Stop Blair!

by afew
Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 02:01:14 AM EST

As rumours circulated concerning Tony Blair's interest in the post of President of the European Council (newly created by the Treaty of Lisbon), a number of posters here at European Tribune expressed alarm. It was quickly clear that, on this collaborative site which includes members from all over Europe, opposition to Blair's candidature was unanimous, and the idea of a petition was mooted.

Over the last few days, on the basis of Melanchthon's initial draft, the text of the petition was discussed and translated into, in all, nine languages (with more to follow), and a website set up to host them: fast work, and a genuinely European initiative!

Go here to read and sign the petition (No need to be an EU citizen)

Et ici pour la pétition en français

The English text of the petition can be read below.

Bumped by afew


Petition against the nomination of Tony Blair as "President of the European Union"

We, European citizens of all origins and of all political persuasions, wish to express our total opposition to the nomination of Tony Blair to the Presidency of the European Council.

The Treaty of Lisbon provides for the new post of President of the European Council, to be elected by the Council for a mandate, renewable once only, of two and a half years. Under the terms of the Treaty: "The President of the European Council shall chair it and drive forward its work" and "shall ensure the preparation and continuity of the work of the European Council". Further, "The President of the European Council shall, at his level and in that capacity, ensure the external representation of the Union on issues concerning its common foreign and security policy"¹.

The future President of the European Council will therefore have a key role in determining the policies of the European Union and its relations with the rest of the world. This first Council Presidency will also have a major symbolic weight for both citizens of the European Union and for the image of the Union in the rest of the world. In this perspective, we believe it is essential that the first president embodies the spirit and values of the European project.

For some time now, increasingly insistent news reports have made evident a wish, in some quarters, to see Tony Blair appointed the first President of the European Council. This appointment, were it to take place, would be in total contradiction with the values professed by the European project.

In violation of international law, Tony Blair committed his country to a war in Iraq that a large majority of European citizens opposed. This war has claimed hundreds of thousands of victims and displaced millions of refugees. It has been a major factor in today's profound destabilisation of the Middle East, and has weakened world security. In order to lead his country into war, Mr Blair made systematic use of fabricated evidence and the manipulation of information. His role in the Iraq war would weigh heavily on the image of the Union in the world, should he in fact be named its president.

The steps taken by Tony Blair's government, and his complicity with the Bush administration in the illegal programme of "extraordinary renditions", have led to an unprecedented decline in civil liberties. This is in contradiction with the terms of the European Convention of Human Rights, which is an integral part of the treaty.

The European Charter of Fundamental Rights formalises the founding values of the European project and is one of the pillars of the new treaty. Tony Blair fought its inclusion in the Treaty of Lisbon, and eventually managed to secure an exemption for the UK.

Rather than move European integration forward, the former British Prime Minister set a series of so-called red lines during the Lisbon negotiations², with the intent of blocking any progress in social issues and tax harmonisation, as well as common defence and foreign policy.

Furthermore, it seems unthinkable that the first President of the European Council should be the former head of a government that kept its country out of two key elements of the construction of Europe: the Schengen area of free movement of people and the Euro zone.

At a time when one of the priorities of the European institutions is to reconnect with its citizens, we believe it is essential that the President of the European Council should be a person with whom a majority of citizens can identify, rather than one rejected by a majority³. Therefore, we declare our total opposition to this nomination.


  1. Treaty of Lisbon, Article 1, point 16, inserting Article 9 B into the Treaty on European Union, points 5 and 6 (2007/C 306/17, 18)
  2. Blair sets out EU treaty demands, BBC, June 2007
  3. Table 6 in FT/Harris poll, June 2007

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May I use the occasion to ask to the various translators to translate the little texts found mostly on the left column ? So that we can put up their version.

The concept that socialisation has to be linked to business relationships is a great victory for business relationships, not for socialisation...
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 04:41:50 AM EST

Unterzeichnen Sie die Petition!

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Wer redet über uns?
Financial Times, 04/02/2008
Daily Kos, 04/02/2008
Der ursprüngliche Petitionsentwurf

Presseerklärungen
Noch keine!

I took the more formal "Sie" address, which makes the headline look like an order. "Die Petition unterzeichnen" would be more neutral.

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu

by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 06:48:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The German version is now up. I made some changes, but criticism of the changes is welcome.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 02:53:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
"Stoppt Blair!"
Is the "Du" address, whereas "Sie" is used everywhere else. But I agree that "Stoppen Sie Blair!" sounds weird.

