Torture flights finally investigated?

by JakeS
Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 at 10:26:37 AM EST

We may finally have a shot at real investigations into the kidnapping and torture programme carried out by various US agencies, militias and mercenaries during the Global War on Liberty. So far, the allegations that US agencies have engaged in such illegal activities have been merely that: Allegations. No smoking gun has been found, for the very simple reason that no serious investigation has been forthcoming from the only quarters that could realistically make such an investigation happen: The European Union.

Unfortunately, the various Union states seem to be neck-deep in the programme themselves - and to have been so for such a long time that any investigation would dig up dirt on the current opposition as well as the incumbents in most European countries. This, I believe, is one of the two most important reasons why this atrocity has been documented worse than any other recent crime against international law that you might care to mention (the other reason I allude to is the mindless atlanticism afflicting many European political 'leaders').

There have, however, over the past few days been rumours in the Danish press that the Greenland Home Rule is strongly considering starting up investigations.


These rumblings began with a documentary aired by the Danish Broadcasting Corporation, providing strong indications that the Nassasuaq airfield in Greenland has been used in the Bush regime's kidnapping and torture programme(s).

As usual, the Fogh Rasmussen government went into full denial mode: Claim that there is no evidence, claim that DR is biased, claim that the documentary is politically motivated, claim that it's a smear campaign and throw a general temper tantrum for good measure. Nothing new under the sun. They've done that before - on several occasions, in fact - most recently with a documentary that convincingly documented that the Danish mission in Afghanistan had turned prisoners of war over to the United States of America without taking adequate measures to protect said prisoners against being tortured by the Americans - despite the use of torture being official American policy at the time. (As I write this, I realise how sad it is that it should even be necessary to 'take adequate measures' to protect someone from being tortured at the hands of our American allies. But I digress.)

Back then, their coalition with the Popular Party held, and they weathered the storm. But this time, there are three - maybe four - differences.

First, the government has lost a Conservative MP to a succession crisis (the Conservatives have been in a perpetual succession crisis since 1993 - that they only lost one MP this time is actually something of an improvement, and they didn't even have to purge her; she left voluntarily).

Second, New Alliance has suffered a fairly spectacular meltdown along precisely the political fault line that I outlined just after the election: Gitte Seeberg left, she took a good chunk of the party's grassroots with her and she wasn't particularly quiet about it either.

A digression is in order here, I believe: The above-mentioned changes in parliamentary reality mean that the seats are now 87 for VKO, 2 independents, 82 for the opposition, 4 for Y, 3 Atlantic seats that are firmly in the opposition's camp and one Atlantic seat that may or may not support the government. In other words, the government needs the support of either New Alliance or both the independents and the liberal Faroe Islander.

The third difference is that this time the scandal involves Greenland. The Greenland home rule is considerably to the left of the Danish parliament (let alone the Danish government). And quite a lot of people on Greenland remember - and take exception to - the high-handed way the Danish and American governments decided to permit NATO (read: US Air Force) to station nuclear weapons and strategic radars on Greenland without asking the locals first.

The possible fourth difference is that the Danish housing market has finally tanked. In point of fact, according to independent experts, it has collapsed. Precisely what this is going to mean for the real economy is impossible to say at this point - it might be anything from a few more foreclosures to a major blowup. Oh, and the subprime meltdown has killed off its first Danish bank, likely with more to follow. And the labour unions are mobilising (or have, in some cases, already mobilised) for a general strike, come spring. Interesting Times are ahead of us...

"Now, Jake," I hear you say, "that's a very nice update on the political situation, but what's that got to do with the evidence of the torture flights?" Well, nothing, really. And yet everything.

Because what we have now is a concrete accusation that involves areas under the jurisdiction of the semi-independent Greenland Home Rule, which means that the usual motives for not digging too deeply into the Bushist torture programme might not apply - after all, given the American and Danish attitude in the past, it's far from certain that the Greenland authorities were notified of the little fact that their airports and airspace was used in ways that violated international law. And in political terms, the Home Rule is much more closely aligned with the opposition than the government.

Now in the ordinary course of events, that might not matter a great deal, because the Danish government could almost certainly put the kibosh on any attempt by the Home Rule to launch anything remotely looking like it might be able to get within a kilometer of finding anything slightly embarrassing.

But right now, due to the precarious parliamentary situation, that's not the government's call. Effectively, it's New Alliance's call. And considering their demonstrated lack of skill at manipulating the media, the opposition is going to crucify them if they support such a hopelessly bad cause as suppressing not only an independent investigation, but an independent investigation launched by a quasi-independent governmental body within Rigsfælleskabet (the Danish Commonwealth) that is scheduled for full independence within less than a decade.

