European Salon de News, Discussion et Klatsch -13. January

by Fran
Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 02:47:42 PM EST

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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 02:48:26 PM EST
This WEEK in the European Union - EUobserver

EUOBSERVER / WEEKLY AGENDA - MEPs will gather in Strasbourg for the first legislative session of 2009 with a debate with Czech prime minister Mirek Topolanek on Wednesday to fill the most seats in the chamber. MEPs are likely to grill Mr Topolanek, currently chairing the EU, on the state of play with the EU's Lisbon treaty.

MEPs will discuss air security issues in Strasbourg

The charter, containing several new rules on the institutional functioning of the bloc, has not yet been through parliament in the Czech Republic. It faces a difficult run having become embroiled in domestic politics. In addition, it has a high-profile critic in Vaclav Klaus, the outspoken eurosceptic and president of the ex-communist country.

Deputies are also set to quiz the Czech prime minister on his plans for relations with Russia as well as on the EU's approach to the on-going conflict in the Middle East.

Meanwhile, the tenth anniversary of the single European currency, the euro, will be marked on Tuesday with a debate attended by eurogroup president Jean-Claude Juncker, European Central Bank chief Jean-Claude Trichet and Joaquin Almunia, the economic affairs commissioner. Former president of France Valéry Giscard d'Estaing will also be present for the debate which will take place against the backdrop of the global financial crisis.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 02:53:03 PM EST
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Nuclear fears as danger plant is reopened in gas war with Russia - Times Online

Fears were raised yesterday over a decision to restart a potentially dangerous decommissioned nuclear power plant in the centre of Europe because of a shortage of gas caused by Russia's dispute with Ukraine.

Slovakia, defying undertakings given when it joined the European Union, said that it would reactivate a Soviet-style nuclear generator that has a record of safety problems because it had received no Russian gas since last Thursday.

Russia again found a reason to delay turning the taps back on yesterday, despite an agreement brokered by Mirek Topolanek, the Czech Prime Minister, on behalf of the EU, which was signed by Russian and Ukrainian leaders at the weekend.

President Medvedev said last night that the agreement allowing EU monitors to check on the flow of gas was no longer valid because Ukraine had attached a hand-written document contradicting the deal.

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 02:57:20 PM EST
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Good grief, next he'll be claiming he had his fingers crossed behind his back.

to which the Ukraine will declare that it was opposite day.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 05:04:33 PM EST
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As noted below:
At issue was a handwritten phrase that Ms. Tymoshenko wrote beside her signature early Sunday morning, after the document had already been signed by Mr. Putin. In English, she wrote, "with declaration attached."

Ms. Tymoshenko didn't become a billionaire by not playing the game her way.

In fact, she had spent time in prison a few years ago for doing exactly what her "declaration attached" asserts innocence for....wait for the surprise..."arrested on charges of forging customs documents and smuggling of gas between 1995 and 1997 (while president of United Energy Systems of Ukraine) but was released several weeks later." [sorry for using her wikipedia page as source]

As JoP has mentioned, this is a much bigger game that we are being allowed to see. My theory is that the Russians are playing a long game of getting little changes from the Ukraine every year and now it is getting to a turning point...so, as order is put into the system, disorder comes blaring out as propaganda and corruption at all the seams.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 09:49:02 AM EST
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Taxpayer foots bill as homeless Polish workers are repatriated - Times Online

Taxpayers are funding the repatriation of hundreds of homeless Eastern European immigrants who have been living on the streets.

Hundreds of thousands of pounds is being spent annually on travel costs for the immigrants, mainly Polish, who have been unable to find work in Britain and have no access to benefits.

Local authorities and charities are using government grants to fund one-way bus and air tickets, with one London council spending £100,000 on the scheme in the past year alone.

The strategy is to be widened this week in response to the recession, which has left increasing numbers in need of help.

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 02:58:02 PM EST
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Once a decent conservative newspaper of record, the Times has gone to Sun and Mail populist drek tabloid level under Mr Rupert Murdoch. Here, in an article by a journalist named Fiona, (for whom "hundreds of thousands of pounds" is singular), the important angle is that taxpayers are paying. That's what Thatcher always bitched about, and snotty Middle England made her.

The comments under the article do show some humanity. I'll back this one:

Taxpayer foots bill as homeless Polish workers are repatriated - Times Online

Please do not forget, that vast majority of Polish guys very hard working and living in UK also pay taxes to UK government. And all this money spent on helping homeless Poles is a small fraction of those taxes.
It is nice to get cheap labour and get taxes from those Polish guys, right?

Krzysztof, Warsaw, Poland

But I can't help quoting this one from someone writing in defence of immigrants:

There is a key difference between coming to the UK to work and being of the white underclass born into the benefits system and to a teenage single parent aged 13.

Europe may be doomed, but Britain is fucked.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 04:48:05 PM EST
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Yup, the sense of entitlement is sucking all the air  out of the room.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 05:07:21 PM EST
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EU emergency meeting to discuss how to loosen Russia's gas stranglehold - Telegraph
European Union energy ministers will meet on Monday to discuss how to loosen Russia's gas stranglehold over Europe and what can be done to prevent any future repetition of this winter's energy crisis as millions of people continue to freeze.