Instead of "ein Mandat das einmal erneuert werden kann":
"ein Mandat, das ein Mal erneuert werden kann". The comma is obligatory, "einmal" should be clear enough.

Left box:
"über vielen anderen Dingen" is incorrect, "über viele andere Dinge"

I'm okay with "völligen Widerstand" and "rote Linien", though it sounds rather unusual. But translations often do.

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu

by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 08:06:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]
  • Stoppt Blair: I thought this is must be slogan-like, thus it could be informal. But if it is too incoherent, what about "Stoppen wir Blair!"? (That was also the only way I could solve it in Hungarian.)

  • OK about the comma. Though "ein Mal" is better, I took "einmal" from the Treaty text.

  • Akkusativ, not Dativ... OK.

  • I did hear "völligen Widerstand" before, though it may be local (looking up with Google, there is also "totalen Widerstand", and quite frequently, "Total-Opposition" auf Neudeutsch...). Should I revert back?

  • With "rote Linien", I adopted the translation used in the German media (examples: Spiegel, taz, FAZ, ORF), though it got less into public consciousness than the English version in Britain -- and Brussels. (I note the term was recently used in German politics, too.)


*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 05:34:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm totally okay with the text as it is, I was just commenting on the changes.

I'm a writer, occasionally, so I tend to think too much about the exact meaning of German words in general. I don't like it when the media just translates things literally even when they look odd in German, as with the red lines ("macht Sinn" is a more common example, widely in use only through sloppy translations).

But even the Spiegel and the FAZ do it, so it's absolutely okay for the site and its purpose.

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu

by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 06:46:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The number of signatures is rising and, uh ohhh - the comments are fun to read. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 05:59:59 AM EST
Yes! I kept the "comment" field because I thought it could be fun...

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 06:52:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
To be sure not to forget anything in the translation, and to ease up the workload on those with server access :

Start from the html source of the english version : http://stopblair.eu/indexen.html (it is the one that'll have all the latest formatting) (to see the source, type Ctrl+U in FireFox, don't know about others)

Save that on your computer.

Translate into your language everything that isn't between < >. Keep everything that is between < >, in order to keep the formatting. If possible make sure your text editor is encoding in utf-8 if your language has non-standard letters, diacritics, etc...

Also, download into the same directory http://stopblair.eu/styleBlairPetition.css
Open the translated file with your web browser, check the formatting is ok...

Email the resulting file to me, migeru, Colman.

The concept that socialisation has to be linked to business relationships is a great victory for business relationships, not for socialisation...

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 06:00:03 AM EST
Állítsuk meg Blairt! is up ! Thanks Dodo for following the instructions !

The concept that socialisation has to be linked to business relationships is a great victory for business relationships, not for socialisation...
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 07:10:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]
And thanks for the German version :

Stoppt Blair ! is up !

Thanks to Turambar for the translation !

The concept that socialisation has to be linked to business relationships is a great victory for business relationships, not for socialisation...

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 02:20:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Antonin, Migeru, Colman, give me a 4 if you received the file. Torres did not saw any flaw at the first glance.
by findmeaDoorIntoSummer on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 12:25:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Hi,

Possbible (minor) corrections:

"nomeação de Tony Blair à Presidência do Conselho da União Europeia"

maybe

"nomeação de Tony Blair para a Presidência do Conselho da União Europeia"

and

"sobre a imagem da União no mundo, caso fosse ele eleito presidente."

maybe

"sobre a imagem da União no mundo, caso ele fosse eleito presidente."

Of all forms of caution, caution in love is perhaps the most fatal to true happiness - Bertrand Russell

by tiagoantao (put_my_login_here <> gmail com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 12:47:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
your first suggestion is certainly an improvement. the second may be better, however i chose some dramatical style on this sentence - unlike "total" and "opposition [oposição]", by changing the order of the two words, because our brain immediately captures the meaning right from "caso [in case (literally)]". However an far more important principle arises here: be as short as possible; since "ele [he]" can be removed therefore it must be removed. i'll send the corrected file.
by findmeaDoorIntoSummer on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 06:40:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It was already up ;)

The concept that socialisation has to be linked to business relationships is a great victory for business relationships, not for socialisation...
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 12:41:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
how?
by findmeaDoorIntoSummer on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 06:52:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Also, I have only looked at the site with IE7 and Firefox on WinXP... Does the site look similar on other browsers ?

