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by In Wales
Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 12:09:33 PM EST

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A bit tired, but not too shabby.  And you?

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 12:48:29 PM EST
Tired.  Although today was good for strategic thinking and finding some coherent words to put on paper for other people to also be able to understand what I am going on about.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 12:56:39 PM EST
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Tired, sore throat, Cleo just had spinal surgery after losing power in her back legs at the weekend. Not one of my better days.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 12:56:07 PM EST
Is that a common problem for that type of dog?  I hope the surgery has helped her.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 12:57:36 PM EST
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More common than other breeds, certainly.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 12:58:08 PM EST
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how is she?

and how's the baby?

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 01:05:23 PM EST
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All went "according to plan with no surprises", so she's as fine as she can be after she has a disc taken out - she'll be heavily sedated and full of painkillers for the next 24 hours or so. We might be able to collect her Friday or Saturday, we'll see.

Christopher is fine, though the adults are a bit run down.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 01:09:43 PM EST
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What breed is she, just out of curiosity?

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 01:27:34 PM EST
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Mini-longhaired-dachshund.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 01:36:01 PM EST
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by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:06:42 PM EST
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that link doesn't seem to work.

go to www.cuteoverload.com

and scroll down

cutest little dachshund puppy you will ever see.  

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:59:26 PM EST
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Those are a really pretty breed.  Good dogs, too, as I understand it.  Hope she gets better.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:31:49 PM EST
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Poor thing, hope she's out soon


Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 01:39:53 PM EST
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Sorry about Cleo, hope she recovers soon. And you too! :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:07:36 PM EST
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Waved goodbye to half the class as they went off on their residential trip, offered to do a long, boring computer admin job for the ICT teacher while the school is closed tomorrow (the National Union of Teachers is on strike), then promised to sort out a mind-numbingly huge quantity of photocopying for one of the teachers (before he skipped the county with the children) and have now been told I've got to spend half the day on a child protection course for which I've already borrowed and read the slides.  And all the people who should have been sharing the photocopying are part time and so will be spending their hours tomorrow on the course.

Any chance of a clone by tomorrow morning?  :)

by Sassafras on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:08:38 PM EST
I'm supposed to be playing a 40 minute set tomorrow, for money, in front of an audience, and - as usual - I have absolutely no music written.

I'm probably going to have to mime. (Just don't tell anyone, okay?)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:35:17 PM EST
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Damn.  You should have said earlier.  We could have organised a bus.  We could all have come, and we could have stayed over at your place and made a weekend of it and...

Oh...that's why you didn't mention it before...  ;)

by Sassafras on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:15:30 PM EST
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Teachers strike?

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:50:53 PM EST
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But what are they thinking of - a strike on a Thursday? Why not make it Friday and it would be a nice long weekend for all concerned.

You know..even though I said goodbye to our stressed-out deputy head by reminding her that working unpaid all day tomorrow was missing the point...I might be a bit snarky if they got a long weekend and I didn't.

My own union is so well-organised that it called our strike during the school holidays.  I didn't go in.  But, oddly, nobody noticed.

by Sassafras on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:11:06 PM EST
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Dalai Lama Receives Parisian Citizenship, Requests US Help | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 22.04.2008
Paris granted the Dalai Lama honorary citizenship as a fresh wave of anti-Western protests broke out in China. Meanwhile, the Tibetan spiritual leader called on the United States for help with Tibet.

The Paris city council voted on Monday, April 21, to bestow honorary citizenship on the Dalai Lama without the blessing of President Nicolas Sarkozy's federal government. Hu Jia, a prominent human rights activist who was jailed in China earlier this month on charges of attempted subversion, was also awarded citizenship in the French capital.

 

Beijing said Tuesday it was "strongly dissatisfied and resolutely opposed" to the Paris city council's decision, calling it interference in China's internal affairs.

 

A spokesman for Sarkozy's right-wing UMP party said Paris' Mayor Bertrand Delanoe may have been trying to boost his domestic popularity with the initiative.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:10:11 PM EST
Former French PM slams Paris Dalai Lama honour: Report- Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times
BEIJING: Former French prime minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin has criticised Paris's decision to honour the Dalai Lama and stressed there is no "confrontation" with China following angry protests, state media said on Wednesday.

The French government has scrambled to distance itself from Paris city council's move to make the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader an honorary citizen, which coincides with days of anti-France rallies.

