Whatthehell is going on here?

by geezer in Paris
Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 09:40:17 AM EST

Even the most cynical congress-haters seem amazed at the incredible ineptness of the no-longer-new Democratic congress.
Even with interesting and honorable men like Pat Lehey, John Conyers, Russ Feingold, Chris Dodd, their list of accomplishments and battles won is incredibly short, and the excuses are--  thin. The administration laughs, and their new AG brushes congress off like a fly.
I suspect that everyone reading this has a theory, and lots of them would circle like buzzards around the same road kill -blackmail- and the admin's positively hysterical insistence on Telcom immunity lends credence to that theory. As well, that strangely powerful pejorative image of "Tin Foil Hat" material is ---uncomfortable. And it all seems so obvious--why damage one's cred by taking the rhetorical plunge-beating the dead horse?

But what does this have to do with Europe? Let them spy on each other, --eat their own children, for God's sake, but leave Europe alone. Right?


First, a huge number of events that alter the body politic began somewhere with a secret plan, from political campaigns to nuclear weapons. Men seek to discover those plans. It's only the plan that fails or failed analysis that gets branded as dingbat food.
If you're right, you're a sage. If you're wrong- or right but can't prove it- you're a crackpot.

Here's a lazy quote diary to hopefully stimulate some discussion, and the importance for Europe is---no one epitomizes subservience to the Empire like Tony Blair. And now Sarko? How did this happen?

The administration has shrieked that fire will rain from the sky if the spooks are required to get a warrant- even if they still have three days to do it in- so those public-spirited folks at Comcast need a get-out-of-jail-free card.  Yet Allan Uthman at Buffal Beast comes to  the obvious conclusion: If the real issue is National Security,

Then sign the bill without the telecom amnesty provision, and work on that part later. If it's nearly as vital as Bush says, he's providing aid and comfort to the enemy by not compromising, right?

"If the Protect America Act is allowed to expire, Americans will be at risk," echoed Boehner, despite having just voted against a three-week extension on the bill, like all his fellow Republicans in the House.

What the hell is going on here? When you compare the truths of this dispute with the rhetoric from the White House and its mouthpieces, there's really no other conclusion than that this country has gone fucking bonkers. Reality and public perception don't even share a zip code anymore. After years of constant, obvious lies, their ridiculousness compounded by countless revelations of their falsehood, Bush is still sticking with the same despicable, transparently manipulative bogeyman bullshit he started with. And like-minded jackasses in the media, like Bill Kristol on Fox News Sunday, still have the inconceivable gall to say things like, "I think it's kind of unbelievable, frankly, that -- it's a judgment call, we don't know -- not to give the administration the benefit of the doubt."

The benefit of the doubt? A judgment call? Sorry Bill, but fuck you. Your judgment's been shit; your President's judgment's been shit, and both of you are documented liars. So forgive the hell out of the rest of us if there's no doubt to benefit from when it comes to whether the president is a fucking fraud. The entire administration is a fraud. Every department is a fraud, staffed by fraudulent people, hostile to its stated mission and intent on its nullification, by death or paralysis. There may never be proof, especially if Bush gets his way. But what thinking person can muster much doubt that the administration is listening not just for terrorist chatter, but to anyone they want -- political enemies, reporters, chicks they're into --whoever?

In 2006, after Andrea Mitchell asked New York Times reporter James Risen, who broke the domestic spying story, out of the blue, "You don't have any information, for instance, that a very prominent journalist, Christiane Amanpour, might have been eavesdropped upon?" Risen did not, but NBC scrubbed the question from its transcripts of the interview, later explaining that the story had been "released prematurely," that they had not "completed" their reporting. But they didn't call the allegation irresponsible, or speculative, or any other dismissive adjective they could have used. They essentially confirmed that they had reason to believe that Bush was secretly wiretapping a prominent CNN reporter.

And why the hell wouldn't he, after all? Without a reviewable record of warrants, it's not as if anyone can possibly find out -- unless somebody sues the telecoms, and specific, decidedly non-terrorist surveillance targets are identified in the ensuing discovery process. And that is why the Republicans are going apeshit over retroactive immunity, not just to protect the telecoms, but to cover their own asses. If it ever comes out that their secret, illegal domestic wiretaps were not targeting al Qaeda, but Al Gore, the jig is finally up. The entire "trust us, we're hunting terrorists" rationale, as thin as it always was, will lose any residual integrity, and the GOP may never recover. And they know it. And maybe, hopefully, the Democrats finally know it too.

Unfortunately, I think he has overlooked a couple things.

A source of covert information that is discovered soon dries up, and all hell breaks loose, particularly if it turns out it was illegal:

(I am updating my diary because my cat walked on the keyboard, I jerked my mouse hand and inadvertently posted it. Beats "the dog ate my homework", but only by a little).

