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by Colman
Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 12:53:02 PM EST

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You mean we are not allowed to sleep at the OT! :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 12:54:14 PM EST
I'm trying to work out if the FT actually had an unusually useful set of articles today or whether my lack of sleep just makes them look more interesting.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 12:55:31 PM EST
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My guess is, sleep deprivation might give a new perspective to things.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 01:03:48 PM EST
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Uproar over WWII Exhibition: Occupied Paris Shown in Full Color - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

An exhibition in Paris of color photographs of life under the German occupation has caused such a furore that it was nearly cancelled. The photographs, which were taken by an employee of a Nazi propaganda magazine, are now to be shown with new captions explaining their historical context.

A controversial exhibition about Paris during World War II has caused such an uproar that it was almost cancelled.

The Historical Library of the City of Paris is currently showing 270 photos taken during the German occupation from 1940 to 1944. However the library has come in for heavy criticism for not revealing that the photographer worked for a Nazi propaganda magazine and for failing to give any context to the images.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 12:56:07 PM EST
"Ve haf vays of making your exhibition fit our approved reality?"

Normal life continued. What a shock. Who doesn't know what else was going on at the time?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 01:00:50 PM EST
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Some of the uproar comes from wanting to preserve an image of occupied Paris as a dismal place where everybody was starving, and happiness absent.

The photographs show a Paris that isn't that different from the one in the early 50's, with a few fascist posters added in. And it's not an invented Paris : there were people (not all) having fun in Paris in the early 40's...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 01:09:37 PM EST
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I've heard this discussed, but "uproar"?

Actually, most photos of occupied Paris were taken under the auspices of the Propagandastaffel (which had the film ), and either show German military having a good time, or life and business as usual. There were people having a good time, even an obscenely good time (have you read Patrick Modiano?), but unless you were on the make in some way, it was no doubt pretty dismal.

Yes, there's a French tendency to want to cling to a legend of WWII that is more flattering to the national ego, but there can be a contrary tendency to want to paint it all informers, collabos and champagne. As usual, I think things were in fact complicated.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:01:20 PM EST
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Actually, most of the pictures in this set were not for publication... With LEP we went to the "Paris in colour" exhibition which presented bits of this set and one made by a German soldier. Which apparently were the only two people photographing in colour at that time.

I think that at all times in Paris you'd find people living in squalor and people living in luxury. The proportions certainly varied during the war, but the latter tend to be photographed more often...

And the polemic about the exhibition was about, "How dare you show picture of life going on while jews were being sent to the camps ?". Well, one of the problems of such situations is that quite often, life is going on more or less as normal. Not only for collaborators.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:45:57 PM EST
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A Day in the Life : What Makes the Average German Tick? - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News
What do Germans earn? How much do they drink? How loyal are they? How often do they lie? What do they believe in? What are they afraid of? How often do they have sex? How do they die? A new SPIEGEL report gives a unique picture of the average German and how they think, live and love.

Last year Thomas Müller ate 42.9 kilograms (94.6 pounds) of fruit, consumed 540 glasses of alcoholic beverages, wore pajamas to bed, watched at least 1,200 hours of TV, drank champagne at birthday parties, received new music CDs for Christmas, drove to work and had sex with his wife 117 times. He is a man without secrets.

In the same year, Sabine Müller ate 57 kilograms (126 pounds) of fruit, consumed 229 glasses of alcoholic beverages, slept in a nightgown, occasionally baked a cake and watched more than 1,400 hours of TV. She has an orchid in her living room and puts up a real Christmas tree for the holidays -- and she had sex with her husband 117 times. She is a woman without secrets.

The Müllers spent two weeks of the year on vacation -- in Germany -- and on Jan. 1, 2008, they discovered that they had gained 370 grams (13 ounces) over the holidays. Thomas is 45, 1.79 meters (5'10") tall, is slightly overweight at 83.5 kilograms (184 lbs), and earns €3,702 ($5,923) a month gross. His wife, Sabine, is three years his junior, 1.66 meters (5'5") tall and weighs a little under 67 kilos (148 pounds). She works part-time, wears her hair long but not too long, runs the household on her own and likes reading horoscopes.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 12:58:39 PM EST
So this is the average German. But what about the standard deviation German? What is the distribution function of Germans?...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:24:29 PM EST
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Trust a German couple to have sex the same number of times with each other.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:10:49 PM EST
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it's the old question, If men are more promiscuous than women, who exactly are they being promiscuous with?

