European Salon de News, Discussion et Klatsch - 8. January

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:02:04 PM EST
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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:04:22 PM EST
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EUobserver

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Ukraine's integration process with the EU could be harmed by the gas crisis the European Commission has indicated, as European firms begin wondering how to get their money back.

"Ukraine says it wants to be closer to the EU. If it wants to be closer, it should not create any problems when it comes to EU energy supplies," European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said at a press conference in Prague on Wednesday (7 January).

Ukraine has a 22,000 km-long transit network

The remark came after his telephone conversations with Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and Ukraine Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko earlier the same day failed to clarify why Russian gas flows to the EU via Ukraine halted completely on Wednesday morning.

"If both the Russians and the Ukrainians behave as they say they are behaving, there should be no problem," the commission chief said.

Russia has blamed Ukraine for the stoppage, saying Kiev shut down compressor stations channeling volumes to the EU, amid a week-old row over gas prices and debt repayments. But Ukraine says Russia simply stopped pumping gas at 7.00 am Kiev time.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:04:53 PM EST
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What is Russia's end-game in gas row? | Reuters

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin raised the stakes in his gas conflict with Ukraine by slashing supplies to Europe, a measure that has left some EU states struggling to heat homes in sub-zero temperatures.

Russian gas export monopoly Gazprom said it was forced to take that step because Ukraine -- locked in a dispute with Moscow over gas pricing -- was stealing gas being pumped across its territory for customers in Europe.

What was Putin seeking to achieve by reacting in this way? There is so far no consensus among diplomats and analysts about what Russia's end-game is. The following are the main theories:

RUSSIA HAS NO END-GAME

The Kremlin started out with the modest aim of persuading Ukraine to pay closer to market prices for its gas, but has now been out-manoeuvred by Kiev.

"Russia and Gazprom have walked into a trap," said Fyodr Lukyanov, editor of the journal Russia in Global Affairs.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:08:34 PM EST
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EU Warns Rowing Gas Powers of Long Term Consequences | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 07.01.2009
The EU warns Russia and Ukraine that they face long-term consequences unless they immediately resolve a dispute that has cut gas supplies to Europe and left some countries struggling to heat up homes over the winter.

"If the transit (of Russian gas through Ukraine) does not go as normal, we will have a real problem", and the EU will have to conclude that "we no longer consider the supply of gas from Russia through Ukraine as credible," said European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso.

 

Barroso, who was speaking in Prague at the launch of the Czech presidency of the bloc, said both Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Timoshenko had accepted an EU offer to deploy international observers tasked with monitoring Russian gas flows through Ukraine.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:09:35 PM EST
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Russia-Ukraine gas crisis intensifies as all European supplies cut off | Business | guardian.co.uk

Gazprom, the state-owned Russian gas group, today cut off all supplies to Europe travelling through Ukrainian pipelines, intensifying the political and economic crisis that has arisen out of a payments dispute between the two countries.

Amid evidence that people in eastern Europe are being deprived of heating as the Arctic cold snap continues, Russia and Ukraine continued to blame each other for the deadlock.

Gazprom accused Ukraine of shutting down the fourth and last open pipeline crossing the country while officials at Naftogaz, Ukraine's state energy firm, simply said: "Words fail us."



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:12:26 PM EST
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New cold war in Europe as Russia turns off gas supplies - Europe, World - The Independent

Fears of a deep chill spread across Europe yesterday after a row between Russia and Ukraine over gas prices cut supplies to the rest of the continent on a day of plummeting temperatures and heavy snowfalls.

The European Union said the situation was "completely unacceptable" as thousands of businesses were urged to switch fuels, and households struggled to keep warm in sub-zero temperatures. But there was no sign of an end to the standoff between Russia's energy monopoly Gazprom and Ukraine, locked in battle since New Year's Day.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:14:53 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Dispute hits Europe gas supplies

Exports of Russian gas to Europe via Ukraine appear to have completely stopped amid a dispute over gas supplies between the two countries.

Heating systems shut down in some parts of central Europe, as outdoor temperatures plunged to -10C or lower.

Russia and Ukraine have blamed each other, and the EU says it wants its own monitors to check the flow of gas.

The EU depends on Russia for about a quarter of its total gas supplies, some 80% of which is pumped through Ukraine.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:18:20 PM EST
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Do we have reliable reports of end-users heating shutdowns?

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 04:28:46 PM EST
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I have read that schools have been closed in a couple of countries (Slovakia, Bulgaria?) - that's mostly government PR, I'd say - and heard on the radio that Peugeot was going to close its factory today (but then gas may be just a convenient excuse given that state of the industry)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 05:16:35 AM EST
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... And may be linked to a raise in the price of gas rather than an actual absence of gas. If you're going to stop the factor for a few weeks, doing it when gas is expensive is a sensible decision...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 05:32:01 AM EST
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Checking bulgarian english language news there are reports of some parts of sofia having no heating. hospitals and schools are closing as well.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 06:29:26 AM EST
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Does Bulgaria not have storage facilities in their gas network?

