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American meddling in Europe and Kosovo

by euamerican
Tue Mar 18th, 2008 at 07:58:47 AM EST

 There was a great hope for people like me that a greater role for Europe on the international stage after the ratification of the Lisbon treaty would mean Europe drawing the line on international law, especially against the United States. Here, there will not be an argument as to the illegality of "Kosovo independence" for the view of UN Resolution 1244, but the Americans continued willingness to violate international law - and the willingness of some European leaders to place their best interests last in favor of American interests. Kosovo - and the divisions it has caused in Europe are indicative of how much we need to put a stop to American meddling in Europe!

But - the Kosovo debacle being thrust on Europe by the United States and proceeding tampering in the EU presidency indicates that we have a long way to go to ensure real independence for Europe. The Americans continue to take advantage and maintain the chaotic order of international relations for the benefit of the US. There could be real progress in creating some order in the international system, except the Americans would like the international order to remain chaotic, as it is more shapeable to American preferences using the Morgenthau- Machiavellian realist theories and paradigms that dominate American foreign policy.

Europe could have played a role in creating a better legal order, but that potential role has been marred by the Kosovo debacle, including acceptance of the illegal "independence" by most European nations. In the background, we have the revelation of American meddling in the Slovenian EU presidency, in which the American State Department demanded that the "Kosovo independence" and a European Union police mission be a part of the Slovenian agenda for its presidency.

The arm-twisting against European nations to recognize the Kosovo independence declaration was even felt in Italy by the normally pro-Europe Romano Prodi government:

 

"This was not the Prodi government's preferred outcome until George W. Bush visited Italy and Albania last summer to advocate independence for Kosovo. It looked too difficult to say no to the United States and split with the United Kingdom, France and the Germany, who were more inclined to influence, and not impede, Kosovo's independence while keeping it less than absolute." From: Serbian Ambassador Leaves As Rome Recognises Kosovo- Corriere.


Most importantly was the American meddling in the EU presidency. In the article, published in EUbusiness on 29 January, 2008 discloses how the now disgraced Slovenian political minister Mitja Drobnic had met with US Assistant Secretary of State Daniel Fried. Fried demanded that Slovenia be the first to "recognize Kosovo independence."

We get further details of the Americans' meddling of the EU presidency in an article in the 22 February addition of The Slovenia Times, during the height of the Kosovo crisis, of the December meeting in Washington - as well as the Slovenian Foreign Ministry's outrageous reaction to the so-called "leak:"

 

...talks between Foreign Ministry official Mitja Drobni and US State Department officials on December 24th 2007, it was suggested to Drobnič what Slovenia's priorities should be during its six-month presidency and who should be the first country to recognize Kosovo as an independent state.

What are troubling are the Slovenian Foreign Ministry's reaction to the "leak" and the even more disturbing reaction by Slovenia's diplomatic corps, which actually placed into question the whistleblowers' loyalty to both their nation and its interests. This reaction is indicative of just how much some, especially East European nations, place American interests above their own, and believe that serving American interests are Europe's interests. This article also reports of the calls for the resignation of Slovenia's foreign minister, Dimitrij Rupel:

"Dr Rupel, who immediately ordered an investigation into the leak, did not deny the existence of the document nor its content, while a Foreign Ministry statement characterized those who had leaked the document as `neither loyal citizens of Slovenia nor worthy of being called diplomats.' Slovenia's diplomatic corps was also critical of the leaking and publication of the document. `This would not have happened if it were not for the dishonesty of some Foreign Ministry employees who seemingly are no longer interested in doing something constructive for their country,' a petition signed by 339 diplomatic staff members stated. In the meantime, Prime Minister Janez Janša denied that anyone is trying to tell Slovenia how to preside over the EU, while the foreign minister tried to assert that the leaked document had not harmed Slovenia's relationship with the USA, although it had caused `some minor tension.' " (emphasis mine).