"I believe that the action by (Paris Mayor Bertrand) Delanoe is a very serious political mistake," Raffarin said, according to the text of an interview published in the China Youth Daily.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:27:24 PM EST
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482 Years of Good Beer: Germans Toast the Anniversary of Their Beer Purity Law - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

The German 'Reinheitsgebot,' or beer purity law, started 482 years ago. Germans find reason to celebrate the drink even the mild-mannered Benjamin Franklin once called "proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

 The German Reinheitsgebot, or beer purity law, celebrates its 482nd birthday on April 23. Brewski. Suds. Cold one. Pint. Cerveza. Call it what you will, beer may be the world's most traditional beverage. First brewed in ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia over 8,000 years ago, it rates a mention in the epic of Gilgamesh, and its earliest chemical traces -- from 3500 BC -- have been found in the Godin Tepe in the Zagros mountains, in present-day Iran. Beer is a model internationalist.

On Wednesday, Germans mark their own contribution to the history of beer, the Reinheitsgebot, or purity law, which strictly regulated the price and ingredients of beer at the start of the 16th century.

It's an excuse for parties and brewery tours across Germany. The state of Bavaria has declared a whole "Beer Week," to let tourists and residents sample beer from some of the state's 40 breweries and 4,000 brands. Bavarians tend to be the most proud of the Reinheitsgebot. Most of their breweries adhere to it -- and they came up with it the law the first place.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:14:03 PM EST
Franconia would like to point out that their beer purity law was in place 15 years before Bavaria copied it.

And as the law only allows water, hops, barley and yeast, wheat beer breaks the law. So any brewery that makes wheat beer, which include most of the ones in Bavaria, are technically in breach.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:34:40 PM EST
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deredactie.be - English - Brussels Airlines to fly more slowly
Wed 23/04/08 - The Belgian flag carrier Brussels Airlines intends to fly more slowly on a number of its European flights. In this way the airline wants to save on its fuel bill.
The measure affects flights using Avro aircraft. Brussels Airlines has 28 such aircraft in its fleet.
Flights should only arrive one or two minutes later than at present, but realise a considerable cost-saving.
     
 


The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:16:34 PM EST
...look what just floated past my window...

by Sassafras on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:59:18 PM EST
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Nice!  I'd love to go up in a hot air balloon. Think of the photos!

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:05:22 PM EST
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I rode in the chase vehicle twice when my daughter was too small to go up.  Next time, it's my turn...  :)
by Sassafras on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:11:05 PM EST
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Hurrah!

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:18:57 PM EST
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Just make sure you go up in the right kind of balloon...

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:16:11 PM EST
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Good advice, don't go up in one of them.  Even being a priest won't save you.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:22:02 PM EST
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For a good Reggae take on Priestly Survivability listen 2:30 in to This podcast.

The story of Bedward the flying preacher by Prince Far-I and the on-u sound system.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:10:17 PM EST
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Do you live anywhere near this place?

Sadly, we're lacking proper pigeons round here...

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.

by Ephemera on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:30:12 PM EST
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What's a proper pigeon?  We have an abundance of pigeons but I don't know if they are 'proper'.  

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:31:48 PM EST
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Like street pigeons...the shale-grey ones which eat anything and only have one foot.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.
by Ephemera on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:40:50 PM EST
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yeah those are the type we have. I see them wherever I travel the whole world over.  You don't have any? I am astonished.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:44:00 PM EST
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When I say 'lacking' I don't mean 'absent', just 'deficient'. Compared with other places, fewer of them are around. I could go out and find one, just as a city dweller could find a sparrow or a pheasant, if they wanted.

I think the ecological niche is occupied mainly by wood pigeons and collared pigeons, plus another kind I don't know (kinda dun coloured like a partridge, but with a pigeon's body).

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.

by Ephemera on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:53:59 PM EST
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I didn't know there were places pigeons don't live.  Doesn't everyone have proper pigeons?  We have so many that it is illegal to feed them.  When I was young and lived in a small town, our next-door neighbor had pigeons on his roof that he was very proud of.  He fed them.  Thought they added some panache or something.  Our cats would catch them and eat them, and he'd act like we'd killed his puppy - totally furious, calling the police.  What a nutcase...  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:43:43 PM EST
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We had a neighbour who was the same way.

He raised pigeons and we had cats, so we put a little bell on the cat's collar which saved many birds and small rodents' lives.  

The cat just does it out of reflex; it wasn't hungry or anything.   So why get little animals killed for no reason?  Especially since the neighbour seemed to enjoy the pigeons.

Then, everyone was happy - the cat, the pigeons, the neighbour, and us.  