Deep divisions are expected to surface over a decision by Slovakia to reactivate a Soviet-era nuclear power plant to tackle the crisis, a move that would in breach of the country's EU membership conditions.

Ed Miliband, the Energy and Environment Secretary, will hear the latest news on the Russia-Ukraine gas crisis which dragged on yesterday as some EU countries entered the fifth day without supplies.

"This is an opportunity to avoid a repetition of the latest crisis by looking at what can be done to reduce the EU's dependency in the medium and long term," said a British diplomat.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 02:58:40 PM EST
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EU Ministers Call Emergency Meeting Amid Europe's Gas Crisis | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 12.01.2009
EU says conditions have been met for Moscow to lift its blockade over gas supplies through Ukranian pipelines. The bloc's ministers want to develop other energy sources to reduce their dependance on Russia.

European Union energy ministers planned Monday to call on Russia to resume gas supplies to Europe during an emergency meeting in Brussels.

"The ministers will call on Russia to restore the gas supplies," the meeting's host, Czech Energy Minister Martin Riman, said on behalf of the bloc's presidency.

Since all of the conditions set by Moscow have been fulfilled, "Russia has no reason not to restore the gas supplies immediately," Riman told journalists ahead of the meeting.

Monday afternoon's talks are designed to shape "concrete measures" needed by the bloc to deal with the gas shortages, provoked by Russia blocking all supplies destined for Europe via Ukrainian pipelines.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 02:59:08 PM EST
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Gas Deal in Europe Is Undone and Redone - NYTimes.com

In a flurry of shuttle diplomacy over the weekend, the Czech prime minister, Mirek Topolanek, secured the signature of Russia's prime minister, Vladimir V. Putin, in Moscow and then flew to Kiev, where Ukraine's prime minister, Yulia V. Tymoshenko, also signed the agreement.

Yet by late Sunday, the off-again-on-again deal appeared to be off again. Russia's president, Dmitri A. Medvedev, was quoted by Russian news agencies as saying he would not honor the pact.

At issue was a handwritten phrase that Ms. Tymoshenko wrote beside her signature early Sunday morning, after the document had already been signed by Mr. Putin. In English, she wrote, "with declaration attached."

Ms. Tymoshenko's declaration, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times, said that Ukraine had not been guilty of stealing gas from the export pipelines, a statement essentially asking Moscow to backpedal on the allegation that had underpinned its justification for halting shipments to Europe.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 03:01:01 PM EST
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At issue was a handwritten phrase that Ms. Tymoshenko wrote beside her signature early Sunday morning, after the document had already been signed by Mr. Putin. In English, she wrote, "with declaration attached."

Well, unbelievable!
What a low life are those ex-Soviet state's politicians.First Georgia now Ukraine.Scum!
by vbo on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 01:27:24 AM EST
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Politicians, eh? Can't live without them, can't shoot them in the arse.

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$E(X_t|F_s) = X_s,\quad t > s$
by martingale on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 05:54:00 AM EST
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Yeah...but they create circumstances in which we HAVE to live.Must be more then just elections available for us to discipline them...I do not understand how they managed to produce immunity for themselves  so that they are not responsible and accountable in accord to law like everybody else???Probably because jails would be fully packed if it's not so...
by vbo on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 07:17:33 PM EST
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Another Winter of Discontent: Europe Fails to Wean Itself off Russian Gas - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

The dispute between Russia and Ukraine seems to have been resolved, but the question of blame remains. Did Moscow deliberately risk allowing half of Europe to go without heat merely to teach Kiev a lesson? Whoever is to blame it is clear that neither Brussels nor Berlin did much over the past few years to avert the crisis.

Oleg Dubina, 49, the chairman of the Ukrainian state-owned energy company Naftogaz, looks like he has been up all night. With deep rings under his hooded eyes, he sits in conference room ASP 5G3 at the European Parliament in Brussels. Dubina is considered the most adept crisis manager in the former Soviet republic.

When he flew to Brussels via Moscow last Thursday his most important, and no less cunning, opponent in the current game of poker over natural gas in Europe was sitting only a few seats away: Alexei Miller, the head of the Russian gas company Gazprom. On that same day, Europeans were growing increasingly indignant over the consequences of the latest natural gas dispute in the eastern part of the continent.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 03:03:16 PM EST
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It's gonna be interesting to see how this pans out. This could be a classic case where everybody loses.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 05:17:36 PM EST
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except the wind and nuclear industries ;)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 03:56:55 AM EST
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We had a couple of windless days across the whole of the UK last week and now the received wisdom is "you can't rely on windpower, it always lets you down when you need it"

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 06:15:50 AM EST
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Germany Offers Obama Deeper Partnership: 'The US and Europe Standing Shoulder to Shoulder' - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

In a letter to Barack Obama, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier offers the US president-elect a "new dimension of cooperation" in trans-Atlantic relations. He foresees the US and Europe standing shoulder to shoulder and says Germany will "step up its contribution" to help create a stable Iraq.

