Philosophy - "It's good for getting girlfriends."

by Ted Welch
Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 07:33:26 PM EST

Another of those intruiging little coincidences; the other night I read this anecdote about Sarte's excitement on hearing about how you could apply phenomenology even to things like apricot cocktails. (It was in "Twentieth-Century French Philosophy", Alan D. Schrift, but this is from a different source to save me typing it):

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Sartre and De Beauvoir at university in 1929

Simone de Beauvoir ... recounts Sartre's first encounter with phenomenology. Out with Raymond Aron, a student of Husserl, in Paris in 1932, apricot cocktails were ordered. According to de Beauvoir, Aron said to Sartre, `You see, my little comrade, if you are a phenomenologist, you can talk about this cocktail, and that is philosophy.'
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Sartre grew pale with excitement, or nearly so. This was precisely what he had wished for years: to talk of the things as he touched them and that was philosophy. Aron convinced him that this was exactly what fitted his preoccupations: to transcend the opposition of idealism and realism, to affirm at the same time the sovereignty of consciousness and the presence of the world as given to us.

cambridge.org [pdf!]

The next day I read this in the NYT, in a report on the recent, growing popularity of philosophy in US universities:

"Max Bialek, 22, was majoring in math until his senior year, when he discovered philosophy. He decided to stay an extra year to complete the major (his parents needed reassurance, he said, but were supportive).

I thought: Why weren't all my other classes like that one?" he said, explaining that philosophy had taught him a way of studying that could be applied to any subject and enriched his life in unexpected ways. "You can talk about almost anything as long as you do it well."

New York Times

Philosophy! Uh, yeah, what is it good for? - Promoted by Migeru

HTML, what is it good for? Lazy linking corrected; all diarists, please don't be lazy! DoDo


Sartre could talk about his failure to give up wine in very abstract terms, including the nature of freedom and nothingness (as in his "Being and Nothingness"):

Yet having then resolved to abstain from bread and wine, he found himself tempted by a carafe of wine one day at lunch:

    But, precisely, if Nothingness is introduced into the world through man, anguish at Nothingness is simply  anguish at freedom, or if you prefer, freedom's anguish at itself. If, for example, I experienced a slight anguish yesterday before the wine which I could but should not drink, it's because the "I shouldn't" was already in the past ... and nothing could prevent me from drinking. It was before that particular nothing I was so anguished; that nothingness of my past's means of acting on my present... . [N]othing allows me to foresee what I shall do and, even if I were able to foresee it, nothing could prevent me from doing it. So anguish is indeed the experience of Nothingness, hence it isn't a psychological phenomenon. It's an existential structure of human reality, it's simply freedom becoming conscious of itself as being its own nothingness.

Sartre's notebooks are full of such meditations. Taken together, they reveal a mind that does not so much practice philosophy as exude it; anything and everything, the whole range of his experience, was immediately taken up and digested by reflection. The smallest detail of his or his colleagues' behavior, the most trivial news report: for Sartre they were "understood" only when translated out of their native element and subjected to systematic philosophical probing.

New Criterion

Sartre's philosophical pyrotechnics, even about his failure to resist some wine, was part of his seductive charm - his celebrity helped too of course:

... it becomes clear that there is an indissoluble linkage between intellect and sexuality. Sartre outdoes Casanova or Don Juan in the number and variety of seductions he notches onto his belt suggesting that the intellectual energy that produced Being and Nothingness, The Critique of Dialectical Reason, Saint Genet, the plays and the novels, are in some inexplicable way the outgrowth of the erotic power that he wielded throughout his life - even into his final days when he was blind, unable to walk without aid and dying of pulmonary edema. Throughout his life, he felt the compulsion to seduce, and then colonize women. It was more for the sake of ego than sensual pleasure, as he himself admitted. John Huston described him as "a little barrel of a man and as ugly as a human being can be. His face was bloated and pitted, his teeth were yellowed and he was wall-eyed." None of which seemed to diminish his allure.

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swans.com

Back in the US:

Jenna Schaal-O'Connor, a 20-year-old sophomore who is majoring in cognitive science and linguistics, said philosophy had other perks. She said she found many male philosophy majors interesting and sensitive.

"That whole deep existential torment," she said. "It's good for getting girlfriends."