Rather than trying to mend fences with the obvious damage to the credibility to European intuitions that this American meddling and their own complicity has cause - the Slovenian Foreign Ministry went after the brave whistleblower, who was suspected to be Ambassador Marjan Šetinc. The authorities of Slovenian Foreign Ministry seized Ambassador Šetinc's computers and found his phone records connected to the Dnevnik daily, which first published the reports of American meddling. In reality, Ambassador Šetinc is a hero for both the freedom and independence of Slovenia and for Europe. Perhaps Šetinc's brave example demonstrates that Slovenia has traded the Soviet master for the American master - like many European leaders have been doing for decades!

Cited articles and further reading on US-led Kosovo debacle:

Slovenian diplomat quits after report of US meddling in EU presidency - EUbusiness-

The Headaches of Diplomacy -The Slovenia Times

 Slovenia under US influence? - Courier International -

When Americans believe to Control Europe... Young European Federalist -

Serbian Ambassador Leaves As Rome Recognises Kosovo- Corriere -

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In the context of the Balkans and Kosovo specifically, I really don't understand why the focus is on the US's actions when members of the EU are as integral and pivotal.

Germany, for instance, recognized the ex-Yugos early on at a time when the US was completely against the disintegration of the country.

In addition, Germany was also key in aiding the KLA long before Kosovo got really hot.

It seems backward to assume that the US is tugging the Europeans ino this. It may be leading, but the Europeans are very very willing on this one.

by Upstate NY on Tue Mar 18th, 2008 at 11:03:21 AM EST
...because Europe and the Slovenian Presidency did not have to go along with this, or could have taken the December meeting as recommendations. Instead, we see the Slovenians in goose step with Daddy Washington's Kosovo policy with giving any serious thoughts about the divisions it would cause in Europe - or the long-term of "the republic of Kosovo" as the basket case (mafias and criminals, people and drug trafficking) and a LARGE expenses for Europe in the coming years, especially in social costs.

For the Slovenian Presidency, as with others European leaders, it became more about pleasing America and "serving America" rather than what is really in the best interests of Europe and Europe's future.

In the coming years we will see that it would have been better to leave Kosovo alone, as Serbia, and have it enter the European Union when Serbia become a member...
 

by euamerican on Tue Mar 18th, 2008 at 01:53:15 PM EST
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Slovenia is a small fish here.

There are big EU players in this that needed no coaxing from Washington.

by Upstate NY on Tue Mar 18th, 2008 at 02:55:37 PM EST
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It's the symbolism. Not only does Slovenia hold the rotating presidency while all this is happening, they are also the most "successful" of the ex-Yu countries (least amount of violence, etc.). Slovenia going along with the U.S. makes the U.S.'s plans, whatever they are, look more credible.

"You can't be a successful crook with a dishonest face, now, can you?" -The Fourth Doctor
by lychee (lychee9393 A yahoo D com) on Tue Mar 18th, 2008 at 04:31:02 PM EST
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Slovenia, however, is also a key part of that old Italy-Austria-Hungary-Croatia bloc that has stuck together through centuries.

We're talking a long history of the center of Europe sticking together.

by Upstate NY on Tue Mar 18th, 2008 at 04:57:48 PM EST
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And it's precisely to counter that bloc that France has been historically aligned with Serbia. Which just goes to prove that alliances shift and change based on real politique and short term financial interests. What on earth are you trying to prove??? That Europe deserves to rebuild the Austro-Hungarian Empire? Hahaha.
by vladimir on Tue Mar 18th, 2008 at 05:04:40 PM EST
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I wasn't trying to prove anything. I already proved it.

Germany and Austria got there first before the US did. in fact, the US administration at the time was up to their waist in Milosevic's water. Lawrence Eagleburger for one wasn't much for Germany's meddling, and one of his good friends James Baker blasted Germany for it. A switch turned on at some point and Baker did a 180.

by Upstate NY on Tue Mar 18th, 2008 at 10:31:01 PM EST
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As far as I recall Croatia and Serbia couldn't wait to see Slovenia break away to create a causus belli for themselves. There really was no fight over Slovenia. Slovenia went its merry way with hardly a casualty. It was a great excuse to move on to seriously dividing up the rest of Yugoslavia by the two main contenders, especially that fat piece of real-estate with no army to speak of, Bosnia-Herzegovina.

