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Would you like a conspiracy theory with that?

by Colman
Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 04:30:32 AM EST

The main group campaigning against the Lisbon Treaty in Ireland is Libertas (Frank has discussed them (and with them) before), a newly set-up group fronted by "entrepreneur" Declan Ganley. The group is astonishingly well funded - buying full page newpaper ads and billboards around the country and apparently promising to spend €1.5m - with only two donors above the €5000 limit where they have to be named: Ganley and his wife. The rest of the money has surprisingly come from lots of small donors. All questions about where their funding comes from are answered by the assertion that they are compliant with the relevant laws.

Who's Declan Ganley?

Declan Ganley (39), is a European entrepreneur and Chairman and CEO of Rivada Networks designing and deploying broadband public safety communications networks for government customers. Declan has founded wireless broadband and cable TV businesses in Western, Central and Eastern Europe, including Broadnet (sold to Comcast), building and operating broadband wireless networks in ten EU countries and Cabeltel, with an extensive cable multimedia network in Eastern Europe. From 1991 he built what became the largest private forestry company in the Former Soviet Union, which he sold in 1997.
Declan is Chairman of the Forum on Public Safety in Europe & North America, where senior leaders confer to provide policy and implementation recommendations to governments, legislators, public safety and defence entities in Europe and North America. He is an advisor on "technology and terrorism" to the Club De Madrid group of international heads of government and has served as a member of Futures Group of the Irish Government's Information Society Commission. During Ireland's Presidency of the EU in May 2004, Declan chaired the Forum to Debate the European Constitution which brought together academics from 16 European universities with legislators and policy-makers.
(His profile)

He's a right-wing atlanticist who provides significant services to the US government, military and intelligence community and is well connected there: his fellow board members include lots of retired military staff and some ex-Bush cabinet members.

That would be this military and intelligence community:

As EU governments focus on securing ratification of the proposed Lisbon Reform Treaty in 2008, United States policymakers are concerned its provisions could present serious challenges to transatlantic intelligence and homeland security co-operation. The main US reservation is that, by transferring additional law and justice functions from the individual EU member states to EU institutions, the treaty could disrupt existing bilateral relations between US and EU governments without establishing anything better.(Janes)

Fertile ground for a conspiracy theory, wouldn't you say?

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Would you like a conspiracy theory with that? | 41 comments (41 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Would you like a conspiracy theory with that? (4.00 / 4)

Their motto is "facts not politics". The billboard I see regularly has a picture of the leaders of Fine Gael and Fianna Fail with the slogan "Good for them, bad for us" ...

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 04:35:14 AM EST

Re: Would you like a conspiracy theory with that? (4.00 / 4)

Interesting stuff, Coleman. Pretty good job of digging, too.
On the US connection:
John Kneuer, senior VP for Rivada networks:

"What public safety needs most is not just 'infrastructure' or 'spectrum.' What it needs is capabilities such as priority access, survivability, and rapid recovery in a crisis, as well as specialized services to support their missions. All of these capabilities can be provided today by multiple vendors, leveraging existing infrastructure and spectrum. In fact, this is exactly what our company is providing reliably and affordably to major public safety and defense customers in more than a dozen US states, including Alabama, California, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Texas, and Washington state.

The discussion of programs- military, agency and other- to cope with the (at least) embarrassing disclosures of the internet community, and to harness the power of the net to manage and manipulate events are everywhere- Raw Story, Truthout, Free press Newswire, etc.

A bit aside, it's fascinating to me how compelled we all seem to be to make light of or defend ourselves from the accusation of purveying conspiracy theories.

As several here (and elsewhere) have said, it's silly to think that people or organizations would spend lifetimes and fortunes to amass economic and political power--and then do nothing with it.

Power's purpose is to have your way. It's generally a good idea to get organized if you want to "have your way". Publicly influencing events to your advantage (and excluding that of others) is--er, bad PR. "Discretion" (secrecy) is therefore pretty obligatory,--no?

From Janes' also-

US intelligence and security officials have been able to circumvent EU institutions in many cases so far by relying extensively on formal and informal arrangements with the individual member governments. In addition, Washington has felt confident that its European allies would use their powers to veto unwelcome EU-wide proposals in areas related to security and defence. If adopted, the Lisbon treaty could threaten many of these arrangements.

Sometimes you turn over a flat rock, and you find-- interesting squiggly stuff.

Wear gloves.

Grabbing what you can, as John Ruskin said, isn't any less wicked when you grab it with the power of your brains than with the power of your fists.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 06:49:07 AM EST
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Re: Would you like a conspiracy theory with that? (none / 1)

Well, I have no evidence that this guy is a CIA asset or something, so it would be entirely irresponsible to speculate. Still, he hangs with some pretty scary people, and it seems unlikely that he has Europe's best interests at heart.

