towards reducing by half the proportion of people suffering from hunger worldwide by 2015, according to the Rome-based food agency. "As a result of rising food prices that started in 2006, 75 million people were pushed into chronic hunger," FAO director-general Jacques Diouf told a news conference. "This trend has continued, dragging an additional 40 million into hunger this year."

The price of major cereals has fallen by more than 50 percent from the peak recorded in June, but still remains high compared to previous years. "The decline in international food prices should not detract attention from the need to increase agricultural productivity," Diouf said. "Un-replenished food stocks, volatility of food prices, and the evolving financial and economic crisis continue to threaten food security, and food prices in local markets are still at unprecedented levels."
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:19:27 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | World | Africa | Zimbabwe MDC adviser 'kidnapped'

Zimbabwe's opposition MDC says an adviser to party leader Morgan Tsvangirai has been abducted in Harare.

Eyewitnesses say MDC adviser Gandhi Mudzingwa was forced by nine gunmen into a car which then drove to the city centre on Monday afternoon.

It would bring to 18 the number of MDC activists and rights campaigners who have vanished in the past six weeks.

Meanwhile, Zimbabwe's president accused the West of plotting an invasion amid a deadly cholera outbreak.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 04:00:06 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | World | Africa | Ruling party's man leads in Ghana

The candidate of Ghana's ruling New Patriotic Party (NPP), Nana Akufo-Addo, is narrowly ahead in the ongoing count from Sunday's presidential election.

He holds a slender lead over opposition National Democratic Congress (NDC) contender John Atta Mills.

But with most precincts counted it is not yet clear if either has over the 50% of votes needed to avoid a run-off.

Our correspondent says results are being disputed, raising the risk of a peaceful poll turning acrimonious.

The NDC has accused the governing party of plotting to rig the election, with the support of the military.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 04:00:39 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | World | Americas | State governor held in US probe

Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich has been arrested, accused of trying to trade the Senate seat left vacant by US President-elect Barack Obama.

Mr Blagojevich, as governor, has sole authority to select a successor to Mr Obama as junior Illinois senator.

FBI investigators said telephone intercepts showed he was trying to sell or trade the seat for personal benefit.

There has been no official word from Mr Blagojevich's office, although he has denied previous corruption allegations.

Mr Blagojevich has since been released on bail, the Associated Press news agency reports.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 04:01:22 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Hawks dominate Likud party vote

Israel's right-of-centre Likud party has elected a list of candidates dominated by hardliners for next February's general election.

Polls show that if a vote were held now, Likud would defeat the governing Kadima Party.

Monday's ballot was marred by a low turnout and technical problems which meant the voting was extended.

About 48,500 people voted using a new computerised system, representing just over 49% of the Likud membership.



Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 04:06:42 PM EST
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Feiglin, his cronies are fascists by any definition | Ha'aretz | 10.12.2008
In describing Adolf Hitler, Feiglin is quoted to have told her, "Hitler was an unparalleled military genius. Nazism promoted Germany from a low to a fantastic physical and ideological status. The ragged, trashy youth body turned into a neat and orderly part of society and Germany received an exemplary regime, a proper justice system and public order. Hitler savored good music. He would paint. This was no bunch of thugs. They merely used thugs and homosexuals.
Any chance of Germany arresting him if he happens to visit?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 02:31:22 AM EST
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Unfortunately, I think he's still just inside the line: he is neither expressly advocating national socialism, nor inciting hatred, nor denying the Holocaust.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 03:52:42 AM EST
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Sounds like the equivalent of praising Mussolini by saying he made the trains run on time. An odd person for a Likudnik to praise, but then again, good taste isn't a prerequisite for likud.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 05:54:25 AM EST
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THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:04:41 PM EST
Carbon trade in U.N. climate spotlight | Reuters

POZNAN, Poland (Reuters) - Tropical forests and coal plants may get money to curb greenhouse gases under a United Nations-led carbon market from 2013 if climate negotiators meeting in Poland can defuse criticism of the present scheme.

Senior officials from about 190 countries have been meeting in the western Polish city of Poznan for talks, which began on December 1 and will end on Friday, to push for agreement on a new climate treaty, including rules for an expanded carbon offset market, by the end of next year.

The U.N.-led carbon offsetting scheme allows developed countries to lay off their greenhouse gas emissions and meet climate targets by funding cuts in developing nations.