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:12:58 PM EST
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"Owt wi'ole" as our cousins above the Midlands would have it. And have there not been a number of reports recently of gentlemen attempting congress with machinery?

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:22:34 PM EST
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I won't go looking for the perenial internet favourite pic of the gentleman wearing ladies underthings, whilst having his apropriate organ "Resting" inside the exhaust pipe of a car

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:26:40 PM EST
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Thank you for desisting. This is a family site.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:33:02 PM EST
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Thank you for desisting. Even if this is not really a family site.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:59:29 PM EST
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Each other, of course.

You shouldn't be so heteronormative to presume that sexual intercourse requires both a man and a woman.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.

by Ephemera on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:40:35 PM EST
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Hi, I just met Redstar in Paris. Right now we're having a drink in Place Clichy...

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 12:59:57 PM EST
Redstar wants you to know that the couscous restaurant turned into a Kashmiri restaurant. Do you guys think that's OK, or should he keep looking?

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 01:03:42 PM EST
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I don't mind. I'm not the biggest fan of cous cous anyway. But being english and eating indian food in Paris seems like taking coal to newcastle.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 01:23:22 PM EST
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Brasserie Wepler?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:08:21 PM EST
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Yep!

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 05:32:28 PM EST
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Ananova - Church-going bees

A religious beekeeper in Serbia has started making beehives shaped like tiny monasteries and churches "because bees have a soul too".

Slobodan Jeftic, 58, from Stari Kostolac, said: "By doing this, I am bringing together the two great loves of my life, beekeeping and my religion.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 01:01:16 PM EST
bees have a soul too"

Had my late grandmother heard this... or her pastor... (strict Catholic denial of animal souls and human animal-ness, one thing over which the Church was in perfect agreement with the 'communist' regime)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:27:03 PM EST
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If only they were around to see the Internet's greatest feat, icanhascheezburger.com.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:31:19 PM EST
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So do the individual bees have souls, or is there one big hive soul? Terry Pratchett would have us believe the latter.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:42:34 PM EST
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Ananova - Calls for G Raffe flood zoo switchboard

Hoax calls to Dublin Zoo for Rory Lion and G Raffe are jamming its telephone switchboard.

Up to 5,000 unsuspecting victims of a practical joke are flooding the phone lines at the Phoenix park attraction, reports the Irish Independent.

They all received text messages to their mobile phones telling them to urgently call the zoo's number and ask for G Raffe, C Lion, Rory Lyons or Anna Conda.

Zoo bosses say their switchboard operators have been overwhelmed and pleaded with the public not to fall for the prank.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 01:02:49 PM EST
Ananova - English village to defect?

An English village is holding a referendum on defecting to Wales - for benefits such as free prescriptions and free hospital car parking.

Residents of Audlem, Cheshire, nine miles from the Welsh border, have organised an online poll asking villagers whether it is time to break away from England.

The village is unlikely to come under the control of the Welsh Assembly any time soon, reports the Daily Telegraph.

But residents say the poll will tell politicians there is an issue of increasing inequality between countries in Britain that needs addressing.

Residents have so far voted 63% in favour of joining Wales with 37% opposed. To date 154 people have voted.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 01:08:47 PM EST
As Alex Salmond of the Scot Nats has pointed out, "if the english want good services, they can always vote for them". The difficulty is finding a political party willing to legislate for them.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 01:25:53 PM EST
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English village holds vote to join Wales

An English village is so taken with the benefits of being Welsh, including free prescriptions and free hospital car parking, that it is holding a referendum on becoming part of Wales.

...

However, residents say that simply holding the poll will tell politicians that there is an issue of increasing inequality between countries in Britain that needs addressing.

Cute.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.

by Ephemera on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 01:30:54 PM EST
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Yeah, well.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:51:16 PM EST
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Ananova - US outrage at 50p per litre fuel

People in the US are reportedly changing their holiday plans - after petrol reached the "ridiculous" price of up to 50p a litre.