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:54:57 PM EST
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No, we actively rooted for the cats.  It's not proper small town America if the neighbors are not at war.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:02:31 PM EST
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it's funny that my father was a butcher and a hunter

my grand-mother raised rabbits which we would eat

and my father's partner was a farmer who raised cattle which he loved dearly but knew they would be slaughtered for meat.

a whole, didn't think that an animal that was killed and wasn't eaten was a terrible tragedy

and we got along with all the neighbours, most of which were recent immigrants to Canada

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:06:12 PM EST
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kiling is never funny
by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:44:21 PM EST
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Maybe not, but cats are mother nature's streamlined killers, bred by humans over 1000s of years to be the fiercest of the fierce. Killing is what they do, purring and being cute is just a ploy to lull you into a false sense of security.

And anyone who has lived in a large town like london knows that pigeons are winged rats and anything that reduces their numbers is definitely a good thing.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:53:14 PM EST
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Helen, you're being a little provocative, aren't you?

pigeons aren't just winged rats.  In fact, prior to bird flu, pigeons were not known to transport any disease communicable to man, if that's what you mean.  And chickens are much more responsible for that than any pigeon.

Pigeons have as much right to exist as cats do.

Senseless killing for absolutely no reason is always to be avoided, I thought was the mantra of the true progressive.

And putting a little bell on one's cat doesn't constitute a hardship.  

Geez...

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:06:02 PM EST
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zoe:
Pigeons have as much right to exist as cats do.

maybe but my money's still on the cats. The pigeons do have a defence, they can fly away.  Its not entireley senseless, its keeping their skills honed.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:15:19 PM EST
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if you're saying the cat has an advantage over a pigeon, well,  I won't argue that point

but to say you're cheering the cat on to kill pigeons is something entirely different

maybe it's because all the neighbours had lived in war-torn Europe prior to living in Canada, but nobody, and I mean nobody, thought that animals should be killing other animals if it could be prevented.  And it can.  Very easily.

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:22:06 PM EST
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zoe:
thought that animals should be killing other animals if it could be prevented. ;And it can. ;Very easily.

How? supergluing their paws to the ground is about the only way I can think of stopping them from hunting.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:25:16 PM EST
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Much more ethical than letting them hunt, I think.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:53:13 PM EST
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how about:

  •  keeping them indoors (a very good idea with all the feline leukemia going around, which cannot be prevented by vaccination)

  •  putting a collar on them with bells so that the birds hear the cat

  •  keeping them in a closed area
by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:54:48 PM EST
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zoe:
(a very good idea with all the feline leukemia going around, which cannot be prevented by vaccination)

FLV vaccination is about 75-85% effective, which is reasonably good as animal vaccinations go.

Bell collars are laughably innefective, and keeping cats in a closed area, is a big cause of feline obesity and so would be equally cruel

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:19:47 PM EST
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my cats were never fat.
by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:25:51 PM EST
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Bell collars are laughably innefective,...

Citation?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

(Jus' kidding.)

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.

by Ephemera on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:29:15 PM EST
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No citation needed, the bell might make a jangly noise when they're walking about, but stalking prey, they move too slowly to ring the bell, till the last second pounce, and by then its too late in a vast majority of cases.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:32:50 PM EST
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really...

and you know this how?

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:36:35 PM EST
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six months sleeping with a vet.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:39:15 PM EST
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a vet from the war in Afghanistan or Iraq?
by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:42:31 PM EST
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'Nam...

Birmin(g)am

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:48:35 PM EST
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Six months!?!?!

You stud.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.

by Ephemera on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:43:44 PM EST
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it depends which type of bell you put on.  the jingles don't work very well but there are real bells that work extremely well.  
by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:44:46 PM EST
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My Vet friend was convinced that the idea that any bell would work was wishful thinking and guilt avoidance on the part of cat owners.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:50:55 PM EST
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nope.  there are the real bells, which were extremely well.

of course, you have to take it off at night if you expect to get any sleep.  

I am seriously surprised by the reaction of the people here - like talking to people 20 years ago about paper recycling or something.  really, really backwards!

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:55:08 PM EST
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Based on my experience, ceebs is right.

I have a wildlife-friendly garden.  It's taken years of neglect work to get it that way.  I've got hedges, trees, nestboxes, a wildlife pond and buy local organic birdseed in 30kg sacks.  

I like the birds in my garden.  Really.

But bells don't work, because cats don't hunt by running after birds. I used to have two bells on the collar of one of my cats, and, as ceebs said, it was an exercise in assuaging guilt.  A tabby, he was invisible when lurking under a bush, and all he had to do was wait for a bird to come within range and pounce.

What the bells did do was irritate him.  And with hindsight, I think it may have been rather cruel as well as pointless to attach an annoying noisy thing to the neck of a creature with far more sensitive ears than ours.

by Sassafras on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 02:12:02 AM EST
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Eh? We should be out stopping hawks from eating pigeons? Stopping spiders from killing wasps? Stopping swallows catching flies?

