Phase 2: Petition against a Tony Blair presidency

by Melanchthon
Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:39:46 AM EST

We've been doing a superb collective job for the first step of this project (see Petition against a Tony Blair presidency of the European Union).

We already have a text in English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Dutch, Hungarian, Portuguese and Danish! We are waiting for a Polish version. Any other language is indeed welcome.

You will find hereunder the final text in English. It must have the same content in every language, so, please, correct the other language versions according to it. I will do the French one. You will find the link to your version of the treaty here (look for the EU official journal).

The next step is about hosting and designing a site for the petition. We must also discuss what kind of dissemination strategy we adopt.

Promoted by DoDo with edits


Several contributions have been made to the draft. Most of them have been integrated in the final version. I agree to use "President of the European Council" in the text, however I chose to maintain "President of the European Union" in the title, as proposed by Migeru, because many European citizens do not really know the European institutions, especially the Council and because the term "President of the European Union" will be used by the institutions and the media (it is already the case).

I did not keep the reference to the other dignitaries in the last paragraph because I think we must act one step at a time and stay focused on the current threat. Also we must not give the impression we are attacking other dignitaries.

On hosting the petition site, Jérôme already said he is OK for pre-funding a site. We have to decide on which server it should be hosted (I am not knowledgeable enough in this field). We must design the page and define its content (and translate it in as many languages as the text). We must also discuss what kind of relationship/link it should have with European Tribune. Should it be explicit, thus making ET widely known in Europe, but identifying it with an anti-Blair campaign, or should it be more distinct?

Regarding the dissemination strategy: Should we send the petition to "friendly" organisations? Should we organise an e-mailing using the ET e-mail address? I think we should wait to have gathered enough signatures before sending it to members of institutions like MEPs except if we know them personally.


Here is the final English version:

Petition against the nomination of Tony Blair as "President of the European Union"

We, European citizens of all origins and of all political persuasions, wish to express our total opposition to the nomination of Tony Blair to the Presidency of the European Council.

The Treaty of Lisbon provides for the new post of President of the European Council, to be elected by the Council for a mandate, renewable once only, of two and a half years. Under the terms of the Treaty: "The President of the European Council shall chair it and drive forward its work" and "shall ensure the preparation and continuity of the work of the European Council". Further, "The President of the European Council shall, at his level and in that capacity, ensure the external representation of the Union on issues concerning its common foreign and security policy"¹.

The future President of the European Council will therefore have a key role in determining the policies of the European Union and its relations with the rest of the world. This first Council Presidency will also have a major symbolic weight for both citizens of the European Union and for the image of the Union in the rest of the world. In this perspective, we believe it is essential that the first president embodies the spirit and values of the European project.

For some time now, increasingly insistent news reports have made evident a wish, in some quarters, to see Tony Blair appointed the first President of the European Council. This appointment, were it to take place, would be in total contradiction with the values professed by the European project.

In violation of international law, Tony Blair committed his country to a war in Iraq that a large majority of European citizens opposed. This war has claimed hundreds of thousands of victims and displaced millions of refugees. It has been a major factor in today's profound destabilisation of the Middle East, and has weakened world security. In order to lead his country into war, Mr Blair made systematic use of fabricated evidence and the manipulation of information. His role in the Iraq war would weigh heavily on the image of the Union in the world, should he in fact be named its president.

The steps taken by Tony Blair's government, and his complicity with the Bush administration in the illegal programme of "extraordinary renditions", have led to an unprecedented decline in civil liberties. This is in contradiction with the terms of the European Convention of Human Rights, which is an integral part of the treaty.

The European Charter of Fundamental Rights formalises the founding values of the European project and is one of the pillars of the new treaty. Tony Blair fought its inclusion in the Treaty of Lisbon, and eventually managed to secure an exemption for the UK.

Rather than move European integration forward, the former British Prime Minister set a series of so-called red lines during the Lisbon negotiations², with the intent of blocking any progress in social issues and tax harmonisation, as well as common defence and foreign policy.

Furthermore, it seems unthinkable that the first President of the European Council should be the former head of a government that kept its country out of two key elements of the construction of Europe: the Schengen area of free movement of people and the Euro zone.

At a time when one of the priorities of the European institutions is to reconnect with its citizens, we believe it is essential that the President of the European Council should be a person with whom a majority of citizens can identify, rather than one rejected by a majority³. Therefore, we declare our total opposition to this nomination.


  1. Treaty of Lisbon, Article 1, point 16, inserting Article 9 B into the Treaty on European Union, points 5 and 6 (2007/C 306/17, 18)
  2. Blair sets out EU treaty demands, BBC, June 2007
  3. Table 6 in FT/Harris poll, June 2007
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Actually I put up the Italian version on the previous diary about a half hour before this diary.

I see there have been some changes since the last version. Back to the drawing board.

But I did note an issue with the mechanism of electing the Council President that contrasts with "appointments" and "nominations." (Article 9B point 5, to be exact.)

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 05:47:38 PM EST
Edited accordingly.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 01:22:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Re "appointment", I don't think further changes should be made to the draft unless they are gross errors. I think in this case, 'appointment' is also valid: even if the Council votes on the President and the Treaty calls the process an 'election', it is still not a democratic mandate but the choice of an institution. Also, while there is no official nomination described in the Treaty, inofficially, we can treat Sarko's putting forward of Bliar as nomination.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:46:37 AM EST
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I agree. So far, the only modification I would retain is the suppression of the "political persuasion" in the first sentence and its replacement by "convictions".

I will wait a little more before updating for the final final version.

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char

by Melanchthon on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:55:34 AM EST
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All this stems from translation. The proper Italian translation in this context is "candidatura." There is of course the matter of appointments where a person is nominated to an office such as a federal judge in the States or many bureaucratic offices or prestiguous positions throughout the world.

But the word "candidatura" has a broader meaning, just as in the example of the US primaries. There are many candidates for a party nomination. But a nomination doesn't make a president. A candidate nominated by a party or by a group must go through an electoral process. And if he/she wins I suppose that person is "declared" president.

In many parliamentary governments, the nation's president is elected by parliament, such as in Italy, Israel or Germany. It's a prestigious figure-head role that must garner consensus within parliament. But usually qualifications are minimal. A president can come from all walks of life.

