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Has America Betrayed the NATO Alliance?

by Vigilante
Mon Feb 18th, 2008 at 11:27:25 AM EST

Here is an unusually frank and disturbing opinion from Eric Margolis of the Edmonton Sun, Europeans See What America Cannot. I am presenting it because it contains some points which I have projected to be held by many Frenchmen and Germans. I have felt that I have not encountered this opinion, because - like too many Americans - I am monolingual and do not travel.

Diary rescue by Migeru


In any event, here is what Margolis says, in part:

The undiplomatic Gates is quite right. Most Europeans regard the Afghan conflict as
  • wrong and immoral;
  • America's war;
  • all about oil;
  • probably lost.
To many Europeans, the NATO alliance was created to deter the real threat of Soviet aggression, not to supply foot soldiers for George Bush's wars in the Muslim world.

While Gates and the Harper government were pleading for more troops, the commander of the 40,000 NATO troops in Afghanistan, U.S. Gen. Dan McNeill, landed a bombshell. If proper U.S. military counter-insurgency doctrine were followed, McNeill admitted, the U.S. and NATO would need 400,000 troops to defeat Pashtun tribal resistance in Afghanistan.

When the Soviets occupied Afghanistan, they deployed 160,000 troops and about 200,000 Afghan Communist troops -- yet failed to crush the mostly Pashtun resistance. Now, the U.S. and NATO are trying the same mission with only 66,000 troops, backed by local mercenaries grandly styled the Afghan National Army.

(...)

If impassioned claims by U.S. and Canadian politicians that the little Afghanistan war must by won at all costs, then why don't they stop orating, impose conscription, and send 400,000 soldiers, including their own sons, to fight in Afghanistan?

Of course they won't. They prefer to waste their own soldiers, and grind up Afghanistan, rather than admit this war against 40 million Pashtun tribesmen was a terrible mistake that will only get worse.

I personally feel that post 9-11 invasion and reconstruction of Afghanistan was warranted, if not mandated by the NATO charter. However, Bush's detour, away from the effort to capture Osama bin Laden ('dead or alive'), into Iraq, fatally flawed this Afghanistan mission.

I'm sure that NATO's "1st Tier" original members never envisaged that the alliance would

  • come to the armed defense of one member who was attacked by a non-member
  • be tolerant of that besieged member capriciously launching an invasion against another country not previously involved
  • continue its effort in behalf of its original member who had been attacked, despite that member's expending the preponderant amount of its own resources on its elective invasion and occupation of the third country.
The situation, as I see it, is that NATO has been assigned to pulling our chestnuts (Osama bin Laden, Mullah Omar, etc.), out of the fire in Afghanistan while we Americans are blowing our assets and resources, extinguishing fires we have needlessly set in Iraq.

What loyal friends we, Americans, have in NATO! Whatever can we do to keep them?

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IIRC from an International Security Affairs course I had at Michigan over a decade ago, NATO original purpose was to keep Germany from re-militarizing after the failure to do so after WWI.  West Germany did not become a member until 1955.

Shortly after NATO was established, the Cold War began and NATO became the balance to Warsaw Pact powers of the east, the WP was also established in 1955 mostly as a response to NATO admitting West Germany, and to once again keep Germany from re-militarizing.

So the mission of NATO changed once already for the circumstances of the Cold War.  Now, it seems, that powers that be, wish to change the NATO mission once again, displaying a geo-political level of what we called in the military "mission creep": you start out with one goal but is slowly morphs into longer and drawn out objectives that had nothing to do with the original mission.

I think that only makes the case stronger that NATO is obsolete and the EU can do with its own security forces.  It is strange that that fact isn't well-know, but if it were, the question of NATO's relevance may have come up a lot sooner when Germany reunified and the whole of Germany was a member of NATO itself, especially now that Germany has exercised military missions outside of its borders.

Someone correct me if I recall the facts incorrectly.

by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 02:44:07 AM EST
was to "keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down", in the words of its first General Secretary, Lord Ismay.