Development groups and delegates at the climate talks criticized the scheme for helping Africa too little, producing too few emissions cuts, and, in some cases, claiming to avoid emissions that would not have happened anyway.

Carbon markets also face plunging prices, as sliding economies and industrial output dent greenhouse gas emissions and demand for offsets.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:09:30 PM EST
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Foretelling A Major Meltdown
By discovering the meaning of a rare mineral that can be used to track ancient climates, Binghamton University geologist Tim Lowenstein is helping climatologists and others better understand what we're probably in for over the next century or two as global warming begins to crank up the heat - and, ultimately, to change life as we know it.

"I think the earth will be a very different place in the next hundred years or so, and that many species will adapt to it and many won't," Lowenstein said.

"Humans are supremely good at adapting. But, rich countries will adapt much better than poor countries and other species will have far more trouble coping with environmental change. There are going to be challenges we can't even imagine right now."

Lowenstein's concerns are rooted not in speculation about unprecedented future happenings, but in the scientific discovery and analysis of mineral samples formed during the Eocene Epoch, the warmest period on earth in the last 65 million years.

What Lowenstein and his colleague Robert Demicco at Binghamton University have discovered is that nahcolite, a rare, yellowish-green or brown carbonate mineral, only forms on earth under environmental conditions marked by very high atmospheric CO2 levels.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:22:26 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | World | Americas | Pilots survive night on ice floe

Two men who crash-landed their plane in freezing waters survived 18 hours on a tiny sheet of ice "huddled together like penguins".

The two - one Australian and the other Swedish - endured temperatures of -20C (-4F) after their Cessna plane ran into trouble over the far north of Canada.

Their survival equipment sank with the plane and rescue aircraft responding to their Mayday call failed to find them.

They were eventually rescued by a trawler and airlifted to hospital.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 04:03:20 PM EST
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The Guardian: Climate change: The carbon atlas.

"New figures published today confirm that China has overtaken the US as the largest emitter of CO2. This interactive emissions map shows how the rest of the world compares. Global C02 emissions totalled 29,195m tonnes in 2006 - up 2.4% on 2005."

Click on the graphic for the interactive carbon map.

by Magnifico on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 04:08:27 PM EST
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Everyone could get CO2 permits: China study | Environment | Reuters

The Carbon Budget Proposal suggested that emission allowances could be set at 2.33 tonnes of carbon dioxide per year for each person on the planet in the period 1900 to 2050 as part of a goal of halving world emissions by 2050.

Most rich nations have already far exceeded their budgets and would have to buy emissions rights to keep on emitting until 2050. U.S. emissions now exceed 20 tonnes per capita.

"The accumulative historical emissions in the U.S. is about three times its total carbon budget," according to the study, by scientists at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.

Other countries such as Britain or Germany are also overdrawn.

Poor nations, such as many African states where emissions are below one tonne per person, were far below their 1900-2050 quotas and would receive cash from the rich.



Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 06:56:44 PM EST
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FT.com / China / Economy & Trade - CEQ on FT.com: More than hot air

Far from being an environmental laggard, China's efforts to reduce the rate of growth in greenhouse gas emissions are impressive. The National Development and Reform Commission estimates that in the current five-year plan period (2006-2010), China will emit 1bn tonnes of CO2 less than it would have without these new energy efficiency and emissions measures. But while China has willingly adopted domestic goals and quantified them, they are reluctant to submit to international pressure for targets - especially when China is held to the same standard as much richer nations.

It is important for Westerners to understand that China's per-capita energy consumption and greenhouse gas emissions are still only approximately one-fifth of US levels and one-third of Europe's. Reducing the base would actually require a new kind of energy economy - one yet to be demonstrated in the richer developed world.

Investment in this new energy economy is beginning with the Chinese stimulus package, with its strong investments in rail, electricity grid improvements, energy efficiency and environmental protection. And the prospects for green investment in the United States appear promising. If the developed world invests in its own green transformation, prices for these technologies will fall, and all of us - including China - will benefit.



Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 06:57:41 PM EST
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Too late? Why scientists say we should expect the worst of global warming | Environment | The Guardian

At a high-level academic conference on global warming at Exeter University this summer, climate scientist Kevin Anderson stood before his expert audience and contemplated a strange feeling. He wanted to be wrong. Many of those in the room who knew what he was about to say felt the same. His conclusions had already caused a stir in scientific and political circles. Even committed green campaigners said the implications left them terrified.