Or did you mean domestic animals?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:25:25 PM EST
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if you feed your pet spider, then it has no need to kill flies

same with cats - unless you don't feed them, they have no need to kill birds

look at the audubon sites where they  BEG people to keep their cats indoors so they don't kill ANY birds.  or to put a bell on the cats' collars so the birds can hear them.

Cats are destroying the bird population which is already at risk.

The Effects of Cat Predation on Wildlife

from the USFWS Migratory Bird Mangement Office

Americans keep an estimated 60 million cats as pets. Let's say each cat kills only one bird a year. That would mean that cats kill over 60 million birds (minimum) each year - more wildlife than any oil spill.

Scientific studies actually show that each year, cats kill hundreds of millions of migratory songbirds. In 1990, researchers estimated that "outdoor" house cats and feral cats were responsible for killing nearly 78 million small mammals and birds annually in the United Kingdom.

University of Wisconsin ornithologist, Dr. Santley Temple estimates that 20-150 million songbirds are killed each year by rural cats in Wisconsin alone.

Feline predation is not "natural." Cats were domesticated by the ancient Egyptians and taken throughout the world by the Romans. Cats were brought to North America in the 1800's to control rats. The "tabby" that sits curled up on your couch is not a natural predator and has never been in the natural food chain in the Western Hemisphere.


by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:49:42 PM EST
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zoe:
if you feed your pet spider, then it has no need to kill flies
What do you feed your pet spider? Dead flies. What is your point?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:53:30 PM EST
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who has a pet spider?  it was an analogy.

I don't get it.  Is this some kind of joke on me?

Why don't people want to help the bird population because cats don't only kill pigeons, you know.  They kill any bird they can get their paws on.

And the number of these birds is dwindling every year.

And you guys are worried about your cats not playing enough?

This has got to be a joke...

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:57:28 PM EST
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who dosn't know someone who has a pet spider? (although tis may be the circles I move in)

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:34:36 PM EST
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You evidently don't live in a large town where pigeons are winged rats. Seeing the accumulated dirt that infests every bridge or building ledge, dirt that breeds disease and parasites and then falls on people.

Having to walk under a bridge looking up to ensure that a pigeon doesn't shit on you. How many bridges do you think you walk under in a large city ?

I'm not disputing the pigeon's right to an existence as a species, but like the common or garden rattus norwegicus, in concentrations as you find in london and other cities they are a pest, a nuisance and a genuine health hazard.

Or are you saying that, as progressives, we should cuddle rats too ? Cos, I'd say that was going into areas I cannot follow

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:21:42 PM EST
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I never said anything about cuddling rats.  We should limit the food that is available to rats, so that they don't breed

And as progressives, I thought we all agreed that humans are not the only ones who share the planet and that killing animals for our esthetic reasons seems to me to be very old fashioned thinking.  

I guess your country doesn't do a good job of cleaning up after pigeons, but mine does

And, if we were to follow your reasoning, we should also kill dogs and cats, because I've stepped in their poo plenty of times

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:33:51 PM EST
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You just can't be serious.  

That's it, folks!  Since Stop Blair! was such a success, I think our next campaign should aim to Stop the senseless killing!  No, not in Iraq.  The senseless killing of pigeons by cats!   We've let this go on far too long!  Killers are roaming our streets at night, playing with our children, sleeping in our beds!  The kittycat reign of terror must end!  Stop the violence!



"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:25:05 PM EST
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so getting rid of their claws isnt going to help.




Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:33:10 PM EST
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that's totally uncalled for and totally trollish.

I could have made fun of your crush on Putin and your hope that he cheats on his wife but I didn't.

I could have said plenty of things about someone who roots for cats to kill birds but I didn't.

And I am the one who wants to make absolutely sure that Blair doesn't get in the EU executive, and you're making fun of that.

That is extremely trollish behaviour.  

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:37:12 PM EST
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There may indeed be a troll here that everyone should stop feeding, but it's not poemless.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:45:38 PM EST
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Hey, how come I never get to be the troll?  Not fair!

(Seriously, though, I apologize for not shutting up earlier.)

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:52:07 PM EST
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Apparently it takes years of honing one's skills, along with certain natural gifts.

(And, uh, no apology necessary, I think we were just talking past each other.)

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:55:24 PM EST
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I guess I don't share you two's all-American values of death and unnecessary killing.  
by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:11:04 PM EST
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[ET Moderation Technology™]

"Zoe", you have been warned once already in the past week about ratings abuse, and have continued to abuse the ratings system in this thread. For the record, you used 6 Mega-troll ratings (0) which are totally out of proportion in this context. In accordance with ET's stated policy, your ratings have been wiped and your ability to rate other users has been suspended for a week.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 01:56:04 AM EST
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Wow, this never gets old for you does it?  No matter how many times you change your name...  lol.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:49:33 PM EST
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just because you disagree with someone is no reason for you to make fun of them
by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:51:40 PM EST
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I can't believe you just troll-rated that.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:51:57 PM EST
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I can!