In other words, it is now obsolete. Mission actually accomplished.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 04:16:26 AM EST
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In the run up to the post Cold War, true, NATO tried to find a new direction and it was the Kosovo issue that gave it back a sense of direction.
by The3rdColumn on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 09:36:43 AM EST
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The Kosovo campaign was what definitely turned me off NATO (and made me reassess Javier Solana).

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 09:47:17 AM EST
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I have shortened the extract of the article posted in the diary. It is bad form to copy and paste the full article, unless you are actually discussing it in detail. People can and should click the link you have provided to read the full thing.

But thanks for your diary and your additional commentary to the article!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 04:19:29 AM EST
I personally feel that post 9-11 invasion and reconstruction of Afghanistan was warranted, if not mandated by the NATO charter.

NATO is supposedly a defense organisation, so while going after the al-Qaida allies might be covered, nation-building not.

On the other hand, what has been done in Afghanistan, I would not call reconstruction, nor nation-building. It wasn't even a 'true' invasion, even the pre-Iraq-war troop levels were too low for that; it was mostly a bombing and spec-ops campaign while letting Afghan vassals fight on the ground -- who did so for their own goals. As nation building, this intervention was set to fail from the start, and I saw that by December 2001.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 04:58:46 AM EST
In Austria I can't see much moral outrage about the Nato war in Afghanistan. But the other three points apply fully.
It's just the Americans' war.

The plural of anecdote is bullshit.
by generic on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 07:42:49 AM EST
It's presumably because Austria is not a NATO member?
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 12:00:48 PM EST
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Ditto that!
by The3rdColumn on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 12:02:19 PM EST
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Nonetheless Austria participates in ISAF. Even if its mostly symbolical.

The plural of anecdote is bullshit.
by generic on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 02:13:01 PM EST
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Exactly the same case with Sweden.
by A swedish kind of death on Mon Feb 18th, 2008 at 03:34:44 PM EST
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Vigilante, Re: "Whatever can we do to keep them?" By making sure you don't vote another Republican into the White House come November.
by The3rdColumn on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 12:03:55 PM EST
Personally, I voted against current war-monger-in-chief three times, legally.

I reserve my right to revise and extend my remarks upon my return to The Vigil.
by Vigilante (Vigilante.sozadee@gmail.com) on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 01:00:07 PM EST
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I believe you -- I'm aware of your stand vis a vis the Bush regime.
by The3rdColumn on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 07:15:43 PM EST
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I believe that the "invasion" of Afghanistan was an evil that was necessitated by 9/11 and the Taliban's insistence upon harboring and nurturing the planners of that and other murderous events.  I also see the "invasion" as a direct benefit to NATO countries that are also under attack by Islamic extremists.

However, the "invasion," was poorly planned and the followup, which could have been of great benefit to Afghan citizens, was botched.  The entire effort was doomed when GWB and his advisers decided to attack Iraq.  In my opinion, prospects for bringing peace and stability to Afghanistan were never good even before the Iraq misadventure due to the fractured nature of Afghan society and incessant meddling by elements within Pakistan (for many years before and after the invasion).  Once Iraq entered the picture Afghanistan became hopeless.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 03:16:23 PM EST
It should have been a limited engagement designed to take out select targets, not this ridiculous "nation building" bullshit that is anything but. A limited non-military humanitarian effort after the fact would have been good as well.

It is possible to promote democracy in areas without that legacy, but certainly not Afghanistan for the reasons you gave. I don't think it's institutionally possible for any wealthy nation's government to purse it, though. Their interests lie in keeping other nations politically and economically weak.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 08:26:36 PM EST
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Yes, I agree with what you say.  The only problem with a limited action in Afghanistan though would have been the resilience of the Taliban (an entire culture really) that would have (will likely anyway) just reentered when NATO left and invited al Qaeda back in.  I don't know of a good solution to that problem.  Having watched al Qaeda plan and execute attacks on US diplomatic posts for years before 9/11, I don't see many choices.  By being in Afghanistan we've probably just temporarily swapped it for Pakistan, Indonesia and several other places that offer safe haven for al-qaeda and such.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 10:21:09 PM EST
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There isn't an answer. Technology has lowered the bar to  where serious destruction can be carried out by small groups of people operating out of a country that is politically unimportant and otherwise completely marginalized.