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 06:43:30 AM EST
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XInhua: Bulgaria can live on gas shortage regime for 100 days: president (2009-01-08)
Bulgaria faces no austerity measures in electricity consumption, and no termination of central heating, and its economy could function for up to 100 days on the country's reserves, Bulgarian President Georgi Parvanov announced Wednesday.

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In the president's words, the only effect of the gas shortage that most Bulgarians would feel was slight reduction in the amount of heat they received from the central heating plants.

In the medium run, Parvanov mentioned some other measures to provide for Bulgaria's energy security including the expansion of the Chiren storage facility, and more importantly, building a 70-kilometers long gas transit pipeline between the Bulgarian city of Dimitrovgrad and the Greek town of Komotini, with which Bulgaria would join the Turkey-Greece-Italy pipeline.

Also Xinhua: PM: Romania capable of coping with gas supply for winter (2009-01-08)
Romania has enough of its own natural gas stocks and production to manage despite the cut-off of its Russian gas supplies, Prime Minister Emil Boc said Wednesday.

Boc made the statement after discussing the natural gas crisis with President Traian Basescu. He said that they agreed that Romania has to look for alternative energy resources so as to avoid similar problems in the future.

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Boc said that with current stocks, Romania is capable of supplying enough gas for heating in the winter as long as there is no extreme weather.



Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 06:47:58 AM EST
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Cool Migeru...getting the real specifics.

I almost feel like this is data that should be disseminated broadly. But how exactly does spreading actual true information help in the "fear uncertainty and doubt" phase of the game?

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 07:34:11 AM EST
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Russian gas crisis to keep bills high as firms divert UK stocks | Business | The Guardian

Britain now exporting supplies to Europe through pipeline as shortages spread

<...> Despite freezing temperatures and rising demand in Britain, traders switched from importing to exporting gas through an interconnector pipeline to continental Europe as a growing row between Russia and Ukraine left many countries short of supplies.

British wholesale prices have leapt in recent days due to the crisis, leading to warnings that UK householders could be denied long-awaited cuts in fuel prices. The price of gas hit 73p a therm - up 26% in three days.

Government sources warned UK energy companies not to use the Ukraine crisis as an excuse to delay passing on the benefits of otherwise lower world energy prices. One senior Whitehall figure said: "We would expect the energy companies to be responsible and not use this dispute as an excuse to hold off on the price reductions they have talked about which customers are expecting in the spring."

<...>

The crisis will reignite concerns that the UK has left itself open to exploitation by foreign companies who came in and bought up major UK utilities leaving British Gas as one of the few locally owned entities. EDF of France and E.ON and RWE of Germany are among the continental groups that dominate the sector.

There was particular concern that the huge foreign-owned utilities that dominate power supply in the UK are putting their continental customers ahead of UK energy users, although they denied this.

These companies - some of which have part-government ownership - have used a free market to buy British assets in a way that is considered unlikely to occur on mainland Europe. They are also able to use the more liberalised gas market to fill up their storage facilities during the summer and autumn.

"Even in winter, if they can get hold of UK gas via the interconnector they will use that instead of dipping into their storage facilities. By contrast, UK players can't access gas from the European market as there is no liquid market to buy from ... also there is no third party access to European gas storage facilities, again in contrast to the UK," said one frustrated British gas trader.

The conclusion of this whine is perhaps that the British, after happily helping to support a "dazzling economy" for years by exporting North Sea gas, now wish for an end to free markets and a return to state control?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:15:21 AM EST
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I keep on reading in the Economist that market liberalisation is good even if others outside don't do it for themselves.

In this case, UK gas owners get a higher price for their gas on the continent than they would selling in the UK: surely that is a good thing for them. And UK gas users presumably get cheaper gas than they would on the continent the rest of the time, thanks to liberalisation. So where's the problem?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 05:23:30 AM EST
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So where's the problem?
The damn winter doesn't understand the theory of comparative advantage?

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by martingale on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 05:36:50 AM EST
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People freezing to death IS a market solution: it reduces demand.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 06:41:12 AM EST
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The market can only bring good outcomes. Don't you know anything??
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 06:46:05 AM EST
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A solution on the boundary of the feasible set? Holy moly, that's probably not even differentiable! Savages!

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by martingale on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 06:52:25 AM EST
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The Associated Press: Gazprom's CEO holds talks with Naftogaz's Dubina

MOSCOW (AP) -- The heads of the Russian and Ukrainian gas companies have held an unexpected meeting in Moscow to discuss the dispute that has caused an energy crisis in Europe.