So where did the term "nomination" come up in this context and what exactly are the mechanisms? It's article 9B point 5. I was perplexed because we just don't have the clumsy term "nominazione." Sure, it gets thrown around here either in the original English or the Italianized version but it's a neologism in Italian. Are we to petition against Sarkozy proposing a name and then doing some back-room armbending of other state chief representatives in the Council to put together a qualified majority? Or is it a matter of explaining in simple terms within each state of the Union why Blair is not qualified? Since the word "nomination" has also come up in the English mainstream press (the Sunday Guardian?), I just want to know if it has legal grounds or if it is simply some sort of catch-all word. This I leave to the subtleties of the English language. In Italian it's a dilemma, simply because "la candidatura" does not make a person a "president".

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 04:28:59 AM EST
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Do you have the term "postulare"?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 04:39:02 AM EST
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by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 05:31:07 AM EST
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1 CO richiedere con insistenza, spec. un beneficio, un favore, una carica e sim.

seems to work... In Spanish we also have this meaning:

2a TS dir.can., chiedere di essere ammesso in un ordine religioso | promuovere una causa di beatificazione o di canonizzazione

but figuratively it can be used outside the religious context. Blair se postula como Presidente would be perfectly admissible, which is why I asked.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 05:34:55 AM EST
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It would be technically correct but not current usage in Italian.

In light of the Guardian article yesterday that is what Blair is doing, "to ask with insistence to be given the job (on the condition that he gets more powers to do it, of course), etc."

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 05:45:37 AM EST
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"la nomina" instead of "la candidatura." I presume therefore that once the Council has elected Pinco Pallino to be President, they walk out to the microphones and say "The Council (in accordance with blahblahblah) nominates Pinco Pallino President of the...."
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 05:40:30 AM EST
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The European Charter of Fundamental Rights formalises the founding values of the European project and is one of the pillars of the new treaty. Tony Blair fought its inclusion in the Treaty of Lisbon, and eventually managed to secure an exemption for the UK.

Here is the European Charter of Fundamental Rights, signed in Strasbourg on December 16th, 2007. Explanations here.

The UK and Polish exemption is this protocol.

In my Italian version I seem to have confused a protocol reference to article 6(2) of the Treaty of European Union with the UK/ Polish issue. I will correct this.

My concern while translating was exactly what kind of exemption was sought and won by Poland and the UK. I settled for an exemption from being pursued in European Court, ie jurisdictional. Feedback urged here.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 06:25:34 PM EST
We might consider to rephrase it: "managed to make it not legally binding for the UK", but I'm not sure it's necessary.

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 07:19:23 PM EST
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New French version:

Pétition contre la nomination de Tony Blair comme Président de l'Union Européenne.

Nous, citoyens européens de toutes origines et de toutes tendances souhaitons exprimer notre totale opposition à la nomination de Tony Blair à la présidence du Conseil de l'Union Européenne.

Le traité de Lisbonne prévoit la création du poste de président du Conseil de l'Union Européenne élu par le Conseil pour un mandat de deux ans et demi, renouvelable une fois. Selon les termes du traité : « Le président assure la préparation et la continuité des travaux du Conseil européen » et « Le président préside et anime les travaux du Conseil européen ». De même, « le président du Conseil européen assure, à son niveau et en sa qualité, la représentation extérieure de l'Union pour les matières relevant de la politique étrangère et de sécurité commune »¹.

Le futur président du Conseil de l'Union Européenne aura donc un rôle essentiel dans la détermination des politiques de l'Union et dans ses relations avec le reste du monde. Cette première présidence aura aussi un poids symbolique majeur aussi bien pour les citoyens de l'Union Européenne que pour l'image de l'Union dans le reste du monde. Dans cette perspective, il nous paraît essentiel que le premier président incarne l'esprit et les valeurs du projet européen.

Depuis quelques temps, des articles de presse font état de l'intention de certains de faire de Tony Blair le premier président du Conseil de l'Union Européenne. Cette nomination, si elle devait advenir, serait en totale contradiction avec les valeurs portées par le projet européen.

En violation du droit international, Tony Blair a engagé son pays dans une guerre en Irak, guerre à laquelle une vaste majorité des citoyens européens étaient opposés. Cette guerre a fait des centaines de milliers de victimes et entraîné le déplacement de millions de réfugiés. Elle a constitué un facteur majeur de la profonde déstabilisation actuelle du Moyen-Orient et fait reculer la sécurité dans le monde. Pour entraîner son pays dans la guerre, Monsieur Blair a utilisé de manière systématique la manipulation de l'information et fait usage de preuves fabriquées. Son rôle dans la guerre en Irak pèserait lourdement sur l'image de l'Union dans le monde s'il advenait qu'il en soit nommé président

Les mesures que le gouvernement de Tony Blair a prises et sa complicité avec l'administration Bush dans le programme illégal d'enlèvements « extraordinary renditions » ont amené un recul sans précédent des libertés civiles en contradiction avec les termes de la Convention Européenne des Droits de l'Homme qui fait partie intégrante du traité.

La Charte Européenne des Droits Fondamentaux formalise les valeurs fondatrices du projet européen et constitue un des piliers du nouveau traité. Tony Blair en a combattu l'intégration dans le traité de Lisbonne pour finalement obtenir que la Charte ne s'applique pas au Royaume-Uni.

Plutôt que de faire avancer l'intégration européenne, l'ancien premier ministre britannique a imposé un certain nombre de « lignes rouges » au cours des négociations du traité de Lisbonne², avec pour but d'empêcher tout progrès sur les questions sociales et l'harmonisation fiscale ainsi qu'en matière de politique étrangère et de sécurité commune.

Enfin, il nous paraît inenvisageable que le premier président du Conseil de l'Union Européenne soit l'ancien chef d'un gouvernement qui a maintenu son pays en dehors de deux éléments clefs de la construction de l'Europe : la zone Schengen de libre circulation des personnes et la zone Euro.

A l'heure où l'une des priorités des institutions européennes est de renouer avec les citoyens, il nous paraît essentiel que le président du Conseil de l'Union Européenne soit une personnalité en qui une majorité de citoyens puissent se reconnaître, plutôt qu'une personne rejetée par la majorité³. C'est pourquoi nous affirmons notre totale opposition à cette nomination.