Anderson, an expert at the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research at Manchester University, was about to send the gloomiest dispatch yet from the frontline of the war against climate change.

Despite the political rhetoric, the scientific warnings, the media headlines and the corporate promises, he would say, carbon emissions were soaring way out of control - far above even the bleak scenarios considered by last year's report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and the Stern review. The battle against dangerous climate change had been lost, and the world needed to prepare for things to get very, very bad.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 04:42:12 AM EST
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"The World Bank has in the last decade
financed over 26 gigatonnes of CO2 emissions - WWF"

http://brettonwoodsproject.org/

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 07:07:37 AM EST
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BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | Black hole found in Milky Way

There is a giant black hole at the centre of our galaxy, a study has confirmed.

German astronomers tracked the movement of 28 stars circling the centre of the Milky Way, using the European Southern Observatory in Chile.

The black hole is four million times heavier than our Sun, according to the paper in The Astrophysical Journal.

Black holes are objects whose gravity is so great that nothing - including light - can escape them.

According to Dr Robert Massy, of the Royal Astronomical Society, the results suggest that galaxies form around giant black holes in the way that a pearl forms around grit.



Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 04:10:38 PM EST
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 the results suggest that galaxies form around giant black holes in the way that a pearl forms around grit.

As Above, So Below

Same as it ever was, say the elders.  Holy Shit, say the modern scientists.

We now return you to the economic meltdown.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 05:39:09 PM EST
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Lemme criticise the PR.

  1. The title is flat-out wrong: this is a well-known black hole, it wasn't "found". Even as a confirmation of existence, the journalist over-interprets Professor Grenzel's gushing words about the most spectacular result of a 16-year project [later in the article]: the confirmation was there already in the initial years of this project.

  2.  If the presently presented research would have aimed at the confirmation of this black hole's existence, it would have been a worthless exercise. Let me explain.

By observing objects orbiting around some massive object, we can estimate their mass. We can't estimate their size -- only give an upper limit: that being the size of the smallest orgit of the observed objects. If we want to reinforce our suspicion that there is a black hole somewhere, we have to look for stuff orbiting ever closer to the event horizon (that is, the black hole's limit).

In fact, for the black hole at the center of the Milky Way, the orbiting stars have been observed years ago (as a quoted professor says, this is a 16-year running project), and since then, other astronomers could observe stuff much closer than the stars: even the X-rays emitted by gas falling in has been observed.

  1. What further observation of the stars does tell us, though, beyond confirming the earlier star observations, is a more precise estimate of the mass of the black hole.

  2. It seems to me the journalist over-interprets Dr. Massy's words, too, when writing that the results of this study suggest black holes triggered galaxy and star formation. (If anything related, it's the pure observation of the existence of these stars -- which must have formed recently from gas clouds instabilised by the black hole.)


*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 06:08:53 PM EST
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The original Photoshopped image which went with this piece was so bad - the black hole was like, really black and hole shaped - that the BBC deleted it and replaced it with a plain old star view.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 04:49:02 AM EST
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Yes, I had to laugh at that. One would presume that there would be disturbance visible outside the event horizon - pinch filter anyone?

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 05:14:33 AM EST
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They also changed the title:

BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | Black hole confirmed in Milky Way

There is a giant black hole at the centre of our galaxy, a study has confirmed.

However, the picture I found with Google was this:

If this is what you saw, too? For, actually, this IS a correct image of how a black hole bends light, albeit only if it were a totally inactive black hole (no accreting material). On the look of it, it appears to be a view from about 100-1000 times the radius of the event horizon.

Note that the apparent black hole is wider than the event horizon: light is bent around the black hole, thus the impossible light paths (e.g. paths which when followed backwards lead into the black hole: thus no light from beyond the black hole could reach you from that direction) come at a wider angle. For the very same reason, you'd think you're entering the black hole (the black part would cover half the sky) at 1.5 times the radius of the event horizon.

For more simulated images of an inactive black hole, check this page.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 10:57:29 AM EST
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The absence of an accretion disk for the object at the centre of the galaxy threw me a little, I'll admit.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 11:26:17 AM EST
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Well, for our central black hole, the image may be more complex and less spectacular than that standard image. On one hand, it is not even certain that there is a well-formed accretion disc, and if there is one, it is probably cold and dark. Instead, there could be gas filaments visible, filaments forming from stellar wind. What would be definitely missing from the background for our central black hole would be some of the stars orbiting close by.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 12:45:01 PM EST
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may be more complex and less spectacular than that standard image. On one hand, it is not even certain that there is a well-formed accretion disc, and if there is one, it is probably cold and dark

I used too much relative language above, while one thing is certain: our central black hole is weakly active, if it has an accretion disc at all, it isn't bright.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 12:46:55 PM EST
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DoDo: For more simulated images of an inactive black hole, check this page.