I think the Admin. is spying on everyone -he's right there- but is very careful to never use the info in a way that would make it's source clear.

A hypothetical but obvious proposition: Assign a team to important members of congress, the press- one person to less important members, and a crew to the biggies. Suck up everything-fax, phone, e-mail, etc. and route the stuff through tame psychologists and communications specialists. Build a profile of each- fears and dreams, peccadilloes and skeletons, deeply held policy or personal beliefs, --and generate a strategy to influence these members. Not very different than the traditional methods lobbyists and the intelligence community use anyway, but with the addition of an immense treasure trove of deeply personal info, it could be devastatingly effective. You don't have to overtly blackmail them- blackmail is a very dangerous game, as Richard Nixon found out the last time this happened. All you have to do is--play them well.

Tony Blair? His actions were powerfully out of character, for the public persona that we knew before George.

Unless this persona was utterly false, someone played Tony very well.

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Eric Alterman over at Alernet thought the piece was worth picking up.
Epic battle to cover his ass

I agree, obviously. I also think there are a lot of ways such info can be used. If you use both options discussed here- selective blackmail and less draconian profiling, it explains a lot.
There is a third aspect- a likelihood, I think, that I find interesting.
Anyone remember "Blazing Saddles"?

Mel Brooks ' incredibly funny film about racism, and about a black sheriff in Texas.
In one scene, he puts his sixgun in his own ear, and says, "Nobody move, or the nigger gets it!"

I think that neither John Conyers nor Henry Waxman wants to be the guy who pushes the nutcase in the oval orifice so far that a truly catastrophic confrontation is triggered, because they don't think they can win it, and the blowback would include the utter destruction of what remains of the US constitutional checks.
 

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 11:16:42 AM EST
Okay, but don't you know Roger Clemens was using steroids?  If we don't focus on that, what will we tell the children?  And how will we hold on to the anti-video games Suburbanite vote?

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 11:20:31 AM EST
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Yup. Still, there are now two comments here- yours and mine.
Do you think Brittney was drugged?

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 11:31:07 AM EST
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Leave Britney alone!  You're lucky she even performed for you, you BASTARD!

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 12:16:56 PM EST
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Ha! You're just jealous because I've got the good drugs!

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 01:38:02 PM EST
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Indeed.  Fucking Europeans.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 03:49:49 PM EST
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Of course Christiane Amanpour is being bugged, she's a foreigner (Iranian-born British and a Commander of the British Empire). So her every phone call home is gonna attract suspicion cos she's obviously a target of interest.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 01:51:10 PM EST
An obvious case of infiltration.
My God, you can't trust these alien commanders. Lord knows how many evil schemes have been thwarted by our loyal spooks' careful surveillance.

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 02:03:57 PM EST
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OK, OK, I just finished reading it...

So 43´s gang has maintained their choke-on-power through personal surveillance to keep the power-money-oil just for them?  I wouldn´t put it past thems at all, except for how many people and for how long before someone spills the beans?

_Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena._

by metavision on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 01:58:54 PM EST
Exactly.
Seems a huge risk. But the stakes? Huge.
And it's not only the oil, I think, so much as the narrative that they base their lives on-- that says they are the "High Command"--rather like the mystique surrounding Hitler's coterie, his inner circle.  
As well, the hallmark of this administration has been the taking of huge risks.
Remember, the entire scheme, right down to the hardware, has been public knowledge for over a year, and they have still gotten away with it so far. Talk about an invitation to hubris.
It's like having a fabulous sports car sitting in the garage, ---and telling everyone you never drove it.

How could they resist?

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 02:15:53 PM EST
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Helen says it often- they do this shit in part to prove they can do this shit- that they are above it all.

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 02:20:08 PM EST
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keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Mar 3rd, 2008 at 10:38:51 AM EST
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How is this different from COINTELPRO?

Doesn't No Such Agency have 45 days to get a warrant from the FISA court?

As TFH as it may appear on first glimpse, I suspect that there's a convergence of motives at play; totally unregulated/unsupervised domestic surveillance by various agencies; immunity from expensive lawsuits for large political contributors, and G.W. Botch's willful pleasure at being able to say, "I'm King and you're not."

"Strength does not come from physical capacity. It comes from indomitable will." - Jawaharlal Nehru

by Bill Melater (at yahoo I'm known as gulfnhotsand) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 04:40:49 PM EST
tell them to do.  Can it not be more obvious?
War on terror?  No War On Liberty.
Save and protect the United States?  No they are giving it away!
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8224
by Lasthorseman (Lasthorseman@comcast.net) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 05:02:35 PM EST


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