The concept that socialisation has to be linked to business relationships is a great victory for business relationships, not for socialisation...
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 06:04:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]
looks the same with Opera on XP

As we journey through life, we should keep an iron grip, to the very end, on the capacity for silliness. It preserves the soul from dessication.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 06:13:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]
it's fine with konqueror or firefox on openSuse.
by findmeaDoorIntoSummer on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 12:34:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Paremos a Blair!

Petición contra la nominación de Tony Blair como "Presidente de la Unión Europea"

¡Firme la Petición!

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Los firmantes, ciudadanos europeos de todo origen y orientación política, deseamos expresar nuestra total oposición a la nominación de Tony Blair como Presidente del Consejo Europeo.

El Tratado de Lisboa prevé la creación de un puesto de Presidente del Consejo de la Unión Europea, elegido por el Consejo para un mandato de dos años y medio, renovable una vez. Bajo los términos del tratado: el Presidente "presidirá e impulsará los trabajos del Consejo Europeo" y "velará por la preparación y continuidad de los trabajos del Consejo Europeo". Además, "asumirá, en su rango y condición, la representación exterior de la Unión en los asuntos de política exterior y de seguridad común, sin perjuicio de las atribuciones del Alto Representante de la Unión para Asuntos Exteriores y Política de Seguridad"¹.

El futuro Presidente del Consejo Europeo tendrá, por tanto, un papel clave en la determinación de las políticas de la Unión y en sus relaciones con el resto del mundo. Esta primera Presidencia del Consejo tendrá también un gran peso simbólico tanto para los ciudadanos de la Unión Europea como para la imagen de la Unión en el resto del mundo. Desde esta perspectiva, creemos que es esencial que el primer Presidente encarne el espíritu y los valores del proyecto europeo.

Desde hace algún tiempo, noticias cada vez más insistentes han hecho evidente el deseo de algunos de ver a Tony Blair nombrado primer Presidente del Consejo Europeo. Este nombramiento, si llegara a producirse, estaría en total contradicción con los valores profesados por el proyecto europeo.

En violación del derecho internacional, Tony Blair comprometió a su país a una guerra en Iraq a la que se oponía una amplia mayoría de los ciudadanos europeos. Esta guerra ha causado centenares de miles de víctimas y ha desplazado a millones de refugiados. Ha sido un factor importante en la profunda desestabilización actual del Oriente Medio, y ha debilitado la seguridad en el mundo. Para llevar a su país a la guerra, utilizó de manera sistemática pruebas falsificadas y la manipulación de la información. Su papel en la guerra de Irak pesaría como una losa sobre la imagen de la Union en el mundo si se diera el caso de ser nombrado su Presidente.

Los pasos dados por el gobierno de Tony Blair, y su complicidad con la administración de Bush en el programa ilegal de "rendiciones extraordinarias", han llevado a un deterioro sin precedentes en las libertades civiles. Esto está en contradicción con los términos de la Convención Europea de Derechos Humanos que forma parte integrante del Tratado.

La Carta de los derechos fundamentales de la Unión Europea formaliza los valores fundacionales del proyecto europeo y es uno de los pilares del nuevo Tratado. Tony Blair luchó contra su inclusión en el Tratado de Lisboa, y finalmente obtuvo una exención para el Reino Unido.

Más que impulsar la integración europea, el anterior Primer Ministro británico estableció una serie de así llamadas "líneas rojas" durante las negociaciones del Tratado de Lisboa², con la intención de bloquear cualquer progreso en asuntos sociales o armonización fiscal, así como en la política de defensa y exterior común.

Es más, nos parece impensable que el primer Presidente del Consejo Europeo sea al antiguo jefe de un gobierno que mantuvo a su país fuera de dos elementos clave de la construcción europea: la zona Schengen de libre circulación de personas y la zona Euro.

Cuando una de las prioridades de las instituciones europeas es reconectar con sus cuidadanos, creemos que es esencial que el Presidente del Consejo Europeo sea una persona con la que una mayoría de los ciudadanos se puedan identificar, más que alguien rechazado por una mayoría³. Por tanto, declaramos nuestra total oposición a esta nominación.