Both companies confirmed they met early Thursday but released no details. It was the first face-to-face meeting between Gazprom's Alexei Miller and Naftogaz's Oleh Dubina since talks over prices broke down New Year's Eve.

The meeting was unexpected because both men are due in Brussels Thursday to meet with EU officials.

Sargon tells us this meeting was in the middle of the night.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 07:31:47 AM EST
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given that they both flew to Brussels for a joint meeting with the EU this morning...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 07:59:17 AM EST
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Interesting to be a fly on the wall at the midnight meeting?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:29:05 AM EST
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EUobserver

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Romania's parliament will have to change its attitude towards corruption if the country is to succeed in cleaning up its judicial system, Romanian justice minister Catalin Predoiu has said.

Speaking to EUobserver, Mr Predoiu, in the post for just under a year, said that judicial reform and fighting high level corruption is "mainly in the hand of the magistrates and of the parliament."

The newly elected Romanian parliament needs to lift the immunity of some of its members in corruption cases.  Although it has been a member of the EU for two years, Romania remains under extra supervision by Brussels in the justice and home affairs area and has often been criticised by the European Commission for failing to sufficiently tackle corruption issues.

"We are expected to implement a number of important reforms in a period of financial difficulties. The time pressure is another challenge," said Mr Predoiu, alluding to the fact that EU commission was entering the last months of its term.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:05:28 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Turkey holds 30 over 'coup plot'

More than 30 people have been detained in Turkey in a widening inquiry into an alleged coup plot.

Those arrested reportedly included three retired generals and a former police chief.

Some 86 people are already accused of an ultra-nationalist plot to stoke unrest that would provoke the army to launch a coup.

Critics say the ruling AK Party is simply arresting some of its most prominent secular opponents.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:18:45 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Sarkozy announces justice reform

President Nicolas Sarkozy has announced major changes to the French judiciary, bringing it closer to the system used in the English-speaking world.

President Sarkozy said he wanted to abolish investigating magistrates, who currently act as independent judges - a system brought in by Napoleon.

The changes would allow state prosecutors and the police to take the lead in investigations instead.

Critics say the move would leave the system open to political interference.

At present the investigating magistrate plays a powerful and independent role in certain cases, overseeing investigations by police and prosecutors, examining the evidence, and deciding if a case should go to trial.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:19:38 PM EST
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I am frankly at a loss as to how the elimination of the juge d'instruction is going to make the French inquisitorial system closer to the English accusational system.

As pointed out in Le Monde yesterday the problem is the independance of the state prosecutors and the police from political influence. Since it had been previously recommended by the Criminal Justice Commission in 1990 to revamp structure and procedure to effectively counter government meddling in criminal cases before abolishing the investigative magistracy, one has legitimate grounds to believe Sarkhozy is attacking the independance of the magistracy.

Never mind Italy where a two-tiered ancien régime judiciary system will soon gaurantee near total impunity to the elite and their allies. A far cry from "English-speaking" systems for whatever they're worth.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 05:26:33 PM EST
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I think eliminating the juge d'instruction from the French legal system is errant nonsense.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 05:33:55 PM EST
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You would then agree that divesting the current Italian equivalent of the juge d'instruction of his constitutional obligations to investigate news of a crime and, conversely, empowering the investigative police with discretionary power to investigate chosen crimes in line with parliamentary guidelines, could lead to an entirely arbitrary if not demagogic state of affairs. (But then that is only one of proposals designed to subjugate Italy's judiciary branch to the Prince, his whims and urges.)
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 07:33:54 PM EST
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I'm sure that somewhere along the line this allows Sarkozy to appoint a bunch of judges.  What a see-through fascist prick.
by paving on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 05:41:17 PM EST
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Have doubled since 01.01.09, climbing steadily each day.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 04:04:38 PM EST
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Presumably because we post photos of dangling naked skiers.
</snark>

Or is that because what J has established is getting traction!

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 05:38:08 PM EST
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Maybe the two stories are connected...

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 06:53:54 PM EST
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That's really only because they basically halved in the holiday period. The "peak brought about by the FT article is not really one when compared to the levels of activity we had back in October. It's only visible compared to the declining levels of the past weeks, which is not a good thing, in my view.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 05:25:28 AM EST
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Wasn't there one of those election things somewhere or other back then?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 07:41:38 AM EST
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In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 07:59:52 AM EST
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JaP - "... not really one [a notable increase] when compared to the levels  of activity we had back in October."

TBG - "...Wasn't there one of those election things somewhere or other back then?"

Answer: On the intertubes.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:46:05 PM EST
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You do grumpy, I do hopeless optimism ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 08:25:33 AM EST
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Since i live now in the most bike friendly city i've seen in Deutschland, and being a windpower bozo i'm exquisitely fond of insulation, i thought this article brings some hope for the future.

