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by In Wales
Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 01:11:42 PM EST

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I had problems accessing ET earlier - anyone else have difficulty?

Off to write an essay now...

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 01:14:39 PM EST
Nope, but I just came on-line.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 01:36:33 PM EST
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No trouble on my end.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 01:51:50 PM EST
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I couldn't get on for a long time this morning.

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 02:04:30 PM EST
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I'm too distracted to figure out when your morning was in relation to when I couldn't get into ET but it is still slow for me now.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 02:39:25 PM EST
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Well, it was around 11 my time, which is what, 5pm where you are?

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 02:41:55 PM EST
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Yeah I couldn't get in at all then. Seems a bit better now. But my essay still isn't written. A comparative approach to politics, anyone?

And next door is playing music so loud I can feel and hear it.  Great.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 03:08:03 PM EST
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compare it to what? flower arranging? deep sea diving?

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 05:23:46 PM EST
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That might work.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 05:44:02 PM EST
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yes, access was a bit compromised, but it's a-woikin' fine now.

"I freed thousands of slaves. I could have freed thousands more, if they had known they were slaves." -Harriet Tubman .
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 04:45:02 PM EST
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WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

[Drew's WHEEEEE™ Technology]

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 01:24:54 PM EST
[Jerome's WEEEEEE™ Technology]



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 04:02:06 PM EST
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at Jesse's Café Américain. 3 Dec 2008.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by MarketTrustee on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 10:02:58 PM EST
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Sorry that I am so many hours late, but my horses were tired.  

Are you still celebrating, or are you ´geezing out´ in a pity party? (;  That doesn´t sound like you, unless you are under pressure from climate change and moving stress...  

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 01:30:40 PM EST
Happy Birthday, Crazy Horse!

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 01:52:10 PM EST
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Danke Meta

Geezing out?  Naw, we're still goin' (after the required nap.)


Hey, where's the video???

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 02:01:55 PM EST
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Hey, congratulations! Are you celebrating at home or blogging from the whiskey bar (oh don't ask why)?

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 02:13:26 PM EST
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Me 'n my alias are out and about in Bremen, so no whisky bar tonight.  Looks like endangered fish and green horse radish will be the opening poison.  Though i've been sipping cremènt all afternoon, while digesting an urgent request for technical evaluation of Chinese turbine components, and listening to Lyle Lovett.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 02:29:42 PM EST
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endangered fish and green horse radish

And thin-sliced ginger too, I hope? Tasty! Guten Appetit and take care in your strange new city.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 03:06:51 PM EST
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My congratulations C.H. The best years are still ahead!

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 02:20:23 PM EST
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Happy birthday!
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 03:10:32 PM EST
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Happy Birthday, Crazy Horse!

While most of you may have a few miles on the od, do I not recall correctly that the parts changers have been at work?  Just make sure those new parts get a proper seasoning.  Otherwise, enjoy!

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 03:00:06 PM EST
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crazy birthday happy horse!

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 05:28:07 PM EST
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My head hurts.

I've been trying to transcribe Jamaican dancehall into standard English. Hard work.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 01:51:24 PM EST
Who'd want to hear old, standard English when they can have live... 'Jamaican dancehall'?  Just add a video and everyone will get it.  (;  

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 02:22:16 PM EST
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Well, I'm getting paid to do this.

As a matter of fact, I am at the end of a long "value creation chain" (to use the cant of the day. Some MdB ("MP") wants to know if many of the songs feature extreme violence, drug abuse and/or violent homophobia (the answers being, yup, yup and yup, respectively). I pass my work upstream to a colleague who translates them into German and certifies them (he having the necessary court authorization).

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 02:34:59 PM EST
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Is this where Jamacian Dancehall meets Procrustes in Germany?

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 03:02:13 PM EST
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Hey! Making it fit is hard work!

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 03:08:08 PM EST
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The replies which come to mind  ... shame on me.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 03:13:46 PM EST
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is that one of the lyrics?