It's interesting that even so fertile a thinker as Sartre needed the example of German phenomenology to feel that this legitimated the philosophical treatment of everyday objects. He too was a victim of fashion, and he neglected his native tradition, e.g. Diderot's discussion of his dressing gown to draw general conclusions about what we'd now call consumerism:


One by one, the familiar but well-worn furnishings of the study were replaced.  In the end, Diderot found himself seated uncomfortably in the stylish formality of his new surroundings, regretting the work of this "imperious scarlet robe [that] forced everything else to conform with its own elegant tone."

 Today consumer researchers call such striving for conformity the "Diderot effect." And, while Diderot effects can be constraining (some people foresee the problem and refuse the initial upgrading), in a world of growing income the pressures to enter and follow the cycle are overwhelming."

Paul Wehr

[From my earlier diary]

The NYT article gives other reasons for the recent surge in popularity of philosophy in the US; e.g. it provides useful skills for more economically rewarding studies:

Barry Loewer, the department chairman, said that Rutgers started building its philosophy program in the late 1980s, when the field was branching into new research areas like cognitive science and becoming more interdisciplinary. He said that many students have double-majored in philosophy and, say, psychology or economics, in recent years, and go on to become doctors, lawyers, writers, investment bankers and even commodities traders.

As the approach has changed, philosophy has attracted students with little interest in contemplating the classical texts, or what is known as armchair philosophy. Some, like Ms. Onejeme, the pre-med-student-turned-philosopher, who is double majoring in political science, see it as a pre-law track because it emphasizes the verbal and logic skills  prized by law schools -- something the Rutgers department encourages by pointing out that their majors score high on the LSAT.

New York Times

I feel that they are perhaps missing the point of philosophy. However, in these times of "precarité", if can't be sure of a career, some decide that one might as well study what one likes:

Frances Egan, a Rutgers philosophy professor who advises undergraduates, said that as it has become harder for students to predict what specialties might be in demand in an uncertain economy, some may be more apt to choose their major based simply on what they find interesting. "Philosophy is a lot of fun," said Professor Egan, who graduated with a philosophy degree in the tough economic times of the 1970s. "A lot of students are in it because they find it intellectually rewarding."

ibid.

Despite any personal failings, Sartre used his critical skills in a fierce attack capitalism and its violence:


Aronson: This leads us to the unresolved dimension of the Sartre-Camus conflict, the aspect of it that is still very much with us today and needs addressing. The other half of the story is Sartre's equally compelling insight into systemic violence. Sartre understood deeply the violences built into capitalism and colonialism, which he found no less appalling than Camus found revolutionary violence. He illuminated, as no one else has, the everyday structured violence of oppressive social relations, the violence that comes to be depersonalized and experienced as "the way things are."

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[From a post in an earlier blog of mine]

The criticism of the too often accepted "ways things are" is a central concern of Eurotrib, cf. the discussion of Frank Schnittger's "big ideas" diary.

Also guys, if you do it with a bit of "existential angst", it has other possible benefits.

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...who said "I learned to play guitar to get girls, and anyone who says they didn't is just lying.

I used to play at open stages a lot, in much the same way (it must now appear) as I have a minor in Philosophy. As part of my stage patter, I would sometimes relate this perceptive quote of Mr. Nelson's about the transparent motives of teenage boys, and then I would add...

"I'd like to meet the old stoat one day, and ask him how well that worked out for him."

It was usually good for a laugh. Hope it works tonight.

We now return to the actual topic under discussion.

by PIGL on Fri Apr 11th, 2008 at 07:31:13 PM EST
"We now return to the actual topic under discussion."

Yet another reason more students are apparently turning to philosophy is because the American dream is becoming something of a nightmare. After 9/11 some of the more intelligent Americans began asking serious questions about their own culture and its values and relationships with the rest of the world. The Iraq war has become a murderous quagmire and the economy has taken a nose-dive.     Bush's policies have taken a terrible toll on the lives of many Americans:


The end result is that the uninsured receive a lot less care than the insured. And sometimes this lack of care kills them. According to a recent estimate by the Urban Institute, the lack of health insurance leads to 27,000 preventable deaths in America each year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/11/opinion/11krugman.html

It is not surprising that such a context might encourage some young people to want to discuss some profound questions.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Apr 12th, 2008 at 12:33:27 PM EST
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It is not surprising that such a context might encourage some young people to want to discuss some profound questions.

indeed...misery is a prime precursor to philosophy.

happy people in this day and age have to be natural philosophers.