United States President-elect Barack Obama

Dear Barack Obama:

Last July, hundreds of thousands gathered before the Victory Column in Berlin to hear your vision of a better America and a more peaceful world. Your words moved millions of TV viewers. You rekindled the American dream for which countless people the world over have admired your country for more than 200 years, the dream of a society that has the power to change, that is open to new ideas, and that gives those with courage room to take their destiny into their own hands.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 03:04:30 PM EST
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European cities fill with protests against Gaza war -EUobserver

Hundreds of thousands marched in cities across the continent to protest Israel's war on Gaza over the weekend in the biggest pan-European demonstrations the continent has seen since those against the launch of the Iraq war in 2003.

The largest protests took place in Spain, with some 250,000 rallying in Madrid on Saturday (10 January) and another 100,000 in Barcelona, according to organisers. Police declined to give their own estimate for Madrid, but reckoned 30,000 marched through the Catalonian capital.

A girl in Brussels protests Israel's war on Gaza

Massive protests also took place in London, Brussels and throughout France. Sizeable demonstrations also took place in German and Italian cities, as well as Athens, Thessaloniki, Budapest, Bregenz, Oslo and Stockholm.

Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Zapatero, the first European leader to take part in such rallies, addressed a protest in Ourense.

"It is my duty to call on Israel to implement an immediate cease-fire," he told the protest, which as with others throughout the country, was organised by NGOs, trade unions and the prime minister's own Socialist Workers' Party, the PSOE.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 03:05:55 PM EST
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so it's not newsworthy.

But two punks sending a Molotov cocktail against a synagogue (a nasty act, but not a very meaningful nor momentous one) get flu front page headlines and outraged statements by all authorities of the State.

Sigh... At least France is not accused of being antisemitic (yet?)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 03:59:24 AM EST
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I am surprised that here in Australia news are coming from both sides.
by vbo on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 07:48:49 PM EST
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I admire Zapatero and Spanish people for this...He is first of those in power to protest. And other parts of Europe are opening their eyes slowly...but Palestinian children are dieing in the main time...
by vbo on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 07:32:58 PM EST
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Irish poll shows majority support for Lisbon Treaty -EUobserver

A new poll suggests that a majority of Irish voters may back the Lisbon Treaty in a second referendum set to be held this year.

The Sunday Independent / Quantum Research survey carried out last Friday showed that 55 percent of the 500 people asked would support the treaty while 37 percent said they would oppose it and 15 percent said they were undecided.

A second referendum is to be held this year

These latest figures showed a strong rise in support (plus 16%) for the charter when compared to a survey carried out by the same newspaper in December. Those saying they would vote against the treaty decreased by seven percent.

The poll comes after EU leaders in December agreed to give Ireland guarantees that the treaty would not affect issues such as tax and neutrality.

Ireland's deteriorating economy is likely to be an important factor behind the change of heart, with many still shocked and angered by last week's announcement that 1,900 jobs at the Dell plant in Limerick are to be transferred to Poland.

The poll also shows a steep decline in support for the government and Prime Minister Brian Cowen and a corresponding rise in support for opposition parties and in particular Labour leader Eamon Gilmore.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 03:06:45 PM EST
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urvey carried out last Friday showed that 55 percent of the 500 people asked would support the treaty while 37 percent said they would oppose it and 15 percent said they were undecided.

55% + 37% +15% = 107% ...

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char

by Melanchthon on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 03:48:01 PM EST
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Maybe they surveyed Ulster as well by mistake :-))

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 05:22:13 PM EST
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EU citizens believe "We are more intelligent together" - NEW EUROPE - The European News Source
The European Commission has admitted that the European Union citizens feel that collective decisions are better for the EU in general but especially in the field of science and technological research. Citing a new qualitative study regarding the image of science and the perceptions and attitudes on the European research policy of the EU citizens, the Commission said,

"The study shows that the predominant hopes and fears are concentrated on subjects that are perceived as concretely affecting peoples' daily lives or likely to affect them." "These results are particularly encouraging: they prove science matters to people and that the Commission's objective to build the European Research Area is going in the good direction" said European Science and Research Commissioner Janez Potocnik. "European citizens believe in science as a tool of progress and support a more cooperative European approach to science and technology policy. Pooling brains and resources is key to make the EU competitive globally: we are more intelligent together than on our own!".

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 03:30:01 PM EST
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Catholics ordered to keep quiet over Virgin visions | Independent | 13.01.09
Catholics who claim they have seen the Virgin Mary will be forced to remain silent about the apparitions until a team of psychologists, theologians, priests and exorcists have fully investigated their claims under new Vatican guidelines aimed at stamping out false claims of miracles.

The Pope has instructed the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, formerly the Holy Office of the Inquisition, to draw up a new handbook to help bishops snuff out an explosion of bogus heavenly apparitions.

[...]

The visionaries will then be visited by a team of psychiatrists, either atheists or Catholics, to certify their mental health while theologians will assess the content of any heavenly messages to see if they contravene Church teachings.


by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 03:17:50 AM EST
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Beyond comment really

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 06:19:07 AM EST
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I love the way that the virgins message has to be checked to see whether it contravenes the churches teachings. I can just imagine that conversation.


Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 06:36:32 AM EST
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That's the part that really makes the whole thing surreal.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 06:37:55 AM EST
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She's a chick. You need a penis to be able to do theology. Well known fact.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 06:39:03 AM EST
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It's a cross we have to bear....

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 06:41:38 AM EST
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I looked up the original article in Petrus. Seems that the Vatican is quite aware of modern technology:

In tal senso, chi è oggetto di accertamenti da parte dell'autorità ecclesiastica, sarà chiamato a consegnare alla Commissione insediata dalla Diocesi anche le apparecchiature informatiche in suo possesso, compresi i personal computer, per consentire di verificare se abbia mai effettuato ricerche in materia di apparizioni in Internet, uno strumento ricco di informazioni per chi volesse `copiare' o imparare da veri veggenti il senso teologico di messaggi celesti.In that sense, a person who is under investigation by the
Church will also be expected to deliver to the Commission established by the Diocese all equipment in his possession, including personal computers, to make it possible to verify whether he has ever researched heavenly apparitions on the Internet, which is a rich source of information for those wishing to 'copy' or learn from true visionaries the meaning of celestial messages.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 04:23:41 PM EST
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Really...
by vbo on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 07:57:17 PM EST
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ECONOMY AND FINANCES
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 02:49:03 PM EST
Experts: German Stimulus Package Will Breach EU Deficit Rules | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 12.01.2009
A supplementary budget by the German government to stimulate the economy is expected to breach a cap on public spending imposed by the European Union, some officials in Berlin said Sunday.

Speaking a day before the three parties in Chancellor Angela Merkel's coalition meet to discuss injecting 50 billion euros ($68 billion) into the economy, a finance ministry spokesman said whatever was decided would be promptly put into effect.

 

The federal government is expected to spend somewhat less than 50 billion euros, but argues that grants and tax cuts could seed that amount in additional spending during this year and next.

 

While the ministry offered no comment on the effects of the supplementary budget, research staff of the Christian Democratic caucus in parliament reportedly suggested the bill this year might be 30 billion euros.

 

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 02:55:33 PM EST
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But it's constitutional:

Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany (Grundgesetz, GG)

Article 115 [Borrowing]

(1) The borrowing of funds and the assumption of surety obligations, guarantees, or other commitments that may lead to expenditures in future fiscal years shall require authorization by a federal law specifying or permitting computation of the amounts involved. Revenue obtained by borrowing shall not exceed the total of investment expenditures provided for in the budget; exceptions shall be permissible only to avert a disturbance of the overall economic equilibrium. Details shall be regulated by a federal law.



"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 03:08:55 AM EST
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Savings rates hit record low, says Bank of England - Telegraph
The return on savings dived to a record low last month as figures showed deposit accounts pay average interest of less than 1 per cent.

Figures from the Bank of England revealed that the interest paid on notice accounts, tax-free Individual Savings Accounts (Isas) and bonds last month was the lowest since records began in 1995.

And the average return on instant access accounts was just 0.81 per cent, it said.

It is the latest evidence of how savings rates have fallen drastically following consecutive cuts in the Bank rate.

It comes as The Daily Telegraph campaigns for savers, particularly pensioners, to be offered tax cuts on the income they earn on their savings.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 03:07:10 PM EST
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We're well on our way to solving this debt-fuelled crisis. Not.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 04:01:12 AM EST
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Volkswagen sets sales record in 2008, despite downturn | The Australian

GERMAN automaker Volkswagen set a sales record in 2008 and expanded its market share in key markets the United States and Germany despite a global economic crisis.

And the company is aiming for another banner year in 2009, said executives at the North American International Auto Show, where VW unveiled its first two-seater roadster with much glitz and fanfare.

"We have kept our promise,'' said chair Martin Winterkorn. "The Volkswagen Group delivered more vehicles than ever before in the difficult year of 2008.

"With growing shares on the world market and major single markets, including Germany and the USA, we expanded our position further.

"This shows that our group's multi-brand strategy is paying off and our young and attractive model range is popular with customers all over the world.''

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 03:08:19 PM EST
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Daimler's Smart Car Sales Defy Global Financial Downturn | Business | Deutsche Welle | 13.01.2009
Carmaker Daimler's miniature Smart car has had success in the difficult US market, with more models sold there than any other country apart from Germany and Italy.

Roger Penske, the head of the Penske Group, a Detroit-based dealership chain that has partnered with German auto company Daimler to distribute Smart cars, said the figures were surprising considering sales "didn't really get started until February (2008)."

 

Daimler said it had expected to sell around 16,000 units of the French-made two-seater, but that this figure was bettered by more than 8,000 additional vehicle sales.

 

The new Smart even seems to have defied current auto sales trends in the US, which have been in freefall since the credit crunch took hold. There is a six-month waiting list for the Smart.

 

[...]

 

Penske said that 55 percent of prospects who placed a $99 Internet deposit to reserve a Smart car had eventually gone through with purchasing one of the vehicles.



