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LQD Italy: Between Anarchy and Servility

by melo
Tue Apr 29th, 2008 at 05:29:08 AM EST

Some interesting commentary on Italy, written just pre-election.

First the writer, Gaither Stewart, some background:

Originally from Asheville, NC, Gaither Stewart has lived most of his life in Europe, chiefly in Germany and Italy. For many years he was the Italian correspondent for the Dutch daily, Algemeen Dagblad, while writing for many publications in various countries. Since leaving journalism he has been writing fiction full time. His work has appeared in a number of literary publications, including The Paumanok Review, Critique, Linnaean Street Literary Review, Crossconnect, East of the Web, The Southern Cross Review, EWGPresents, The Tower of Babel, and Ceteris Paribus. He lives with his wife Milena in the hills of north Rome.

Gaither Stewart's blog | The Daily Scare

A peculiar dualism marks the peoples of the Italian peninsula: the conflict of their enduring desire for order with their destructive attraction to anarchy. The consequence of this unresolved twist of character has been Italy's historical stumbling block: the necessity of some strong-armed authority--whether a homegrown dictator or a powerful foreign occupier--to provide the cement to form a cohesive nation of the diverse Italic peoples. And today ... to make them feel more like other Europeans. 

Similar to Italy's permissive attitude toward Fascism last century, many Italians today perceive of the Right led by Silvio Berlusconi and a nucleus of neo-Fascists as a protective shield against the persistent perverse disorder. In effect, protection from themselves. Promises of security and more security, police and more police, are reassuring to those who see today's enemy in immigrants and crime and above all rules. 


Italy: Between Anarchy and Servility | The Daily Scare

When at home a powerful authority to control their inclination toward anarchy is missing, some form of escapism--at which Italians are masters--and servility to a higher power from elsewhere reign. Since Italy somehow continues to exist as a modern European nation this formula implies that the suggestive idea of salvation in escapism and servility have surpassed--if only by a hair's breadth--the deep-seated emotional intensity of their atavistic anarchic bent. 

However that may be, the historic reliance on extraneous authority has left a mark of servility on them. A perverse stain. The servility that reaches back to the roots of these peninsular peoples today smacks of that of a colonial people, extremely sensitive to what foreigners think of them, afraid they are not esteemed abroad. 

At the same time, perhaps also atavistically, Italians are forever in fear of the foreign invader of this land where the lemon trees bloom, jutting out from the Alps toward Africa.

Anarchy

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Italy: Between Anarchy and Servility | The Daily Scare

Modern Italy we know today is the end result of two and a half millennia of rule by monarchy, republic and city-states, of foreign invasions and occupation (Greeks and Arabs, Huns and Vandals, Normans, Austrians, Spanish, French and Germans), and of the domination of the Roman Catholic Church and Fascism. That long and complex history counts. For Italy is a country of many peoples, historically not a nation. Peoples speaking Neapolitan, Sicilian, Catalan, Sardinian, Venetian, Friulian--yes, they count as languages--plus many dialects, and German, French, Greek and Slovene. Peoples who are never in agreement on anything, perhaps because they still do not understand each other. 

An ethnic and political potpourri made for anarchy. 

A country surrounded by the sea and the Alps. 

A country of peoples fearful of foreign invasions, yet servile because of their need of foreigners to defend them against their own divisions. 

In the times of the "lean cows," (vacche magre) as Italians called the bad times in the Dark Ages, not cows but sheep grazed in the Roman Forum and no more than thirty thousand people lived in the former Caput Mundi which fifteen centuries earlier had counted one million inhabitants. From world city to grazing pastures and back again to world capital today. A city in movement. Movida! Probably no other world city has experienced the ups and downs as has the "eternal city"--power and glory, brilliance and invasions, sackings and pestilence. A historical rocking chair of a people absorbed with gods and deities, spirits and ghosts, rites and rituals, kingdoms and empires, and all the religions of Middle Eastern origin, forever wavering between anarchy and submission and servility.