perhaps when your expectations match or exceed your reality, philosophy is just another iteration of that fact, too obvious to even mention or name.

i don't know quite how to put this, but some stranger's eyes have occasionally taught me more about philosophy than any tortured ramblings from sartre, though the ones you cite here are indicative of some responsibility...

n_euro_sis...what a european thing it is, after all, or were we just the first to name it/them?

do neurotics make good philosophers? sometimes...nietsche was as nutty as a squirrel, and did his job of reflecting the zeitgeist.

in reflecting the current state of mental evolution sartre does a fair readout on the nihilism pervading europe during its darkest historical phase, the void is palpable, a quicksand sucking meaning out of life, a black hole of soul-lessness that only some can endure, with practice.

buddhism tries to toughen up our minds to face it daily, surrendering conquers fear, but the ego pulls towards identification, clinging to the mask, like drowning clutching broken masts in the wreckage of a sinking ship.

looking back on his era, i give him credit for mirroring the void, he didn't learn to play with it, and overseriousness did him in, another quality we yurpeans excel in, compared to polynesians fr'example.

strong women like sensitive men, good for practicing those all-important mothering skills!

if men had had good mothers and fathers they wouldn't need so much mothering.....or even philosophy, lol!

a sick society can/must devise its own cure, or perish with the rest of history....philosophy and psychiatry are the best institutional efforts we can come up with, and both largely miss the point of why, as they struggle to understand how (to 'fix' or 'normalise') and where (as in neuromapping).

computers will probably deduce whatever meaning of life we need to embrace faster than the general public, who have been ignoring the anton wilsons through the ages, because they're not miserable enough yet, ore they are but just don't know it yet, distracted with retail therapy while it still lasts...

and when that megaprocessor spits it out, i bet it says something like:

you don't need religion or philosophy, you need awareness, good will and kindness....find something to offer that you love to share and curb your pretensions to majesty.

look where your centuries of cult of personality, competition and bigotry have led you!

put them behind you, along with all the other silly arguments you've fostered in the smelly old caves of your psyches, drop them all like old snakeskins and step out into the sun!

or our (ex-mostly-friendly) pissed-off local ecosystem is going to kiss our (too-late-to-be-) sorry asses goodbye.

every day is earth day

Lobbyists are people too...

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Apr 26th, 2008 at 03:45:45 AM EST
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i don't know quite how to put this, but some stranger's eyes have occasionally taught me more about philosophy than any tortured ramblings from sartre

Perhaps you don't know how to put it because you didn't actually learn any philosophy from "stranger's eyes". If you did, please try harder to share these insights with us.

These "ramblings" are condescending (as are some others here) with no attempt to justify it, and they reveal that, as far as some philosophers are concerned, you don't know what you're talking about.

Nietzsche, for example, can't just be dismissed as "nutty as a squirrel". He did become ill during the last years of his life and this affected his thinking, when and to what extent is still debated. Prior to this he was a brilliant philosopher, academically precocious, he became a professor of philology at 25. His philosophy is still being studied and argued about today.


Friedrich Nietzsche's (1844-1900) influence on the present age is all pervasive. In 1955,  Martin Heidegger wrote, it is "Nietzsche, in whose light and shadow all of us today, with our `for him' or `against him' are thinking and writing..." 2   This is even more evident today.  Stanley Rosen has called him the most influential philosopher in the western world; and for Charles Taylor, all contemporary philosophy is neo-Nietzschean.

http://www.nypl.org/research/chss/grd/resguides/nietzsche/

Maybe a little more respect would be appropriate - though he'd be the last to advocate uncritical acceptance - but he would expect informed disagreement.

Far from doing "his job of reflecting the zeitgeist" he was a radical critic of the general zeitgeist.


"you don't need religion or philosophy, you need awareness, good will and kindness....find something to offer that you love to share and curb your pretensions to majesty."

Who is this supposed to be addressed to? Many philosophers found in philosophy something they "loved to share", as did Nietzsche - while urging others not to adopt his ideas, but to follow his general example and to think radically and be critical of existing beliefs and attitudes. We are - if we actually take the trouble to read them - the lucky heirs to such philosophers.

 

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Apr 26th, 2008 at 12:18:44 PM EST
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The pursuit of sex makes the world turn.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri Apr 11th, 2008 at 07:52:44 PM EST
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In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Apr 12th, 2008 at 12:37:37 PM EST


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Apr 12th, 2008 at 12:39:20 PM EST
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OK, boys, now let's show a little more existential angst shall we? :-) Or even discuss some socio-philosophical issues!