The real shit was the instant recognition of Croatia by Germany- and the Vatican of course. Fond memories of the devout Ustashi.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Wed Mar 19th, 2008 at 05:41:58 PM EST
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...and the US giving orders to the Slovenian Foreign Ministry on its "priorities" for its Council Presidency?
by euamerican on Wed Mar 19th, 2008 at 08:48:53 AM EST
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Why did Slovenia have to take orders from Washington?

It'd be nice if the battle were only against the right wingers, not half of the left on top of that — François in Paris
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 19th, 2008 at 09:16:11 AM EST
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"country."  

The US wants it.  

The actions of all players are really pretty predictable here.  

by Gaianne on Thu Mar 20th, 2008 at 01:04:37 AM EST
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There is no such thing.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Mar 20th, 2008 at 02:40:52 PM EST
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Here is my link.  

If you want to refute it, or can, that would be useful for adjusting our knowledge.  

by Gaianne on Fri Mar 21st, 2008 at 08:21:03 PM EST
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I think your mistake is assuming there is such a thing as "international law". There is national law, which is enforced by the police powers of the state.

International law would need to be enforced by a supra-national police force. There is no such entity. So international law is cited when it suits a country's self-interest and ignored when it doesn't.

In international relations it is still the law of the jungle: might makes right. Getting UN support for various military actions does not make it more "legal" than otherwise. It just shows that power politics coincides with some national goals at that moment.

Laws without enforcement are just words.

If Kosovo wasn't going to be allowed to go its own way, what would the alternative be?

Policies not Politics
---- Daily Landscape

by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Tue Mar 18th, 2008 at 01:12:07 PM EST
I happen to be somewhat of a realist myself and I admire Machiavelli, but the world is not always "might makes right."

The use of "might" to solve problems can actually create problems. It is not totally acceptable for a nation to invade another nation, although there is no "police force" to stop it as we understand a "police force" to be. "We" stopped Saddam Hussein when "he" invaded Kuwait and compelled him to retreat. The American invasion of Iraq, while there in no physical way to stop it, was condemned in the world and the American image suffers  because of the invasion. Use "might" too much, and your nation is viewed as a rouge nation.

The use of "might" over everything else is widely condemned in modern international relations, although I DO agree that the world is indeed "chaos." We need to evolve beyond "the chaos of the international order" and have some order, but so as long as the nation-state remains the basic unit of international order, we cannot.

A hope against "might" and an advancement in the global order os for the creation of security communities (like the EU is) where disputes are solved by peaceful means.  Realists and the continued dominance of realism, especially in American foreign policy are also contributing to the problem.

The world is chaos because realists make its so.

by euamerican on Tue Mar 18th, 2008 at 01:50:19 PM EST
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It is based on the law of consequences:  Having agreed to an article of international law, I comply with it now so that other countries will be inclined to comply with it later.  If I don't, they won't.  

More:  International law is based on the idea of good faith--having it and keeping it, over time.  

In the long run, international law works much better than resorting to the army in every dispute.  

Americans do not understand that actions have consequences, and thus can not understand the very notion of international law.  

We are not very good on keeping faith, either.  

by Gaianne on Thu Mar 20th, 2008 at 01:13:34 AM EST
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was being slowly built up, through the power of precedents and good exemples of mighty powers agreeing to be bound by international agreements that nobody could force on them (ie enforce).