Amazing images.  Thanks very much for that link.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 06:31:37 PM EST
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At Last: Pulitzer Prizes Expand to Include Web-Only News Outlets
For the first time, the Pulitzer Prizes will accept submissions from online-only news outlets, but require that they be "text-based" submissions from news organizations that are updated at least weekly and include original reporting.

Pulitzer Administrator Sig Gissler told E&P that "we are expanding the Pulitzers to include many text-based newspapers and news organizations that publish only on the Internet." At the same time, they are "stressing" that all entered material should come from news outlets that publish material at least weekly, "are primarily dedicated to original news reporting, are dedicated to coverage of ongoing stories and that adhere to the highest journalistic principles." <...>

Asked, for example, if a news outlet such as Huffington Post -- which is a mix of personal blogs, link aggregation and original reporting -- would be eligible, he declined to comment saying he did not want to discuss any individual outlet.



Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 02:12:27 AM EST
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Hubble Telescope Finds Carbon Dioxide On An Extrasolar Planet

ScienceDaily (Dec. 9, 2008) -- NASA's Hubble Space Telescope has discovered carbon dioxide in the atmosphere of a planet orbiting another star. This breakthrough is an important step toward finding chemical biotracers of extraterrestrial life.>

The Jupiter-sized planet, called HD 189733b, is too hot for life. But the Hubble observations are a proof-of-concept demonstration that the basic chemistry for life can be measured on planets orbiting other stars. Organic compounds also can be a by-product of life processes, and their detection on an Earthlike planet someday may provide the first evidence of life beyond our planet.

Previous observations of HD 189733b by Hubble and NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope found water vapor. Earlier this year, Hubble found methane in the planet's atmosphere.



Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 03:55:30 AM EST
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What's scientifically important here is our ability to do fine spectral analysis on such faint objects so close to so bright objects. Molecules, unlike atoms, have spectral bands rather than spectral lines, though the so far detected molecule bands are relatively sharp and strong.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 11:22:25 AM EST
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KLATSCH
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:05:00 PM EST
funny pictures of cats with captions
more animals

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:08:55 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | World | Asia-Pacific | Chinese girl gets 'kiss of deaf'

A young Chinese woman was left partially deaf following a passionate kiss from her boyfriend.

The 20-something from Zhuhai in Guangdong province arrived at hospital having completely lost the hearing in her left ear, said local reports.

The incident prompted a series of articles in the local media warning of the dangers of excessive kissing.

"While kissing is normally very safe, doctors advise people to proceed with caution," wrote the China Daily.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 03:57:25 PM EST
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wha ... ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 05:38:13 PM EST
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Suction, apparently, is to blame. French kissing is safer!
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 07:33:14 PM EST
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With tongue piercings, it can apparently cause tooth damage....
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 02:27:11 AM EST
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Better just keep well away from all these shenanigans.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 04:11:35 AM EST
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yup, gives the phrase 'sucking face' new meaning!

maybe he stuck his tongue too deep in her ear.

hmm, but then the chinese do that contortionist thing...

a little sex ed in order here, lol.

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 05:00:55 AM EST
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Chutes to suck waste from estate

The waste will then be sucked through a series of pipes at 70km/h (43mph) to a central collection point, where it will be picked up twice a day.

The system has been used in more than 30 countries and originated in Sweden in the 1960s.




You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 05:22:34 AM EST
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My guess is that he tried one of these classic Hollywood kisses, which would explain why the pressure in her mouth dropped and popped her eardrum. Really unsafe.

This would be another demonstration of the pernicious influence of American culture ;-)

You don't develop that kind of suction French kissing. But then you have to think about your tongue piercing, apparently.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 06:02:10 AM EST
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wha-a-a-a-at?

can't 'ear you!

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 06:06:35 PM EST
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Best to get right to business!

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 06:17:22 AM EST
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Suction????????
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 06:28:29 AM EST
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Insertion :-))

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 07:21:22 AM EST
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OMBuddha!, I encouraged you too much on your b´day...  (-;  

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Wed Dec 10th, 2008 at 12:41:41 PM EST
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