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Apr 12th, 2008 at 12:49:54 PM EST
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Or about the semiotics of photoshopping feminist self-expression
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sat Apr 26th, 2008 at 07:15:48 AM EST
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Now you tell me??

Seriously, who have been the great thinkers of the past 40 years, after 1970? In popular reading, and in all honesty that's all which I've really done regarding modern philosophy, most of it seems to stop after Nietzsche, Sartre and Wittgenstein, if you're lucky. Chomsky, perhaps, but he's from 1928 and just doesn't stop.

Existential angst and reflection are fine, but best in meted dosages in this age, I'd say. Reading Sartre I find exhausting exactly because it keeps on questioning everything, every move one makes. In this age of consumerism and its horrendous bombardment of superfluous bric-a-brac, Sartre may well have lost his mind in the tsunami of indifference assailing his senses... The question I get: would people choose a more minimalist life when accepting Sartre's world view? Then again, I've been drawn towards Sartre, because a choice for humanism suits me well. So I may be plying my own fallacy.

Your comments how Sartre "fell" for fashion is interesting - how flagrant was his lifestyle compared to his musings? I know too little of these things...

The core of evil is a lack of empathy

by Nomad on Sat Apr 12th, 2008 at 05:29:25 PM EST
"how flagrant was his lifestyle compared to his musings? I know too little of these things..."

Michael Dirda also argues against being too condemnatory:

"So the verdict is clear: Jean-Paul Sartre and Simone de Beauvoir were . . . human. They behaved badly sometimes, made mistakes and inadvertently harmed those they claimed to love. And yet I find it hard to judge them as harshly as I suspect some other readers will. A Frenchman who liked pretty girls, an intellectual woman who was lonely for physical love -- Just appalling! Utter depravity! Those existentialists always were in league with the devil.
Sometimes even philosophers and moralists fail to live up to their own highest ideals. But does that negate the importance of their public example or the value of their writing?
...
Fundamentally, Sartre pursued as pure an intellectual life as one could ask -- he worked like a demon, gave away his money faster than he earned it, helped and supported those he loved, and tirelessly contributed to, or contested with, the literature, politics and philosophy of his time. For 50 years, he and Beauvoir campaigned on every front to free the human spirit from its mind-forged manacles.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/13/AR2005101301640.html



Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Apr 12th, 2008 at 06:36:52 PM EST
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I thought Sartre supported Maoism at one point, thus refuting the claim that Sartre "campaigned on every front to free the human spirit from its mind-forged manacles."  However, the story turns out to be more interesting:

Underground newspapers are notoriously under-read, under-circulated and over-persecuted. But the case of La Cause du Peuple, the organ of France's outlawed Maoist proletarian movement, is extreme. It is not printed to be read, but to be seized by the authorities.

Since it began two years ago, the bimonthly paper has had three editors. The first two are in jail for inciting public disorder. Their conviction last May touched off clashes reminiscent of the 1968 student uprisings in Paris. The third editor is Jean-Paul Sartre, 65.

The father of existentialism and refuser of the Nobel Prize explains that he did not accept the editorship so much "to defend La Cause du Peuple as to defend the liberty of the press." He does not align himself with the rabid left-wing advice blazed in La Cause's headlines to "Enlist everybody in the Guerrillas."

<...> Then the police arrest everyone giving away, selling or reading the paper. Everyone, that is, except prominent people and, of course, Sartre and De Beauvoir, who stay on to deliver diatribes about the rape of press freedom.

The government's decision not to arrest him galls Sartre. "I am not convicted, nor am I interrogated," he says. "But the printer of the paper is apprehended." It was De Gaulle who once expressed the absurdity of arresting Sartre for his writings and actions. "One doesn't arrest Voltaire."

"Print, and Be Seized" - Time (Monday, Nov. 16, 1970)



... all progress depends on the unreasonable mensch.
(apologies to G.B. Shaw)
by marco on Sat Apr 12th, 2008 at 07:28:41 PM EST
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if Diderot's resistance against conformism excludes fashion trends, which is part of the consumer cycle, how free is one from mind-forged manacles? Did Sartre have thoughts on this?