This has been thrown out of the window in the past 7 years, as the Bush administration decided to throw out all international restraints on its behavior, and it's going to haunt the US for a long time, given that might is right is a lot more confortable when you're actually mighty...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Mar 20th, 2008 at 03:45:22 PM EST
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Sparks flew at the Transatlantic Forum in Brussels last Friday between Western and Russian participants over Kosovo. When French foreign minister Bernard Kouchner accused Russia of being responsible for the absence of a negotiated agreement between Belgrade and Priština, President of the Duma Foreign Policy Committee Konstantin Kosachov replied that it was not Russia's stand which prevented the finding of a solution, "but rather the promise of the West to Kosovo Albanians that they would get independence sooner or later" which meant that "Kosovo Albanians were not motivated to look for a solution." At this point yet another participant, former U.S. Balkans envoy Richard Holbrooke, reacted by bursting into loud laughter. According to a Russian news report, Holbrooke and Kouchner then got up and left the room in the middle of the Russian representative's presentation.

The same mix of haughty arrogance and plain rudeness was on display in Rome three weeks ago, where I attended a fairly high-profile conference on Kosovo organized by the geopolitical review Limes. Other panelists included the Undersecretary of State at the Italian foreign ministry, Famiano Crucianelli; the vice-chairman of the Italian Senate foreign relations committee, Sen. Alfredo Mantica; Limes' editor Lucio Caracciolo; Jim Jatras of the American Council for Kosovo; and Serbia's Ambassador to the Holy See Professor Jankovic.
[NOW YOU SEE HIM . . . (From left: Escobar, Crucianelli, Caracciolo, Trifkovic, Jankovic, Jatras)]

A political officer at the U.S. Embassy in Rome, Gabriel Escobar, had accepted the organizers' invitation to be one of the panelists - but then used his introductory remarks to berate them for not including any "Kosovars" in the panel. Having finished his tirade Mr. Escobar got up, turning his back on the Italian officials seated next to him, and left the podium, and the room, without a word of farewell.
[...NOW YOU DON'T: Senator Mantica has taken the seat next to Under-Secretary Crucianelli.]

In the event Mr. Escobar's gesture could not cast much of a shadow on what turned out to be an excellent conference. It merely cast him in a poor light, prompting an Italian participant to comment that his behavior was "like that of a Soviet diplomat in Sofia half a century ago." Another panelist noted that Escobar merely displyed the same lack of open-mindedness that has led American policy on Kosovo into its current dead end:

Allowed to deliver his remarks near the beginning of the session, he first scolded the organizers for not having the Kosovo Albanian view represented. He declined to explain how that view differs one iota from US policy. He did not respond to the observation that events on Kosovo typically represent only the US/Albanian perspective. Having made his dubious points--a rote recitation of Washington's position--he imperiously left the room, despite requests to listen to the other presenters and participate in the Q&A.

Judging by the histrionics of Messrs Hollbrooke and Excobar, American officialdom need only talk with those who agree with them, and not allow their virgin ears to be defiled by dissonant opinions.

by vladimir on Tue Mar 18th, 2008 at 04:51:23 PM EST
Just GROTESQUE performance from France. To think that Serbia's (YU's) 2nd official language after WW2 was French! For Kouchner - ROT? After all, what are allies worth? Tomorrow, when the French are less accommodating to US policy, Washington will throw French fries down the toilet and call the Freedom fries. And France will have one ally less in the Balkans. Who cares, right?
by vladimir on Tue Mar 18th, 2008 at 04:59:59 PM EST
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"Haughty arrogance and plain rudeness" are the hallmarks of American demeanor in the international arena, especially the Bush Neocon ilk. Not only does the American officialdom want to talk only with those that agree with it, those people that disagree, especially with the conduct of the "war on terrorism" are "anti-American" and  "siding with the terrorists." This inflammatory language is designed to keep those that disagree with the conduct of American foreign policy silent and out of the picture.

We can also speculate that this latest American confrontation with Russia in Europe is part of keeping the old threat of the Russian boogeyman alive. It is about keeping the American flag planted in Europe.