"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 03:10:52 AM EST
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Sold in America? A two-seater? What has the world come to?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 04:02:31 AM EST
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Europe. Is. Doomed.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 04:01:44 AM EST
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PLEASE LOOK AFTER THIS BEAR. THANK YOU.

'GBP' Erased, Is this common knowledge in the UK? |  Telegraph | 12 Jan 2009

Reform plan raises fears of Bank secrecy

he Government is set to throw out the 165-year old law that obliges the Bank to publish a weekly account of its balance sheet - a move that will allow it theoretically to embark covertly on so-called quantitative easing. The Banking Bill, which is currently passing through Parliament, abolishes a key section of the law laid down by Robert Peel's Government in 1844 which originally granted the Bank the sole right to print UK money.

The ostensible reason for the reform, which means the Bank will not have to print details of its own accounts and the amount of notes and coins flowing through the UK economy, is to allow the Bank more power to overhaul troubled financial institutions in the future, under its Special Resolution Authority. ...

The Bank said it will still publish details of its balance sheet, but, significantly, the data - the main indicator of the extent of quantitative easing - will not be presented until more than a month has elapsed. For instance, under the new terms of the law, if the Bank were to have embarked on a policy of quantitative easing last month, the figures on this would not be published until the end of this month.



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by MarketTrustee on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 09:08:42 PM EST
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Gah!

This is like the suspension of M3 statistics by the US Fed in 2006.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 02:29:14 AM EST
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At least the Fed did it before crisis hit, not after!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 04:03:27 AM EST
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The cure to the crisis of trust is making things less transparant?
by Nomad on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 03:50:49 AM EST
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What the crisis is making them do, you don't even want to see.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 06:38:50 AM EST
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WORLD
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 02:49:24 PM EST
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Israelis 'edge into urban Gaza'

Israeli forces are moving slowly into Gaza's most densely populated areas, reports say, as they continue air and ground attacks on Hamas militants.

Some reservists are in action on the ground, but the army denied escalating the war to a "third phase" - an all-out push on Gaza City and other towns.

Air strikes also continued through the day against 25 "targets" across the Gaza Strip, the Israeli military said.

Nearly 30 rockets or mortars were fired on Israel from Gaza.

Overnight on Sunday fewer air strikes were carried out - 12 compared with as many as 60 on previous nights.

Israeli spokesman Mark Regev said Hamas's military machine was taking "serious punishment" and Israel was "advancing towards the end game".

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 02:54:56 PM EST
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'Soon we'll have nowhere left to run. Nowhere in Gaza is safe' - Middle East, World - The Independent

We've left our home. Like 60,000 other Gazans, we've taken our belongings and fled. Once again, we've become displaced people. Soon, there will be nowhere to run to, since nowhere in Gaza is safe. In the early hours of Saturday, the bombing got louder and closer to our home, and the rattle of machine-gun fire became more intense. The tanks were not far off.

As I lay in the dark, I heard the sound of small-arms fire and voices in the street outside. Since the Israeli offensive began, our city streets have been deserted during the hours of darkness; even the dogs that usually annoy us with their all-night barking have vanished. The voices were Palestinian militants: "Stay close to the wall!" "Go by the wall!", I could hear them shouting to each other. I didn't dare go to the window, fearing snipers, but tried listening to the radio. The FM stations run by Palestinian factions had no information, just talk about the "heroic actions" of their militants.

My thoughts went to my wife, Alaa, so, at dawn, I phoned her. Alaa is nine months pregnant and we evacuated her last week to her parents' place in the western part of the city. As I expected, she was in a state of panic.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 02:56:36 PM EST
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Al Jazeera provides an inside look at Gaza conflict - International Herald Tribune

NEW YORK: Last June, Al Jazeera English produced a report from Gaza about a young couple who were preparing to marry during the relative calm of the cease-fire between Hamas and the Israeli government, a time when they could finally shop for furniture and, as the reporter put it, let themselves "dream that a happy life together is within reach."

Today that reporter, Ayman Mohyeldin, a former CNN producer, can be seen with a helmet and flak jacket answering questions from an anchor back in the studio in Doha, Qatar, describing the Israeli bombing and ground campaign in Gaza designed to stop Hamas missiles from being fired into Israel.

In a conflict where the Western news media have been largely prevented from reporting from Gaza because of restrictions imposed by the Israeli military, Al Jazeera has had a distinct advantage. It was already there.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 02:56:59 PM EST
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Tony Blair: Gaza ceasefire within reach - Telegraph

The former British Prime Minister who works as the Middle East envoy for world powers spoke in Cairo where truce talks between Egyptian officials and a Hamas delegation were underway. Israel postponed a Cairo trip by Amos Gilad, its top envoy to the talks, in an attempt to put pressure on Hamas to agree to the emerging settlement.

Mr Blair said the negotiations which centre on future efforts to stop Hamas smuggling weapons into the Gaza Strip were at a "sensitive stage".

But he said that "the elements of an agreement" for a ceasefire "are there" and that officials were working "very hard" to reach their goal.