The national average for unleaded fuel is $3.53 a US gallon - which works out at just over 47p a litre.

But the price in California, the most expensive state for 'gas' in the US, has reached 51p a litre with diesel even higher at 59p.

US motorists will get little sympathy from their British counterparts where petrol is well over £1 a litre and diesel around £1.20.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 01:09:55 PM EST
And our cars are sensible sizes as well and are economical with mpg generally above 30.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 01:27:31 PM EST
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Hey, mine gets 35 mpg, and it's eight years old.  It's not the lack of more efficient cars that hurts them.  It's the stupidity.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 01:42:12 PM EST
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That math doesn't look right to me!

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 03:16:29 PM EST
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$3.53 / 3.785 (number of litres per US gallon) = 93 cents

93 cents = 47p at today's rates (1 USD = 0.502658 GBP).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:22:26 PM EST
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How's fuel in France nowadays, BTW?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:34:25 PM EST
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We were talking about it other evening and concluded prices were similar between Britain and France (at least this part of France).
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 05:04:25 PM EST
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Thanks. It's the pence that got me. I'm not thinking too well- suffering from sciatica.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 05:01:38 PM EST
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However there are some predictions now of American gas prices in the $10 range...

The forecasts calling for a jump to between $7 and $10 a gallon are based on the view that the price of crude is on its way to $200 in two to three years. Translating this price into dollars and cents at the gas pump, one of our forecasters, the chairman of Houston-based Dune Energy, Alan Gaines, sees gas rising to $7-$8 a gallon. The other, a commodities tracker at Weiss Research in Jupiter, Fla., Sean Brodrick, projects a range of $8 to $10 a gallon.
http://www2.nysun.com/article/75363
by asdf on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 11:40:13 PM EST
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I had a really bad day.

I accidentally sliced the top of my middle finger almost all the way off.  Luckily, they managed to sew it back on at the clinic.

I am still in that "shock" mode, and am looking to distract myself.

It doesn't hurt but I have that vaso-vagal thing that makes me faint when I  see blood, etc, so I am lying down and trying to get over the whole thing

by zoe on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 01:33:12 PM EST
Ouch !!

I recommend a large glass of wine, followed by another....and another. Repeat until full bodily anasthesia is accomplished

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 01:41:32 PM EST
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Consider the source on that advice, zoe.  Helen would recommend that even if you were perfectly well. :)

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 01:44:47 PM EST
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you 2 make me laugh
by zoe on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 01:57:49 PM EST
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Laughter is at least a secondary function of ET, especially in times where one's piano playing abilities are challenged.  I'm sure i speak for all, or at least myself, in wishing you a speedy recovery.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:51:02 PM EST
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as the Swiss say "merci vielen Mal."
by zoe on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:14:40 PM EST
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And the problem with that is.....?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 01:59:29 PM EST
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No problem at all in my book.  Just sayin'.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:04:06 PM EST
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this reminds me of how people in different languages say "Ouch"

in French, it's ayoye or Aïe!

I would have thought that it was a reflex and that everyone would say it the same way.

by zoe on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:16:35 PM EST
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this was the Chinese character of the day:

http://tinyurl.com/4cpxz

by zoe on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:44:38 PM EST
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the page won't open but it was the simplified Chinese character for "shit!"
by zoe on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:41:55 PM EST
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I am not sure that onomatopoeic equivalents for 'ouch' exist in Finnish. The only exclamation I hear is 'Perkele', meaning Devil. It is blurted out with explosive consonants, fully rounded and with extended trilling of the 'r'. The collapse of anything that was previously going well is accompanied by 'Saatana' - again meaning Devil. The double 'a' can be extended in proportion to the entropy. This is one of those rare occasions when a Finnish word is NOT pronounced exactly as it is spelt.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:31:48 PM EST
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Oh, that's nasty! I was once the only adult male on an island when one of the ladies put a knife through her hand while filleting fish we'd caught. Queasy though I was for a moment, I realised I had to take charge before mass hysteria descended. I became totally calm and focused, thinking logically as I had never thought before. In the aftermath, after we stopped the bleeding, there were speedboats to be organized, kids to be reassured and so on.