Little wonder then that its people are individualistic and wary and suspicious of authority, albeit accommodating and ready for compromise for short-term gain ... or for survival. Each person is an entity. Each, a microcosm. One result of the divisions reigning since the start 2700 years ago is the political-social apathy and lack of civic spirit that degenerate so easily into anarchy. 

As a rule, Italians oppose rules. This might appear as a reckless generalization but their hate for rules is proverbial. Yet, they don't like to risk. Social mobility is limited. A steady lifetime job is the dream of most. Someone said Italy is afflicted with listless passions. Torn by sterile emotions. Angry by default. A country of unresolved problems, incomplete governments, eternal emergences, eternal transitions. 

Italians of today demanded new elections, aware that the vote will change nothing. Despite enormous garbage disposal problems, the majority of Italians pay three times as much for trash collection and run related health risks rather than submit to the humiliation of trash separation. Italians shake their heads, tsk tsk, at the news of a million euro bank holdup. But they admire the robbers--"they did well!"--and oppose the police. Italian films in which the police are the good guys somehow seem false. You watch a police film and side with those who in some way thwart authority. Italians understand reality and without complaint pay bribes in the usual bribery places ... and they know which they are. Without popular consensus organized crime as a way of life could not exist. The success of the Camorra in Naples, the N'drangheta in Calabria, the Sicilian Mafia in the world at large and "most wanted mafia bosses" living freely in the center of Palermo for 30 years exists on the back of popular indifference always verging on anarchy.

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Natalia Ginzburg's wonderful writings are filled with the kind of craziness distinguishing "Italian" anarchy. The Turin writer said she would walk a mile to see the Tuscan cabaretist and female impersonator, Paolo Poli, on stage surrounded by boys dressed as women, women dressed as men, gypsy dances, babies born in wine shops, wives betrayed and buried alive, amid which Poli, perhaps dressed as a Cardinal, suddenly sings the old fascist song, Giovinezza, in a way that made him the opposite of Fascism. There is always a streak of madness in her. As her mother says in Ginzburg's best known book, Lessico Famigliare (Family Sayings), when father and brother Gino are released from jail: "And now back to the boredom of everyday life." Ginzburg once told me that she fears above all boredom--being bored or boring others. Fear of boredom is a very Italian concept that fits in nicely with their preference for anarchy.

Sigh, this is why they booted out prodi, who apparently had halved the national debt in two years...he was boring...

Bangs head on keyboard.

Now for the hardware...

Italy: Between Anarchy and Servility | The Daily Scare

This time, the two big parties have presented similar platforms. They seem to resemble each other, the allegedly leftish Democratic Party (named, ironically I hope, for the American party and only very slightly center-left) and the new-old rightwing People of Freedom Party of TV magnate Silvio Berlusconi (Silvio believes he has the same monopoly on freedom as his "friend George" has on God), a union of neo-Fascists and populists, Most people believe the two parties are in cahoots to form a Grosse Koalition, (the German words are popular in Italy today), no matter who wins. 

In any case, it would be a coalition all'italiana. Each party promises to change Italy. People believe that the real aim of both is "to change things so that nothing changes." Consequently the real electoral campaign is taking place between the small parties: all fire and fury, accusations and counter-accusations, defections and new alliances, among miniscule parties whose chief hope is at least survival in the next Parliament.

Servility

In true capitalist fashion, Italian capitalists are among the first to leap onto each new cheap labor market: today, for example, tens of thousands of companies have moved to Romania and Albania. However, the historical reality that Italy is no less a capitalist-imperialistic power than the USA and the rest of West Europe does not diminish its own colonial-like servility. 

One bitter reality among many is that in the sixty years since WWII Italy has been transformed into a giant American aircraft carrier and military base. A year ago news leaked out about a secret agreement between the USA and Italy's then Berlusconi government according to which a new military base would be built in the north Italian city of Vicenza, just across town from an already existing US base, Camp Ederle. The new installation is rising today on the site of the city's small civic airport, Dal Molin. It is to become imperial America's biggest military base in Europe. In a small, densely populated country that already hosts over one hundred American military installations, another base is the cup that runneth over. 