Jan. 7 (Bloomberg) -- In East Berlin's communist-era apartments, warm air used to seep through drafty walls. Heaters had to run overtime, taxing power plants and increasing greenhouse-gas emissions blamed for global warming.

No more. A 2 billion-euro ($2.7 billion) urban-renovation program paid for foam insulation, cutting energy use almost in half, said Karin Lompscher, Berlin's environment chief. The urban fund, also notable for turning human waste into biofuel, has helped the German capital trim emissions of climate-changing carbon dioxide 20 percent since 1990, according to city data.

Berlin cut CO2 emissions 20% since 1990, and:


Berlin's building codes were changed to encourage residents to fix up homes and live closer together in the inner city. New trams and bicycle paths were added. Those measures led to a 2.6 percent reduction from 1998 to 2004 in trips by automobiles, one of the largest sources of CO2 emissions.

Perhaps us geezers (Der Greis ist Heiss!) shouldn't be so cynical.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 06:31:43 PM EST
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This should be done on a large scale for every single building. It would have the added advantage of creating jobs and activity right in the sectors and at the time it's needed today...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 05:27:06 AM EST
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you'd like to think that, but I could probably write a couple of pages anticipating the excuses the British govt would trot out to avoid doing so.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 06:21:56 AM EST
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There's already an wall insulation scheme in the UK - pensioners get it free, everyone else has to pay a few hundred.

It helps, but duoble glazing would be useful too.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 07:43:52 AM EST
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Triple-glazing in Finland ;-)

It IS a no-brainer. Domestic heating is a major component of energy demand. Lower this specific demand, say, 20% (which is easy to do by remodelling more energy efficient homes), and it releases great benefits: lower energy bills for consumers = more to spend elsewhere, C02 reduction, less demand of energy resources = (perhaps, lower prices), and labor intensive employment for the remodelling.

That 20% reduction for homes would mean quite a chunk of savings. My guess is that many people would be very happily surprised and thus perhaps become more aware and supportive of other needed energy reforms.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 08:37:01 AM EST
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Stansted protesters sentenced to community service amid threat of £2m damages claim | Environment | The Guardian

A group of climate change protesters who brought Stansted airport to a standstill after occupying a taxiway in December were sentenced yesterday, as it emerged that they and others who joined them face the threat of being sued for more than £2m in damages.

Most of the 22 campaigners, who are members of the group Plane Stupid, were ordered to do between 50 and 90 hours community service after admitting aggravated trespass. The incident closed the airport in Essex for five hours.

Each of the protesters must pay compensation of £60 to cover £3,000 worth of damage to the perimeter fence, which they cut through in the early hours of 8 December, and orders made for court costs totalled £570.

The district judge, John Perkins, said he accepted that the defendants wanted to put forward honestly-held beliefs that concerned them greatly, but their protest, which had involved chaining themselves to metal fencing near the runway, had caused substantial disruption to the airlines, airport and travelling public. This meant it deserved harsher punishment than a conditional discharge.



"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:37:51 AM EST
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is what anti-capitalism is, according to Sarkozy today. Capitalism must be reformed, but kept.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 06:03:53 AM EST
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Jerome a Paris:
Capitalism must be reformed, but kept.

I agree.

A disintermediated Capitalism without rentier/ intermediary profits is IMHO rapidly evolving.

But I doubt that's the sort of reform Sarko has in mind....

Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 07:37:49 AM EST
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FT.com / Brussels - EU stimulus plan poses `risk to debt refinancing'
The European Union's €200bn fiscal stimulus plan to conquer recession may harm the ability of some governments in the 27-nation bloc to refinance their debts, the Czech Republic's finance minister warned on Thursday.

Miroslav Kalousek, whose country took over the EU's rotating presidency on January 1, said EU governments were divided between advocates of extra deficit spending to overcome the recession and others that insisted on fiscal discipline.

Some of the hardest-hit countries, such as Ireland, Spain and the UK, are willing to let their deficits rise substantially, while others such as Belgium, Germany and Poland are emphasising the need to keep public finances under firm control.

Mr Kalousek, whose government is aligned with Germany in this debate, said: "There is no way of concealing the risks. There are risks attached to the expansion policy by means of which some countries want to tackle the crisis."



"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:27:13 AM EST
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FT.com / Europe - Sarkozy and Merkel warn on regulation
French President Nicolas Sarkozy and Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel on Thursday warned the US and the banking industry not to try to thwart European efforts to tighten regulation of global finance later this year.

The French and German leaders issued a blunt warning to the incoming administration of Barack Obama that Europe would set the agenda for the G20 summit of leading and emerging economies in London in April.

"In the 21st century there is no longer only one country that says what we should do and think," Mr Sarkozy told a conference in Paris on capitalism and ethics. "We do not accept the status quo, we won't accept immobility, we will not accept any return to a single way of thought," he added.

