LQD: The Proper Way to Cure Anglo Disease

by redstar
Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 12:26:34 PM EST

My, my, that was quick...It wasn't long ago the pink monster began whispering the unthinkable. The City was a Reykjavik-on-Thames just waiting to happen, due to its exposure to the same financial conditions which bankrupted Iceland and its lack, like Iceland's central bankers, of a reserve currency. Apparently British authorities are duly taking a fright and talking to the Commission about joining the Eurozone:

Some influential people in the higher echelons of government have been talking about it to the European Commission, apparently. The pound is now plummeting - again - and there are some fairly obvious signs that we do not seem to be able to run our economy very well. If our banking system needs to be nationalised completely, that might even bankrupt the nation. So the euro suddenly looks like a good idea, if it helps us get through this crisis.

Could it be it's time for the limeys to pay the piper for leading all the neo-liberal rats to capitals on the Continent? A perfect time to contemplate letting the British pay for the mess they've helped the Americans get us all in...  


The cost of rescuing the UK's banking system completely would leave the national debt at levels higher than were seen during the Second World War: it would effectively bankrupt Britain. Even as things stand, the levels of public debt now being planned will place a considerable burden on taxpayers for decades to come, with depressing effects on growth and living standards. That may be inevitable, and the price we must pay for our 16-year-long boom, but lower (relative) growth in the UK compared to Europe will once again become a fact of economic life, as it was for much of the 1960s and 1970s, creating investable envy. At that time our comparative weakness propelled us, often unwillingly, towards membership of the European Community which was seen as the answer to our economic problems. The same logic may push us into the single currency.

Assuming you are welcome, eh? You see, that logic lets the UK export its problem to the rest of us in more ways than all the bad CDOs and other financial instruments the City has been hawking with the Americans...

The resources available to the British Government are dwindling by the week compared to the challenges we face. Because many European nations, notably Germany, have run their public finances more prudently than the UK they now have more room for manoeuvre for bank rescues and general reflation than we do. It would be crude to say that by joining the euro we could get the Germans to pay for our financial mistakes, but not so very far away from the truth - though Berlin might not relish that invitation.

Well, there's that...and...but...could the euro nations say "non" to Britain again?

Yes. Just like General de Gaulle way back in 1963. One very big problem could be the UK's budget deficit. We've already been told off about this by the EU Commission, because we were running a budget deficit above the Maastricht Treaty's 3 per cent limit even in the good times. The fact that the deficit will hit 8 per cent of GDP, or more, over the next few years makes it still more difficult for the UK to join the eurozone on the existing rules. Indeed, many EU governments might be secretly grateful for an excuse to turn down the profligate British and their busted banks.

Well, the good General had a point, but it's probably too late to go back to his wisdom of before my time...nice as it sounds. But I for one say let 'em in...at fifty eurocents a quid. That let's 'em pay retail for the wholesale neo-liberalism they've been Trojan horsing into the EU for all these years, helping put more than a few new entrant EU nations in dire financial straits. Worried they flood us with cheap UK-made products at such an exchange? Beyond financial services (which no one is going to buy from the English anytime soon), what do the make?

So welcome to the Eurozone, Great Britain, at two quid the Euro, you can't go wrong...  

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If the Brits convert to the Euro, what should be the conversion rate
. Par, just like Kohl gave for DDR marks 11%
. EUR: GBP 0.90 to 1.00 11%
. EUR: GBP 0.75 to 0.90 0%
. EUR: GBP 0.60 to 0.75 0%
. EUR: GBP 0.40 to 0.60 11%
. Less than that. 0%
. Let 'em join a free bankrupt country zone with Iceland 66%

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But, would not it be more fitting for the UK and the US to form a new currency together?
by Magnifico on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 01:06:54 PM EST
Heh, it's a good thought, but the US isn't in as bad a shape, by a long shot, as the Brits.

Hard as that is to believe...

Mais c'est un scandâââle!!

by redstar on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 01:14:37 PM EST
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last night. They laughed hard, if ruefully.

paul spencer
by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Fri Dec 5th, 2008 at 11:58:37 AM EST
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Perhaps you could offer them better exchange rate terms in return for shipping off the staffs of the Economist and other Brit MSM to Russia where they could take an extended tour of the Gulag museum.  They should, of course be accompanied by as many of the upper reaches of The City and of Nu-Labor as could be accommodated by said Gulag.

This would be much more equatable for the 98% of the population that were victimized by the policies of the elites, even if they were manipulated into voting in the instruments of their own misery.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 11:20:26 PM EST
Let them in at the rate the actual purchasing power of the £ justifies - distorting the purchasing power within the €-zone unduly seems like A Bad Idea.

But... put their central bank under direct Bundesbank 2.0 ECB control so they don't play funny-games with their monetary policy.

Oh, and get them to stop being a tax haven. And they And they can kiss their discounts on the membership fees goodbye (right along with all their other opt-outs). And they should have to integrate their military with a unified European command and control structure so they won't go haring off to another American colonial war and drag all of us into another quagmire like Vietraq.

Political shock therapy, if you will.

Unfortunately, we don't have a coherent fiscal policy framework at the federal level, so we can't restrict their power of the purse without undermining any chance that they give a serious fiscal response to the crisis. But their banking sector should be put under administration from Bruxelles so they can't bail it out on our dime.

- Jake

"Terraforming your own planet to make it uninhabitable hardly counts as epic win." - ThatBritGuy

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Dec 5th, 2008 at 06:50:10 AM EST


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