  1. Traité de Lisbonne, Article 9B, paragraphes 5 et 6 (2007/C 306/18)
  2. Blair sets out EU treaty demands, BBC, June 2007
  3. Tableau 6 dans le sondage FT/Harris, June 2007


"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 06:32:17 PM EST
BTW, I am convinced that there is a deal: Sarkozy is pushing Tony Blair to be president of the European Council because he expects Blair to support him as his successor...

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 07:22:09 PM EST
The major European powers will certainly try to rotate the post between them, but I'm not sure that Prime Ministers of the major powers will regard it as a promotion.  Status wise - I would have thought it ranked about equal to the Prime Minister of a medium sized country - e.g. Netherland. Austria, perhaps Poland at a pinch.  This may change over time, but it will take time for the real powers and effectiveness of the role to develop.  

National Governments will guard their prerogatives jealously and major ones will ignore the "President" if it is in their perceived interests to do so.  I see the potential for a lot of confusion between the respective roles of the three "Presidents" and the High Commissioner for foreign affairs.  It doesn't really answer the Kissinger question - who do I ring if I want to talk to Europe...

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 07:57:07 PM EST
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If it is occupied by media-famous and media-smart politicos such as Tony Blair and Sarkozy, the position could quickly gain prestige and authority. Tony Blair as "EU President" would be the only person known EU-wide in the EU institutions...

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 08:23:30 PM EST
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...and thus strengthen the Council's relative power again. We don't want that, do we?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 01:27:36 AM EST
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European Tribune - Phase 2: Petition against a Tony Blair presidency
We, European citizens of all origins and of all political persuasions

Given the document takes a very specific (albeit majority) line on Iraq it is hard to argue that it reflects " all political persuasions - unless we say "all political Parties and none..."

The document is not politically neutral, but it does aim to be non-partisan...

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 08:01:33 PM EST
One of Telegraph's journalist-bloggers is already on the question; in his latest Telegraph weblog, Daniel Hannan asks British readers to pitch in: "Should we back Blair for President?"

He says, "Tony Blair has now more or less confirmed his ambition to become President of Europe - but only on his terms, and only if the job comes with serious powers."

Looks like the ET petition's coming out is right on cue or just before Tony Blair gets his bearings right. I'm all for nailing his political ambitions to his mast of defeat before he could get cracking.

by The3rdColumn on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 08:39:27 PM EST
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Meaning we'd need to go quite fast, if we want to build support before the "Blair president" becomes essentially accepted fact.

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 08:41:47 PM EST
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Blair's "serious powers" basically boil down to taking over the attributions of the High Representative for the CFSP. The "powers" of the President of the Council are as spelled out in the Treaty, for crying out loud!

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:27:57 AM EST
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Ensuring "the preparation and continuity of the work of the European Council", which means having a say in the setting of the agenda, is a serious power.

Ensuring "the external representation of the Union on issues concerning its common foreign and security policy" can be serious power.

There is the text, and then there the way it is implemented. According to the texts, as presidents of the European Commission, Jacques Delors and Jacques Santer were occupying the same post...

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char

by Melanchthon on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:44:37 AM EST
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Guardian Unlimited Politics: I'll be president of Europe if you give me the power - Blair
Blair, currently the Middle East envoy for the US, Russia, EU and the UN, has told friends he has made no final decision, but is increasingly willing to put himself forward for the job if it comes with real powers to intervene in defence and trade affairs.
In other words, he wants to take over the trade portfolio from the Commission (the job currently carried out by Peter Mandelson) and the "defence" portfolio from the High Representative.

Note, in fact, that up to now Javier Solana has both been "Secretary General of the Council" (hence the key to providing continuity to the work of the Council athrough the rotating presidencies and probably influencing the agenda) as well as HRCFSP. These two jobs are now being separated and the "Secretary General" is becoming a "chairperson" with representative duties. Blair wants Solana's current job.

Some Blair allies also say that he now recognises that as envoy in the Middle East he is not going to be allowed to become the key player in furthering Israeli-Palestinian talks this year, and will be reduced to a role of supporting political development in Palestine and boosting its economy.
It took him this long to figure out the ME envoy gig was a sham, and he wants something bigger.<
Apart from Blair, two other candidates most often mentioned are the former Austrian chancellor Wolfgang Schüssel, promoted by Germany, and the current Luxembourg prime minister, Jean-Claude Juncker.
Schüssel is the EPP candidate, and Juncker the PES candidate, I suppose. Juncker might get the support of the small states regardless of political affiliation. Do we consider Schüssel stained by having admitted Jörg Haider's party into his government?

Is that it? That's a pretty weak field.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 04:50:18 AM EST
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Juncker should be the ALDE candidate, methinks. He should also have Germany's support.

As much as I dislike Schüssel, I'd prefer his annoying smile over Bliar's annoying smile :-)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 04:59:31 AM EST
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Jean Claude Juncker is a member of the Social-Christian CSV. The CSV is a member of the EPP.

It's looking more and more like Blair is a Trojan Horse. The other two candidates are from the EPP. Sarkozy, also from the EPP, promotes Blair, nominally PES but at heart EPP.

Who is in the running for the four top EU jobs? Has the EPP claimed the Council by default? Will they install a faux-PES in the Council so they can take another job elsewhere? The political division would probably end up being EPP 2 jobs, PES 1 job, ALDE 1 job.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 05:15:59 AM EST
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Heh, I somehow assumed he is from a liberal party, because beyond being a very strong pro-European, I know him as a market liberal. (Or maybe I confused him with Verhofstadt.)

According to this SPIEGEL article (the abridged English version of a German original unfortunately behind the subscription wall), the odds don't look good for Bliar, who has more enemies:

But numerous Social Democrats and most Christian Democrats, along with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, aren't as impressed. On Monday, the Daily Telegraph also reported that senior allies of current Prime Minister Gordon Brown were plotting to wreck Blair's ambitions for the post out of concern that his appointment could reignite old divisions within his Labour Party.