Now, if you want to see American arrogance and just how Europe's "American friends" really feel about the Lisbon Treaty and the impact of the "transatlantic alliance" and protecting Britain, then check out what the neocon Heritage Foundation has to say:

With its range of policy instruments, the EU already has significant economic and diplomatic leverage but, more often than not, chooses not to use it. Its strategic interests often contrast with U.S. interests, and with European military and civilian power invested in the CFSP, rather than in NATO, America's interests inevitably lose out. The biggest security threats facing Europe and the U.S. are asymmetric and constantly evolving. Thus far, NATO under American leadership has been work­ing with a handful of its closest allies at the forefront of this struggle, but the U.S. cannot be expected to continue providing this leadership if the transatlan­tic alliance is downgraded.

The Reform Treaty proposes to abolish the EU's "pillar structure," in which member states maintain a strong national role in foreign affairs. America needs to recognize the dangers that this would cre­ate. In the few areas where the EU does speak with one voice--e.g., the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and the World Trade Organization (WTO)--the United States has lost traction in dealing with its European allies on anything resembling a bilateral basis. Frequently, it has found itself pitted against an institution that has predetermined its position and is intent on morally opposing American policy.

The U.S. Administration should not even con­sider backing an independent European security and defense policy in exchange for France's possibly rejoining NATO's military command structure. As former U.K. Shadow Defence Secretary Bernard Jenkin recommends on behalf of the Conservative Way Forward, France's involvement with NATO should be considered only if France reaffirms NATO supremacy in European defense and security and if NATO can be confident that France will not engage in deliberately disruptive policies.

Read more: The EU Reform Treaty: A Threat to the Transatlantic Alliance- Sally McNamara -The Heritage Foundation

Read the recommendations that Mrs. McNamara has for America to counter the Lisbon Treaty, listed at the end of her paper. No doubt that the Americans have another unwritten policy: To control the EU, which could happen if Tony Blair or any other "American" were selected as the EU President...

by euamerican on Tue Mar 18th, 2008 at 09:12:39 PM EST
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The EU Reform Treaty: A Threat to the Transatlantic Alliance
Support calls for the United Kingdom and other European Union member states to hold referenda on the Lisbon Treaty as part of the ratification process. In line with the Labour Party's commitment and as part of a strategy to reinvigorate public trust in government, Prime Minister Gordon Brown should undertake a free and fair referendum in the United Kingdom.

So they see the constant drip of poison from the Murdoch press and the Daily mail as the easiest way of wrecking the whole treaty.

The line "Prime Minister Gordon Brown should undertake a free and fair referendum in the United Kingdom." is somewhat interesting, andI'm wondering what exactly they are meaning bu that.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Mar 18th, 2008 at 09:53:20 PM EST
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The U.S. Administration should not even con­sider backing an independent European security and defense policy in exchange for France's possibly rejoining NATO's military command structure.

US neo-con arrogance at its worst!

What makes these US neo-cons think that their backing or not backing will make any difference at all if Europe does decide to formulate an independent European security and defence policy?

by The3rdColumn on Tue Mar 18th, 2008 at 11:22:31 PM EST
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Their backing will make a difference because Europe doesn't decide anything: they dither.

It'd be nice if the battle were only against the right wingers, not half of the left on top of that — François in Paris
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 19th, 2008 at 03:22:19 AM EST
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Hey, if we can get you to do what we want, then everybody's happy, right?  :-)

I'm afraid that as long as Europe continues to avoid forming some sort of functional overall government, it will become more and more of a backwater.

"No resources, lousy weather, no speak-ee English, interesting old historical stuff worth a vist, but next time I'll go to Australia.

France = Pennsylvania; Ireland = Maine; Germany = Ohio; Spain = Arizona; Italy = South Carolina. You've got no California. And who really cares who the governor of Pennsylvania is, anyway?"

THAT's American understanding of Europe, I think...

by asdf on Wed Mar 19th, 2008 at 08:43:38 AM EST
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This is actually not a new view that the American government has held with regard to an independent-from-NATO European defense, or European independence from the American yoke. American foreign policy often takes a dim view to ANY "rival bloc" of nations. This includes those that are generally "friendly" to the United States.