   1. Tratado de Lisboa, Artículo 1, sección 16, que inserta un Artículo 9 B en el Tratado sobre la Unión Europea, secciones 5 y 6 (2007/C 306/17, 18) ↑
   2. Blair expone sus demandas sobre el tratado de la UE, BBC, Junio de 2007 ↑
   3. Tabla 6 del sondeo de FT/Harris, Junio de 2007 ↑

¡Firme la Petición!

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 08:05:43 AM EST
No a Tony Blair como Presidente del Consejo de la Unión Europea
Paremos a Blair!
Now up!

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 10:56:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Stop Blair = Stop Blair. Title and final version, here.

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by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 08:56:18 AM EST
Still needs the window title.

The concept that socialisation has to be linked to business relationships is a great victory for business relationships, not for socialisation...
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 11:14:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
And "the initial petition proposal"

The concept that socialisation has to be linked to business relationships is a great victory for business relationships, not for socialisation...
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 11:19:20 AM EST
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Stop Blair (.nl) is up ! (except for the two missing bits)

Thanks for the translation !

The concept that socialisation has to be linked to business relationships is a great victory for business relationships, not for socialisation...

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 11:29:56 AM EST
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Window: Nee tegen Tony Blair als President van de Europese Raad

IPP: Oorspronkelijk voorstel voor de petitie

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 11:58:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Updated.

The concept that socialisation has to be linked to business relationships is a great victory for business relationships, not for socialisation...
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 12:21:32 PM EST
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Nanne, there is one thing with your translation: do you think that commentary in italics (left out in the current version) is necessary? If so, linca will put it up, too.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 04:30:09 PM EST
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No, it's not necessary. I left it out of the final version. Have to check too many old books for it right now.

If questions come up, explanations can be given. For now the petition is good as it stands, I think.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 06:37:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Two quick last-minute edit suggestions

1st, on the link from the Latvian flag we say "No Lettonian version is yet available," I think the standard English is "Latvian".

2nd, we say on the petition "We, European citizens" but at the signature page we say that one need not be European to sign. Maybe there was a discussion on this I missed, not saying that non-Europeans signing it is a bad thing of course, just maybe the wording on the signature page might be changed to "non-EU citizens are invited to sign in support of this EU citizen's inititiave" or something of the sort...

Freiheit ist immer Freiheit der Andersdenkenden

by redstar on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 10:54:14 AM EST
1rst is corrected...

The concept that socialisation has to be linked to business relationships is a great victory for business relationships, not for socialisation...
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 11:06:49 AM EST
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Yes, the standard English is Latvian. (There's also Lettish, the dictionary says, but I've never seen it used).

That's a good point about the "We, European citizens..." Others can sign up because the nationality and residence fields can be used as filters. But perhaps the text needs altering or a note adding...

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 11:19:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Sorry I butted in at such a late stage, I've been so badly handled by work and illness these past few weeks that I've really been unable to seriously contribute much other than trite attempts at humor of late.

Freiheit ist immer Freiheit der Andersdenkenden
by redstar on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 11:36:15 AM EST
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You are referring to the Lithuanian version. The Latvian flag is the one with Dark Red-White-Red and the text says correctly "Latvian". Yellow-Green-Red is Lithuania's flag and the text says "Lettonian". Correcting it now...

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 11:38:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Thanks. The French names (Lettonie and Lituanie) are quite different so I constantly mix them up in English...

The concept that socialisation has to be linked to business relationships is a great victory for business relationships, not for socialisation...
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 11:48:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Stop Blair campaign gathers pace in Europe

You're clearly a dangerous pinko commie pragmatist.
by Vagulus on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 11:45:16 AM EST
I updated the "They Talk About Us" section in the English version.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 11:57:57 AM EST
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Shouldn't we have a link to the campaign site from the front page of here? maybe left hand somewhere under the ET logo.

As we journey through life, we should keep an iron grip, to the very end, on the capacity for silliness. It preserves the soul from dessication.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 01:14:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Good idea, but I'd put it up once Loefing creates the logo.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 03:10:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Which logo?

I don't understand :)

or do I ..

by Loefing on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 03:42:00 PM EST
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The one proposed by redstar, also see downthread. I am serious.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 04:27:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Here you are.

Following is a rendition of the Blair petition logo idea, using EU flag stars and Blair's mug.

I had to fiddle a bit to bring out the 'interdit' aspect, as the stars alone weren't quite enough to get the idea across.



Comments, criticism are welcome.

