Lonely in the UK?

by In Wales
Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 09:12:25 AM EST

BBC Online reports on how life in the UK has become lonelier over the past 30 years.

Community life in Britain has weakened substantially over the past 30 years, according to research commissioned by the BBC.

Analysis of census data reveals how neighbourhoods in every part of the UK have become more socially fragmented.

The study assesses the health of a community by looking at how rooted people are in their neighbourhood.

They don't appear to have asked people themselves how rooted they feel though, although they've developed 'loneliness indicators' based on factors that are known to reduce the sense of belonging.


The study ranks places using a formula based on the proportion of people in an area who are single, those who live alone, the numbers in private rented accommodation and those who have lived there for less than a year.

The higher the proportion of people in those categories, the less rooted the community, according to social scientists. They refer to it as the level of "anomie" or the "feeling of not belonging".

Large student populations were shown to decrease the 'social glue' which given the high turnover and short length of time that most students stay in one place, is hardly surprising.

97% of communities in the UK have become more socially fragmented over the past three decades.

"These trends may be linked to higher likelihoods of fearfulness because we are less likely to see and therefore understand each others' lives," Professor Dorling said.

"The polarisation and segregation processes may also lead to stronger feelings of isolation."

The causes of social fragmentation are linked to mobility.

Increased wealth and improved access to transport has made it easier for people to move for work, for retirement, for schools, for a new life.

The decline in marriage, increasing divorce, immigration and a growing student population are also said to be contributory factors.

Again, no real surprises there, as people become more mobile, it is less likely to see such large proportions of the population staying in one place.

The report doesn't say if it looks at levels of community volunteering, numbers of community groups or proportions of populations attending church, all of which I imagine would increase the feeling of belonging to one's local community.

I'd say the opportunities for feeling part of the local community are probably there but it involves individuals going out and seeking to be involved with activities that bring them into contact with their local community and environment.

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The report doesn't say if it looks at levels of community volunteering, numbers of community groups or proportions of populations attending church, all of which I imagine would increase the feeling of belonging to one's local community.

I'd say the opportunities for feeling part of the local community are probably there but it involves individuals going out and seeking to be involved with activities that bring them into contact with their local community and environment.

Hmmm, somewhat like the regular advice in papers to lonely people "have you considered Amateur Dramatics ?".

As the person who makes the ice at parties, who could teach Toby Young a thing or two about "how to lose friends and alienate people" I'd suggest that for those, like me, who have problems relating to others it's a lot harder than that.

eg I was in awe of your neighbour Lynne at your party who must have known about as many people there as I did who systematically went round table after table spraking conversations and relating to people in a warm and personal way. Yet these are things I cannot do.

For all the difficulties you face in conversation, your simple knack of being friendly and interested in people and their issues is one that utterly defeats me. A lack of empathy, call it selfishness or self-centredness if you wish, but I don't know how. Really.

But it's not from being disinterested, from being disdainful of friendship. there's a wonderful advert I saw recently from the Autistic society which said something like "just because he doesn't know how to relate, doesn't mean he doesn't want friends". And, even if to a lesser extent, that's how I and probably tens of thousands of other lonely isolated people feel.

And I don't want to do amateur dramatics and my lack of personal warmth means I'm hopeless in so many social or volunteer situations where it's the only thing that's required. But just cos I don't know how, doesn't mean I don't want. Desperately.

And don't play me eleanor rigby, it's the most terrifying song in the world.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 10:08:35 AM EST
How about something more practical like conservation projects?  You can be occupied doing stuff and listening in on what others talk about and get to know them slowly and also have a topic in common which is conservation and environment. Rather than being faced with this pressure to find things to say all the time with people you don't have anything in common with.

I've had to work really hard at being able to do what I do now.  I recognised long ago that I was rubbish in social situations (and I was) and yes I have a bit of an excuse but there are still times when I find it impossible to find something in common with some people and sit there in silence.  It is hard to do but don't be self defeating to think that you are incapable of becoming more sociable in the way you'd like to be.  You can learn how to do it until it becomes easier but you have to put yourself into situations you'd rather run from in order to learn.

btw, Lynne can do what she does because she doesn't care what people think of her - believe me she rubs many people up the wrong way with her approach to things!

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 10:29:26 AM EST
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I've met you several times in RL, Helen, and I don't think you lack personal warmth at all. Nor that you have no gift for conversation. Don't take this for a refusal to listen, I'm just sayin', that's all. ;)

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 10:42:47 AM EST
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I didn't reply to InWales topic to be self-pitying so much as to point out that those with an empathy deficit have problems she hasn't really addressed. I used to get the same from an ex-firend who was very warm and used to nag me incessantly for wrecking potential conversations with my cack-handed behaviour. She never seemed to be able to grasp that i didn't do it deliberately.

And that's my point, the lonely are like that cos we bugger up in social situations. Not cos we want to, we just don't have the smarts (emotional intelligence is the current buzzword) to do otherwise. If we did, we wouldn't be lonely.

F'r instance. and again I don't say this to invite pity, I'm just using me as an example of how we accidently marginalise ourselves.

As someone once pointed out, my "conversational" behaviour is didactic. It's a lovely word, even if I had to look it up, but it only lacks the slightly hectoring implication to sum me up exactly. I don't converse nor do I talk with, instead I talk at, I lecture. The nearest I get to conversation is when I meet someone willing to wrestle for the (my) talking stick.

And I doubt you'd be shocked how many people get pissed off by it.


keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 11:41:50 AM EST
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You have all the skills to be the production chief of a smaller TV news company ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 12:21:50 PM EST
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I wasn't attempting to address anything really, this was just an LQD.  My last paragraph is one thing that some people can do it wasn't my solution to eradicating loneliness.