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:59:33 PM EST
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Absolutely.  That was above and beyond the norms of good behaviour.

There's no need to make fun of people.

Like I said, I could have done the same about poemless' crush on Putin and her diary today justifying her belief that he cheats on his wife to keep her hopes alive.  But I didn't.

I have been well behaved and wanted to work on the stop Blair campaign and to make sure it hit the 100,000 mark by going out into the streets of the major cities of Europe, at my expense, and handing out leaflets.

And, when I heard he was going to try to make a run as Foreign Affairs Minister, offered to start a campaign for that, and also to do a lot of leg work.

It's a very accepted principle in the circles that I travel in that cats have decimated the bird population so I thought this would be a good time to make the issue known.

And to be made fun of like this is just trollish and immature.  

Whenever one finds oneself at a disadvantage in an argument, make fun of one's adversary, is just a great way to run a blog.  

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:06:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
"There's no need to make fun of people.  Like I said, I could have done the same about poemless' crush on Putin and her diary today justifying her belief that he cheats on his wife to keep her hopes alive.  But I didn't."

Thanks for being so thoughtful.  Sniff.  And for the e-mail about people being born on Oct 7 being tyrrants.  Which was really sweet.  It's terrible what's happened here to you today.  Just, sniff, horrible.

(*If I'm going to get "0"s I should at least deserve them, right?)


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:13:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
poemless

you are a very different person from what I thought you were

we don't share the same values at all.  I like life, respect for others, and for every other form of life.

you don't.

I don't think we could ever be friends.  

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:16:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That's just terrible news.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:18:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Not addressing this to you, personally, Mig, but I just wanted to say:

What a minute.

zoe:

So why get little animals killed for no reason?  Especially since the neighbour seemed to enjoy the pigeons.

This seems a perfectly reasonable perspective to me.  I live in a town with pigeons, too, and I don't have any great desire to send cats out to kill them all.  And, having lived in Britain with plenty of pigeons around town, my first inclination if I didn't want to be near them was to, you know, move.

Poemless's comment and picture weren't worthy of a troll rating, but, at the same time, there's some real inconsistency here.  I seem to recall poemless's issues with the term "broad church" leading to many (who were clearly in the right on the term's meaning) getting chewed out for continuing to push the issue.  There, Jerome said to us, "Hey, poemless says it's hurts her, so stop," and people obliged.

Well, here I think the issue clearly bothers zoe, and not for an unforgivable reason.  But, rather than disagreeing with some reasoned response or dropping it, poemless (always clever) mocks zoe.  Not worthy of a troll-rating, but still obnoxious and insensitive.

Personally, even if killing animals were necessary in a given case, I wouldn't get excited about it, certainly not to the extent that I'd cheer the cats on, and certainly not given the neighbor's response.  (Honestly, that strikes me as cruel and a bit disturbed.)  Not really a "team" sport in my book, but, silly asshole that I am, I would tend to associate that kind of perspective with being just a few steps above the likes of Michael Vick.

Just a thought.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 07:31:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Drew J Jones:

So why get little animals killed for no reason?  Especially since the neighbour seemed to enjoy the pigeons.

This seems a perfectly reasonable perspective to me.  I live in a town with pigeons, too, and I don't have any great desire to send cats out to kill them all.  And, having lived in Britain with plenty of pigeons around town, my first inclination if I didn't want to be near them was to, you know, move.


To reformulate that:

Humans should move if the habitat they have created for themselves gets coopted by other species which they find harmful.

We are so unbelievably schizophrenic about nature!

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 08:33:42 PM EST
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No, simply pointing out that I don't spend my time bitching about the presence of pigeons, and certainly wouldn't cheer the idea of pets killing them (not that this is a danger I face with mine).

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 09:03:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The thing is, what one person finds pleasant another can find a pest. That goes for cats too, by the way. When your neighbours have 10 cats and they're shitting all over your garden, you'd tend to get angry.

Also note that in this storyline these were not pigeons that were bred, but that rather they were wild or feral pigeons being fed by someone who liked their presence.

All of these things are objectable from some angle. Domestic cats kept for sentimental purposes can become a problem for bird populations that are already under stress, but the sentiment 'aww poor little birds' also shows a rather odd relation to nature.

I want to tell people to get less sentimental and conflicted about these things, but that puts me against 95% of the human population, even on ET.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 03:32:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You could not be more Dutch in this conversation!!!
by Nomad on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 03:47:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Now that makes double Dutch ;)

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 04:03:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
As were we leaving this morning, my friend's cat rolled in with a bird in her mouth. Which was not dead.