I must write that diary on the structure of empire I keep promising.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 07:03:26 AM EST
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Re: Would you like a conspiracy theory with that? (4.00 / 3)

CIA asset? He doesn't need to be. He just knows who is buttering his bread. A Eurocentric security network not run by the Atlanticists and not run by complete morons would buy their digital goodies from somebody else.

by PIGL on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 07:24:43 AM EST
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Re: Would you like a conspiracy theory with that? (4.00 / 2)

it would be entirely irresponsible to speculate.

We are, of course, speculating.
Every criminal investigation or indictment is preceeded or begins with speculation about possible suspects. It then proceeds to possible motives, methods, -- jeez.

It would be irresponsible (not to mention deadly dull) NOT to speculate.

Grabbing what you can, as John Ruskin said, isn't any less wicked when you grab it with the power of your brains than with the power of your fists.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 09:14:47 AM EST
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<metadiscussion> (none / 1)

But the flip side of that coin is that keeping secrets secret is rather hard to do. So if you want to judge the plausibility of a conspiracy theory, you'll need to keep in mind the number of people that are supposed to be involved in the conspiracy, and the length of time during which they have allegedly been keeping the lid on things.

In this case, conspiracy is not entirely impossible - we're talking about a fairly small number of people which are supposed to be co-operating with the military-intelligence of a single country. On the other hand, a conspiracy is unnecessary - as others have pointed out, blind atlanticism and fat business contracts would suffice.

</metadiscussion>

- Jake

640 kiloton should be enough for anybody

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 10:43:03 AM EST
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Re: Would you like a conspiracy theory with that? (4.00 / 5)

There's a long and occasionally interesting book waiting to be written about US involvement in overt and covert political engineering throughout the world.

Western countries have hardly been immune. In fact the US has hardly been immune.

Some methods:

Media influence - 'pundits' and reporters either funded with Washington money and paid to produce talking points on cue, or pressured by management not to cover certain stories.

Indirect and false front campaigning, as per Mr Ganley.

Funded support for expedient movements and political action groups.

Think tanks - q.v. pundits.

Infiltration of activist groups for reporting and direct influence

Direct pressure on politicians through blackmail or threats

Agent provocateur operations to discredit activist groups

Assassination and other covert ops

False flag domestic terrorism

Coups and attempted coups

Vote fixing

You don't need to suggest a conspiracy - the conspiracy is obvious and all of these operations are a well-documented part of the historical record.

It's nice to pretend we're living in a happy shiny democracy, but really - not so much.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 07:08:58 AM EST

Re: Would you like a conspiracy theory with that? (4.00 / 2)

Infiltration of activist groups for reporting and direct influence

Hell, that goes on here for no apparent reason, as in the case of those cookie-baking peaceniks in Fahrenheit 9/11.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 10:19:53 AM EST
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Re: Would you like a conspiracy theory with that? (4.00 / 3)

Once you have a tool you have to use it.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 01:27:19 PM EST
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LTE??? (4.00 / 2)

Without getting into conspiracy theories there is enough in his military/intelligence/ and bush regime connections to embarrass all the leftwing/nationalist groups who are aligned with him on the anti treaty side.

I think we should emphasise that it is not in the interests of the neo-con project of "a new American Century" to countenance the development of a stronger EU which would be in a significantly better negotiation position vis a vis the US than all the member states individually. Ireland is never going to effecive oppose e.g. rendition flights on its own - but neither would it veto an EU directive on the issue. Thus a strong EU is not in the interests of the Neo-con tendencies in the US.

Ganly has strong commercial ties and interests within the US defense and security establishment and thus could not claim to be a disinterested observer or simply acting in his capacity as a "concerned Irish citizen" as he claims. In that sense Libertas is very defiately a "front" organisation for other interests, and it would help the pro-treaty campaign if we could highlight the contrdictions in the No camp.

I'm happy to draft LTE to Irish Times where I am a semi regular - do you want to try the Indo group - or should we publish jointly on behalf of Eurotrib as this would give letters a much better chance of being published.

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 09:14:00 AM EST

Re: LTE??? (none / 1)

Jointly would be my choice--good idea, Frank.

Still, I repeat-- why run from the obvious--that power conspires? Thus we allow to be eliminated the narrative structure that is closest to the truth, and the most interesting.

Because we'll seem like cooks? I don't think so.
In the 21st century, we need to rehabilitate honest descriptions of power relationships.

Grabbing what you can, as John Ruskin said, isn't any less wicked when you grab it with the power of your brains than with the power of your fists.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 09:21:59 AM EST
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Re: LTE??? (none / 1)

I just finished reading Obama's second book. Perhaps I need to ventilate the cranium- the scent of facile evasion lingers.