Hmm, now that I see it in the browser, there may not be enough contrast between the blue paler blue ring [under the stars] and the ground ...

[I like this. h/t to redstar. It'd add an element of humor to an otherwise dry layout].

by Loefing on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 11:36:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
With a bit more contrast:

by Loefing on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 02:48:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I have been repeatedly looking on the logo, great work loefing. However, everytime I look at it, I feel like the  picture is to nice, or even to friendly. Isn't there a picture were he looks a little more 'devilish'?
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 03:02:21 PM EST
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You don't think that smile is evil incarnated? :-)

But I certainly see your point.

I looked through dozens of pictures of Mr Blair and thought the one I chose was the most characteristic, with that utterly insincere grin. Yuk.

If you want 'ugly', with a touch of militantism, see my  first try

There are other pictures out there. Attention, many of them are copyright. There were some great photos of Tony Blair masks [!], which I'd have loved to use but didn't for fear of copyright issues.

by Loefing on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 03:27:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I guess I still remember one picture of him, which has become the symbole of him. It was a very faustian picture, of someone who sold his soul. I have been googling but can't find it. And of course I didn't think of the copyright. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 04:09:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
What about a red stripe across as in "no entry" sign -- the logo is pretty which at first glance might give viewer the impressions that logi is in support of a Tony Blair EU presidency. Just my two cents worth.
by The3rdColumn on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 03:40:31 PM EST
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I would replace the pale blue with red, also under the outside circle of stars, but that's just me.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 05:08:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Do you mean the picture from the tory devil eyes poster



As we journey through life, we should keep an iron grip, to the very end, on the capacity for silliness. It preserves the soul from dessication.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 04:08:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No, but this is a good one. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 04:10:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yikes!
by The3rdColumn on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 09:26:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Now with more contrast, less blue across the mug and brighter stars ... I hope.

Does that look better on your respective platforms?

by Loefing on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 03:08:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
A final option in response to afew's and Dodo's observations:


by Loefing on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 04:14:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Cool!

Now, what about a reduced-size version (175px wide) for ET, with STOP BLAIR in it? I was thinking of something like:

...but I have little sense for aesthetics, so this is only intended to give you ideas.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 04:47:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Also now that it is in the Economist, we could use their white against red block motif for the Stop and the Blair...

Freiheit ist immer Freiheit der Andersdenkenden
by redstar on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 06:01:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
We'll see if this blogger from The Economist is still laughing at us "leftists" when we get one million signatures.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 06:05:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Don't hold your breath. He still will. If Bliar could laugh about 1.5 million protesters, what about a writer for a propaganda outlet...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 06:13:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

British readers of the satirical magazine Private Eye may be reminded of the fictional leftist character, Dave Spart, who was forever to be heard explaining how he "totally and utterly" opposed some reactionary development or other.

Well, he does agree that it is a reactionary development, right? Or he's being too subtle for me. And I thought that nowadays it was the unreconstructed left that was reactionary.

And "leftist" is not an insult anymore - isn't that how they describe all center-left leaders these days?

This gets so confusing...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 06:15:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
but you have to remember that in certain circles John McCain is derided and thought not worth voting for because he's a leftist.

As we journey through life, we should keep an iron grip, to the very end, on the capacity for silliness. It preserves the soul from dessication.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 06:17:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Heh, that's true, it's hard to figure out if we're Stalinist reactionaries or leftish extremists or euronuts or whatever else they come up with these days.

Diciphering the ideological content of the invective is becoming an art which might require the same sort of academic study as once pursued during the cold war, filtering the People's Daily for iterations of running yellow dogs of Capitalism and so forth.

Dizzying.

Freiheit ist immer Freiheit der Andersdenkenden

by redstar on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 06:21:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Have a 10!

You should write a diary about that...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 06:32:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Heh. Maybe I will.

Personally, I prefer the former myself...

Freiheit ist immer Freiheit der Andersdenkenden

by redstar on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 06:53:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The Economist guy is an absolute jerk -- has he checked the 'credentials' of every single E Tribuner and the petition signatories?
by The3rdColumn on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 09:34:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
So, basically, the blogger seems to be arguing that since Blair compares favourably to Bloody Mary, he would make a fine EU president... I think I'll pass on that offer, thank you very much. Something about burning heretics at the stake and all that just kinda sorta puts me off the notion...

- Jake

"It seems to an outsider that Americans have a deep distrust of their government. Frankly, I don't blame them. I don't trust [their] government either."