Especially in its current form, mindless consumerism appeals to me as a mind-forged manacle. Where lies the balance between unconscious submission to it and human erring, that is, aware of its existence but giving into it for own pleasure?

The core of evil is a lack of empathy

by Nomad on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 05:59:21 AM EST
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I always thought Sartre was a pretentious nobody who was famous for being famous, for having a sexy girlfriend and for catching the mood of the 50s in a very timely but ephemeral way. True, he gets points for being a celebrity and a philosopher - a combination that's possibly less likely now. But if you're looking for depth and insight - not so much.

European Tribune - Philosophy - "It's good for getting girlfriends."

    But, precisely, if Nothingness is introduced into the world through man, anguish at Nothingness is simply  anguish at freedom, or if you prefer, freedom's anguish at itself. If, for example, I experienced a slight anguish yesterday before the wine which I could but should not drink, it's because the "I shouldn't" was already in the past ... and nothing could prevent me from drinking. It was before that particular nothing I was so anguished; that nothingness of my past's means of acting on my present... . [N]othing allows me to foresee what I shall do and, even if I were able to foresee it, nothing could prevent me from doing it. So anguish is indeed the experience of Nothingness, hence it isn't a psychological phenomenon. It's an existential structure of human reality, it's simply freedom becoming conscious of itself as being its own nothingness.

Whatever. Drink or don't drink. Don't write books about it. (And why not stop talking adolescent rubbish and learn some real psychology?)

Meanwhile:

Bourdieu is insightful - not nearly as flamboyant, and not nearly as self-absorbed as the Foucault/Derrida axis, but always interesting.

Mary Midgley is under-rated and not nearly as well-known as she should be.

Robery Anton Wilson - oh so Californian and oh so likely to make academic heads explode. (Is there a downside to someone who does that?)

Chomsky, of course.

J K Galbraith - loathed by the free-marketeers, which is more than enough reason to read him.

So it's not quite a wasteland. But you have to look outside mainstream academia, which does rather seem to have hitched itself to a pink balloon of hot air and drifted far, far away.

An optimistic publisher sent me something by A C Grayling recently, and it was awful - one long scab of banality. Similarly with Polkinghorne, who gets trotted out by the religionists as an authority, but really isn't.

Supposedly these people are famous. Go figure.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Apr 12th, 2008 at 09:49:00 PM EST
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John Polkinghorne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
He does not have a totally untroubled faith. Sometimes Christianity seems to him to be just too good to be true, but when this sort of doubt arises he says to himself, 'All right then, deny it' and he knows this is something he could never do.

(My emphasis)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGHHHHHHH!!! what madness is this!

Midgley is horribly underrated, and Wilson was a laugh when I met him.

As we journey through life, we should keep an iron grip, to the very end, on the capacity for silliness. It preserves the soul from dessication.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Apr 12th, 2008 at 10:34:08 PM EST
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Robert Anton Wilson has to be one of this age's great minds, and more likely will be considered one of the next age's greats.  He will never be taken seriously this time around because of the lifelong closeness he shared with Timothy Leary.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 11:03:49 AM EST
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The Frogweb: Robert Anton Wilson
Leary and I appeared at the Libertarian Party Convention in Chicago. Coming back on the plane we met Guns and Roses, who love him - everyone knows Leary. And Tim got drunker and drunker on his bottle of Scotch, and finally he says "Fuck it! I'm gonna have a cigarette!" You're not allowed to smoke on US airlines any more, so the whole of Guns and Roses gathered round to conceal him. At this point, one of the stewards sees Leary's smoking and comes over, and he says to Tim "I just want to tell you I think you're right about everything!" When we got off the plane. Leary spotted a wheelchair and got a Joyce scholar to push it for him through the airport. I was a bit drunk too by then, so as we raced through the crowd, I pointed to Leary and shouted "Chromsome damage, chromosome damage!" Wonderful night, wonderful . . .


As we journey through life, we should keep an iron grip, to the very end, on the capacity for silliness. It preserves the soul from dessication.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 02:31:51 PM EST
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ThatBritGuy:
I always thought Sartre was a pretentious nobody who was famous for being famous, for having a sexy girlfriend and for catching the mood of the 50s in a very timely but ephemeral way. True, he gets points for being a celebrity and a philosopher - a combination that's possibly less likely now. But if you're looking for depth and insight - not so much.

Sartre was a decent novellist in addition to being a lifestyle philosopher.