Which then escaped, flew around the kitchen, with the cat knocking all kinds of shit off the counter while chasing it. The bird saw the doorway and went for it, smacked the door frame, left a nice spot of blood, managed to stay aloft, and escaped outside for a brief few extra hours of life.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:08:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
unnecessary suffering
by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:12:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
What are you insinuating about the StopBlair! petition success?...

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:24:11 PM EST
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zoe:
pigeons aren't just winged rats.  In fact, prior to bird flu, pigeons were not known to transport any disease communicable to man, if that's what you mean.
She probably means pigeons shit on everything and everyone. As Chickens can't fly, they tend not to be able to shit on your head.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:51:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I have never been shat upon by a pigeon.

And even if I had been, I wouldn't want to kill the pigeon.  

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:52:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No one said it was "funny."  I don't think sport is funny, but I root for my team when they do their job well.  Cats control the unwanted critter population.  It's what they do.  Kill.  In fact, cats are only capable of having fun when they think they are killing something.  Be it a bird, piece of string, a vase...  Their idea of a good time.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:05:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm sorry but "unwanted critter population"?

Isn't that how the buffalo almost made it to extinction?

And the dodo bird did?

Pigeons don't harm anyone.  They have a right to exist as well.  Or did I somehow step into 1808 instead of 2008?

I know very well why cats "have fun killing".  It's because their neurons and their optical system are adapted to react to movement so they are hyperalert to that.  You might think it's enjoyment of killing, but it's just reflexes that allow them to thrive as predators.  That doesn't mean one has to let them kill things.  They can get just as much exercise in trying to run down birds who know they are coming because the cat has a bell on its collar.  In fact, they get a lot more exercise this way and no birds get killed.

Millions of birds are killed unnecessarily every year because of domestic cats.  And, because of other problems such as insecticides, pollution, etc, the number of birds is dwindling already...

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:11:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Where is J and his awesome "cats kill more birds than windfarms" graph?

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:27:03 PM EST
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I have temporary pigeons.

They get immensely fat gobbling up the grain the smaller birds spill from the feeders.

Which makes them a pretty easy target for the sparrowhawks.  It's hideous and amazing at the same time.

by Sassafras on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:47:10 PM EST
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We used to have lots of pigeons 'round here, cuz people kept them on rooftops (in the city) and in special pigeon towers (in the countryside), partly as pets but mostly as food (stuffed pigeon is an Egyptian delicacy).  But then the bird flu came, and the government made everybody kill their pigeons.  So there are a lot fewer now.  Some people still have them (from high points in the city, you can see flocks flying around at dusk) but in nowhere near the numbers of just a few years ago.  I don't even like pigeons (nasty pigeon experience in my young adulthood, long story) but I still think it's sad to have seen such an old and honored tradition largely scrubbed out.  And the pigeon towers in the country are so pretty.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:00:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Can someone explain to me why Clinton is still in the race when she clearly can't win it?

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:24:48 PM EST
Didn't your parents and teachers ever tell you that it is not the winning but the taking part which counts?

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.
by Ephemera on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:34:29 PM EST
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Not all of them. Some of them say "If you can not win, make the puñeta."

hacer la puñeta? = fuck?

When Procrustes looks after you, you're sure to fit in.

by PerCLupi on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:05:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Don't worry, I meant it ironically anyway.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.
by Ephemera on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:30:37 PM EST
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Because if she doesn't destroy Obama, McCain will.  Or something.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:34:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Obama can't seem to close the deal either.
by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:49:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
She's not going to catch him.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:50:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
you know the story of the prisoner who promised to teach the king's dog to talk?

he was sentenced to death but he got a reprieve for one year because that is the time he asked for to teach the king's dog to talk.

another prisoner says:  that's crazy, you'll never teach a dog to talk!

the first prisoner responds:  a lot of things can happen in a year - the king could die, the dog could, or I could die.  hell, the dog might even learn to talk!

the same thing holds for political campaigns.

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:56:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
So Clinton will win when pigs fly? Well, much like the existence of the Invisible Sky Giant, I can't falsify that claim.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:59:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
maybe someone will find out something really terrible about Obama or Michelle Obama will be photographed holding up a bank -  something weird and unexpected will happen  - you never know what the future holds

I admire Clinton for fighting so tenaciously.  It's what the Dems need in a President.  

Unfortunately, I think Bill Clinton is coming down with Alzheimer's.  It happens  a lot in people with heart disease.  

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:03:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Isn't that originally a mullah Nasrudin story?