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 04:32:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Good. This is meant for the ET FP, I gather?

I'll do my best to provide something by tomorrow early pm.

by Loefing on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 06:13:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, thanks in advance, and good night! I should go to sleep, too...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 06:15:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Ah... that's more like it. Explicitly anti Blair.
by The3rdColumn on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 09:29:09 PM EST
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That's it, looks great to me.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 04:39:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
To me too!
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 04:42:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
If I might be utterly annoying - the design I put up calls for a 5 width, 4 height proportions. Could you (or anybody) add a bit of blue to the sides to reach these proportions ? I'm clueless with graphic edition tools...

The concept that socialisation has to be linked to business relationships is a great victory for business relationships, not for socialisation...
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 05:57:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Contact me at my professional gmail address if you would.

I was going to suggest in any case that you set the logo with a left margin, lining it up with the flag menu beneath it ...

It was a design mistake on my part to specify the logo flush left.

But, well, drop me a line.

by Loefing on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 06:30:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That looks fine (xp, firefox and opera)

As we journey through life, we should keep an iron grip, to the very end, on the capacity for silliness. It preserves the soul from dessication.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 03:10:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I checked on IE and it looks fine to me too. Just wondering, why not make the blue darker over his face?
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 03:15:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Cuz afew suggested that it might better be toned down.

see above.

Je demeure là pour toutes les suggestions. :-)

by Loefing on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 03:33:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No, I suggested darker blue, more opaque so the bar stands out clearly.

For me, a combination of versions 2 and 3 would be good. The bar across face of 2, the rest of 3.

I like the Blair pic itself, it's typical of him selling himself as a grinning schoolboy.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 03:51:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
is this whats being called, being between a rock and a hard place. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 04:11:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Or ... someone else come up with an idea if this one is not suitable.

over and out.

by Loefing on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 01:24:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That is brilliant!

and beautiful too...

Freiheit ist immer Freiheit der Andersdenkenden

by redstar on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 01:33:57 PM EST
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Great work, Loefing, I love it! (Sorry I didn't see it earlier).

If I have a suggestion (but others may disagree), it would be : could you make the "prohibited" bar across his face just a little more opaque? So, at first glance, some people may not take it for a plug for Blair President?

But other people should say how they see it!

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 02:26:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Still not convinced theres enough contrast , maybe the ground should be a lot lighter.

As we journey through life, we should keep an iron grip, to the very end, on the capacity for silliness. It preserves the soul from dessication.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 02:31:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Also, is that the correct yellow for the stars? They appear a bit darkish-pale to me.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 02:38:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Há que parar Blair ! is up ! Thanks, findmeaDoorIntoSummer

The concept that socialisation has to be linked to business relationships is a great victory for business relationships, not for socialisation...
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 12:25:33 PM EST
It still need to go through a spell checker.. specially the accent... but it is a first.. and I am proud to present it..

Nosaltres, ciutadans europeus de diferents orígens i tendències polítiques, volem expressar la nostra total oposició a la nominació de Tony Blair a la presidència del Consell Europeu.

El Tractat de Lisboa crea  la nova figura de President del Consell Europeu, càrrec escollit pel Consell per un mandat de dos anys i mig, renovable només una vegada. Sota els termes del Tractat: "El President de Consell Europeu encapçalarà les seves discussions i dirigirà els seus treballs" i "assumira les preparacions i la continuïtat del treball del Consell Europeu". A més a més, "El President del Consell Europeu assumirà, en el seu nivell i en la seva consideració, la representació exterior de la Unió en temes relacionats amb la política exterior i la seguretat comuna"

El futur President del Consell Europeu, tindrà, per tant, un paper clau en la determinació de les polítiques de la Unió Europea i les seves relacions amb la resta del món. Aquesta primera presidència del Consell també tindrà un gran caire simbòlic tan pels ciutadans de la Unió europea com per la imatge de la Unió en la resta del món. Davant aquestes consideracions, creiem que és essencial que el primer president representi l'esperit i els valors del projecte Europeu.

D'un temps ençà, s'han incrementat les informacions que fan evident un desig per part d'alguns sector d'escollir Tony Blair com el primer President del Consell Europeu. Si aquest fos el cas, la seva selecció aniria en contra de tots els valors que professa el projecte Europeu.  