Grabbing what you can, as John Ruskin said, isn't any less wicked when you grab it with the power of your brains than with the power of your fists.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 09:24:30 AM EST
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Re: LTE??? (none / 0)

Yes, draft something up.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 12:19:36 PM EST
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I smell slush funds (none / 1)

I fail to believe that you can raise 1.5 M€ from "lots of small donors." I have a bottle of good Danish beer that says that either he and his wife provided the lion's share of the funding, or we'd find an interesting network of slush funds if we'd been able to dig into his funding in earnest.

- Jake

640 kiloton should be enough for anybody

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 10:56:13 AM EST

Re: I smell slush funds (4.00 / 3)

Libertas has been very cagey about its membership and funding - whilst berating the EU for a lack of transparency. It's position is that it is in compliance with disclosure information - which I suspect is pretty minimalist. If you can round up enough friends, supporters, cronies and acolytes to nominally put up €4,999 Euros in each of their names, pretty soon you are talking real money...

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 11:24:04 AM EST
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Precisely (n/t) (none / 1)

640 kiloton should be enough for anybody

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 11:30:27 AM EST
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Re: I smell slush funds (none / 1)

I'd like to be careful here, since Irish libel law is sort of fun, but the Sunday Business Post said that:

Much of the Libertas expenditure is expected to be met, either by direct provision or by way of loans, from Ganley's own resources.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 11:50:20 AM EST
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Re: I smell slush funds (none / 1)

Papers won't publish LTE's if they think they might be libelous. This isn't about Declan Ganly personally, its about Libertas and its sources of funding and close connections to US military/industrial complex - and Jane's Intelligence assessment that the Bush regime would prefer bilateral agreements with individual states rather than a stronger EU entity. If I get time tonight I might draft an LTE. Happy to do on individual basis if you prefer.

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 12:21:11 PM EST
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Re: I smell slush funds (none / 1)

No, jointly is fine. So long as it doesn't suggest that there's anything illegal going on!

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 12:24:43 PM EST
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Re: Would you like a conspiracy theory with that? (none / 1)

Madam - Declan Ganley is a multi-millionaire estimated to be worth €300M and Chairman of Libertas which is a self styled "think tank" opposing the Lisbon Treaty referendum. According to the Sunday Business Post (27/1/08) Libertas is expected to fund their anti-Treaty campaign to the tune of €1.5M mainly by way of loans and direct contributions from Ganley's own resources.

Declan Ganley is also Chairman and CEO of Rivada Networks, a US Defense contractors with former Generals, Admirals, and key members of the US defense establishment on his board.

According to Jane's Intelligence Digest (17/1/8, (New EU treaty worries US intel services) "United States policymakers are concerned its provisions could present serious challenges to transatlantic intelligence and homeland security co-operation.".... "US intelligence and security officials have been able to circumvent EU institutions in many cases so far by relying extensively on formal and informal arrangements with the individual member governments. In addition, Washington has felt confident that its European allies would use their powers to veto unwelcome EU-wide proposals in areas related to security and defence. If adopted, the Lisbon treaty could threaten many of these arrangements. "

In other words, US the US intelligence establishment is confident that Ireland, acting on its own, would never veto (eg) rendition flights through Shannon, whereas the EU, with a strengthened Common Foreign and Security Policy, just might.

Am I the only person connecting the dots here?

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 12:52:20 PM EST

Draft LTE - some typos fixed (none / 0)

Madam - Declan Ganley is a multi-millionaire estimated to be worth c. €300M and Chairman of Libertas which is a self styled "think tank" opposing the Lisbon Treaty referendum. According to the Sunday Business Post (27/1/08) Libertas is expected to fund their anti-Treaty campaign to the tune of €1.5M mainly by way of loans and direct contributions from Ganley's own resources.

Declan Ganley is also Chairman and CEO of Rivada Networks, a US Defense contractors with former Generals, Admirals, and key members of the US defense establishment on his board.

According to Jane's Intelligence Digest (17/1/08, "New EU treaty worries US intel services") "United States policymakers are concerned its provisions could present serious challenges to transatlantic intelligence and homeland security co-operation.".... "US intelligence and security officials have been able to circumvent EU institutions in many cases so far by relying extensively on formal and informal arrangements with the individual member governments. In addition, Washington has felt confident that its European allies would use their powers to veto unwelcome EU-wide proposals in areas related to security and defence. If adopted, the Lisbon treaty could threaten many of these arrangements. "

In other words, the US intelligence establishment is confident that Ireland, acting on its own, would never veto (eg) rendition flights through Shannon, whereas the EU, with a strengthened Common Foreign and Security Policy, just might.