Further candidates discussed are Belgium's Verhofstadt, Poland's Kwaśniewski and Aznar, though they note Aznar has the same problem with the incumbent PM's opposition as Bliar...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 07:16:52 AM EST
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Re: Belgium's Verhofstadt, Must say Belgium's Verhofstadt doesn't strike me as a serious candidate -- the man can barely get his acts together on political issues dividing Belgium.
by The3rdColumn on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 07:27:10 AM EST
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So Kwaśniewski is the only serious PES candidate?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 07:44:46 AM EST
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I don't think the Spiegel is going by much for this report. Just a bit of sounding off.

Poul Nyrup Rasmussen could be a candidate for either the Commission or the Council. Bottom line is that the PES wins the 2009 elections (a few more European governments would also be helpful).

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 07:54:10 AM EST
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Well, if the PES manages to become the largest group in the EP and hold more governments than the EPP, they might get two of the four top EU jobs, to one each for the EPP and ALDE.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 08:43:58 AM EST
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A Hamburger Abendblatt article also lists Anders Fogh Rasmussen as a possiblity... uaaargh. More interesting is:

"Eine Person der Ausgleichs" verlangt Bundeskanzlerin Angela Merkel. Auf Tony Blair, den machtbewussten Ex-Premier der Briten und Irak-Krieg-Befürworter, trifft dies kaum zu. Der Labour-Mann wird von Sarkozy favorisiert. "Aber wir wollen keinen Solisten, sondern einen Team Player", heißt es auch in Brüssel. [German] federal chancellor Angela Merkel demands "a person of balance". This is scarcely valid for Tony Blair, the power-conscious ex-PM of the Brits and Iraq War supporter. The Labour man is favorised by Sarkozy. "But we don't want a solo player, but a team player", it is said in Brussels, too.
Da die kleinen EU-Länder ohnehin latent eine Dominanz der Großen befürchten, wird wohl auch der erste EU-Ratspräsident eher aus einem kleinen Land kommen. Den meisten EU-Chefs fällt da als Idealbesetzung der christdemokratische Luxemburger EU-Altmeister Jean-Claude Juncker ein. ... "Juncker ist erfahren und kennt alle Fallstricke", sagt ein deutscher Diplomat in Brüssel. "Aber er wird nur Schwächere neben sich dulden und dann mit EU-Kommissionspräsident Barroso aneinandergeraten. Die beiden können nicht miteinander." Because the smaller EU states fear the dominance of the large ones anyway, the first EU Council President will arguably come rather from a small country. As ideal casting, the Christian Democrat old EU champion [untranslate-able term normally used for still revered ex-chamions in sports] Jean-Claude Juncker of Luxemburg springs to the mind of most EU bosses. ... "Juncker has experience and knows all the snares", says a German diplomat in Brussels. "But he will only tolerate weaker people besides him, and then get at loggerheads with EU Commission President Barroso. The two can't work together."
Der Portugiese José Manuel Barroso möchte im nächsten Jahr seine Amtszeit um fünf Jahre verlängern. Bei seiner Berufung 2004 war der Christdemokrat noch "Merkels Mann in Brüssel". Jetzt ist die Freundschaft der beiden merklich abgekühlt. Die EU-Kommission hat unter Barrosos Führung Klimaschutzziele vereinbart, die am Industriestandort Deutschland problematisch sind. Deshalb baut der Portugiese jetzt auf gute Beziehungen zu Sarkozy. Next year, the Portuguese José Manuel Barroso wants to extend his term in office by another five years. At the time of his appointment in 2004, the Christian Democrat counted as "Merkel's man in Brussels". Today, the friendship of the two has noticeably cooled down. The EU Commission agreed to climate protection goals under Barroso's leadership, which are problematic for Germany's industry. For that reason, the Portuguese now counts on good elations to Sarkozy.


*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 07:47:01 AM EST
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Fogh is Bliar light. If Bliar doesn't fly, neither will Fogh. Besides, unlike Bliar, Fogh is kinda busy breaking a country.

- Jake

Your representatives may not listen to you. But they do read your e-mail.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 01:53:03 AM EST
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I think what Blair really wants is to be president of the EU in accordance with the Bush/Cheney version of the unitary executive theory.I have yet to understand the fine philosophical line between that one and the Führerprinzip. Maybe Godwin could help me understand it.
by A swedish kind of death on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 08:48:25 PM EST
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I also agree with Frank, the petition should be non-partisan.
by The3rdColumn on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 08:40:35 PM EST
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What about "of all origins and of all convictions" ?

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:48:53 AM EST
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Re "of all origins and of all convictions" ? Sounds to me quite neutral and palatable.
by The3rdColumn on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 07:28:25 AM EST
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I agree, it is quite clearly an anti-war, pro-European petition. So we won't convince many pro-war but anti blair eurosceptics to sign it. Politics is not a bad thing, tho'
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 06:22:20 AM EST
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Do pro-war anti-Bliar people exist? I sure don't know any. Also, I think the euroskeptics might surprise you. I think their dislike for Bliar and their sense of realpolitik is stronger than their dislike for the Union.

- Jake

Your representatives may not listen to you. But they do read your e-mail.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 01:57:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Do pro-war anti-Bliar people exist?

They're also known as the Tory party :-)
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 02:49:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]
We must also discuss what kind of dissemination strategy we adopt. Should we send it to "friendly" organisations? Should we organise an e-mailing using the ET e-mail address? I think we should wait to have gathered enough signatures before sending it to members of institutions like MEPs except if we know theme personally.

We need some people who are able to answer the press for questions, especially if we plan to do press releases after enough signatures - should we ?

Viral marketings through blog comments and forum participation could be useful too.

Also, not only do we need a server, but also a domain name, which is an important choice. NoToTonyBlair.eu ?

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 08:21:24 PM EST
I can help out in Brussels.
by The3rdColumn on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 08:42:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It'd be nice to specifically be able to contact the Brussels correspondents who are likely the ones following the EU presidency bid.

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 08:44:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I agree with you about the domain name. We should secure it quickly.

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:09:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, good choice for a domain name. A whois search shows it's free. Jerome, are you Ok to register it?

You're clearly a dangerous pinko commie pragmatist.
by Vagulus on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 06:26:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]
stopblair.eu is better IMHO
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 06:27:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I think StopBlair.eu is also good, and shorter, and it's currently free as well.