Ms Merkel told the conference that she would "react very strongly" if the financial community tried to block government efforts to tighten regulation.

The German chancellor made clear her desire that the new world financial order born out of the economic crisis should look like Germany's cherished "social market"

Ms Merkel also proposed the creation of "economic council" at the United Nations, akin to the security council. "We need new rules for the markets, but that will not be enough," she explained.

She called for the UN to draw up a "charter for reasonable long-term development" which could act as a yardstick for government policies.



"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:34:34 AM EST
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They are against regulation because it might be catastrophic to their political futures.
by paving on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:42:39 PM EST
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In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:56:12 PM EST
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"In the 21st century there is no longer only one country that says what we should do and think," Mr Sarkozy told a conference in Paris on capitalism and ethics. "We do not accept the status quo, we won't accept immobility, we will not accept any return to a single way of thought," he added.
Hugo Chávez, I command you to leave the body of Le Petit Nicolas.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:45:07 PM EST
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The Goscinny creation that fits Sarko isn't the definitely cute Petit Nicolas, but Iznogoud ! Who right now wants to be president of the EU instead of the president of the EU...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:02:12 AM EST
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Slight correction: Sarkozy wants to be President of the World...

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 11:11:23 AM EST
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Eventually ; but right now he is aiming for Europe.

I wonder how quickly depression would set in if he ever became president of the world without anything else to aim to...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 11:23:08 AM EST
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WORLD

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:03:06 PM EST
EUobserver

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Despite the carnage wrought by Israel on the civilian population of the Gaza Strip, the Jewish state's ambassador to the European Union, Ran Curiel, has said that the conflict should not have any effect on the planned upgrade of relations between Israel and the EU.

"I don't expect any change to the process of upgrading relations," he told a group of journalists in Brussels. "The positions of Israel and the EU are actually converging."

Israeli flag: it was announced in June last year to take relations between the two sides to a higher level

In June last year, the EU-Israel Association Council - the body headed by foreign ministers that conducts the bilateral relations between Israel and EU - announced an upgrade in relations between the two parties.

Accelerated negotiations were subsequently launched on the specific nature of the upgrade in three areas; increased diplomatic co-operation; participation in European plans and agencies; and possible Israeli integration into the European single market.

"We have done this [the assault on Gaza] reluctantly and without a choice," he said. "Our citizens are daily exposed to a sort of game of Russian roulette from the Hamas rockets. I don't know of any country that could allow its citizens to be subjected to such imminent danger without reacting."



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:06:03 PM EST
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EU Must Put Israel Rapprochement on Hold, Aid Agencies Say | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 07.01.2009
The European Union must put all hopes of building a closer relationship with Israel on hold until the fighting in the Gaza Strip ends, a group of leading aid agencies said Wednesday, Jan. 7.

It would be "inconceivable" for the EU to work for closer ties with Israel at a time when the humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip has been "pushed to crisis point" by Israel's assault on the salient, the statement by groups including Oxfam and the International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH) said.

 

"This is not the time to be awarding benefits to a party to the conflict ... The EU cannot proceed with upgrading its relations with Israel while such violations are taking place," FIDH president Souhayr Belhassen said in the joint statement.

 

Israel is a member of the EU's Neighborhood Policy, which is aimed at helping EU neighbors stabilize and improve their economic and political systems.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:10:27 PM EST
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EUobserver

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - European Union member states authorised the export of €200 million in arms exports to Israel in 2007, the latest figures from Brussels disclose, with France far and away the Jewish state's biggest European weapons supplier.

According to the EU's 2008 report on arms export licences, published in December for the 2007 calendar year and consolidating the accounts that member states must annually submit, 18 member states authorised a total of 1,018 such licences to Israel worth €199,409,348.

Machine guns: the EU sold €200 million of weapons to Israel in 2007

France, Germany and Romania were the top three exporters. France issued export licences worth €126 million, Germany authorised €28 million and Romania €17 million, the EUobserver can reveal.

In response to calls from opposition politicians that the UK government halt its arms exports to Israel and push all other EU member states to do the same, a British foreign office spokesperson said: "We do not approve any defence related exports if we judge that there is a risk that they will be used for external aggression or internal repression.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:06:39 PM EST
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EUobserver

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Pressure to obtain a ceasefire in Gaza has been mounting, with the EU warning Israel it was "destroying" its image, while Israeli forces on Tuesday (6 January) killed at least 40 people during an attack on a United Nations-run school in Gaza.

The Israeli attack on the Fakhora school in the northern town of Jabaliya, which also wounded around 100 people, was the deadliest single strike of the offensive so far and the third UN school to come under fire within 24 hours.