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 06:05:56 AM EST
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LIFE photo archive hosted by Google

Ninety-seven percent of the collection, which stretches from 1860 to today, has never been seen by the public. It's now online for the first time through the joint work of LIFE and Google.
...
Search millions of photographs from the LIFE photo archive, stretching from the 1750s to today. Most were never published and are now available for the first time through the joint work of LIFE and Google.

Remarkable...but I can't think of any remark comparable to the amazing quality and provocation that these shots deliver.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 02:46:28 PM EST
Oh WHEW!

I am SO glad they saved all those photos, and now have them online for everyone to look at.  It goes a very long way towards making up for the HEART ATTACK I gave my mother the day she came downstairs to find me happily cutting out all the neat pictures from her impressive collection of old LIFE magazines for some school project I was doing.  I mean, look, I didn't understand why it was ok to cut out thhings from Better Homes & Gardens but not LIFE.  They're both already read magazines, right?  Besided, LIFE had MUCH cooler pictures.  Esp. the ones of JFK and MLK jr. and stuff...

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 02:57:27 PM EST
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Am overwhelmed by work right now, and not in a good way. Will try to be around, but no guarantees.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 03:56:29 PM EST
- Russian Blog: A Russian Facebook: вконтакте.ру

For all of those who already use Facebook the news I'm about to bring you are good; for MySpace people - not so much. There's a Russian version of Facebook, though it's completely independent, and in no way connected to Facebook, except for one thing - it is an almost exact copy of the way Facebook used to look before (the old Facebook), translated into Russian. It's called «в контакте» [in contact] and can be found online as www.vkontakte.ru. (I'm sorry for the poor quality of the following pictures - there must be something wrong with the uploading-pictures-machine on Wordpress...)

And now we take the next step - or to be honest, a step back - and enter «в союзе» [in the union]. Here, as you might have been able to guess, we find the following `functions': «Мои Товарищи» [My Comrades] «Мои Фотокарточки» [My Snapshots] «Мои Киноленты» [My Reels of Film] «Мои Телеграммы» [My Telegrams] «Мои Записки» [My Notes] «Мои Союзы» [My Unions] «Мои Собрания» [My Assemblies] «Моё Информбюро» [My Inform Bureau] «Мои Настройки» [My Tuners].

Must. Resist. Urge to Join social networking site solely on basis of its profound coolness.

- Telegraph: Garden gnomes banned from church cemetery because they are 'unnatural creatures'

The gnomes, along with plastic flowers and other decorations such as teddy bears, have been called "inappropriate" and tacky by the Diocese of Bath and Wells.

The church banned the garden figures from Wrington and Congresbury cemeteries in Somerset, and have said they will remove any that they find as part of new guidelines issued by the Chancellor of the Diocese, Worshipful Timothy Briden.

A spokesman for the Diocese of Bath and Wells said: "There is no such thing as a real gnome so why should we have such unnatural creatures in churchyards?"

The spokesman added: "Things such as gnomes and plastic flowers are not permitted because they are aesthetically unattractive and they make it harder to maintain the grounds.

"The historic churchyards are part of Somerset and we want to keep them tidy and safe.

"If people want their loved ones to be buried in one of our churchyards then they have to stick to the rules which are clearly displayed at all churchyards."

The decision to ban the gnomes and statues has been met with criticism from the community however.

Hollie Richards, 24, who has lived in Congresbury all her life and has two grandparents, an uncle and an aunt buried in St Andrew's churchyard in the cemetery, said: "People should be free to put what they want around the gravestones as it is down to personal preference.

"It helps the grieving process as you can surround the grave of the person you love with possessions that were important to them.

I'm pretty sure Angels are unnatural creatures.  As well as Christs.  And Vampires.  And Ghosts.  But, no, they get full rein of these places.  I mean really, if you are going to allow dead people in, I don't see how you can justify turning away anything else.  Being dead is generally where I draw the line when it comes to deciding who can visit me, anyway...

- Gapers Block: As Long As You're Warm, Right?