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:18:00 PM EST
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Because she applies this saying Spanish: "My God, that I run out of one eye as long as he is left without the two!"

He is Obama, of course.

Perhaps this is what Drew meant. Hi, Drew.

When Procrustes looks after you, you're sure to fit in.

by PerCLupi on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:55:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm not sure what you meant, but hi back just the same. :)

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:57:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Clinton: "If I do not win, that Obama lost."

When Procrustes looks after you, you're sure to fit in.
by PerCLupi on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:52:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Heh.  4 years ago everyone was upset that the nominee was declared before most people had a chance to vote.  Now people are upset that the nominee has not been declared before everyone has had a chance to vote.  If she has the money to do it, and is still on the ballot, and keeps winning primaries, I don't see why she is obligated to stop campaigning.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:56:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]
All primaries should be on the same day around the country.

I'm not offended by Clinton hanging in there - just seems like a waste of money.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:58:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
MillMan:
All primaries should be on the same day around the country.

That makes so much sense you just know it's never going to happen.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:33:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]
All primaries should be on the same day around the country.

I disagree.  In that case, you don't allow for the, I think, reasonable consideration of "vetting," and you don't allow the candidates to spend time with voters.  (It disproportionately affects establishment candidates, too, which I don't like, but that's just my taste.)  The calendar should be rotated every four years, so that we don't concentrate things in Iowa and New Hampshire.  And it shouldn't be so long.  But I think a national primary is a very bad idea.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:55:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]
You could have it in May, giving everyone time to jet/train/drive walk around the country pressing flesh and being proto-presidential.

The current system is insane. It gives side-issue states huge media play, and turns the nomination into an even more of a flying circus than it would be otherwise.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:24:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That's true, you could have it in May.  But, at the same time, I think it's also true that the focused campaigning helps to focus voters (more to that thought but can't figure out the words -- bah).

And, yes, the current system is psychotic.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 07:41:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
There is no perfect system. If we had a single primary, Clinton would have won it. The argument about allowing less well funded candidates participate in the small early primaries and caucuses went out the window when the media kicked a couple of the minority candidates from the TV debates in Iowa. On the other hand, there are rumors about Republicans changing to D to vote in the PA primary, which they wouldn't do if there were a single primary date.

The current system is hugely flawed, but a better one is pretty hard to come up with. Now if Clinton would just get some sense and bail out...but no, she's busy bragging about how she will bomb Iran when she's president.

by asdf on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 02:32:52 AM EST
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I think Obama should just move on from the Primaries and start campaigning against McCain. Just ignore Clinton completely as an irrelevance and use the primaries as a way of taking his Presidential campaign on the road.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:31:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well he would if he could, but as it stands, he has had to actively campaign against her in the primaries in order to hold onto his lead.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:34:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, I think he could actively campaign while not actively campaigning against her, but I'm inclined to agree with zoe that there might be questions of sexism if he were to completely ignore her.  I think you're right and wrong depending upon the state, and it goes back to that whole "frontrunner" thing, where you don't address your opponent unless you have to.  Tough call.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 07:45:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
 that's not a good idea for a lot of reasons not the least of which is that to appear to ignore a candidate who is a woman would make him look like a sexist pig.
by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:42:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Which leaves him in the interesting position that not to ignore a candidate because she's a woman makes him a sexist pig.
by Sassafras on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:59:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I don't get it.
by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:01:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I mean that, if he would ignore a male rival in this situation, he shouldn't have to treat Clinton any differently.
by Sassafras on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:10:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
if Clinton were a male, Obama would just be perceived as extremely arrogant.

because she is a female, he would be perceived as a sexist pig.

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:38:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
If Clinton were male, she'd be Joe Lieberman, and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 07:42:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
no way.  

firstly, her allegiance doesn't lie with Israel first

secondly, she and her husband haven't been shown to be bloodthirsty Arab haters

etc

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 07:46:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh, really?  Then address for me her threatening to nuke Iran if Iran threatened -- yes, not actually attacked, but merely threatened -- to attack Israel.

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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 07:48:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I don't think he has to do it at that level. That's what she wants him to do, trouble is he just doens't have to. She's an irrelevance and all he has to do is start attacking McCain. After all, it was Clinton who said what a great and experienced guy McCain was, to the extent that Rachel Maddow said she was fishing for a VP slot. So attacking McCain and republican politics is attacking Clinton and Obama can frame it like that.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:00:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
she''s not an irrelevance at all.

she 's not far behind him in the delegate count.

the rest I don't understand.  

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:03:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
NWS Norman, Oklahoma - Enhanced Weather Page
Weather Synopsis...The threat for strong to severe thunderstorms continues across much of the area...especially western Oklahoma. More intense thunderstorms may develop in the very unstable air mass across southern Oklahoma and western north Texas later in the afternoon...with the potential for more significant severe weather. Check this website often for the latest information.