Those who know Italy can imagine the situation in the medieval city of Vicenza, one hundred and twenty thousand people, situated between Verona and Venice, an area already surrounded by major US airbases and military installations. A UNESCO world heritage city because of the great number of buildings designed by the sixteenth century architect Andrea Palladio, the placid city at the foot of the Alps has hosted the American Ederle base since 1946, with today 2900 active duty military personnel, plus their families. The new base will not be NEAR Vicenza, but IN Vicenza. Less than a mile from Palladio's famous church in the central Piazza dei Signori. Plans provide for groups of six and seven-story barracks right in the city and a new express road cutting through the city to link the two bases. 

The 173rd Airborne Brigade, a crack rapid action unit ready for action anyplace in the world, now divided between Germany and Italy, is to be united in Vicenza. Its paratroopers were among the first troops in the Iraqi war. Their arrival will bring the number of American military personnel in Vicenza to five thousand, 15,000 people counting families and Pentagon and State Department personnel. That is equal to over ten per cent of the city population. 

Residents worry that the new base will make Vicenza a target for terrorist attacks. Workers testify that inside the Ederle base bunkers have been dug in the side of an urban hill that borders it. Local people believe those caves contain nuclear weapons. The civic airfield under US control can be extended to accommodate big aircraft for transporting troops to war zones to the east or for top-secret CIA night-flyers transporting terrorist suspects around the world for secret interrogations and torture. Workers on construction sites for the US military describe underground interrogation rooms. Besides noise and air pollution, the new base will strain the infrastructures, services and resources of a small city, while offering nothing to the community or the local economy. 

Despite the opposition's signature campaigns, traffic blocks, sit-ins, and night vigils, construction goes on. "It is not just the American base," protesters say. "It's that bomber aircraft will fly directly from this base to intervene in countries where America's wars are raging." The charge of the opposition in Vicenza is the same charge that has echoed over the years: Italian servility to Washington. 

More US soldiers are currently active on Italian soil than at any other time since the end of the Second World War. Since the creation of NATO in 1949 and Italy's adherence (then fiercely opposed by the Left and Fascists alike, but promoted by US financed Christian Democracy) and the installation in subservient Italy of military bases up and down the peninsula, US military presence in Italy has grown to the official figure of 13,000. Now the Dal Molin base facilitates the strategic reorganization of American war forces in Italy. Charges are that the Pentagon is realigning its troop levels in Europe in preparation for an attack on Iran. The aircraft carrier USS Italy would play an important role. Accordingly, by the year 2010 the Vicenza base is to become the most important base for US military deployments in Europe, the Middle East and Africa. Other US military bases in Italy include Camp Darby near Pisa, which is to be doubled in size, and Sigonella air base in Sicily, the US Naval bases at Gaeta, Taranto and Naples. The US Air Force base of Aviano at the foot of the Dolomites (from where America in the guise of NATO unleashed its bombers against Belgrade in the Balkan War in the 1990s for the final crushing of my beloved Yugoslavia!), lies only a hundred kilometers from Vicenza and where, according to the Rome newspaper Il manifesto the US has stockpiled at least fifty tactical nuclear bombs.

When bulldozers began construction work at Dal Molin, Silvio Berlusconi, the most servile of all Italian politicians, in imitation of America's neocons labeled protest movements "anti-American". With Berlusconi favored to be re-elected in April, the total conversion of Italy to a US-NATO outpost will be complete. Italy had its chance to withdraw from NATO when De Gaulle's France did in 1966 but by then Italy was under sway of the US and the Christian Democratic Party that governed for over four decades. In theory it could have changed its relationship with NATO on the breakup of the USSR in 1989. But no government could nor dared take the step. Italy had become a colony. It's easy to envision an Italy and Italians something like India and Indians under British imperial rule. 