If allowing corporate sponsorship/renaming rights of CTA stops doesn't whack your mole, perhaps warmer waits for the bus in the name of "experimental marketing" will...Kraft is teaming up with JCDecaux (French for "this bus shelter is very fashionable and sturdy") for an ad campaign for Stove Top this month that involves radiating warm air from ten downtown bus shelters in an effort to "bring to life the warm feeling that consumers get when they eat stuffing." Kraft will also be handing out samples of their newest feat of stuffing research, an item called "Quick Cups," at selected shelters. I'll be keeping gravy in my commuter mug in eager anticipation.

Let me see if I understand.  Paris hires JCDecaux and gets added bonus of a city bike rental program.  Chicago hires JCDecaux and gets added bonus of re-heated stuffing out of a box.   Can someone please tell me the least painless way to kill myself?  Thanks.

- Pravda: Putin and the animals

Vladimir Putin, Russia's incumbent Prime Minister, owns a Labrador dog named Koni. The dog's full name is Koni Palgrave. The dog was born in 1999 and was raised at a cynological center of Russia's EMERCOM. The dog's mother is named Henrietta Bush, whereas her father's name is Alkor Ros Bradford. Putin received the puppy as a gift from EMERCOM Minister Sergei Shoigu in 2001.

Koni has a unique sense of smell. The dog always sniffs Putin's guests prior to all official meetings, to which the pet is allowed. The dog receives three meals a day and has a special fondness for porridge with meat.

In 2002 Putin received two goitered gazelles as a gift from the President of Kazakhstan, Nursultan Nazarbayev. The two little gazelles arrived at the Moscow zoo. One of the animals died several days after, whereas the second one, which zoo employees named in Putin's honor as Vlada, was subsequently sent to the city of Penza. Unfortunately, Vlada died in April of 2003.

Putin received another four-legged gift during his visit to the city of Kazan, the republic of Tatarstan - a mini-pony named as Chip. The tiny horse was only 57 cm tall. Putin took the pony to Sochi, where the animal was given another name - Vadik.

Toy puddles Tosya and Rodeo, as well as goat Skazka, arrived at Putin's residence in Sochi in 2003. Putin received the snow-white goat from Moscow mayor Yury Luzhkov. Afterwards, the goat was transferred to the presidential residence in Novo-Ogaryovo, the Moscow region. The latter is the home to a stepping horse from Kyrgyzstan and a chestnut stud from Bashkiria's leader, Murtazy Rakhimov. Vadik, the dwarfish horse, also resides in the Moscow region now. The presidential residence has also become the home to a Siberian tiger. Several people and a veterinary doctor have been employed to take care of Putin's animals.

Three Arab race horses, which Putin received from the King of Jordan, and three horses from the former head of Pakistan, Pervez Musharraf, were given away to the Moscow race course.

Two little gazelles, a mini-pony and a goat?  I think this finally proves my long held suspicion that if P.T. Barnum and St. Francis of Assisi reproduced, their son would be named Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.

- Siberian Light: Save money - be smelly like Zhirinovsky

Russian loony Far Right leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky has been setting working hard to save his roubles in the current financial crisis.

Clearly no fan of personal hygeine, he explains his money saving regime:

"I have been thrifty. I am not having my hair cut. My hair has already grown longer than ever. I only shave every other day. I eat very little. I never go out. I never invite anyone over to my place. I don't buy presents for anyone and I am asking people not to buy anything for me. I am not travelling anywhere," he said.

Zhirinovskiy also said there was no need to spend money on personal hygiene products because "all these are chemical and hazardous". Fewer newspapers should be bought because the same newspaper can be shared "by all next-door neighbours" or perhaps "the entire block", he continued.

(Via Johnson's Russia List 2008 ~215)

Tortally insane AND smells horrid.  The man is Moscow personified!  And I mean that in the absolute nicest way possible.

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 03:58:55 PM EST
Diocese of Bath and Wells:
"There is no such thing as a real gnome so why should we have such unnatural creatures in churchyards?"