You're clearly a dangerous pinko commie pragmatist.
by Vagulus on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 06:29:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Hosting and registration requests are best directed at Colman.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 06:43:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Pick one. Will sort immediately.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 06:47:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Registered both
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 07:21:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I also vote for StopBlair.eu.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 07:23:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Me too ! Me too !

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 11:26:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Domain: stopblair.eu would be short and multilingual.

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:38:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]
we should personalise this issue the least. the point is not his character, but his actions.

he always sold himself as a person, not as a politician.

by findmeaDoorIntoSummer on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 11:54:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I tried to do the German version word for word now and have run into some difficulties.

1. increasingly insistent news reports have made evident a wish, in some quarters, to see Tony Blair appointed the first President of the European Council.

News would be Nachrichten and reports Meldungen, but there's no such thing as a Nachrichtenmeldung. Also, I'm not sure how to do this whole "have made evident a wish, in some quarters, to see appointed" construction.

2. This appointment, were it to take place, would be in total contradiction with the values professed by the European project.

A project can't really profess something, can it?

3. Fabricated evidence

There's no word for evidence in German, a fact that I've regretted before. Beweis is too strong, Hinweis too weak and both don't mean hard facts. And "fabricated" is hard, too, "künstlich erzeugt", "gefälscht", "bewusst irreführend", "unecht", ,,falsch"?

Suggestions?

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu

by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:41:17 AM EST
That's the way it looks now.

Petition gegen die Nominierung von Tony Blair zum Präsidenten der Europäischen Union

Wir, die europäischen Bürger jeglicher Herkunft und aller politischer Lager möchten unseren entschiedenen Widerstand gegen die Nominierung von Tony Blair zum Präsidenten des Europäischen Rates zum Ausdruck bringen.

Im Rahmen des Vertrags von Lissabon ist vorgesehen, das Amt des Vorsitzenden des Europäischen Rates einzuführen, gewählt von den Mitgliedern des Rates für maximal zwei Amtszeiten von je zweieinhalb Jahren Dauer. Laut den Bestimmungen des Vertrags führt der Präsident des Europäischen Rates ,,den Vorsitz bei den Arbeiten des Europäischen Rates und gibt ihnen Impulse" und sorgt ,,für die Vorbereitung und Kontinuität der Arbeiten des Europäischen Rates". Des Weiteren nimmt der Präsident des Europäischen Rates ,,auf seiner Ebene und in seiner Eigenschaft die Außenvertretung der Union in Angelegenheiten der Gemeinsamen Außen- und Sicherheitspolitik wahr".¹

Der künftige Präsident des Europäischen Rates wird also eine Schlüsselrolle bei der Festlegung der Politik der Europäischen Union und in ihren Außenbeziehungen einnehmen. Dieser ersten Ratspräsidentschaft kommt auch ein großes symbolisches Gewicht zu, sowohl für die Bürger der Europäischen Union als auch für das Ansehen der Union in der Welt. Aus dieser Perspektive erscheint es uns wichtig, dass der erste Präsident den Geist und die Werte des europäischen Projekts verkörpert.

Seit einiger Zeit offenbaren immer hartnäckigere Meldungen den Wunsch mancher, dass Tony Blair zum ersten Präsident des Europäischen Rates ernannt wird. Diese Ernennung, sollte sie stattfinden, stünde in krassem Widerspruch zu den im europäischen Projekt erklärten Werten.

Tony Blair hat sein Land unter Verletzung internationalen Rechts an einem Krieg beteiligt, den eine große Mehrheit der europäischen Bürger ablehnte. Dieser Krieg hat Hunderttausende von Opfern gefordert, Millionen zu Flüchtlingen gemacht, trug wesentlich zur aktuellen Destabilisierung des Mittleren Ostens sowie zu einer verschärften Weltsicherheitslage bei. Um sein Land in den Krieg führen zu können, bediente er sich in systematischer Weise gefälschter Beweise und der Manipulation von Informationen. Sollte er tatsächlich zum Präsidenten ernannt werden, würde seine Rolle im Irakkrieg das Ansehen der Union in der Welt schwer belasten.

Die Maßnahmen, die die Regierung von Tony Blair getroffen hat und seine Komplizenschaft mit der Bush-Administration im Rahmen des illegalen Programms der "Sonderüberstellungen" (auch bekannt als ,,CIA- Flüge") haben zu einer beispiellose Einschränkung der Freiheiten der europäischen Bürger geführt, was im Widerspruch zu den Bestimmungen der Europäischen Konvention zum Schutz der Menschenrechte steht, die integraler Bestandteil des Vertrages ist.

Die Charta der Grundrechte der Europäischen Union formalisiert die Grundwerte des europäischen Projekts und ist eine der Säulen des neuen Vertrags. Tony Blair bekämpfte ihre Integration in den Vertrag von Lissabon und hat letztlich erreicht, dass die Charta im Vereinigten Königreich nicht gültig ist.

Statt die europäische Integration voranzutreiben, stemmte sich der ehemalige britische Premierminister während der Vertragsverhandlungen gegen jeden Fortschritt auf den Gebieten der Sozialpolitik, der Steuern, der gemeinsamen Verteidigung und der Außenpolitik.²

Außerdem können wir es uns nur schwer vorstellen, dass der erste Präsident des Europäischen Rates der ehemalige Chef einer Regierung sein sollte, die ihr Land an zwei Schlüsselelementen des Aufbaus Europas nicht beteiligt hat: dem Schengen-Raum des freien Personenverkehrs und der Eurozone.

Zu einer Zeit, in der es eine der Prioritäten der europäischen Institutionen ist, sich den Bürgern anzunähern, erscheint es uns als unabdingbar, dass der Präsident des Europäischen Rates eher eine Person ist, mit der sich eine Mehrheit der Bürger identifizieren kann, als eine, die von einer Mehrheit abgelehnt wird.³ Deshalb erklären wir unseren ausdrücklichen Widerstand gegen diese Nominierung.

  1. Vertrag von Lissabon, Artikel 9b, Absatz 5 und 6 (2007/C 306/01)
  2. ,,Blair sets out EU treaty demands", BBC, June 2007 ↑
  3. Table 6 in der FT/Harris Umfrage, June 2007 ↑

Link to the German Lisbon Treaty: http://bookshop.europa.eu/eubookshop/FileCache/PUBPDF/FXAC07306DEC/FXAC07306DEC_002.pdf


"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:45:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Okay, I approve of this message now (made some tiny edits). Put it up where it belongs.