Funny - how the "Americans" in European governments just don't get it (or don't read publications like this) that the US wants to keep Europe on a leash and that there will be no independent Europe "finding its place in the world" apart from permission from Daddy Washington...

by euamerican on Wed Mar 19th, 2008 at 08:02:56 AM EST
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If they get it, they don't mind. They're "Americans" after all.

It'd be nice if the battle were only against the right wingers, not half of the left on top of that — François in Paris
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 19th, 2008 at 08:03:44 AM EST
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Some time in the 1990's the Spanish press reported that there was some foreign policy paper or other produced by some US government agency or other (might have been the CIA) about how dangerous the EU was and how to undermine it. You can see my memory of this is quite hazy: does anyone remember anything of the sort?

It'd be nice if the battle were only against the right wingers, not half of the left on top of that — François in Paris
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 19th, 2008 at 03:24:43 AM EST
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The confrontation with Russia is mostly about competition for sending resources to Europe, I imagine.
by Upstate NY on Wed Mar 19th, 2008 at 01:51:45 PM EST
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Imho it is not in the EU's best interest to take strong stands. Rather, it might make sens to let the US throw its weight around, further decredibilibizing itself and margilizing itself diplomatically and go about our own business the right way.

It goes without saying that the US is meddling in the former Jugoslavia, this is of a pair with US interests generally: ensure our European project fails and the EU can be weakened to the full extent possible. This was what recognition of Kosovo was all about, as you allude to, not some grand priniciple of self-determinition which, it should be noted, is something the Americans have been working against, worldwide, since before the day their President Wilson came up with it. Ideology as weapon, example right there.

Here, I'm going to take it as a sign of the glass half full that there was such dissension among our ranks on that particular diplomatic event.

"C'est un scandale !"

by redstar on Wed Mar 19th, 2008 at 05:31:01 AM EST
What is awful is that the Kosovo Albanians could, in the coming years, be the ones that are really screwed!  Serbia will be an EU Member State before "the republic of Kosova" - especially if there is no viable economy, no human rights and the criminal culture remain a problem for the "new nation."

Given that some EU Member States reject "Kosovo independence" and the demands of acquis, it could be the 12th of Never before the "republic of Kosova" sees EU membership as in independent nation...

It will be said that Kosovo would have been better off as part of Serbia...

...unless, of course, Daddy Washington stomps his feet and demands EU membership for "the republic of Kosova..."

by euamerican on Wed Mar 19th, 2008 at 08:33:55 AM EST
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Uncle Sam will be in no position to dictate terms a decade from now, which is when this will all play out.

Kosovo will look a lot like North Cyprus as regards EU memebership, with Serbia playing the role of Nicosia, with Greek support as well not to mention Russian. Serbia's still got a lot of cards to play...

"C'est un scandale !"

by redstar on Wed Mar 19th, 2008 at 08:49:56 AM EST
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Yes - exactly - and one of the cards that Serbia has is to seek EU membership with renewed vigor.
by euamerican on Wed Mar 19th, 2008 at 09:33:41 AM EST
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"Uncle Sam will be in no position to dictate terms a decade from now, which is when this will all play out."

Would you like to arrange a small wager on this point? I would not bank on the collapse of American global geopolitical influence any time soon. Meanwhile, what sort of change is going to take place in Europe that will suddenly allow her to take charge of her own internal problems in this area that have been festering for centuries.

by asdf on Wed Mar 19th, 2008 at 09:40:17 AM EST
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likely to want to put up. I'm moving back, with my entire family.

"C'est un scandale !"
by redstar on Wed Mar 19th, 2008 at 10:46:04 AM EST
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A portion of the problem is the American yoke and the notion that Europeans needs to consider and take into account what America thinks, especially in defense and security, before developing a solution.

Also, what exactly is "taking action?"
Going to offensive war as America did in Iraq?

Should France, Germany and the rest of the European Union now consider bombing and invading Iran?

Is that the "appropriate" form of "taking action" that would please the Americans?

Why should Europe "please America" in the first place?!