The bottom line is that technology has advanced faster than cultures can evolve.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 11:33:46 PM EST
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So The West was supposed to go and defeat "an entire culture, really"?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 18th, 2008 at 11:25:24 AM EST
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With nukes, that's undoubtly a possibility.

Just kidding.

by GreatZamfir on Mon Feb 18th, 2008 at 12:36:01 PM EST
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If it weren't for white guilt...

The Wall Street Journal Online: White Guilt and the Western Past: Why is America so delicate with the enemy? (by SHELBY STEELE, May 2, 2006)

There is something rather odd in the way America has come to fight its wars since World War II.

For one thing, it is now unimaginable that we would use anything approaching the full measure of our military power (the nuclear option aside) in the wars we fight. And this seems only reasonable given the relative weakness of our Third World enemies in Vietnam and in the Middle East. But the fact is that we lost in Vietnam, and today, despite our vast power, we are only slogging along--if admirably--in Iraq against a hit-and-run insurgency that cannot stop us even as we seem unable to stop it. Yet no one--including, very likely, the insurgents themselves--believes that America lacks the raw power to defeat this insurgency if it wants to. So clearly it is America that determines the scale of this war. It is America, in fact, that fights so as to make a little room for an insurgency.

Certainly since Vietnam, America has increasingly practiced a policy of minimalism and restraint in war. And now this unacknowledged policy, which always makes a space for the enemy, has us in another long and rather passionless war against a weak enemy.



We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 18th, 2008 at 12:51:42 PM EST
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Oh fuck. Really dumb people do exist, don't they?
by GreatZamfir on Mon Feb 18th, 2008 at 12:59:22 PM EST
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Yes, and they're in charge, too.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 18th, 2008 at 01:03:40 PM EST
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Same, first two words, with lots of exclamation points, came out of my mouth as soon as I read the source and the title....

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Mon Feb 18th, 2008 at 03:08:17 PM EST
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Sounds like something John Bolton would say. This shit lends some credence to those who say evil is a disease- or at least a psychosis. If it were only just stupidity.
Stupid people can be very dangerous, but at least can be identified and isolated- or at least one can eventually pry their fingers from the levers of power. But the bright but nuts can be incredibly convincing and --personally certain. Their grip is harder to loosen.

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Mon Feb 18th, 2008 at 11:41:23 PM EST
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If their privatised guards havent broken them

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon Feb 18th, 2008 at 07:12:05 PM EST
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If I remember correctly, within a month of 9/11 the Taliban made several offers to the effect that they would extradite Bin Laden to an international tribunal if the US produced evidence of his involvement but the US instead bombed the shit out of them.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 18th, 2008 at 11:22:56 AM EST
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I've heard that too. Only problem is, I can't remember hearing it at the time, only much later. This is a rare occasion where my memory of how I perceived things at the time doesn't contradict the official US media version. You may well be right in this case, but I'd like to see some reliable source for it.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon Feb 18th, 2008 at 03:24:25 PM EST
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By way of wikipedia, an article from 15th of October 2001:

Portsmouth Herald World/National News: U.S. Jets Pound Targets Around Kabul

Bush ordered the strikes Oct. 7 after Afghanistan's Islamic regime refused repeated demands to surrender bin Laden, chief suspect in the Sept. 11 hijackings that killed an estimated 6,000 people at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and in a Pennsylvania field.

Taliban Deputy Prime Minister Haji Abdul Kabir offered Sunday to surrender bin Laden for trial in an unspecified third country if Washington stopped the bombing and provided the Taliban with evidence of the Saudi dissident's guilt. Bush said no.

``We know he's guilty. Turn him over,'' the president said in Washington.