Petition gegen die Nominierung von Tony Blair zum "Präsidenten der Europäischen Union"

Wir, die europäischen Bürger jeglicher Herkunft und aller politischer Überzeugungen möchten unseren entschiedenen Widerstand gegen die Nominierung von Tony Blair zum Präsidenten des Europäischen Rates zum Ausdruck bringen.

Im Rahmen des Vertrags von Lissabon ist vorgesehen, das Amt des Vorsitzenden des Europäischen Rates einzuführen, gewählt von den Mitgliedern des Rates für maximal zwei Amtszeiten von je zweieinhalb Jahren Dauer. Laut den Bestimmungen des Vertrags führt der Präsident des Europäischen Rates "den Vorsitz bei den Arbeiten des Europäischen Rates und gibt ihnen Impulse" und sorgt "für die Vorbereitung und Kontinuität der Arbeiten des Europäischen Rates". Des Weiteren nimmt der Präsident des Europäischen Rates "auf seiner Ebene und in seiner Eigenschaft die Außenvertretung der Union in Angelegenheiten der Gemeinsamen Außen- und Sicherheitspolitik wahr".¹

Der künftige Präsident des Europäischen Rates wird also eine Schlüsselrolle bei der Festlegung der Politik der Europäischen Union und in ihren Außenbeziehungen einnehmen. Dieser ersten Ratspräsidentschaft kommt auch ein großes symbolisches Gewicht zu, sowohl für die Bürger der Europäischen Union als auch für das Ansehen der Union in der Welt. Aus dieser Perspektive erscheint es uns wichtig, dass der erste Präsident den Geist und die Werte des europäischen Projekts verkörpert.

Seit einiger Zeit offenbaren immer hartnäckigere Meldungen den Wunsch mancher, dass Tony Blair zum ersten Präsidenten des Europäischen Rates ernannt wird. Diese Ernennung, sollte sie stattfinden, stünde in krassem Widerspruch zu den Werten des europäischen Projekts.

Tony Blair hat sein Land unter Verletzung internationalen Rechts an einem Krieg beteiligt, den eine große Mehrheit der europäischen Bürger ablehnte. Dieser Krieg hat Hunderttausende von Opfern gefordert, Millionen zu Flüchtlingen gemacht und trug wesentlich zur aktuellen Destabilisierung des Mittleren Ostens sowie zu einer verschärften Weltsicherheitslage bei. Um sein Land in den Krieg führen zu können, bediente sich Blair in systematischer Weise gefälschter Beweise und der Manipulation von Informationen. Sollte er tatsächlich zum Präsidenten ernannt werden, würde seine Rolle im Irakkrieg das Ansehen der Union in der Welt schwer belasten.

Die Maßnahmen, die die Regierung von Tony Blair getroffen hat, und seine Komplizenschaft mit der Bush-Administration im Rahmen des illegalen Programms der "Sonderüberstellungen" (auch bekannt als "CIA- Flüge") haben zu einer beispiellosen Einschränkung der Freiheiten der europäischen Bürger geführt, was im Widerspruch zu den Bestimmungen der Europäischen Konvention zum Schutz der Menschenrechte steht, die integraler Bestandteil des Vertrages ist.

Die Charta der Grundrechte der Europäischen Union formalisiert die Grundwerte des europäischen Projekts und ist eine der Säulen des neuen Vertrags. Tony Blair bekämpfte ihre Integration in den Vertrag von Lissabon und hat letztlich erreicht, dass die Charta im Vereinigten Königreich nicht gültig ist.

Statt die europäische Integration voranzutreiben, stemmte sich der ehemalige britische Premierminister während der Vertragsverhandlungen gegen jeden Fortschritt auf den Gebieten der Sozialpolitik, der Steuern, der gemeinsamen Verteidigung und der Außenpolitik.²

Außerdem können wir uns nur schwer vorstellen, dass der erste Präsident des Europäischen Rates der ehemalige Chef einer Regierung sein sollte, die ihr Land an zwei Schlüsselelementen des Aufbaus Europas nicht beteiligt hat: dem Schengen-Raum des freien Personenverkehrs und der Eurozone.

Zu einer Zeit, in der es eine der Prioritäten der europäischen Institutionen ist, sich den Bürgern anzunähern, erscheint es uns als unabdingbar, dass der Präsident des Europäischen Rates eher eine Person ist, mit der sich eine Mehrheit der Bürger identifizieren kann, als eine, die von einer Mehrheit abgelehnt wird.³ Deshalb erklären wir unseren ausdrücklichen Widerstand gegen diese Nominierung.

  1. Vertrag von Lissabon, Artikel 9b, Absatz 5 und 6 (2007/C 306/01)
  2. "Blair sets out EU treaty demands", BBC, Juni 2007
  3. Table 6 in der FT/Harris- Umfrage, Juni 2007

Link to the German Lisbon Treaty: http://bookshop.europa.eu/eubookshop/FileCache/PUBPDF/FXAC07306DEC/FXAC07306DEC_002.pdf


"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 07:40:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Ths is a quick reply (I'm off to a meeting soon):

  1. I think the way you put it above is perfect. (I had much more trouble finding a Hungarian equivalent of that construction.)

  2. Werten des Europäischen Projekts seems okay to me.


*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:58:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]
How do you say "forged documents" in German?

We have discussed before the issues with the wordings "lies and manipulation" and decided to replace it with "fabricated evidence". I was thinking this morning that maybe we might just want to say "fixing the intelligence and facts around the policy" and add a footnote linking to the Downing Street Papers.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 04:37:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]
forged = gefälscht, which I've used for now. Verfälscht (partly forged/ falsified) is another option.
I agree that "lies" isn't diplomatic, but there aren't that many ways to say it differently. Maybe "deliberate misuse/ abuse of intelligence"?