Though some observers regarded Italy's military withdrawal from Iraq last year as the revolt of the vassals, it was only a minor deviation. The French had refused Iraq firmly. The Spanish withdrew from Iraq defiantly. Italy's then Center Left government spoke briefly of "a new course" in Rome-Washington relations. But not for long. The reality is that as a rule US dependent Italy is bullied into America's wars. Meanwhile, CIA agents roam around the country abducting terrorist suspects and the US military build-up continues. And fresh Italian troops leave for Afghanistan. 

But Afghanistan is another story. Like Americans, Italians too have short memories, especially about their servility. 

And the software...

The Roman Catholic Church is doubtless one of the most noxious occupiers of Italy and most powerful authorities over Italians. When other powers are absent the Church is there. When other powers are present the Church goes to war. The Church that survives on alms, that only takes and never gives, has always been a gangrene for Italy. The Church is both cause and effect of the traditional dualism of Italians of yesterday and today: their innate anarchy and their servile tendencies. 

The evangelical mission of the Roman Church has made of Italians a careless band of blind believers--in word only however, not in practice. For in reality Italy is a country of "technical Catholics", as Rome sociologist Franco Ferrarotti calls his fellow countrymen. Though the spurious nature of their faith abets them, Italians are instead the chief victims of their Church. 

Though formally deprived of its temporal power and its extensive territories since Italy's unification in 1861, the Roman Church continues to interfere in Italian political affairs today (more than in the Spain of Zapatero where a chasm divides Church and State and where the Catholic Church is always in attack mode). 

Denying the obvious and boasting of its "rights" to do so, the Roman Church exhorts Catholic parliamentarians to vote down every idea of modernity and social change. No, to divorce! No, to abortion! No, to any kind of euthanasia! No, to stem cell research or experimental scientific research in general! No, to gay rights of any kind! The Church rules against any and all deviations from its orthodoxy. 

Moreover, in its hubris, in its battle against modernity, the Church is no longer satisfied with only spiritual power.

Religious historians instruct that the Catholic Church has had two souls since the birth of Christianity: a church of the persecuted on one hand, and a church of persecutors of other religions on the other, a church of Christ and a church of the Pope. The first is described as universal in its mission of charity and love, distant from concerns of secular power. The second is authoritarian, of a pre-modern mentality, and a hierarchical, absolutist organization ... that was permissive of Fascism. It is an organization of a privileged bureaucratic-theological apparatus, with at its head a figure dressed in medieval costumes, surrounded by prelates dressed like medieval princes in total obedience to the sovereign. The duality of their church reflects again the dual nature of the first ring of its adherents, the Italians.

Secular Italians cite the proximity of the Vatican as the source of many of Italy's woes. This age-old influence has only been overcome on the rare occasions of a pope of high spirituality and a strong anti-authoritarian mentality. This is not the case of today's Pope, Benedict XVI, the German-Bavarian, conservative-reactionary, Joseph Ratzinger. Today, a century and a half since Italy was "liberated" from the Church's temporal power, the continuing submission to the dictates of that Church reflects the servility aspect of Italian dualism. 

A recent rally on St. Peter's Square called by the Vicar of Rome, Cardinal Camillo Ruini, became a veritable electoral manifestation, underlining the Church's eternal interference in Italian politics. Hardly a day passes that the Roman Church does not issue a ruling on secular issues. The history of Italy is closely intertwined with that of the Roman Church. In no other country has this link been as powerful, simply because Rome hosts the Pope and the Vatican. The Roman Church's influence on Italy has been largely negative, a hindrance to its social development and independence.

Pope Benedict XVI himself recently celebrated a mass in the Sistine Chapel under the oblivious Michelangelo fresco masterpieces. His mass in the old liturgical rite is emblematic of the U-turn "his Church" is inflicting on Italy. The Pope spoke in Latin, with his back to the worshippers. A holy mass administered by a priest hidden from the worshippers and speaking in a language they don't understand has the intent of underlining the mystery of the transformation of the wine and bread into the blood and body of Jesus Christ. His message is that there is no salvation without the intervention of the priesthood and the Church's mediation between man and God.