Calls have intensified for both sides to halt the violence. (

The bombing has drawn international condemnation, with the EU calling it "completely unacceptable."

"We think the attack is completely unacceptable and strongly condemn the fact that civilians were hit while sheltering themselves from the violence," said Cristina Gallach, spokesperson of EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:07:19 PM EST
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Comment not needed!It's all clear...
by vbo on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 09:38:28 PM EST
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My attitude entirely.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 06:20:09 AM EST
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British foreign office spokesperson said: "We do not approve any defence related exports if we judge that there is a risk that they will be used for external aggression or internal repression.
Did the spokesperson manage to keep a straight face, or was this a written release?  I wonder if John Stewart picked up on this?  It is worthy Python worthy.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:47:32 AM EST
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European Union member states authorised the export of €200 million in arms exports to Israel in 2007
They exported the arms exports?
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 07:19:16 AM EST
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That's called a derivative: you don't export the arms, you export the arms exports...;-)

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 07:47:29 AM EST
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Risk Free.  brilliant, Melancthon.  and such an explosive return on investment.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:02:17 AM EST
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World Waits for Signal, Obama Keeps Own Counsel on Gaza | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 07.01.2009
Incoming US President Barack Obama has said he will tackle the conflict in the Gaza Strip but only after taking office on Jan. 20. But many in the world think he should say now what he intends to do in the Middle East.

With pressure mounting on Obama to break his silence on the Gaza conflict, the President-Elect did issue a statement on Wednesday, January 7, if only to say concrete policies would be forthcoming.

 

"I am doing everything that we have to do to make sure that the day that I take office we are prepared to engage immediately in trying to deal with the situation there," Obama said at a news conference. "Not only the short-term situation but building a process whereby we can achieve a more lasting peace in the region."

 

When pressed by reporters, Obama repeated his justification that he was unable to do more before being officially sworn in.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:09:12 PM EST
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Israel urged to accept truce as Gaza fighting resumes | International | Reuters

GAZA (Reuters) - Hundreds of embattled Palestinians ventured outside to shop for food on Wednesday during a three-hour Gaza truce, a first step toward an Egyptian-proposed ceasefire under discussion by Israel and Hamas.

"Food and milk -- what else can we hope for in three hours," said Ahmed Abu Kamel, a father of six who lives near the city of Gaza. "We want it all to end."

Violence resumed in the area soon after the 1 p.m.-4 p.m. truce expired, and Palestinians returned to the precarious safety of their home after stocking up on food and visiting family and friends.

Israel said it would cease attacks in the Gaza Strip during those hours every day to ease the flow of aid to the Hamas-run territory's 1.5 million residents.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:11:11 PM EST
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Fighting resumes despite cautious welcome for Gaza ceasefire plan | World news | guardian.co.uk

Israel today gave a guarded welcome to a French and Egyptian plan to end the fighting in Gaza, as clashes between Israeli forces and Hamas resumed after a three-hour truce to allow humanitarian aid to reach trapped civilians.

Hundreds of people took to the streets of the Palestinian territory during the hiatus to shop and visit relatives, despite reports of continued exchanges of fire in the northern Gaza Strip.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:11:58 PM EST
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Gaza clashes resume after truce - Middle East, World - The Independent

Clashes between Israeli forces and Palestinian gunmen resumed in the city of Gaza this afternoon after the expiration of a three-hour truce to allow in humanitarian aid, residents said.

Residents of the northern Gaza Strip had reported exchanges of fire between Israeli soldiers and Hamas militants during the temporary truce period. In the city of Gaza, hundreds had taken to the streets during the hiatus, shopping and visiting relatives.

Meanwhile both sides said they were studying an Egyptian proposal for a ceasefire. This came as international pressure mounted against Israel over its12-day-old assault following the deaths of 42 Palestinians at a UN school in the coastal enclave



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:14:12 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Israel accepts truce 'principles'

Israel has agreed "on the principles" of a ceasefire proposal, raising hopes of an end to its conflict with Palestinian militants in Gaza.

"The challenge now is to get the details to match the principles," Israeli spokesman Mark Regev said.

The Palestinian militant group Hamas said there were "positive signs but no agreement yet".

The development came as Israel halted military operations in Gaza for three hours to aid humanitarian efforts.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:16:05 PM EST
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India says all options open to dismantle terror groups | International | Reuters

NEW DELHI/ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - India said on Wednesday it would keep all options open to dismantle "terror outfits" after the Mumbai attacks and Pakistan finally confirmed the lone surviving gunman was Pakistani.

Pakistan's Prime Minister dismissed his national security adviser shortly afterwards. India had been saying for weeks that Mohammed Ajmal Kasab, who was captured after the November attacks, was from Pakistan.

The prime minister's office said Mehmood Ali Durrani had been sacked "for his irresponsible behavior for not taking the prime minister and other stakeholders into confidence, and a lack of coordination on matters of national security."