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 05:02:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Also, re formulation "fixing the intelligence and facts around the policy" is clearly 'on record,' i.e., Downing Street Papers and has been the term widely used by mainstream media -- it is an accusation against Blair that has stuck and continues to stick.
by The3rdColumn on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 08:08:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]
In the Danish translation, I used the phrase 'provably forged intelligence.' 'Fabricated' evidence can be translated into either 'forged' or 'planted' evidence, and forged was what it was. The use of 'intelligence' instead of 'evidence' was to reflect the word predominantly used in the Danish "debate."

- Jake

Your representatives may not listen to you. But they do read your e-mail.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 08:49:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
3. Your choice of "gefälschte Beweise" seems OK, maybe "frisierte Beweise" works too.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 04:55:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
"frisiert" is colloquial.

Hmm, I'll ask a friend or two.

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu

by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 05:08:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Promotion notes:

  1. I have made one final change to the draft, a minor but important one, which I hope is okay with both Melanchton and Migeru: to put "President of the European Union" in scare quotes in the title.

  2. I edited the intro text into two halves purely to reduce the above-fold part, without changes to content.

  3. Translators who copy the footnote html should take care to re-name the footnote id's in all 12 places. (But you don't have to bother about the html, we can do that later.)


*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:51:12 AM EST
4. I just noted that Melanchthon changed the Treaty of Lisbon reference, but it wasn't correct: we are in Article 1, point 16 of the Treaty of Lisbon, which consists of an Article 9 B to be inserted into the Treaty on European Union. Complicated, but yeah, that was the drafters' goal. Reference edited accordingly.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 06:36:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Underskriftindsamling imod nomineringen af Tony Blair til formand for den Europæiske Union

Vi, de undertegnede europæiske borgere, ønsker uafhængigt af vor oprindelse og politiske tilknytning i øvrigt at udtrykke vor udelte modstand imod nomineringen af Tony Blair til posten som formand for det Europæiske Råd.

Under Lissabontraktaten oprettes formandsposten for det Europæiske Råd som en ny tillidspost i EU. Formanden vælges af Rådet og har et mandat der strækker sig over to et halvt år og højst kan fornyes en gang. Traktaten fastslår at formanden bl.a. "leder Det Europæiske Råds arbejde og giver det fremdrift" og "sikrer forberedelsen og kontinuiteten af Det Europæiske Råds arbejde". Ydermere fastslår traktaten at "Det Europæiske Råds formand varetager i denne egenskab på sit niveau Unionens repræsentation udadtil på de områder, der hører under den fælles udenrigs- og sikkerhedspolitik" [1].

Den fremtidige formand vil således have en nøglerole i udformningen af Unionens politik, og Unionens relationer til resten af verden. Det første formandskab vil desuden have stor signalværdi for såvel den Europæiske Unions borgere som resten af verden. Givet disse overvejelser mener vi at det er af største betydning at denne første formand afspejler ånden og værdierne i det europæiske projekt.

Der har nu i et stykke tid i pressen været stadig stærkere indikationer af et ønske, i visse kredse, om at se Tony Blair udpeget som den første formand for den Europæiske Union. En sådan udpegelse ville være aldeles i modstrid med de værdier der ligger til grund for det europæiske projekt

Tony Blair trak, i strid med international lov, sit land ind i en krig i Irak som et massivt flertal af Europas borgere var og er modstandere af. Denne krig har kostet i hundredetusindvis døde og sårede civile og har drevet millioner på flugt. Den har bidraget væsenligt til den dybe destabilisering af Mellemøsten og skadet fred og sikkerhed i verden. I optakten til krigen vildledte Blair systematisk offentligheden ved hjælp af beviseligt forfalskede efterretninger. Hans rolle i Irak ville virke stærkt tyngende på Unionens gode navn og rygte i verden såfremt han blev udpeget til formand.

De skridt Tony Blairs regering siden har taget i "krigen mod terror," såvel som hans meddelagtighed i George Bushs ulovlige fængslinger, har ført til hidtil usete indgreb i de demokratiske frihedsrettigheder. Dette er i direkte modstrid med den Europæiske Menneskerettighedskonvention, der er en central del af Lissabontraktaten.

Den Europæiske Unions charter om grundlæggende rettigheder formaliserer de grundlæggende værdier i det europæiske projekt og er en vigtig del af fundamentet for den nye traktat. Tony Blair kæmpede imod chartrets indlemmelse i Lissabontraktaten og sikrede i sidste ende Storbritannien et forbehold overfor forpligtelserne i chartret.

I stedet for at fremme europæisk integration opstillede den tidligere britiske premierminister en række såkaldt 'røde linier' under forhandlingerne om Lissabontraktaten [2], med den hensigt at blokere alle fremskridt indenfor socialpolitik imod en harmonisering af skattepolitikken, såvel som forhindre den europæiske union i at formulere en fælles udenrigs- og sikkerhedspolitik.

Ydermere forekommer det utænkeligt at den første formand for den Europæiske Union skulle være en tidligere statsleder hvis regering holdt sit land udenfor to vigtige dele af det europæiske samarbejde: Eurozonen og Schengen-samarbejdet om fri bevægelighed over grænserne.

I en tid hvor et af de højt prioriterede områder indenfor det europæiske samarbejde er at genskabe kontakten mellem Unionens institutioner og Europas borgere mener vi at det er af største vigtighed at formanden ikke er en person som flertallet af de europæiske borgere er afvisende overfor [3].

Af ovennævnte grunde erklærer vi vor udelte modstand imod Tony Blairs nominering.

[1] Lissabontraktaten, artikel 9B, styk 5 og 6.
[2] Blair sets out EU treaty demands, BBC, juni 2007
[3] Table 6 i FT/Harris poll, june 2007

I've changed the last paragraph in several ways for the Danish translation: First, I've changed the "priorities of the European institutions is to reconnect with its citizens" into something more along the lines of "priorities in European co-operation is to reconnect the Union's institutions with Europe's citizens" in order to reflect the way this project has been phrased in the Danish political debate. Second, I removed the reference to the ability to 'identify with,' because that sounds silly in Danish (I think it sounds silly in English too, but doubly so in Danish). Third, I split the last sentence into a separate paragraph for emphasis and to give a more natural flow to the text.

The rest is otherwise as closely in line with the original as any translation can be.