Am I the only person connecting the dots here?

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 12:58:46 PM EST
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Re: Draft LTE - some typos fixed (none / 0)

Madam - Declan Ganley, a multi-millionaire estimated to be worth €300M, is Chairman of the self-style "think-tank" Libertas which, according to the Sunday Business Post (27/1/08), is expected to fund its €1.5M anti-Treaty campaign mainly by way of loans and direct contributions from Ganley's own resources.
Declan Ganley is also Chairman and CEO of Rivada Networks, a US Defense contractor with former Generals, Admirals, and key members of the US defense establishment on its board.

In other words, the US intelligence establishment is confident that Ireland, acting on its own, would never veto such things as rendition flights through Shannon, whereas the EU, with a strengthened Common Foreign and Security Policy, just might.

Am I the only person connecting the dots here?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 01:12:35 PM EST
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Re: Draft LTE - some typos fixed (none / 0)

I don't like the last paragraph. Suggestions?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 01:13:06 PM EST
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Re: Draft LTE - some typos fixed (none / 0)

Its an invitation to others to enter the debate - and to reframe Libertas' involvement in it. I'm not hung up on the wording

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 01:17:35 PM EST
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Re: Draft LTE - some typos fixed (none / 0)

Not the 300M. I have links for the rest in the diary.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 01:20:06 PM EST
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Re: Draft LTE - some typos fixed (none / 0)

Link for 300M
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2006/03/19/story12731.asp

how do you want to sign it?

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 01:32:50 PM EST
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Re: Draft LTE - some typos fixed (none / 0)

Anyone else got any comments?

Anyone remember what the standard is on signing LTE's?

Frank Schnittger and Colman XXXX (Assistant Editor)
European Tribune
http://www.eurotrib.com

seems about right. You have my surname in e-mail.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 01:37:39 PM EST
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Re: Draft LTE - some typos fixed (none / 0)

have e-mailed you

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 03:06:41 PM EST
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Re: Draft LTE - some typos fixed (none / 0)

The last line needs to at least become "Are we the only ones connecting the dots?".

Maybe "Whose interests are Declan Ganley and Libertas protecting?".

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 01:39:36 PM EST
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Re: Draft LTE - some typos fixed (none / 0)

Colman:

Maybe "Whose interests are Declan Ganley and Libertas protecting?".

This simply invites the riposte - that they are acting as Irish citizens in Ireland's best interest

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 02:53:33 PM EST
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Re: Draft LTE - some typos fixed (none / 0)

You mean the one about rendition? I don't like it either.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 02:19:47 PM EST
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Re: Draft LTE - some typos fixed (none / 0)

No, but this would be better:

"In other words, the US intelligence establishment is confident that Ireland, acting on its own, would never effectively oppose such things as rendition flights through Shannon, whereas the EU, with a strengthened Common Foreign and Security Policy, just might."

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 02:42:06 PM EST
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Re: Draft LTE - some typos fixed (none / 0)

with a strengthened Common Foreign and Security Policy...

...and a Charter of Fundamental Rights with legal force

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 02:43:48 PM EST
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Re: Draft LTE - some typos fixed (none / 0)

excellent!

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 02:46:46 PM EST
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Re: Draft LTE - some typos fixed (none / 0)

Reads fine. Have you double checked the facts? How do you think we should sign it?

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 01:16:14 PM EST
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Re: Draft LTE - some typos fixed (none / 0)

I'd scratch the last line. Sounds either smug or conspiratorical. And neither is good.

I'm not sure I have a snappy alternative, but I'll mull it over.

- Jake

640 kiloton should be enough for anybody

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 02:10:41 PM EST
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Re: Draft LTE - some typos fixed (none / 0)

Isn't there a better example of bilateral agreements? Maybe the passenger data, visa waiver and open skies?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 02:25:17 PM EST
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Re: Draft LTE - some typos fixed (none / 0)

the rendition flights is the clincher issue in terms of getting leftwing opponents of the Treaty queezy about all this - passenger data is defensible on security grounds, but torture???? Open skies could be a positive for Irish airlines

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 02:49:45 PM EST
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revised draft 2.0 (none / 1)

In other words, the US intelligence establishment is confident that Ireland, acting on its own, would never effectively oppose such things as rendition flights through Shannon, whereas the EU, with a strengthened Common Foreign and Security Policy and a legally binding Charter of Fundamental Rights, just might.

Could there be a connection here?

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 02:58:06 PM EST

Re: revised draft 2.0 (none / 0)

the self-style "think-tank"

the self-styled "think-tank"

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 03:11:27 PM EST
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Re: revised draft 2.0 (4.00 / 2)

Thanks. Letter amended and sent

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 04:00:54 PM EST
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