I must have released about 20 cc of noradrenalin, and a flood of other useful mind modifiers. I didn't sleep that night ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 01:56:51 PM EST
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so where u this p.m. when I needed you ;-)
by zoe on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 01:59:21 PM EST
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Picking up my new 24" iMac ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:02:30 PM EST
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oh, ok then
by zoe on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:04:14 PM EST
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Would you believe that it's been sitting in its box in full view for over 4 hours, and I haven't opened it yet?

I've promised myself not to install it until I've sorted out the spaghetti of cabling and rationalised the power connections. It is not something I am looking forward to.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:06:00 PM EST
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I thought a big part of the appeal with iMacs was the end of the spaghetti of cabling?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:10:00 PM EST
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LEGACY cabling ;-)

I have everything hooked up to everything else for making movies, music etc. 14 outboard devices in all.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:19:13 PM EST
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Ah, okay, I see.  I just couldn't keep up with all of that.  I salute you.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:21:52 PM EST
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I am never as happy as when I get equipment and software to do something for which it was not intended. I've been tryng to do that for myself also, with less spectacular results ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:21:56 PM EST
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Grief, I have problems enough trying to get things to do what they're supposed to. It took me two hours of deep and intense swearing before I got a scanner to work.

I. HATE. COMPUTERS

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:25:34 PM EST
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But you used to work in computers/IT?

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:40:26 PM EST
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It is a common problem in the branch ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:41:39 PM EST
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its a necessary part of dealing with them. Often the only way to get them to work properly is to threaten them with extreme phyisical violence, and they have to Really Know that you actually mean it.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:46:50 PM EST
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I was customer support and empathised with the customer base very well cos I shared their dislike of the things.

I was the person they'd send to the snarling difficult ones who were frustrated beyond control (not uncommon with the BBC desktop). I always used to say that if you fix the user, you don't have to fix the computer. But if you fix the computer and don't fix the user, you've wasted your time.

I didn't know (and still don't) know much about computers, but I know how to deal with people. Far more important when you're dealing with people cos they care how you treat them, computers don't.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:53:56 PM EST
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A lot of customer support people could learn a lot from that.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:57:11 PM EST
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It's not so much the people, companies don't vaule customer support. We've got yer money...now p"ss off !!!

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 03:00:15 PM EST
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too true

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 03:22:13 PM EST
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Phones 4 U kept calling my mobile about half a dozen times a day and then I gave in and answered, launching into my usual 'I am deaf, I can't hear you, can you take me off your calling list?' but he carried right on with his script saying that I'd asked for them to call me.  I pointed out again that I'm deaf and would not have asked them to call and could he please take me off the list and still he carried on.  Then I said that I'd not had a good experience with phones 4 U when I got my contract and will deal directly with the provider and he just hung up me!  Obviously missed out on charm school.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 03:29:04 PM EST
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Now me, I love manuals.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:41:05 PM EST
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well, there's your problem.  they're scared of you ;-)

you have to cajole and praise, and give them treats when they perform well.

by zoe on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:42:39 PM EST
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A 16 pound sledge hammer to take out the adjacent wall and a threatend three story trip to the skip in the car park is the only thing that really gets compliance from them.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:49:11 PM EST
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What a beautiful machine Sven.  May you produce gloriously upon it.  Caol Ila drunken in salute and best wishes, and i may even open the 27 i got last night.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:57:23 PM EST
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Thank you, sire!

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:09:26 PM EST
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I got one of those.  It is absolutely wonderful,  I just LOVE having all that screen real estate for when I am working with Illustrator, Final Cut Pro, Indesign, Photoshop, and the 3D programs.  And the silence--my old Mac was a noisy thing so I revel in the quiet.

May you have a long and creative relationship with your new toy.