Supercells likely, tornadoes possible.  Springtime in Oklahoma...

The blurker formerly known as ignorant bystander.

by b--- (budr at hughes net) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:54:28 PM EST
Hi kids, I'm back.

I managed to get a cold practically the moment I touched down in Carcasonne and have had a running nose and sneezing attacks the whole time. Yuk. Then flying back got a pressure problem and it's taken me 4 hours before I've started feeling even remotely "right".

So, have I missed anything ? Aside from Clinton trying to out-bomb McCain by promising to obliterate Iran.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:28:37 PM EST
Any suggestions for this week's photoblog? I suggest landmarks, as well as ask the experts and photos as usual.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:48:38 PM EST
How about:

"Cultures on my street"

http://www.street-cultures.eu/

The photo motif should capture your vision of intercultural dialogue. Go out to your neighborhood, walk through the streets of your town and catch that special moment when cultures meet.

?

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:07:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Not on my street. I have a choice between not quite middle class, quite middle class, very middle class, and everso very middle class.

A cosmopolitan melting pot bubbling with the world's cultural finest flavours it isn't.

But I did see some pigeons in my garden today.

(Or were they doves? It's not always easy to tell.)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:20:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
want to borrow a cat? ;-)

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:37:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Only if it's six feet long and stripey.

The neighbours have a menagerie. Some timely predation could be appropriate.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:57:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
some days I do think phasing the wolf out of the UK's ecosystem was a mistake.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 07:04:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
not quite middle class, quite middle class, very middle class, and everso very middle class

Quintessential English subject matter. Though capturing the subtle contrasts with a stills camera might call for something like genius (meaning a job for you, not for me ;)).

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 02:14:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Government-mandated feel good initiatives still creep me out. This use of the 'that' word, too. Can everyone please stop writing 'that rarest of'? It has that certain je ne sais quoi that makes my ears hurt even when it's my eyes I use for reading.

</crankiness>

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:34:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It's a good idea.  I don't know if I have more than one or two of these photos to put up and no time this week to go and get more, but if others are keen we can include that as a section.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 02:39:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Just shoot some blue-molded yoghurt.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 02:43:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Alas, I have none of that, although I could let a cup of tea stand for a few days.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 02:47:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
today was pretty insane...

 builders on the roof putting back tiles around the new pv panels, the plumber putting back the solar water heater panels into a new place next to the pv, and the tv antenna guy come to move the parabola, as that was shading the silicon.

i had to be really on the ball, seeing all these operations synchronised, and being a 'third hand' when necessary, the weather held, and the late evening was golden.

 when it was done and dusted, i called the engineer to come hook it up, (as he hadn't been able to do that until the tiles had been fixed in place, and it's been too rainy to do that for 10 days), and surprise... there's a festa coming up on mayday, so i was to forget about it till after then.

it's always something, lol.

sorry to hear about your dog, colman. i hope she gets better fast after the operation.

one of my dogs has been poorly these last two days.

off her food, and too weak to get up almost, her nose was warm and dry, and she hurt when i tried to pick her up.

i brushed her all over, checking for ticks, which have become more numerous with global warming, bleh.

between her toes, in her ears, none there. so i popped a cap of golden seal down her throat this morning, and a hit of kidney tincture, and let her sleep on a couch for a treat all day.

tonight i went out for my sunset walk, turned around, and there she was following me and my other dog!

slowly, haltingly, but she made it for a mile and a half there and back, so i am encouraged.

the sunset was pretty special...

"Music is the pleasure the human mind experiences from counting without being aware that it is counting." - Leibniz .

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:58:59 PM EST
Frozen Wave Phenomenon on Lake Huron
Frozen Wave Phenomenon on Lake Huron.

Michigan has had the coldest winter in decades. Water expands to freeze, and at Macinaw City the water in Lake Huron below the surface ice was supercooled. It expanded to break through the surface ice and froze into this incredible wave.

This wave phenomena is seen in Antarctica, but in Michigan? Yes, it's been quite a winter!



"Music is the pleasure the human mind experiences from counting without being aware that it is counting." - Leibniz .

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 07:29:52 PM EST
I posted this last week in an open thread.

It was debunked.  the picture was taken in Antarctica and is caused by wind.

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 07:32:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It is a hoax, though a beautiful one at that. The veins running through the ice make it look like a giant fillet of salmon...or something.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.
by Ephemera on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 07:45:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]
http://www.eurotrib.com/comments/2008/4/14/133331/832/39#39

Huge waves----shaped by the wind!  Most beautiful!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 08:08:25 PM EST
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