OTOH, angels are cool...

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 04:08:04 PM EST
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Slow news day over there?

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 07:04:35 PM EST
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Seriously, WhereTF is everyone?!

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 05:18:26 PM EST
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In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 04:04:50 PM EST
  1. Happy Birthday Crazy Horse!

  2. Belatd Happy Birthday In Wales!

  3. Belated owww-total-sympathy-get-better-soon to Poemless!
by lychee on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 06:30:15 PM EST
It was like watching Gidget address the Reichstag.

 - Matt Taibbi, on Palin's convention speech

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 07:12:18 PM EST
First up, let's keep that Crazy Horse a-galloping!

And...hey, Santanalia and Rudolphanalia is a-coming...across the planet!

Festive in so many languages!  Santa with your beard so long, don't you know that beards are wrong?

Rudolph the red nosed reindeer!  
Clearly has a problem with drink;
all of the other reindeers,
like to talk about his problem.  
All of the other reindeers,
think that he's a real disgrace.  
Rudolph is dating Blixen--
who'da thunk he'd
...er....
Santa!  

Big bellied good will to all men and women, kick back, relax!  Ain't no God santa works for, he just works for the fun--Santa with your nose so bright, how many Whisky macs didja drink tonite?

Cough and a-cough and a- cough cough cough!

Country Rock?  You got it!

Ah!  I wish ye americanis well!  I think I should add that noble word taught to me by margouillet:

Collectivities!

Kinda country Bruce, but ya know...

That poverty could be
Just another ugly thing
And bigotry would be
Seen only as obscene
And the ones that run this land
Help the poor and common man
This is our country

Didn't Mr. Obama just say:

To ensure prosperity here at home and peace abroad, we all share the belief we have to maintain the strongest military on the planet.

Do you think those are in the correct order?

  1. Prosperity here at home
  2. Peace abroad

I never did get that lovin' one's country business, though I very much enjoy the South Downs...which is sorta my country....

I think it's english folk music--that ruined my enjoyment of "me and mine".  Death, sea voyages, wars, innocents doomed and the left beloved suicides...near a church...a hey dee fiddley hey!

Gah!  No!  It cannot be true!

This is my folk music--the music my folks listen to:

Oh Crazy Horse, lucky soul that enjoyed country sounds where there was country and sounds!  But jazz....'twill be seen in centuries to come as one of the highlights of the 20th...

(More coughing)

White man blues.  It's the humour and passion...right?

(10 minute extravaganza...)

Ah!  There must be one more, for ze Crazy Horse!  Flowers...and trees.  Give it thirty seconds and...country music!

Hey, happy birthday!



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 07:22:02 PM EST
Ach, ze Mellencamp senor didnae come across--here's another:



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 07:30:35 PM EST
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One for rg and Crazy Horse

In fact, for the whole ET crew...

Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 08:57:37 PM EST
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Ah, fantastic!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 04:46:35 AM EST
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You know, most of the time on this site i'm in awe of various economic and political understandig, but tonite i'd like everyone to give a shoutout to rg's musical offerings.

If we look back correctly, we know that music reflects all that takes place in society, and we are lucky that there are those here whose knowledge equals that of the best economysts.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 09:17:27 PM EST
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Pretty amazing article in Ha'aretz today.
A Gush Shalom report claims that European anger at Israeli companies producing goods beyond the Green Line is causing real harm to some companies, one of which is reportedly mineral water producer Mayanot Eden.

The report claims Mayanot Eden (coloquially known as "Mei Eden") had to close its warehouse in the town of Loanhead, south of Edinburgh.

Never mind the political aspects: What on earth is a country with a water shortage doing exporting mineral water in the first place? France or Italy exporting it is one thing, but Israel? Exporting it to Scotland which gets plenty of it from the sky most days... Is this stupidity more widespread? Can you get imported mineral water from Saudi Arabia? Singapore?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 05:34:40 AM EST


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