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:57:54 AM EST
The scare quotes added while I was typing should go around 'formand for den Europæiske Union.' The word 'formand' could be exchanged with 'præsident' either choice would be controversial in Denmark - the former is the word used by the pro-treaty parties, the latter is used by the eurosceptics.

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 04:04:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You have the term præsident in Danish. What term do you usually use to describe foreign presidents?

(e.g. Bush; Sarkozy)

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 06:29:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The term "præsident" is used to describe - say - Sarkozy or Bush. But the word "præsident" does not appear in the Danish version of the Lisbon treaty, except in reference to the Court - presumably to avoid charges from Euroskeptics of creating the United States of Europe. The term 'formand' (chairman) is universally used where 'præsident' could have been applicable.

From a purely semantic point of view, both are possible in Danish: The person who heads, say, a board of directors can be either president or chairman, although chairman the more common usage. We tend to reserve the term "præsident" for presidents of actual states, which the Union officially is not.

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 09:03:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I think it's better to use the word which appears in the Danish version of the treaty.

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 09:11:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That's what I figured too, so that's what I used. But if we're putting it in scare quotes anyway to indicate that we're talking about the public perception of the position, then præsident might actually be closer to home. I don't know. The treaty itself didn't get a lot of press coverage (the focus was on the parliamentary games over whether we were going to get a referendum on it), so there's no terminology with real public name-recognition.

- Jake

Your representatives may not listen to you. But they do read your e-mail.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 09:19:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The Danish version of the treaty is not legally relevant. The only official languages are German, French and English. The ECJ goes by those, mostly by the French version.

I had/have the same issue with the Dutch version. I think the translation ("voorzitter") is euphemistic, so I would not like to use it.

In German it is also possible to use the term 'Vorsitzende', but the treaty simply says 'Präsident'.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:28:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That is not my understanding of the legal status. AFAIK (but IANAL) in any given country, the official local translation takes precedence over the other versions. Of course, in the day-to-day workings of the European institutions - and very much in our international affairs - the versions you mention will be the working papers.

As I said, a case can be made for using both, and either will be viewed as politicising by one or more camps in the domestic Danish debate. That being said, a 'råd' (counsil) does not, in usual Danish parlance, have a 'præsident' (president) - it has a 'formand' (chairman). A court or a country has a president.

As such, in the title, 'præsident' may be more appropriate for the meaning we want to convey, but in the bulk text - where the context is clearly the European Counsil - chairman is the appropriate word, both relative to the treaty and according to normal Danish conventions. Calling it president would stick out far more than in other languages.

And I'm not sure that we want to have ambiguities in the wording by using two different words for the same post. So in the end I'll have to throw in with chairman.

The use of chairman instead of president is likely to piss off euroskeptics, but many Danish euroskeptics are going to be inclined to sign it anyway if they see it, because Tony Bliar isn't particularly popular with most Danish euroskeptics (and those he is popular with are going to be pissed off with the paragraphs about Vietraq anyway). Pissing off the eurocentrists would be a more dicey proposition, because they don't seem to me to hold Bliar in quite as high disregard.

Now, on the political side of things, of course it's an euphemism, and a transparent one at that, and for the record, I sympathise with your disgust at the use of such transparent propaganda schemes. But that's kinda beside the point here. Not getting Bliar in a big-wig role in the Union leadership is the point, irrespective of my stand on other Union matters. And retiring Bliar - preferably to a sunny beach somewhere near Basra - is a deal more important to me than whatever semantic objections I might have to the text.

Anyway, it's a simple change to make - neither 'formand' nor 'præsident' appear in any other sense in the text, so the final editors can simply do a global search-replace with them if they so please.

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 01:46:38 AM EST
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Would it be bad to use præsident in the title, though? The title is supposed to be in scare quotes either way. And Tony Blair will probably be reported as præsident in the news anyway.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 06:09:50 AM EST
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by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 06:13:02 AM EST
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I second your suggestion. Præsident in the scare quotes in the title, formand everywhere else.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 07:08:46 AM EST
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Given the news reports quoted above, I agree that 'præsident' is suitable for the title.

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 07:26:43 AM EST
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Excellent. I'll do the same for the Dutch version.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 07:54:32 AM EST
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We tend to reserve the term "præsident" for presidents of actual states, which the Union officially is not.

Yes. That is precisely the problem. The term used is euphemistic, and probably purely employed for political reasons, without actually having any significance.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 03:32:26 PM EST
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Re-posted final Hungarian version below; and I soon add a note about the Lisbon Treaty reference:

Petíció Tony Blair "Európai Unió elnöké"-vé jelölése ellen

Mi, különféle származású és politikai meggyőződésű európai polgárok, szeretnénk kifejezni, hogy teljes mértékben elutasítjunk Tony Blair-nek az Európai Tanács elnöki tisztére történő jelölését.

A Lisszaboni Szerződés újonnan létrehozza az Európai Tanács elnöki tisztjét, eme két és fél éves időtartamra szóló, egyszer megújítható megbízatásról a Tanács szavazással dönt. A Szerződés értelmében az Európai Tanács elnöke "elnököl az Európai Tanács ülésein, és lendületed ad munkájának" és "gondoskodik az Európai Tanács munkájának előkészítéséről és folyamatosságáról". Továbbá, "Az Európai Tanács elnöke - a saját szintjén és e minőségében ... - ellátja az Unió külső képviseletét a közös kül- és biztonságpolitikához tartozó ügyekben"¹.

Az Európai Tanács jövendő elnöke következésképp kulcsszerepet fog játszani az Únió politikájának és a világ többi részével való kapcsolatának meghatározásában. Ezen első elnökségnek nagy szimbolikus jelentősége is lesz, mind az Európai Únió polgárai szemében, mind pedig az Únió imázsában a világ többi részében. Ezt tekintetbe véve úgy hisszük, alapvetően fontos, hogy az első elnök megtestesítse az európai projekt szellemét és értékeit.

Egy ideje egyre makacsabb híradások utalnak arra, hogy egyes körök azt szeretnék, ha Tony Blairt neveznék ki az Európai Tanács első elnökének. E kinevezés, ha bekövetkezne, teljesen ellentétes lenne az európai projektben vallott értékekkel.

A nemzetközi törvényeket megszegve, Tony Blair elkötelezte országát egy iraki háború mellett