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Talk Talk : Elegy and eulogy

by Helen
Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 at 10:05:51 AM EST

With any suddenly successful band, there is always the pressure of "how do we repeat that ?", a question that degenerates into the panic of "well, what do we do now, cos we can't repeat that ?".

It's the dilemma that faced Pink Floyd after "Dark side of the Moon" and RadioHead after "OK Computer". The former messed around with non-musical instruments for 18 months before they realised they were being silly and made Wish You were here instead. Or you could do as RadioHead did; try to sabotage their careers with a series of increasingly almost deliberately rambling anti-statements which availed them nothing but continued platinum status. Eventually they gave up and made "In Rainbows". Their virulently anti-corporate worldview makes and retains their counter-culture hero status, even when the music hasn't always justified it.

But there are other paths.


Talk Talk were a fairly anonymous band who came out of the early 80s post-punk electro-pop era where the cool sensibilities of David Sylvian/Japan melded with Kraftwerk-influenced rhythms. Duran Duran, Fashion & Depeche Mode were at the forefront of the movement, although an awful lot of pop music of the time nodded in the direction. There is little to say of the band's early career, for the simple reason that almost nothing stood out. Any person who could honestly say that they could foresee their subsequent success is either a liar or blessed with gifts Nostradamus would have envied.

That future arrived when they released "The Colour of Spring" and moved themselves into a different world. Mixing children's choirs, over-driven rock slide guitar coupled with Hollis' downbeat proto-Sylvian "oh well, if I have to..." vocal style, it wasn't so much genre-busting as creating an entirely new set of musical expressions. The music world sat up and took notice; Tim Hollis, a major talent had arrived. I know it's a cliche, but this is genuinely an album that would grace any collection. Powerful, sensitive and in places desperately beautiful, this is the work of a thoroughbred hitting his stride.

And so to the difficult "follow that" album. It is genuinely interesting to play the post-OK computer albums of RadioHead alongside the Talk talk albums to find two groups of people wrestling with similar problems and coming to utterly different conclusions. RadioHead went outward, wrestling with a corporate culture that was as parasitic as it was financially rewarding. Talk talk went inward to conjure forth their demons. Such choices may denied them fame and fortune, but theirs was a prophet's virtuous path into the stony desert. Unlike RadioHead, they didn't so much reject commercialism so much as they were too unworldy to notice the riches that were offered them.

Yet they were not unappreciated; it was common to hear sentiments from other bands of the time saying things like "Every band loves Talk talk; to be out there, doing what they do and still be successful. It just gives you hope"

If there is a binding alchemy behind the band, it is that Perfection is attained in the nature of imperfection : The precisely wrong thing will be transcendent. Even when the music becomes difficult, obscure and meandering, it's always webbed with gossamer-thin threads of golden inspiration, waiting to reward any listener willing to turn the cloth. There is a story that one recording session featuring  a children's choir created something so beautiful that all who heard it cried. Performers, writers, technicians; all were convinced that day had brought forth something that would live beyond them. So the band were distraught to discover the next morning that Hollis had returned to the studio at daybreak to erase all of the tapes of the previous day's work. Such perfection, in his eyes, made the spirit lazy.

One can hear this attitude exemplified in the song "Spirit", from the next album Spirit of Eden, where the melancholic beginning leads into a sustained organ chord that twists and writhes as if containing a demon, curled up in agony howling a voiceless primal scream that comes from the nameless numbing terrors only abyssal guilt and grief can form. You don't create such vapour through perfection, it is not such a moment; rather it is what it creates for the listener. Such ambience needs more than care. No longer desperately beautiful the pain evoked is instead beautifully desperate.

And so to the final album, Laughing Stock. Now no longer making music as a cry of desperation, Hollis evokes the satisfied resolve of a man about to create artistic suicide. Just the titles of the songs tell you this is the story of the artist's evolving feelings about his career; from the promise of "Myrrhman", the success in "Ascension Day", the anti-climax of "After the flood", the hangover of "Taphead", and the hope of "New grass" and now "Rune II".

Typically obtuse, it begins with a minute of silence, although if you listen carefully you can hear the hum of amplifiers. When the guitar eventually breaks in it sounds late and hesitant,  seemingly setting a tone of uncertainty;-

Place my chair at the backroom door
Help me up
I can't wait anymore

Yet this mood changes as the album continues, it evokes the feeling of a career that both disappointed yet illuminated; this was your time and yet time was never yours. At once waiting and invoking, both rite and mantra, the clash and discord, the beauty of the beast, the album is Hollis' almost shamanic journey towards inner resolution, he is making peace with this time of his life.