I took some philosophy classes but all I got was this lousy T-Shirt.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sat Apr 26th, 2008 at 07:20:14 AM EST
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Sartre was a decent novellist in addition to being a lifestyle philosopher.

Patronising punk :-) As in the case of Dawkins, have you actually read any of Sartre's "lifestyle philosophy"? If so, any specific comments ?

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Apr 26th, 2008 at 12:24:58 PM EST
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Hey, I was actually defending Sartre here. As for his philosophy, I don't actually remember if I read something directly or just read about his ideas from third parties. I did read some of his novels!

Anyway, if the history of philosophy class I took is to have any purpose at all, it must be to give some direction to the stuff I do and don't read! Can't read everyone's 900 page tomes!

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sat Apr 26th, 2008 at 02:25:40 PM EST
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OK, but calling him a "lifestyle philosopher" sounded like a putdown :-) You don't have to read 900 page tomes - he wrote lots of shorter, very readable works e.g. Existentialism is a Humanism, free at:

http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/sartre/works/exist/sartre.htm

It's conclusion is a nice rebuke to Sarkozy and his (roughly) "France needs believers because it needs people who hope":


You can see from these few reflections that nothing could be more unjust than the objections people raise against us. Existentialism is nothing else but an attempt to draw the full conclusions from a consistently atheistic position. Its intention is not in the least that of plunging men into despair. And if by despair one means as the Christians do - any attitude of unbelief, the despair of the existentialists is something different. Existentialism is not atheist in the sense that it would exhaust itself in demonstrations of the non-existence of God. It declares, rather, that even if God existed that would make no difference from its point of view. Not that we believe God does exist, but we think that the real problem is not that of His existence; what man needs is to find himself again and to understand that nothing can save him from himself, not even a valid proof of the existence of God. In this sense existentialism is optimistic. It is a doctrine of action, and it is only by self-deception, by confining their own despair with ours that Christians can describe us as without hope.

 

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Apr 26th, 2008 at 04:48:04 PM EST
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I don't know if Chomsky's linguistics are what he has brought to the public. His main service as a populariser is in politics.

Sloterdijk has been quite successful in popularising philosophy in Germany and the Netherlands. Don't know if his work is any good. I have this thick volume of Sferen (Sphären I und II auf niederländisch) in my bookcase but have yet to start reading it.

Anyway, you don't have to restrict yourself to philosophy for great thinkers.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sat Apr 26th, 2008 at 07:33:03 AM EST
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Do I contradict myself?  Very well then I contradict myself.

I only ever got one girl with philosophy, and she's still with me.  Truth be told, I think she saw through my act a long time ago, but she still puts up with me.  For the life of me I don't know why.

The blurker formerly known as ignorant bystander.

by b--- (budr at hughes net) on Sat Apr 26th, 2008 at 12:00:50 AM EST
Satre was famous, and for bedding lots of girls, it is fame or wealth (or preferably both) that matters. Not philosophy.

I had the whole existential torment thing and spent a year in the Philosophy Dept ... never did anything for me in the area under discussion.

by wing26 on Sat Apr 12th, 2008 at 06:23:54 AM EST
"Satre was famous, and for bedding lots of girls, it is fame or wealth (or preferably both) that matters. Not philosophy."

It depends on the female; they do vary. While many are attracted by fame and/or wealth, some are attracted by intellectual qualities, like Simone de Beauvoir and the one quoted in the NYT article.  See the recent discussion here about a woman who broke off her relationship because the guy hadn't heard of Pushkin.

"I had the whole existential torment thing and spent a year in the Philosophy Dept ... never did anything for me in the area under discussion."

All that torment for nothing - bad luck :-) As usual with people, we're talking about tendencies; having some existential angst seems to attract some women, as does being sensitive. But while these may be necessary conditions for some women, they may not be sufficient.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Apr 12th, 2008 at 08:43:37 AM EST
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Well it always worked for me ;-)

As we journey through life, we should keep an iron grip, to the very end, on the capacity for silliness. It preserves the soul from dessication.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Apr 12th, 2008 at 09:36:23 AM EST
Wow, I missed this diary when I was in America. You know, I love diaries about sex. Thanks Ted.

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 09:27:25 PM EST
....and I thought I was predictable....

Still, Simone de B did have an attractive rear view.

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sat Apr 26th, 2008 at 08:05:47 AM EST
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