Violant la llei internacional, Tony Blair va involucrar el seu país en un guerra a l'Iraq que la gran majoria de ciutadans europeus va rebutjar. Aquesta guerra ha generat centenars de milers de víctimes i desplaçat milions de refugiats. Ha estat un factor principal en l'ara profunda desestabilització de l'Orient Mitjà, a més de debilitar la seguretat mundial. Per tal de guiar el seu país a la guerra, el Sr Blair va fer un ús sistemàtic de proves falses i de manipulació informativa. Si arriba a ser President, el seu paper en la guerra d'Iraq marcarà negativament la imatge de la Unió en el món,

Els passos presos pel govern de Tony Blair, i la seva complicitat amb l'administració Bush, en el programa il·legal de "rendicions extraordinàries" han portat a una forta reducció de les llibertats civils. Això està en forta contradicció amb l'establert a la Convenció Europea de Drets Humans, que és una part integral del tractat.

La Carta Europea de Drets Fonamentals formalitza els valors fundacionals del projecte Europeu i és un dels pilars del nou tractat. Tony Blair va lluitar en contra de la seva inclusió en el Tractat de Lisboa, i finalment va aconseguir una exempció pel Regne Unit.

Enlloc d'impulsar la integració europea, l'ex Primer Ministre Britànic va fixar una sèrie d'anomenades "línies vermelles" durant les negociacions del tractat de Lisboa amb l'intent de bloquejar qualsevol progrés en temes socials, d'harmonització fiscal o de política exterior i de seguretat comuna.

A més a més. sembla poc imaginable que el primer President del Consell Europeu sigui l'antic cap d'un govern que va mantenir el seu país fora de dos dels elements claus en la construcció Europea: l'àrea Shengen de lliure moviment de persones i la zona Euro

En un moment en què una de les prioritats de les institucions europees es connectar amb els ciutadans, creiem fonamental que el President del Consell Europeu sigui una persona amb la qual la gran majoria de ciutadans es puguin identificar, i no pas una persona rebutjada per la majoria de la població. Per tant, declarem la nostra oposició frontal a la seva nominació.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 02:25:07 PM EST
Salut I força al canut!

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 02:30:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yepa!!

i would stillsomehow to read it from outside.. someone that has nto seen the english or the spanish version... there must be a tone of english and spanish incorrect expressions (well maybe three or four)...

But to make this change I would need more time.. I do nto know what is best.. to check myself this version adn give it the go... and then fix it.. or wait for an external opinion.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 02:38:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'll post de Gondi's Italian and JakeS' Danish versions after I take J to school. That will bring the total to 10 languages.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 03:09:10 AM EST
If you need a Swedish version still, I can try my hand at quickly translating it.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 06:27:10 AM EST
That would be very welcomed!

(Finnish from anyone willing, too.)

Take care to 1) quote the Swedish version of the Treaty verbatim, 2) also translate the other texts on the stopblair.eu page (title, page title, sidebar).

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 06:49:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Stoppa Blair!

Protestlista mot nomineringen av Tony Blair som "Europeiska unionens president"

Vi undertecknade, europeiska medborgare av alla härkomster och politiska övertygelser, önskar uttrycka vårt fullständiga motstånd mot nomineringen av Tony Blair som Europeiska rådets ordförande.

Lissabonfördraget förordar inrättandet av en ordförandepost för det Europeiska rådet. Denna ordförande väljs av rådet för en mandatperiod av två och ett halvt år, och kan återväljas högst en gång. Enligt fördraget ska Europeiska rådets ordförande "leda Europeiska rådets arbete och driva det framåt" och "säkerställa förberedelserna av och kontinuiteten i Europeiska rådets arbete". Vidare ska Europeiska rådets ordförande "på sin nivå och i denna egenskap representera unionen utåt i de frågor som omfattas av den gemensamma utrikes- och säkerhetspolitiken".¹

Den kommande ordföranden kommer alltså att spela en nyckelroll i bestämmandet av Europeiska unionens politik och unionens relation till resten av världen. Detta första ordförandeskap kommer också att ha ett stort symboliskt värde för både Europeiska unionens medborgare och för unionens anseende i resten av världen. Med detta i åtanke anser vi att det är nödvändigt att den första ordföranden förkroppsligar det europeiska projektets anda och värderingar.