Israel is threatening to mobilise its reserve forces to mount a broad scale invasion of the Palestinian territory if a ceasefire, which would see rocket attacks on Israel dry up, is not reached.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 03:07:41 PM EST
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wtf would he know ?? He's a stranger to most of the main men in this play, they've only ever seen him on TV. Yet I bet they all know he's a prat too.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 05:28:15 PM EST
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He's decided he has to look as if he's actually done something as Quartet Envoy and is now Right On The Ball.

Reminds me of the Jean Cocteau line: These mysteries are beyond us, so let's pretend we're the organizers.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 03:18:45 AM EST
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Gaza crisis imperils 2-state plan - International Herald Tribune

CAIRO: With every image of the dead in Gaza inflaming people across the Arab world, Egyptian and Jordanian officials are worried that they see a fundamental tenet of the Middle East peace process slipping away: the so-called two-state solution, an independent Palestinian state coexisting with Israel.

Egypt and Jordan fear that they will be pressed to absorb the Palestinian populations now living beyond their borders. If Israel does not assume responsibility for humanitarian aid in Gaza, for example, pressure could compel Egypt to fill the vacuum; Jordan, in turn, worries that Israel will try to push Palestinians from the West Bank into its territory.

In that case, both states fear, they could become responsible for policing the conflict between the Palestinians and Israel, undermining their peace treaties with Israel.

The Palestinian cause has always been an explosive, emotional and destabilizing one for Arab states. Islamist parties have scored points with the public by making much of traditional Arab leaders' failure to help the Palestinians. The Gaza conflict, by reigniting these passions, is deepening regional rivalries and further upending traditional balances of power.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 03:09:07 PM EST
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TPM: News Pages | Talking Points Memo | Israel bans Arab parties from coming election

JOSEF FEDERMAN
AP News

Israel on Monday banned Arab political parties from running in next month's parliamentary elections, drawing accusations of racism by an Arab lawmaker who said he would challenge the decision in the country's Supreme Court.

The ruling by parliament's Central Election Committee reflected the heightened tensions between Israel's Jewish majority and Arab minority caused by Israel's offensive in the Gaza Strip. Arabs have held a series of demonstrations against the offensive.

Parliament spokesman Giora Pordes said the election committee voted overwhelmingly in favor of the motion, accusing the country's Arab parties of incitement, supporting terrorist groups and refusing to recognize Israel's right to exist. Arab lawmakers have traveled to some of Israel's staunchest enemies, including Lebanon and Syria.


Josh Marshall thinks that this will probably be overturned. Still, it has an ominous feel.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 06:01:37 PM EST
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Last time they tried this, the Supreme Court threw it out as unconstitutional.

It doesn't reflect well on the democratic institutions of Israel that they are trying again.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 06:58:14 AM EST
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It doesn't reflect well on the democratic institutions of Israel  

Yeah...democracy...part of the West...European enclave on ME...what was it more???
by vbo on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 08:22:14 PM EST
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Cool; Our democratic friends on the east coast of the Med have learned great lessons in democracy from the Cheney/Bush regime.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 10:01:58 AM EST
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Web-Based Counselling Set up for Traumatized Iraqis | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 12.01.2009
Berlin psychologists have begun offering web-based therapy to Iraqi victims of war-related events and crimes.

Berlin psychologists believe the impersonal medium will prompt victims of rape or kidnap to disclose more personal information than they would in a face-to-face encounter with a specialist.

 

"The Internet method is soothing for many victims because they do not have to speak to anyone specific or sit opposite someone," said Christine Knaevelsrud, a psychologist at Berlin's center for the treatment of torture victims (BZFO)

 

The free service, called Interapy, consists of three stages. First, victims must write four e-mails detailing what they saw and felt during their ordeal.

 

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 02:56:06 PM EST
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Al Jazeera English - Americas - Obama 'softens' Guantanamo pledge

Barack Obama, the US president-elect, has appeared to soften his election campaign promise to shut the US detention camp in Guantanamo Bay as one of his first acts as US president, saying its closure would be "a challenge".

"It is more difficult than a lot of people realise ..." Obama said during an interview aired on Sunday with US broadcaster ABC.

"I think it's going to take some time ... but I don't want to be ambiguous about this - we are going to close Guantanamo," he told the This Week programme.

Sunday also marked the seventh anniversary of the first prisoners arriving at Guantanamo.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 02:59:37 PM EST
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He's not gonna close it. The bushes have painted him into a corner.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 05:32:51 PM EST
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CBS News | Obama Preparing Order To Close Guantanamo:

President-elect Barack Obama is preparing to issue an executive order his first week in office -- and perhaps his first day -- to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, according to two presidential transition team advisers.

It's unlikely the detention facility at the Navy base in Cuba will be closed anytime soon. In an interview last weekend, Mr. Obama said it would be "a challenge" to close it even within the first 100 days of his administration.

But the order, which one adviser said could be issued as early as Jan. 20, would start the process of deciding what to do with the estimated 250 al Qaeda and Taliban suspects and potential witnesses who are being held there. Most have not been charged with a crime.