To underline his demand for submission, last November Pope Ratzinger appeared at an assembly of prelates wearing the mitre of the ultra-conservative, 19th century Pope Pio IX, the Pope who execrated freedom of conscience, religious freedom and imposed the dogma of papal infallibility on his priests with his foot literally at their throats. Ratzinger instead portrays Pope Pio as "indomitable and courageous in his battle against secularization."

This Pope, Benedict XVI, is the shining emblem of today's retrograde Church demanding total submission of its adherents. 

Secular observers believe that the answer to the riddle of why this outdated Church continues to exist lies in the fundamental Italian nature of the Papacy. Of 266 popes in the history of the Roman Church, only 22 were not Italian. The popes are Italian. The Church is Italian. This Italian nature of the dualistic Church reflects also the reluctance of Italy to accept wholeheartedly the concept of the liberal, secular state in Europe. And again, it reflects Italy's age-old dualism: unity and disunity of believers and cynics alike, servility and anarchy. These technical Catholics who seldom set foot in a church except for funerals or christenings are none the less professed Christians, uncertain as to whether Protestants are also Christians. 

But by no means should the technical nature of Italian Catholicism or secular resistance to the Roman Catholic Church be construed as an attack on Christianity. Not at all. Italy is the number one defender of Christianity as the basis of European culture.

The reality is that Italians, in the sense of this article, are servile toward the Roman Catholic Church. From a secular point of view, far from finding solace and redemption in their Church's presence, they suffer from its ubiquity and its invasion in their lives. Perhaps it's corrupt, but it's our Church! You don't have to the live in Rome long to begin perceiving the subservience of even the extreme Left to today's reactionary Church: even declared atheists pay their respects to it.

I have purposely underlined the Church-State relationship because I believe it is one of the cornerstones of the traditional tendency toward servility of the Italian peoples.

Getting dizzy yet?

And to round it all off..

Italy: Between Anarchy and Servility | The Daily Scare

Return to Anarchy

The outgoing Center Left government of ex-EU President, middle-of-the-road Romano Prodi failed miserably to change anything for the better. Much more Center than Left, the main body of the coalition and the opposition alike blame the Communist Left component of the outgoing government, called the Radical Left, for its pitiful showing. The Left instead charges the dissension among the major coalition partners of the Center for the disaster. 

Today the Left is running alone, hoping for at least 8% of the vote! That's what remains of the Italian Communist Party that once boasted one-third of the Italian electorate. The Left has put aside frivolous faith in a swing of the electorate to the left, as in the days when the traitor Tony Blair was the darling and model of the Italian Left. A modest goal indeed! A goal reflecting Center-oriented, bourgeois Italy, where the Left could never--not even if Antonio Gramsci himself were to return--head a government. Unfortunately that is not only an Italian reality. 

Today, in imitation of the USA, yes, really! the (Italian) Democratic Party and Berlusconi's People of Freedom Party are aiming at a two-party system for Italy, in the elusive hope of making Italians magically controllable and governable. But no one is deluded. One party, two parties, multiple parties will make no difference whatsoever. The "caste" has no intention of changing anything. Not even the political Left which is part of the reigning system seems to desire radical change. I fear that criticism of the exportation of jobs, the precarious nature of a growing number of jobs and low workers' salaries is chiefly electoral propaganda. Instead, Italian capitalism, step by rapid step, is creating a safe aerie for its political caste, already cut off from the rest of the people.

The people! One third of the people are disoriented. They don't understand. They are misinformed, under-informed. They want to believe that the victory of the Democratic Party or Berlusconi's Freedom Party will make a difference. The Center Left flop left the people disappointed, disgusted and disoriented as did the failure of the Right government of Berlusconi before it. Probably a majority of Italians are disgusted with the current system. Yet, a Grosse Koalition between the two parties would widen even more the chasm between the political class on its mountaintop and the people in nowhereland. 