The final song's lyrics read;-

Well, aren't you suspect
In answer unread
meander context
so effortlessly blessed

and career-wise with that sign off, the Prophet smiled at his followers, stepped back from the dais, turned and with a look of absolute confident bliss, stepped into empty air.

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This was originally published as a comment in the Open Thread ; re-published here by popular request

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Great writing, Helen.  I don't know the music but you make me want to hear it.  You can't do better than that.

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 at 11:30:13 AM EST
To get a gist, you can watch a video from Spirit of Eden (I Believe in You) here :-)

You can also listen to the full album on last.fm. The Colour of Spring, too.

Adding, that you really need the CD or Vinyl Record.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 at 01:07:21 PM EST
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As I've said publicly many times in Finland - It is all luck. You never know before you start an album if it will work or not. I had no idea EVER that some of my productions would go platinum. I've felt a great buzz on some things that have disappeared without trace. I've felt five steps removed from things that have had enormous success. There is no formula.

I've been fortunate to be allowed to 'do my thing' (as a catalyst) on a huge range of music. But the only motivation has ever been to make the best of the conditions - which are always personal.

Your descriptions of music often imply an understanding or misunderstanding of where the audience is at. But in my experience this is never the case. There is always a complex dynamic between what the record company wants, the group interpersonals, the studio, the engineer, the producer and finally the sales people.

When all of these, like planets, are aligned, great things happen. But it is quite rare that these productions also produce commercial success.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 at 06:27:23 PM EST
Hmm, I'm not sure I think artists know where their audience is at, but I think I expect them to know where their audience isn't. But this returns to our conversations about Pink Floyd, where your revelations honestly amazed me.

I think Hollis wasn't aware his audience existed, let alone where they were or were not; that's the truth of it. It wasn't setting his face against the audience, it was more that he really had his own path he followed. I think the band kept him on planet earth, but once he walked away he just lost it cos his solo album was really out there. As I said, he stepped off into empty air

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 at 06:47:32 PM EST
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After many years in the music business I am probably quite cynical. I spent the evening talking about the art business with gallerists, artists, reviewers and collectors - and I am still of the same opinion: it is a market to be talked up and down, but the 'real artists' are basically constructing processes not artefacts.

How this fits into the asset versus credit-based system, I don't know....

Finland is maybe a special case. Even the greatest success can only add maybe 50 sq m to the house they buy or move them up to category 4 leasing cars.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 at 07:40:00 PM EST
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All art is an assertion of status. Sometimes it's justified by exceptional talent, sometimes it isn't.

The object is always to persuade people that what they're looking at mirrors their own exceptional taste, insight and sensitivity.

If you can sell that, you'll do well. Being able to paint a bit helps too, but seems to be tangential at least some of the time.

Being involved in a local arts scheme, it's obvious how perilously middle class and terrifyingly anal it can be, when everyone is being aspirational.

As for music - I have an eccentric theory that everyone who hears an album and feels a connection with it contributes to the vibe by means of time-reversed morphic voodoo. The artist and support staff are there to help this happen, not to direct it.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 at 10:49:00 PM EST
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Berger had an interesting theory of art as possession v art as being possessed - with a changeover occuring when art depended no longer on patrons, dukes, popes etc - say mid 19thC, though Hokusai was some 300 years earlier.

Art in whatever form, from dance to painting is rarely understood as an experience: it needs the literary context of explanation.

But basically I agree with you...

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Apr 5th, 2008 at 01:00:53 PM EST
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Nice music writing Helen.

When I was student I worked as a radio DJ and of course knew this group, they had a couple of hits in early 90s. It was interesting to know they continued to work as they disappeared from news for long.

by FarEasterner on Fri Apr 4th, 2008 at 06:55:39 AM EST
Many thanks Helen for this very nice post about Talk Talk & "The Colour of Spring".

I have no sons and daughters, but I have 8 nephews & nieces (between 16 and 32 years old).

All of them have a copy of "The Colour of Spring" given as a present, in times they were listening to silly things, trying to make them a little bit more sensitive.

I'm very pleased because 5 of them like it a lot.

Tkx

by kukute on Sat Apr 5th, 2008 at 05:05:03 PM EST
wow, that's brilliant. Well done.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Apr 6th, 2008 at 04:41:14 AM EST
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