And New Alliance is already on the brink of irrelevance.

Way I see it, if the Home Rule has enough guts and gumption to carry through with this investigation, we either gain valuable evidence of and insight into one of the most disgusting American black ops since Watergate, or we get the perfect opportunity to erase New Alliance from Danish political history. I'd really prefer the former, but the latter will be sweet none the less.

- Jake

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Hey - you never know - maybe a twofer will be in the offering.

Perhaps if we really get lucky we will see some politicians in Canada working up a bit of a sweat.

Think big.

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by edwin on Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 at 01:01:51 PM EST
I'm much more pessimistic. I don't think at all, that it is easily possible to investigate much without US cooperation - which will not happen.

It is anyhow clear, that the US tortures, is holding people in prison without charges, is not willing to turn in US citizens which have committed crimes (e.g. in Iraq). What should be the outcome of a new investigation? Most people in the US do not care. Some weeks ago I have seen Al Gore holding a speech. He complained that the Gov now can do all that I described EVEN TO AN AMERICAN. With such emphasis on EVEN AN AMERICAN as if it would be mostly acceptable to do this with foreigners. If Al Gore would be a German and one would replace every US with German, I would call him a Nazi.

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 at 02:17:23 PM EST
Sadly, right on. And Wilkommen bei ET!

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A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 at 02:29:55 PM EST
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Yes and no. Of course everyone with a brain in his head and eyes to see with who doesn't wear an ideological blindfold is full well aware that the US tortures.

But there is a world of difference between knowing it and having an official investigation prove it. If we do have hard proof that the US has been using our airspace illegally and in violation of international law, then it'll be a lot harder to mouth the 'we have informed the Americans of our policies, and since they're our allies, we trust that they'll observe those policies' line (yes, our foreign minister actually says that. Regularly. Shoot me). Since, obviously, you know, they didn't observe our policies with regard to the nature of the use of our airspace.

For that matter, an interesting possibility that some of the newsies mentioned was the fact that Greenland has every right under international law to simply board criminal flights, extract the passengers and send the empty plane on its way with only the pilot in it.

For that matter, simply making sure that official notice is taken of the way the law is broken is bound to do some good.

But yeah, it's entirely possible that I'm whistling in the dark here.

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 at 02:54:13 PM EST
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at worst, it would mean that Greenland would be cut out of those countries that people were transported through, which would make it that much easier to watch  where they were being transported.

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by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 at 03:11:17 PM EST
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I guess that depends on whether the 'muricans take the threat seriously enough. If Greenland does decide to zealously enforce the Chicago Convention and catch one of the planes red-handed with a couple of abductees on board, things could blow up in a pretty spectacular manner... (And no, I don't think that's a pipe dream; CIA has not exactly had a stellar record when it comes to predicting the behaviour of foreign countries... I mean, the Shah? The Bay of Pigs?)

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 12:41:23 AM EST
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...the fact that Greenland has every right under international law to simply board criminal flights, extract the passengers and send the empty plane on its way with only the pilot in it.

I dispute the accuracy/usefulness of this statement. My understanding of international law is that only aircraft of a commercial/private, but non-diplomatic, nature can be searched without violation by the receiving State.  Maybe some of the USG flights carrying "detainees" have not been designated as diplomatic, but we can't be sure.

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by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 04:07:09 PM EST
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None of the suspect flights have been designated governmental at all, let alone diplomatic. That's the point. The programme uses private, chartered aircraft.

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 12:44:15 AM EST
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Good point. Of course nothing prevents a government from requesting diplomatic status for a chartered aircraft.  I have, in fact, flown on several such.  No, they weren't rendition flights, but how can one be certain which were or were not used for renditions?  

BTW, I see that CIA Director Hayden stated today that the CIA has used "waterboarding" on "only" three persons, all just after 9-11, and on no one within the last 5 years.  

won't wonders never cease? _ Snuffy Smith

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 02:50:13 PM EST
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But in the current political climate, making such requests would be an implicit admission of guilt. More importantly, if the government grants them, they're going to risk crucifiction in the polls if it's seen as a move to protect torturers.

Even if the CIA director's statement is credible, it only pertains to waterboarding, and to the CIA. There are various other forms of torture that have been legalised in the US since 9/11, and the US has a number of client states that are known to torture prisoners. AFAIK, it makes no legal difference whether the CIA tortures people themselves or hands them over to the Egyptian authorities, because Egypt has an appalling record when it comes to torture.

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 12:49:48 AM EST
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I have no major disagreement with what you say. I don't think asking for diplomatic status for a flight in any way implies that a crime is about to be committed though.  There are many purposes for a country asking for inviolability.

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by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 07:27:48 PM EST
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