People sense that any achievable change will only favor the church of the political caste. The mass of Italian society seems destined to continue rambling around in the classic niche of escapism, ready to drop back into anarchy. Either the society described by Dostoevsky in The Legend of the Grand Inquisitor, a society of basics, of aimless, non-participatory, uninvolved people reduced to a life of simple pleasures and a bit of sinning. Or, on the other hand, just beyond, a dual society of the caste operating for itself and the people forced into anarchy. 

Despite the binds of the European Union, Italy is experiencing a gray, seemingly hopeless, yet potentially explosive situation. A situation which could spawn dreadful and unexpected alternatives. In such a stall, with the isolated government on one side of the chasm and an anarchic people on the other, anything at all could happen.

The official website of Berlusconi's party not long ago posted the following appeal to the party from the hard line segment of the party: "Argentina is a teacher. Take over power, even against the Constitution, stop talking, otherwise the parasites will continue to grow, act! We don't need elections. We need strong action." 

Italian society in this precise moment brings to mind the society portrayed by Dostoevsky in The Possessed--a nation morphing from widespread socio-political frustration toward anarchy and nihilism. 

If it is true that today a good European--that is, a citizen of the European Union--must be an anti-nationalist, it is also true that a good Italian must be less servile and committed to freeing Italy from the greedy claws of US imperialism and the messianism that some Europeans believe Americans inherited from their puritan ancestors. The good Italian of the new millennium will most certainly have to be more internationalist.

Here's hoping some of you all find this analysis interesting, and it will lead to a good discussion...

Peace out, melo

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Excellent grasp of Italian affairs. I was not aware of Gaither Stewart. Thanks for this introduction.

In Vicenza yesterday the No Dal Molin coalition won. I hope to see them stop this utter madness of building a base there. But there really is nothing to do against might.

A small note. NATO and American forces have been relocating in Italy since the Seventies as if the shift were in long term prospective of war in the South and East.  Italy is not an outpost, but the heart of this military strategy. In the past the fascist masses were very anti-American, while the revolutionary subversive fascists worked hand in hand with American groups. Before Comiso became a Cruise base under Carter, the territory was controlled foot by foot by Delle Chiaie and his cohorts. Delle Chiaie went on to having operative roles throughout South America during the Seventies, ostensibly at large.

As for the pair Anarchy-Servilism, I would suggest the optic of Familism-Dissimulation as a "strong" factor in Italian inter-relations. It is counter posed to the rule of law and institutions born of Illuminism. I don't think the average Italian as an anarchist strictu sensu but more afflicted with familism, qualunquismo and dissimulation. The driving motivation is selfish charity a strong force in Catholic corporatism and despotism. Selfish charity allows that one only looks after the  immediate well being of those closest in his social-economic environment, get pay-offs for that behaviour by rising in status and maintain the status quo as is through the exchange of selfish charity.

Qualunquismo refers to a reactionary movement at the beginning of the Republic based on the idea of Mr. Everyman, the average guy and his uninformed populist opinions. It then changed over time to mean "anything goes," a general idea of matters and events as being beyond the power or interest to effect change "because they're all alike and it's too complicated." Qualunquismo is the porch of despotism. It's the admission that one hasn't the power to act as a responsible citizen and that it would be just as good to let a strong man govern.

Dissimulation is a classic approach to relations raised to an art form under the authoritarian regimes in Europe during the Renaissance and the Baroque period. From the astuteness of Ulysses, his famed polimetis that made of him a "no-man," to the complexity of court life, dissimulation has always been of vital necessity. Because of its history, the Italian peninsula has made dissimulation a second nature. By it's very definition, unchecked dissimulation is anti-democratic.