We should be aware that Europeans often have different views on "taking action." Americans also need to accept the idea that the European view of "taking action" just might be a bit different from the American notions of "taking action."  Just as the American view of countering terrorism is a bit different from the European view of countering terrorism...

Europe should be allowed its form of "taking action" or "not taking action" according to European definitions and preferences, not according to American dictates and mandates.

by euamerican on Wed Mar 19th, 2008 at 02:58:07 PM EST
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Europeanization and a positive, constructive address of nationalism in Serbia, the vengeance hate of Kosovo Albanians and ethnic bigotry elsewhere in the Balkans...are better solutions  than jackboots, threats, isolation, exclusion and American-style punitiveness.

What are also at stake here are European values, especially European Union credibility, and the European project itself.

by euamerican on Wed Mar 19th, 2008 at 03:15:37 PM EST
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You're saying Serbia is going to enter the EU prior to Kosovo and then have a veto right over Kosovo's entry?

When pigs fly.

by Upstate NY on Wed Mar 19th, 2008 at 01:49:28 PM EST
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Are you saying Kosovo will cease to be a failed state before Serbia can qualify for EU membership?

It'd be nice if the battle were only against the right wingers, not half of the left on top of that — François in Paris
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 19th, 2008 at 01:56:12 PM EST
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Kosovo is not a failed state. It's exactly the state the US government wants on the doorstep to the EU: a highly destabilizing mafia-state.

"C'est un scandale !"
by redstar on Wed Mar 19th, 2008 at 02:05:49 PM EST
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One way or the other, it's not going to happen.

The Cypriots had the Greeks backing them.

The Serbs have no one going to the mat for them.

Serbia will eventually have to agree on the status of their dispute before admission.

by Upstate NY on Thu Mar 20th, 2008 at 09:58:53 AM EST
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Except for the absolute war criminal demand, Serbia would have had the SAA at least last year.

Serbia is vastly more prepared for EU membership than Kosovo is for any kind of normal, functioning statehood. Serbia has a democratic, European orientated government.

Also, but most importantly, the path into the European Union requires the agreement of all Member States ...

Kosovo will get an SAA when pigs fly, or the 12th of Never, whichever comes first.

by euamerican on Wed Mar 19th, 2008 at 02:36:38 PM EST
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Serbia is vastly more prepared for EU membership than Kosovo is for any kind of normal, functioning statehood. Serbia has a democratic, European orientated government.

If I was a Serb, I'd think long and hard before applying for EU membership.

By hooking up with Russia, Serbia could well find itself in a far more interesting position, strategically and economically. Russia badly needs friends, and would probably be a most accomodating partner.

What'd you think ?

by balbuz on Thu Mar 20th, 2008 at 05:48:22 AM EST
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Why does Russia badly need friends?

The plural of anecdote is bullshit.
by generic on Thu Mar 20th, 2008 at 08:37:04 AM EST
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Because it has to play on the swings by itself?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 20th, 2008 at 08:45:51 AM EST
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Yep, ha, ha ha..!
And I don't understand why Russia needs to inject itself in Serbia, which is a European country, and that EU has put a lot of efforts into already.

This is reminiscent of Turkey and Greece injecting themselves into the Cyprus communities before the 1974 invasion...

by euamerican on Thu Mar 20th, 2008 at 11:38:33 AM EST
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... except if you're a power-hungry oligarch.

How on earth would Serbia be better off economically by hooking up with Russia?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Mar 20th, 2008 at 03:42:52 PM EST
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For one, I think that the NIS - South Stream deal signed with Russia is much better in terms of value for Serbia than would have been possible with any of the majors backing the Nabucco pipeline.

Consider it like this: it's like having two job offers instead of one; allows you to negotiate. If Serbia deals with Russia, the EU can't ignore it. If Serbia deals with the EU, Russia CAN & will ignore it.

Besides, what incentive has Serbia to deal with the EU? It's been humiliated and maltreated for the past 20 years by this bloc.

by vladimir on Thu Mar 20th, 2008 at 04:22:54 PM EST
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