Bush rejected a similar offer aired by a lower-ranking Taliban official before he began the military strikes, now in its ninth day.

by A swedish kind of death on Mon Feb 18th, 2008 at 03:41:25 PM EST
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Thanks. Now that I think about it, I realize that I was more dependent than usual on the mainstream media at that time, having rather limited internet access - my ISP's switches were located a few blocks from the WTC...
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon Feb 18th, 2008 at 03:48:49 PM EST
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You said you
believe that the "invasion" of Afghanistan was an evil that was necessitated by 9/11 and the Taliban's insistence upon harboring and nurturing the planners of that and other murderous events.  

I strongly dissent, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.  As I have said on other occasions, if we play the game like that, then Cuba has the right to bomb Miami and invade the USA (if only it could!!!) based on the US harboring of Posada Carriles (as well as plenty other terrorists it has no doubt funded, trained and collaborated with).  And if you want to talk about sponsoring anti-democratic forces, we can go on forever!

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne

by maracatu on Mon Feb 18th, 2008 at 06:07:50 PM EST
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Not to mention that Austria-Hungary was (according to these rules) fully entitled to attack Serbia as it harboured the terrorists behind 6/28. So the Central Powers were not responsible for the first world war after all. When is UK, US and France going to pay back all the reperations?
by A swedish kind of death on Mon Feb 18th, 2008 at 06:50:25 PM EST
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Yes - and the 1999 "Operation Allied Force" against Yugoslavia was also contrary to the purposes and principles of the North Atlantic Treaty. The Alliance was not created to be a military tool aimed as certain groups, like Russians, Serbs, Muslims. The Alliance was not created to oppose Russians, but the advance of Soviet Communism. We really need to separate "Russians" from "Soviet communism."

The Parties to this Treaty reaffirm their faith in the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations and their desire to live in peace with all peoples and all governments.

Article 1 The Parties undertake, as set forth in the Charter of the United Nations, to settle any international dispute in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered, and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.

We should know that the during President Truman's address before the signing of the Atlantic Pact (North Atlantic Treaty) on 4 April 1949, there were the reassurances that the aims of the Atlantic Pact were peaceful and not aggressive, which concerns of the Soviet Union:

"There are those that claim that this treaty is an aggressive act on the part of the nations which ring the North Atlantic. This is absolutely untrue. The pact will be a positive, not negative, influence for peace and its influence will be felt not only in the area it specifically covers but also throughout the world.


The nations represented here are bound together by ties of long standing. We are joined by a common heritage of democracy, individual liberty, and the rule of law. These are the ties of a peaceful way of life. In this pact we merely give them formal representation" (Washington Post, 5 April 1949).


What you are saying about about Afghanistan can also apply to Kosovo today. Kosovo is not peaceful and the Serbian minority are oppressed and without equal human rights with Albanians. The creators of the North Atlantic Treaty would scream if they could see what NATO has wrought to Kosovo today!

Also, I've studied the creation of the Atlantic Pact (NATO's treaty) and believe that it was, at one time, intended to be like the Treaty of Rome was for the European Community. The notion of "Atlantic Community" mirrors the notion of "European Community." When you see "Atlantic Community" in some of NATO's older documents, this is back to the days when part of NATO's treaty was meant for an "Atlantic Union."

We do know that the North Atlantic Alliance has been dominated by the United States, mainly for purposes of uniting Europe to face the Soviet Union and to "answer the German question." While Americans and Europeans shared the same ideas about security back in the Cold War days, this is not the case today. The truth is that Europeans have differing views on security questions, especially terrorism, and I believe that NATO's "transformation to fight terrorism," especially with military power almost exclusively, might not make a lot of sense to the Europeans...

Using mainly military means to "fight terrorism" smacks against common sense. Like NATO was "transformed" from an "Atlantic Unity" instrument, to an exclusively military alliance - now it's just a American global military instrument for the "war on terror" and yet more costly, useless and provocative power projection.

by euamerican on Mon Feb 18th, 2008 at 01:36:19 PM EST


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