Beyond all this, welcome to the coming war against Iran, false dossiers generously offered on the house.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Tue Apr 29th, 2008 at 07:36:19 AM EST
thanks, de Gondi, for more of this excellent background.

i'm glad you enjoyed stewart, here is more of his work

ITALY, ITALIANS AND SILVIO BERLUSCONI-- A CASE OF ANYTHING FOR POWER

One reason Italians continue to vote for Berlusconi is his apparent lack of any kind of ideology. People are tired of political squabbles and the crowd of little men thronging for power. They like Silvio's presentation of himself as someone from outside politics even though he brags that he entered politics ... to save Italy. Not only did he enter the Rome political world, but he has also penetrated into every nook and cranny of the world of power. Silvio is always ready to bond with anyone, Fascists or mafia or the infamous P2 Masonic Lodge, and to the astonishment of some and the amusement of others, simultaneously with "my friend George" and "my friend Vladimir" as he called the two international leaders he preferred. No sacrifice has ever been too great for Berlusconi, no discrepancy too outrageous. He probably did utter during his sleepless nights or on his world travels in his private plane his version of the famous words of that French king that also "Roma vale bene una messa."

the whole article is a good explanation of our dear leader, and his tactics.

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Apr 29th, 2008 at 07:59:52 AM EST
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People believe that the real aim of both is "to change things so that nothing changes."

The ultimate chilling idea--reminded me of Sciascia, it must be the quote his quote marks refer to:

Nel romanzo "Il gattopardo" è il giovane e sveglio Tancredi il primo a capire che neanche l'unità d'Italia sarebbe riuscita a portare dei cambiamenti in una terra immobile come la Sicilia; di fronte alla risposta dello zio Fabrizio, il principe di Salina, alla notizia che il nipote va a combattere al fianco dei garibaldini ("Sei un pazzo figlio mio! Andarsi a mettere con quella gente! Sono tutti mafiosi e imbroglioni. Un Falconeri dev'essere con noi, per il Re.") ribatte convinto: "Se non ci siamo anche noi quelli ti combinano la repubblica. Se vogliamo che tutto rimanga come è, bisogna che tutto cambi. Mi sono spiegato?"

(my translation of the bold: "If we want everything to stay just as it is, everything needs to change.  Okay?")

"If you want to keep the same position as always, be ready to change everything"--be prepared to change concrete into sinking sand if it maintains your position--change your vote, your allegiance...turn your entire existence upside down and inside out such that you maintain that existence--

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Tue Apr 29th, 2008 at 08:22:14 AM EST
It's a national oxymore. Change everything so that nothing changes. That's what Berlusconi is all about, although his vision of Italy has been the same since he was nine years old.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Tue Apr 29th, 2008 at 08:39:22 AM EST
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I was talking to a retired medical doctor last week. He said, "Berlusconi, he's a winner, isn't he."  By this he essentially meant "there is no significance to politics, but it's fun to watch the horse race. Silvio will make a great stud when he retires."

On the other hand, if I judge by graffiti, leaflets, and general attitudes, the Italians seem to be ready for a huge jump to the Left. I don't like to rely on socio/psychological explanations, but in Italy they may be all that one can use to characterize the situation.

paul spencer

by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Wed Apr 30th, 2008 at 04:39:41 PM EST
you're welcome, paul.

in contrast to the last election, there were more posters out for the left than the right around that i saw too.

the right didn't bother too much, they knew they'd got it in hand this time...

the economy is really squeezing the people, and they want distraction, the preening figure of berlusconi appeals to their sense of drama.

i'm starting to think that veltroni was pretty much a stooge, anyway.

and the fix was in...

i'm not alone in speculating the rubbish scandal was engineered with the mafia to bring down prodi, it was just too convenient.

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Apr 30th, 2008 at 08:54:07 PM EST
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You'd better take another look at The Serpent's Egg. :-(

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 07:23:01 AM EST
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Thanks to Melo and De Gondi, my head swims with new information and insights. And now---a third great source.
Gaither Stewart. I will not fail to read more.

First impression: Dissimulation as a central cultural element.

-- In the US we still need to believe the stories we tell ourselves, more or less.

-- It would appear that Italians have grown beyond this--progressed to a high degree of-- what? Pragmatism? Cynicism?