"Remember the I35W bridge--who needs terrorists when there are Republicans"

by techno (reply@elegant-technology.com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 03:07:50 PM EST
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I need a few more hectares ;-) I have two big Samsung Syncmasters, because it is quite hard to work with Final Cut Pro without them. But I am relegating the old G5 to fun use and will stick one of the Samsungs with it.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:13:17 PM EST
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Any of you pros have advice on colour calibration?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:23:20 PM EST
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Hmm, I could do with finding out more about colour calibration - it isn't cheap to invest in a calibrator.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:26:41 PM EST
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On Macs, the Display Calibrator Assistant in Expert mode does a pretty good job. And unless you are in a totally dark studio, there will always by ambient and physiological colour effects which impinge on calibration and how it is perceived.

The DCA does a good enough job - certainly as far as offset printers are concerned. On bigger jobs we always go down to see the first sheets off to make adjustments. It shouldn't happen, but unfortunately there are a few pairs of interfering eyeballs between you and the printed result.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:41:30 PM EST
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My field of vision is such that I seriously doubt that I can use much more than a 24" screen.  I have always disliked the dual screen set-up--I have had it twice and didn't like it either time.  Further, I first learned Photoshop on a 640x480 64k screen, so I know how to get along with limited space.

Of course, I have a real Broadcast-spec monitor for video editing but I don't even try to get the monitor to match it (I set my monitor for printing/Internet.)  But even that doesn't get used much.  If the footage was well-shot, there isn't much need to fix it in post.  I work with one cameraman who would probably throw a fit if I messed with his color anyway.

Apple set the monitor at the factory so that pictures from a digital camera will look good--that use is the most demanding requirement of the iMac market.  I don't know if they have an Apple store in Finland, but the one near here had the iMacs lined up with rotating full-screen photos selected by the VERY fussy Apple graphics department.

BTW, did you see that Apple announced the new iMacs TODAY.  You may be in a position to bargain for an upgrade / price drop--just tell them you want to return the one you just got and see how they respond.  

When I got mine, Apple had just released Leopard and like the trendy I am, I immediately upgraded.  THAT was a mistake.  I had software I could not get running right for three months.  But some application programs had updates, Leopard itself has had two, and importantly, there was a recent firmware update so everything is now running full speed.  I upgraded the memory to full capacity (4 gigs) before I ever plugged it in the first time.

My iMac is, by FAR the best computer I have ever had the pleasure to run.  It is beautiful, quiet, and blazingly fast doing difficult things.  I hope it lasts a LONG time.

"Remember the I35W bridge--who needs terrorists when there are Republicans"

by techno (reply@elegant-technology.com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 09:52:12 PM EST
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I've used the same Apple dealer for years now for company use and brought them customers - so I get a good deal. They threw in the 4 gig max.

For video editing I use an ancient Sony pro monitor which I also take sometimes to the studio - I know the feel of the picture. It's like having a favourite vocal mike that you are used to (U87 - though there's an AKG I like with my own voice. I do a lot of voiceovers and I have persuaded some clients to let me record at home. This makes me feel better about not driving into town.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Apr 29th, 2008 at 11:37:41 AM EST
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I was once the only adult male on an island when one of the ladies put a knife through her hand while filleting fish we'd caught.

You never told us you'd been on reality TV?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:28:58 PM EST
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now that's funny
by zoe on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:48:20 PM EST
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good job you've got a spare hand to type with or that would have been nasty ;-)

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:25:02 PM EST
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I only have 2 hands, with no spares.
by zoe on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:45:42 PM EST
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you could probably manage without the odd finger though couldn't you?

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:10:12 PM EST
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or the opposable thumbs ;-)
by zoe on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:21:59 PM EST
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Hope your finger heals fast. Ice can help. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:57:05 PM EST
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thanks Fran.  
by zoe on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:20:38 PM EST
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or in simplified Chinese

http://chineseculture.about.com/library/symbol/np/nc_thankyou.htm

xie xie ni

(pronounced shie shie ni in Mandarin)

by zoe on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:41:04 PM EST
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Geezz, zoe!  I hope you are dreaming by now and it's well bandaged.  Heal quickly.

If you want a distraction and a good laugh, get the movie "Mauvais Esprit".  It´s a chortle.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 06:41:56 PM EST
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thank you.  I'll have a look for it
by zoe on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 06:49:26 PM EST
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Abruptly from about a week ago, when I was leaving my computer 'relatively' idle (say reading a page and scrolling down it, or just moving around graphical modules in a program), the hard disk would spin down. Spin-up, of course, froze everything for a second, which was really (not) funny when I had music on.