The Guantanamo directive would be one of a series of executive orders Mr. Obama is planning to issue shortly after he takes office next Tuesday, according to the two advisers. Also expected is an executive order about certain interrogation methods, but details were not immediately available Monday.

People flipped out about Obama "softening" his stance after the interview with Snuffalufagus.  It was fairly clear to me that Obama was talking about what you've talked about numerous times: That it would take some time to work through the legalities and logistics.  He was quite explicit about his intention to close it.

Once again, the American bloggers are drama queens.  But the trend towards being too stupid to read is a little worrying.  I mean, I know this is America and all, but still: As with the entitlements nonsense, it helps to, you know, read what he said.

I really can't wait until the transition is over.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 07:01:14 PM EST
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Oh, I don't doubt the intent, I just doubt there's a way of achieving it and actually using the laws of the land. I know we had this conversation back on 5th or 6th November and I still haven't seen anyone actually map out a legal path that works.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 06:05:36 AM EST
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ABC News: 'This Week' Transcript: Barack Obama
And some of the evidence against them may be tainted even though it's true. And so how to balance creating a process that adheres to rule of law, habeas corpus, basic principles of Anglo American legal system, by doing it in a way that doesn't result in releasing people who are intent on blowing us up.

Keeping people you can't convict for anything locked away while preserving the rule of law, habeas corpus and basic principles of Anglo American legal system, sounds like quite a challenge to me.

The plural of anecdote is bullshit.

by generic on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 10:37:20 AM EST
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by doing it in a way that doesn't result in releasing people who are intent on blowing us up.

This is nonsense. Even if those guys were not "intent on blowing" them up after Guantanamo experience they may very well be. But who the hell knows that? Psychics?
And about legal limitations, the same way like their Senate and Congress went against their constitution and laws by installing Guantanamo, torture etc. as legal, and now they should put it back in order. Simple as that. But they do not WANT to...that's the problem...Because it is so convenient..,.

by vbo on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 08:40:27 PM EST
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Obama promises to move swiftly in adopting new approach to Tehran | World news | The Guardian
* Iran offered engagement with 'certain expectations'
* Report reveals mission to disrupt atomic ambitions

The US president-elect, Barack Obama, said yesterday that he would act swiftly once in power to confront Iran, vowing to take a new approach focused on dialogue but warning Tehran that there were limits beyond which it should not go.

Speaking on network television nine days before taking office, Obama said Iran was going to be one of the biggest challenges his incoming administration faced. He said Tehran's "exporting of terrorism through Hamas and Hezbollah" and its pursuit of an atomic weapon could trigger a nuclear arms race in the Middle East.

A new US approach would be adopted, with engagement as its starting point, said Obama, adding that he would send out a signal "that we respect the aspirations of the Iranian people, but we also have certain expectations of how an international actor behaves."

One of the earliest decisions for Obama and his foreign policy team, led by Hillary Clinton, will be to decide whether to continue the covert operations programme started by the Bush administration last year. The mission is designed to block any attempt by Iran to build a nuclear weapon by breaking its supply chain of essential parts from abroad and by applying experimental techniques to disrupt essential computer and electrical systems. Details of those operations were disclosed by the New York Times yesterday.


by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 03:01:57 PM EST
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Iran tells Obama not to repeat 'false charges' - Middle East, World - The Independent

Iran has called on US President-elect Barack Obama not to repeat what it said were false accusations levelled against the Islamic Republic by the outgoing administration in Washington.

The United States accuses Iran of seeking to develop nuclear weapons and President George W. Bush has spearheaded a drive to isolate Tehran internationally. Tehran denies the charge.

Iran's Foreign Ministry spokesman also suggested Tehran would respond in an "appropriate and timely" way to any change in US behaviour towards the country, which is embroiled in a row with the West over its disputed nuclear plans.

Iran, which has not had diplomatic ties with the United States in three decades, has reacted cautiously to Obama's election victory, saying it is waiting to see whether his presidency will herald real change in US foreign policy.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 03:02:23 PM EST
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Bush tried to sabotage Iran's nuclear plans - Americas, World - The Independent

President George Bush expanded covert action intended to sabotage Iran's suspected effort to develop nuclear weapons last year after sanctions failed to curb Iran's nuclear ambitions, The New York Times has reported.

The paper said the Bush administration briefed Israel on the covert programme after Washington turned down an Israeli request for a new generation of bunker-busting bombs required for a possible attack on Iran.

President Bush also rejected a request for Israeli planes to cross Iraqi air space in case of Israeli strikes on Iran. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported last September that the Israeli requests had been spurned.

"The Israelis backed off their plans, at least temporarily," the New York Times said. "But the tense exchanges prompted the White House to step up intelligence-sharing with Israel on new US efforts to subtly sabotage Iran's nuclear infrastructure, a major covert program that Mr Bush is about to hand off to President-elect Barack Obama."

The clandestine US programme, started in early 2008 according to the paper, includes fresh American efforts to penetrate Iran's nuclear supply chain abroad, "along with new efforts, some of them experimental, to undermine electrical systems, computer systems and other networks on which Iran relies."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 03:02:42 PM EST
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what covert programme ? the CIA's own NIE said the Iranians weren't doing anything. This is yet more Bush-cuddling propaganda from the republican loving NYT.