Under den senaste tiden har allt mer påträngande nyhetsrapporter låtit gälla att det hos vissa finns en önskan att se Tony Blair utnämnd som det Europeiska rådets första ordförande. Denna utnämning, ifall den inträffar, skulle stå fullständigt i strid med de värderinger som det europeiska projekt sägs inneha.

Kränkandes internationell lag drog Tony Blair sitt land med i kriget i Irak, ett krig som en stor majoritet av Europas medborgare opponerade sig emot. Detta krig har krävt hundratusentals dödsoffer och tvingat miljontals människor att fly sina hem. Detta krig har i stor utsträckning bidragit till dagens destabilisering av Mellanöstern, och det har lett till försämrad säkerhet världen över. För att få sitt land med i detta krig använde sig Blair systematiskt av förfalskade bevis och manipulerad information. Hans roll i kriget i Irak skulle kasta en skugga på unionen och dess anseende i världen, ifall Blair blev utnämnd till dess ordförande.

De steg som Tony Blairs regering har tagit, och  Blairs samarbete med Bushadministrationen vad beträffar det illegala programmet för "extraordinära överlämningar", har lett till en hittills oöverträffad tillbakagång för grundläggande mänskliga friheter och rättigheter. Det står också i strid med Europakonventionen om mänskliga rättigheter, som är en intergral del av fördraget.

Rättighetsstadgan formaliserar det europeiska projektets grundvärderingar och är en av grundpelarna i det nya fördraget. Tony Blair motsatte sig dess insättning i fördraget, och lyckades till slut säkerställa ett undantag för Storbritannien.

Istället för att leda den europeiska integrationen framåt, lade den dåvarande premiärministern fram flertalet så kallade "red lines" under förhandlingarna i Lissabon², vars syfte var att blockera alla framsteg vad gäller så väl sociala problem och skatteharmonisering som en gemensam europeisk försvars- och utrikespolitik.

Det förefaller oss dessutom otänkbart att Europeiska rådets första ordförande skulle vara ett före detta regeringsöverhuvud som hållit sitt land utanför två nyckelelement i Europas uppbyggande: Schengensamarbetet för fri rörlighet samt euroområdet.

Vid en tidpunkt då en av de europeiska institutionernas prioriteter är att återvinna Europas medborgares förtroende, förefaller det oss nödvändigt att Europeiska rådets ordförande är en person som en majoritet av Europas medborgare kan identifiera sig med, snarare än en person som en majoritet har förkastat³. Därför motsätter vi oss fullständigt denna nominering.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde

by NordicStorm on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 07:57:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Can you follow linca's translator instructions?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 08:19:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Done and doner.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 08:55:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Swedish version now up.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 09:07:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Gaah, forgot to &quot; the quotation marks in the subheader (Namnlinsamling mot nomineringen av Tony Blair som ?Europeiska unionens president?). Curse you, Notepad!

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 09:12:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Uh oh, I suppose a few responses like this here and there are inevitable as word spreads.

(Digital Spy Forums) Eurosceptics heads to explode: Euronuts take on Blair
These are European federalists at their core, so where should our support lay? Is it a simple choice, can't we oppose Blair but oppose the French plan to discredit and remove Britain's independence?

http://www.stopblair.eu/


The above is from a Google query for stopblair.eu. I suppose a tongue in cheek way to reframe their question could be "OK, he's a bastard, but is he OUR bastard?"

You're clearly a dangerous pinko commie pragmatist.
by Vagulus on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 07:10:55 AM EST
Interesting comments...

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 07:18:17 AM EST
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The petition obviously challenges the author's worldview of "friend" and "enemy" (their words, not mine). But fear not: in spite of cognitive dissonance, our pigeonholing as 'French' and 'Euronuts' is safe as ever.

You're clearly a dangerous pinko commie pragmatist.
by Vagulus on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 10:48:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
#1427 has made up his mind. A little weeding may be necessary.
by det on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 10:28:58 AM EST
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Danish version up, thanks to JakeS!

Jake, why do you prefer "sprog" rather than "versioner"?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 07:11:41 AM EST
14 languages to go !

Italian and Swedish are next, I gather ?

The concept that socialisation has to be linked to business relationships is a great victory for business relationships, not for socialisation...

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 07:15:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]
A friend of mine said she's try to do Romanian...

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 at 07:23:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Partly because 'versioner' in Danish implies difference in content. At least to my ears. And my ears are pretty anglicised, so if an anglicism sounds odd to me, then I am willing to bet a bottle of beer that it'l