Indian officials have shown increasing frustration at what they see as Pakistan's unwillingness to fully investigate the attacks in November by 10 gunmen that killed 179 people.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:11:34 PM EST
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Indian Mumbai dossier details gunmen's calls with handlers | World news | guardian.co.uk

Details of macabre conversations of the gunmen who rampaged through Mumbai for three days have been revealed in the Indian government's dossier against Pakistan, which has appeared on the internet.

The dossier, which was put online by Indian newspapers, had been the central plank of New Delhi's diplomatic offensive against Islamabad, where it claims the 10 terrorists were trained, equipped and dispatched.

It charts the careful planning and blunders made by the gunmen. It has pictures of grenades, guns, pickles, tissue paper and a Mountain Dew bottle that were all made in Pakistan.

India has said the bloody mayhem, which left more than 170 dead, was directed by senior leaders of Lashkar-e-Taiba, a Pakistan-based militant group.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:13:41 PM EST
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Obama picks CNN's Sanjay Gupta as surgeon general | World news | guardian.co.uk

Barack Obama has asked the CNN medical correspondent Dr Sanjay Gupta to join his fledgling administration as the US surgeon general, according to reports.

According to washingtonpost.com, the 39-year-old doctor is "the Obama team's first choice" to become America's most senior public health official.

Although Gupta has not commented on the matter, the Post claims that he wants the job and is undergoing final vetting. CNN has confirmed Gupta has been approached by the president-elect's transition team.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:12:54 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | World | Africa | Ghana's new leader takes office

ohn Atta Mills has been sworn in as Ghana's new president following a cliff-hanger election victory.

Mr Atta Mills, 64, took his oath of allegiance in front of thousands of people in Independence Square for the inauguration in the capital, Accra.

The National Democratic Congress (NDC) candidate beat the ruling party's Nana Akufo-Addo in a hotly contested poll by a margin of less than 0.5% of votes.

President John Kufuor has stood down after serving the maximum two terms.

He is the second elected head of state in Ghana's history to hand over to an opposition politician.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:16:28 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Business | US deficit 'to hit $1 trillion'

The sharp slowdown in the US economy will push the federal budget deficit to more than $1 trillion, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) says.

The deficit of $1.186 trillion for the fiscal year ending on 30 September would be the largest on record.

The projected deficit does not include the extra $800bn spending being planned by US President-elect Barack Obama.

But it highlights the deep economic difficulties facing Mr Obama when he is inaugurated on 20 January.

The CBO says that the slowing economy will lead to the US budget deficit more than doubling from last year's figure of $455bn.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:17:34 PM EST
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Talking Points Memo | Don't Get No Respect
There's been a lot of griping recently from the Right about how there are no web-native news outlets on the right, or that they aren't seen as having a lot of credibility or that the people who write for them get no respect. And then you read that Pajamas Media, the right-leaning blog outfit started a few years back with a crazy amount of VC money just hired Joe the Plumber to be their new war correspondent in Israel.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 05:38:28 PM EST
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Why do you hate the working man, you sneering elitist?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 03:00:26 AM EST
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On this side of the pond at least, talk radio is the turf of the working class--truck drivers, farmers, construction workers--while blogs are the toys of the educated--students, engineers, professionals. All the blogs in the world will not affect the views of my Nebraska cousin who has a dial-up modem connection to the Internet.

What is really amazing is how lousy the "liberal" talk radio shows are. It is a mystery to me how leftists in Hollywood can sell all their other trash, but can't figure out how to compete with a bonehead like Rush Lamebrain and his ilk...

by asdf on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:19:12 AM EST
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TRS: Hackers take down ring of key progressive blogs

The affected blogs include American Liberalism Project, BeThink, Blue Hampshire, Blue Jersey, Blue Mass. Group, Minnesota Progressive Project, My Left Wing, Never In Our Names, Pam's House Blend, RadicalRuss, Swing State Project and West Michigan Rising and other mostly state-focused political blogs of note.

"I wish I could see a bright side to this," blogger Pam Spaulding, founder, editor and publisher of Pam's House Blend, told PageOneQ. "It's incredible that years of hard work can be destroyed in a flash, but we're in the digital age and there are people motivated to silence voices through malicious acts. I'm hopeful that data will be recovered..."




You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:03:41 AM EST
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Mmm. I think the bloggers are making a mistake trying to suggest this attack has something to do with the views expressed on those blogs. From some of the information kicking about, it seems that the so-called "shadowy group" claiming responsibility is a site offering free 'sploits' for lazy h4x0r5. I.e. it would be more likely that the server was targeted in a effort to gain another zombie machine to run spamming and phishing crap from. The sploits generally work by sending various malformed URLs trying to get trough to the server 'interior' to take it over. So, it is possibly, and maybe even likely, that the attack had nothing to do with silencing anyone in particular.