"oh look how bush saved Israel. Isn't he great ? Obama wants to talk to these people, you can't trust Obama. vote republican."

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 05:37:03 PM EST
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The msm is back to Clinton rules.  The sooner people on our side get that, the better, because there's going to be a constant stream of bullshit for the next four or eight years, trying to spark controversies where none actually exist.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 07:03:32 PM EST
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Criticizing a Democrat in power is patriotic, criticizing a Republican is treasonous, because Democrats are treasonous socialist sissies and Republicans are strong America-loving value creators.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 04:09:09 AM EST
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Bush defends his 'good, strong record' in defiant and emotional farewell to press - Times Online

President Bush today passionately defended his turbulent eight years in office and lashed out at the "elites" and "opiners" who claim he has damaged America's moral standing in the world.

At a final and often gripping White House press conference, in which he veered from nostalgia to outright aggression, Mr Bush was largely unrepentant. He defended his economic and foreign policy record, including Iraq, the current financial crisis and Guantanamo Bay.

"You know, there's plenty of critics in this business. I know that. And I thank you for giving me a chance to defend a record that I am going to continue to defend because I think it is a good, strong record," Mr Bush declared, nine days before he leaves office. He departs with an approval rating of 27 per cent, the lowest since Richard Nixon resigned from office in 1974.

Mr Bush was inevitably asked to list the mistakes he has made in office. He conceded several, describing the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal as a "huge disappointment" and the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq as a "significant disappointment".

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 03:22:55 PM EST
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That scum should be in jail...
by vbo on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 08:45:35 PM EST
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AFP: Rice shame-faced by Bush over UN Gaza vote: Olmert

The United States, Israel's main ally, had initially been expected to voted in line with the other 14 but Rice later became the sole abstention.

"In the night between Thursday and Friday, when the secretary of state wanted to lead the vote on a ceasefire at the Security Council, we did not want her to vote in favour," Olmert said

"I said 'get me President Bush on the phone'. They said he was in the middle of giving a speech in Philadelphia. I said I didn't care. 'I need to talk to him now'. He got off the podium and spoke to me.

"I told him the United States could not vote in favour. It cannot vote in favour of such a resolution. He immediately called the secretary of state and told her not to vote in favour."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 04:28:56 PM EST
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I understand the English but I don't understand what it means.

Ehud Olmert can tell Bush how Rice should vote at the UNSC?

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 04:40:20 PM EST
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That would appear to be what he is reported to be claiming.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 04:41:54 PM EST
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Are there any witnesses to Bush getting off the podium in the middle of his speech?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 04:49:19 PM EST
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Ehud Olmert can tell Bush how Rice should vote at the UNSC?  

Yeah...but it's only because "Israel is West European cultural enclave, part of the west", etc...Or maybe because of the guilt of holocaust??? I mean I can't remember Americans being involved in Holocaust, but hay, who knows...
by vbo on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 09:08:25 PM EST
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It's nice to know that Israel is in control of US foreign policy. And we know AIPAC have Obama by the balls too.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 05:45:33 PM EST
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Apparently Olmert is lying.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 05:50:20 PM EST
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Seems to be the new vogue when you're the leader of a country waging war: blatantly making shit up even when simple fact-checking will prove you dead-wrong. Saakashvili suffered from the same bug. Perhaps they're just aping Bush.
by Nomad on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 04:00:01 AM EST
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There was a call to Bush, and Bush did instruct Rice to abstain. It's not clear what the US vote would have been without that call (although I doubt the US would have joined such a resolution anyway, given the past track record).

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 04:17:43 AM EST
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It sounds like Olmert wanted Rice to vote against the ceasefire and was trying to save face.

I'm not sure who Israel has pissed off in DC and/or the press, but the pro-Israel propaganda hasn't been nearly as strong this go-round, and people who oppose the slaughter in Gaza are being a lot bolder than they've been in the past.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 09:14:22 AM EST
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I've noticed thsi, but I put it down to the fact that we got lied to about Iraq etc and are more questioning of the official narratives these days.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 10:35:55 AM EST
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If you want to believe that blatant BS from Olmert...

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 03:24:51 AM EST
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It's not BS and like Jerome said:
There was a call to Bush, and Bush did instruct Rice to abstain. It's not clear what the US vote would have been without that call (although I doubt the US would have joined such a resolution anyway, given the past track record).

Olmert wanted VETO and Bush gave him abstinence...
Still it tells a lot to people that want (or can) to see...
by vbo on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 09:00:30 PM EST
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Like Israel gives a shit about UN resolutions.
Americans told them not to give a shit because no repercussions will follow like in case of Serbia (or Iraq).
One would expect now economic (and other/culture, sport, etc)) sanctions and if that is not working I expect NATO ( or at least USA) to bomb Israel (like Serbia and Iraq).That would be natural course, wouldn't it? At least according to actions of past...
But who am I kidding?  
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