I looked in the BIOS, nothing. I haven't changed any settings anyway, and didn't download any big software. I even took off the hood, to look if there is a visible hardware problem.

Then I found an internet page advising people to re-set a silly default Windows setting that spins down the HDD after 3 minutes of idling to save energy (as if spin-up weren't eating energy).

What I wonder about is: why did this become a problem only now? Has an automatic update made Windows more efficient, using the swap file less? Or the opposite, did they fuck up the way th program recognises idling?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:55:46 PM EST
If it's microsoft I wouldn't rule out malice.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 02:57:49 PM EST
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Evere since I started using a Mac program called Little Snitch which alerts you to programs calling out, I've been amazed at how much unbiddden traffic is attempted. MS programs, so I understand, can find unlicensed programs on the local network and slip in 4 faults for jumping the fence.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:19:19 PM EST
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I use Zone Alarm as a firewall for windows. When an application wants to send / receive from the internet, it queries you with a yes /no (and you can save settings, of course). Along with stopping malware (not a problem for me anymore, thankfully) I use to it prevent windows media player from reporting back to MS what I am watching (and it does do that for every file you play with it, and as such I normally use VLC instead).

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:48:47 PM EST
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I'm always a little dubious about zone alarm since one of their versions was found to be reporting to Israel a few years ago

ZoneAlarm phones home, Apple throws Intel a bone | InfoWorld | Column | 2006-01-13 | By Robert X. Cringely®

A Perfect Spy? It seems that ZoneAlarm Security Suite has been phoning home, even when told not to. Last fall, InfoWorld Senior Contributing Editor James Borck discovered ZA 6.0 was surreptitiously sending encrypted data back to four different servers, despite disabling all of the suite's communications options. Zone Labs denied the flaw for nearly two months, then eventually chalked it up to a "bug" in the software -- even though instructions to contact the servers were set out in the program's XML code.


If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 05:33:09 PM EST
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Christ. Maybe I should just stick with Ubuntu.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 05:50:00 PM EST
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but then again I don't really trust any windows software firewall, If it's not built into hardware or isn't open source based I wouldn't touch it with yours.

(personally I rely on the firewall built into my wireless router, it's as good as anything you'll find on windows, and if they're going to crack that then they'llblow through anything that your windows desktop can support Windows free softwares only successfull function is the upgrade advertising it bombards you with).

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 05:57:30 PM EST
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Eh, hardware can be compromised just as easily.

I think the lesson here is that unless you know how to analyze internet traffic, you're at high risk for having your computer security compromised.

I'll have to check out the latest and greatest, I guess.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 06:04:10 PM EST
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oh yes, suspect everything, trust nothing, and watch out for the odd and unusual.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 06:19:57 PM EST
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From my own experience, firefox + noscript handle 95% of malware / spyware attempts I encounter, and the rest are dealt with by the firewall.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 06:30:33 PM EST
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After 65 years the fascists are back in charge. If you want to look at complete fuckwits- many are taxi drivers- doing their fascist salutes, have a look here.

I hope these pictures frontpage throughout the world tomorrow.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 04:58:21 PM EST
Sympathy, commiseration... It's really bad news.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 05:09:30 PM EST
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Sigh...

By the way, surely you have seen this already:



*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 05:16:43 PM EST
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This is up on YouTube in several versions, and in the comments of all of them, I see several fascist propaganda warriors are shouting "fake - communist propaganda!"

(If the source is right, it's the trailer of the film Bye Bye Berlusconi with an actor.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 05:33:22 PM EST
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I've always known it as real. It's perfectly in keeping with the character-

-As well as denying it. Berlusconi always denies what he said- and has tapes censured for consumption of his grovelling mignons.

Not bad is Juncker patting him on the back of his head as he pretends to be a serious statesman. For that alone, Juncker should be our first European president.


by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 06:31:55 PM EST
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Precious...