And I must say, it is the responsibility of the server owner/operator to protect against script kiddies, and to keep protected backups of all material to enable recovery in case of attacks. Whining after the fact, and hoping to catch the guilty is unlikely to be very productive as sploiters are generally hosted in countries making such investigations difficult, and located all over the world.

From some info going over Dkos yesterday, it seems these sites had not spent adequate money on their programmers and server administrators to do the job done right. (In fact, it is just one guy, working half-time, and having problems getting paid promptly.) So perhaps they should look inward, rather than outward, to fix their problems, rather than assign blame.

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 06:11:44 AM EST
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Agree entirely about causes and reasons.  but the "Shadowy group" is more likely to be a couple of teenagers in their bedrooms at some point in the world who've named themselves after their favourite source of  scripts and hacks, rather than anyone directly connected to the site they claim connection to. Astalavista has been up for a very long time in the security universe, and if they were actively involved there would have been serious attempts to shut them down.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 06:30:37 AM EST
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It seems as tho the community have pulled together a bit and with a lot of remote support, it's back up. Only one server was down although the others are still suspect. Nevertheless, the sites it hosted are back up but without guarantees of service.

Pam;s House blend at least is considering its hosting options

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 07:12:20 AM EST
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I don't understand why this happened at all. Managed hosting, with backups, is hardly a cripplingly expensive commodity. Bodging together an amateur solution and getting upset when some eleven year olds take it down doesn't seem very profesional.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 07:51:16 AM EST
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I understand that the site used a variant of scoop that was uniquely attractive to the sort of ground up blogging favoured by the liberal left.

As someone pointed out, it's a bit of an amateur effort, not helped by some people not paying bills.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:40:23 AM EST
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Yes, a real shame


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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 06:15:58 AM EST
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Obama Says He Will Seek Overhaul of Retiree Spending - NYTimes.com

WASHINGTON -- President-elect Barack Obama said Wednesday that overhauling Social Security and Medicare would be "a central part" of his administration's efforts to contain federal spending, signaling for the first time that he would wade into the thorny politics of entitlement programs.

As the Congressional Budget Office projected a record $1.2 trillion budget deficit for this year even before the costs of the nearly $800 billion economic stimulus package being taken up by the House and the Senate, Mr. Obama stepped up his effort to reassure lawmakers and the financial markets that he plans a vigorous effort to keep the government's finances from deteriorating further.



"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:44:11 AM EST
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China Is Losing Its Taste for U.S. Debt - NYTimes.com

HONG KONG -- China has bought more than $1 trillion of American debt, but as the global downturn has intensified, Beijing is starting to keep more of its money at home, a move that could have painful effects for American borrowers.

The declining Chinese appetite for United States debt, apparent in a series of hints from Chinese policy makers over the last two weeks, with official statistics due for release in the next few days, comes at an inconvenient time.

On Tuesday, President-elect Barack Obama predicted the possibility of trillion-dollar deficits "for years to come," even after an $800 billion stimulus package. Normally, China would be the most avid taker of the debt required to pay for those deficits, mainly short-term Treasuries, which are government i.o.u.'s.

In the last five years, China has spent as much as one-seventh of its entire economic output buying foreign debt, mostly American. In September, it surpassed Japan as the largest overseas holder of Treasuries.

But now Beijing is seeking to pay for its own $600 billion stimulus -- just as tax revenue is falling sharply as the Chinese economy slows. Regulators have ordered banks to lend more money to small and medium-size enterprises, many of which are struggling with lower exports, and to local governments to build new roads and other projects.



"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:47:29 AM EST
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It is ParsingWordsTimeTM again.

"...largest overseas holder of Treasuries."

Indeed, that is true according to this chart:
http://www.treas.gov/tic/mfh.txt

But to be clear, so that we can address all the boogie-men (and women, and others) at one time, we should be clear...According to the chart on page 48 at:
http://www.fms.treas.gov/bulletin/b2008-4.pdf

Total Public Debt - 10,025 Billion
Foriegn and International - 2,862 Billion

What is the rest, pray tell? A lot of it is the government loaning money that it has borrowed from its future self, or something like that. For example, the Social Security money is there...kind of...it has actually been spent in the napalm-soaked forests of Viet Nam and the Depleted Uranium saturated sands of West Asia...but since it loaned that money to the Feds, it is actually borrowing that somehow as well.

I'm still too shook up - having just learned that I pay taxes to the two largest suppliers of the weapons 'sold' to Israel, France and the US - I can't be expected to figure this out.

Googling "House of Freaking Card with No Chance of Holding Up or Getting Rebuilt" gave me "See Roman and English Empires"

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 07:25:46 AM EST
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THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:03:27 PM EST