You recognise these things about you which means there is potential to be able to change them.  There's enough self awareness there for you to be able to know when you are doing these things.  So you need to learn other ways of engaging, just as I had to do and frankly just as everybody has to - it's just that some people don't always have the opportunities to learn from other people when they are younger.

As other people here have said, you are not this awful unsociable person you consider yourself to be.  Yes there are some traits that require a little more give from the person you are with but these things aren't impossible to change.  

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 12:38:25 PM EST
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Helen, it seems to me that you see yourself with much harsher eyes than those around you.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 10:48:26 AM EST
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Maybe, but my real life social circle has vanished. Transition is to blame for some of that, some people just stopped returning my calls. But a lot of it is that people change and move on and I seemd unable to develop friendships to replace them.

I now have one sort of friend I see about once a month and occasional forays to gay real ale drinker meets and apart from that I have no social life at all. why do you think I'm always on ET ?

So, if it seems I'm being harsh, I'm reflecting a lived experience.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 11:31:00 AM EST
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Maybe the recession will help cure British loneliness?

Britons 'saving money with sex'

As the credit crunch bites, Britons may be turning to sex as a cheap way to pass the time, a charity says.

A YouGov survey of 2,000 adults found sex was the most popular free activity, ahead of window shopping and gossiping.

The Scots were most amorous with 43% choosing sex over other pastimes, compared with 35% in South England.

Aids charity the Terrence Higgins Trust, which published the survey, also welcomed recent figures showing an increase in condom sales.

Around one in 10 respondents to the survey, carried in November, said their favourite free activity was window shopping and 6% chose going to a museum as the cheapest way to pass the time.

But the sexes differed on their priorities, with women preferring to gossip with friends while men had sex firmly at the top of their list.

Firmly, even...

On a serious note, I think, based on purely personal experience, there appears to be a growing backlash to the "Bowling Alone" culture in America.  Suburbia will always be an anti-social hell on earth, but I do think we've reached a tipping point in the States where we've realized how cut off from one another we've become and are actively reaching out, coming up with new ways to create little communities.  Also, this is weird, but a lot of people have remarked on it: since the election, people in Chicago are just nicer to and more open with one another.  It's kind of neat.  That sense of existential isolation has seriously diminished.  Who knows how long it will last, though.

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 12:27:32 PM EST
It's still a basic American attitude: money and sex is all that matters (if you can get that).

This civilization probably lost a lot of knowledge what else is important or fun.

by das monde on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 06:12:06 AM EST
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It's a very silly survey, this.

The 'anomie index' is very poor science. It seems to have been invented in the 70s, never tested properly, and not updated since then. It ignores things like Internet socialising and work relationships, and also doesn't ask if perhaps people are more self-reliant than they used to be.

It also doesn't ask how people actually feel.

The league table on the BBC site is ridiculous. What does a difference of 0.7 between London and Edinburgh actually mean? Is it statistically significant?

It's also part of the media's 'The UK's relentless world of eternal misery and woe - it's a bit crap really, isn't it?' negative reporting mindset.

Was 'community' ever really the idyllic world it was supposed to be? People may have chatted over their garden fences, but at the same time family life was often drunken and violent, with systematic child abuse. There was no mechanism for reporting dysfunction, and no media or social framing for it, so it wasn't seen as the problem it is now. That doesn't mean it wasn't important - it was more that expectations were low, and family violence of every kind was seen as background noise.

Besides - I can think of places like Brighton which seem to be quite fun places to live, even though the turnover of people is likely to be quite high, so they'd score high on this faked-up anomie index.

What makes people engaged now isn't a nostalgic hankering for a rooted family life which never existed, but chances to meet people and do fun stuff.

If there's loneliness it's because the UK's social culture revolves around getting bladdered, which is a pastime of limited appeal. But even out here it's not impossible to find cool people and cool things to do, and this is hardly the cosmpolitan hub of the bustling South.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 01:04:30 PM EST
What makes people engaged now isn't a nostalgic hankering for a rooted family life which never existed, but chances to meet people and do fun stuff.

And you say the BBC survey is "ridiculous" ! "Rooted family life" "never" existed ? ! But people now can be engaged because they can meet and do "fun stuff" - UK - now a fun country - someone should tell Brown :-)


If there's loneliness it's because the UK's social culture revolves around getting bladdered, which is a pastime of limited appeal. But even out here it's not impossible to find cool people and cool things to do, and this is hardly the cosmpolitan hub of the bustling South.

"If there's loneliness" - is there really any "if" ?


  Tuesday, 04 November 2008

A survey has revealed that more than a million elderly people are suffering from loneliness in the UK.

Research by charity Help the Aged shows that almost half a million pensioners leave their homes only once a week. In addition, a further 300,000 are completely housebound.

 http://www.seniorsdiscounts.co.uk/recent-news/elderly-suffering-from-loneliness-in-the-uk.html

So there's clearly more than just your explanation for loneliness - that UK "social life" revolves around "getting bladdered". It sounds as if you are accepting a journalistic cliché. Of course UK social life is far more complex and diverse than that which regularly gets the headlines, bad as the "bladdered" minority are.


"We know from our Taking Part survey that nearly 70 per cent of people in England attend and participate in a huge range of arts and craft activities from book clubs to amateur orchestras and from lace-making to ballet and ballroom dancing.

"Much of this activity isn't through publicly-funded organisations so it is important to take into account the thousands of people who participate in the voluntary and amateur arts sector

http://www.seco.org.uk/from_ballroom_dancing_to_book_clubs.html



Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 06:15:36 PM EST
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