I checked again, according to this SPIEGEL article, the policewoman-assaulting video was one of three fake caught-on-camera scenes filmed for the trailer of the German satire Bye Bye Berlusconi from 2006. One of the other two was actually used (in which B. picks his nose in a restaurant), but all three ended up on the web, allegedly without knowledge of the filmmakers...

The story of the film is interesting, too: it was supposed to be a satire about Berlusconi directly (played by one Maurizio Antonini), with the story that terrorists kidnap B to stage a trial for him for all the crimes he evaded punishment for in real courts. But B's lawyers intervened. So they simply changed names: B became Topolino, mayor of Entenhausen ( = Duckville).

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue Apr 29th, 2008 at 03:22:06 AM EST
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I've had a night prowling the deapths of youtube and came across this little gem



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 05:50:01 PM EST
I think he played it at the wrong speed...

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.
by Ephemera on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 06:17:21 PM EST
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it would be just like him...

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 06:21:37 PM EST
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Having gone there It lead me down a trail of youthfull and childish nostalgia to



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 06:28:10 PM EST
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Why don´t they leave the horses out of it! Cowards!

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 07:02:17 PM EST
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Well one thing that happened that day was that the South African embassy was being cleaned,and was covered in scaffolding. An adventurous individual managed to build an incendury device from cleaning materials left by the cleaners, climbed the side and heaved it through a window. setting a room alight. (strangely this didn't make the papers at the time) cue much activity by the servants of the regieme who managed to extinguish the problem. The miscreant was leapt upon by the police and beaten quite badly in a van before being hauled off the station. When It came to court, even though the police had the entire sequence of public events on film, it turned out that they had made a blunder in the recording of the evidence and the Judge discharged him with no case to answer. Following on from this, having been found not guilty he took the police to court for assult and was paid in the region of £20,000. The inspector who delivered the check delivered it with the warning that he had best leave london, as if he didn't he was to be almost permanently followed by the brave boys in blue till they had arreested him for enough to make up for it in their eyes.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 07:40:17 PM EST
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'In the future all records will be made to sound equally good no matter what speed they're played at.' - John Peel (or thereabouts)

Sadly, it was only a couple of years before he died when I finally understood what he was all about, so I don't have a long listener relationship like some people. But I do remember him playing an inordinate amount of records at the wrong speed.

Him and Mark and Lard were the best things on Radio 1 (if that doesn't sound too much like your granddad complaining about the gold old days).

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.

by Ephemera on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 06:43:13 PM EST
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not to sound smug, but I remember listening  to him under the bedclothes as punk exploded onto the airwaves in my schooldays, when we used to get him four nights a week.

it was a university of (not so) popular music.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 06:49:06 PM EST
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Be smug! If I had lived that, I would boast about it, for sure.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.
by Ephemera on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 07:00:32 PM EST
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 06:45:41 PM EST
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Having been born and bred in the countryside, I would not only agree with pretty much everything this song says, but go further to say that British people are pretty much demented when it comes to everything countryside. Neither side seems to have much of a clue.

(Oh yeah, and on the fox-hunting thing, the the young man on the left is my great-great-great-great grandfather, and the old fellow on the right is my great-great-great-great-great grandfather (in all probability). Neat, huh?)

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.

by Ephemera on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 07:14:20 PM EST
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well living in the countryside myself, I've had the odd encounter with the local hunt. which I think I've mentioned on here before.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 07:29:34 PM EST
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This is the one that got me way back when, it was the B side of a Crass single.

There's a song from Hex, Ideologically Unsound (can't find it on youtube), the album was to be played at 45 rpm but I didn't realise so I played it at 33 rpm, thought it was a great track, then I realised and played it at 45 rpm, thought it was different and just as good.

Did I say the same thing happened to me with Song to the Siren by This Mortal Coil?  I still prefer the slow version--so much atmosphere!

And being (looking back) a non-political animal (somehow politics becomes the art of finding enemies--or that's what it becomes for me), hey, here's an intriguing interview, sure I've posted it before, but hey--

This is the song from about those times that I played thirty five times in a row.



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 07:55:21 PM EST
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calling barcelona ETers...

are there shuttles between girona airport and el prat, and how far are they away from each other?

googling to no avail...

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 at 07:39:46 PM EST


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