How can a culture function with a wholly fractured social compact, in which the rule of law, the framework that makes commerce or politics different than banditry, is a joke, a casual impediment? Of course, it can't.
In the US the general population has not yet tumbled to the fact that that is exactly the situation that is imminent, but it would appear that Italians already accept this state as -- what-- entertainment?
The church seems to have a circular relationship with authoritarianism-it survives by it, supports it, enforces it, and the political class epitomized by Berlusconi also manage their affairs in an analogous way- with a hierarchy of banditry and the distribution of favors and immunity. Another theological Mafia. Theoconservative state within a quasi-bandit state?
The Italian fascination with American power (and vice versa) makes a lot of sense seen in this light--but the colonial subjugation- almost infantilization- that has resulted would seem to be the death of Italian pride and self-image.

Even the forged Niger documents were incompetent.    
 

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 09:08:00 AM EST
'It would appear that Italians have grown beyond this--progressed to a high degree of-- what? Pragmatism? Cynicism?'

I'd say no, they have not grown to a higher degree of anything. Instead they have withered to the point of self-suffocation. I have known another Italy, at another time. The key word, I'd say, is 'appearances', complete self-deception.

by Quentin on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 09:24:42 AM EST
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-- It would appear that Italians have grown beyond this--progressed to a high degree of-- what? Pragmatism? Cynicism?

perhaps Realism, with the sur- prefix never far away...

comedia d'arte, opera buffa, there are clues right in the language.

The church seems to have a circular relationship with authoritarianism-it survives by it, supports it, enforces it, and the political class epitomized by Berlusconi also manage their affairs in an analogous way- with a hierarchy of banditry and the distribution of favors and immunity. Another theological Mafia. Theoconservative state within a quasi-bandit state?

now that's pragmatism!

the church dispenses koolaide, by the bucket, while behind the scenes  intrigue dances with denial, bizniz as usual.

in the north, bossi country, they do ambition, like their neighbours in switzerland, france and austria, it's about being a lean mean money machine, no mandolins.

in the south it's so hot it leads to boiled brain syndrome, and so not much in the way of organisation goes on, leaving those skills to the lowest common denominator.

it's so beautiful and tragic at the same time, you can see why people went slightly mad under the contrast... there's a sweet melancholy and passivity, a fatalistic streak that gets in the way of change.

'struggente' is what the italians say, when something is incredibly lovely and rips your guts out at the same time. there's something of that in the atmosphere south of rome, a broken beauty, evidenced in the vivid colours, smells and flavours, juxtaposed with a careless chaos and waste, jarring to behold, yet undeniably poetic...

cue mandolin...

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 11:24:23 AM EST
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Ivonne just heard your comment, and said, "He loves Italy a lot. He also knows Italy well."

I agree. How did this knowledge come to be so deep? Do I remember correctly that you too are an expat?

I know Italy only superficially. My tragedy- a lost treasure. Cinque Terre many times, Venice and Rome once, back in the days of legs.

In Monterroso Al Mare, we sat under one of those giant mushrooms, while the boy played in the playground- those wonderfully folding hydraulic umbrellas that rise up out of slots in the ground to magically expand, and provide shade and dining space for the patrons of a bistro. Obviously costly things, for a small bistro.
We were drinking frozen Grappa with the owner, and we asked (while we still could) about the cost. He said that he got a loan from a local communist Party co-op for it, and that it saved his business. He spoke with real venom about the "banker's mafia in Rome", and with real gratitude about the cooperative that made the loan.

To this day, I hunger to know more.

Thanks for a thoughtful reply.

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Fri May 2nd, 2008 at 02:56:51 AM EST
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 How did this knowledge come to be so deep? Do I remember correctly that you too are an expat?

thanks yvonne!

my mum was italian, my dad english, i was raised britstyle.

i feel like a baby in the deep end when it comes to understanding this country. that's why i'm such a de Gondi fan.

we used to come in the summer when i was a kid, so it's always been part of me, even when i lived the other side of the planet.

to try to understand this place would take several lifetimes, nothing is what it seems, and the anglo brain is a blunt tool when confronted with the level of nuance here.

it sounds like you felt that special something italy offers! it speaks to some people in ways that enables them to be patient with its foibles.

and without patience here, you are so terminally f++ked!

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri May 2nd, 2008 at 03:28:38 AM EST
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