THIS is a bit of what Obama would face. LQD

by geezer in Paris
Sun May 11th, 2008 at 03:30:14 AM EST

AP, Via MSNBC:
THERMAL, Calif. - At Las Palmitas Elementary School, nestled between rundown homes and fields of grapes, peppers and dates in Southern California, 99 percent of students live in poverty and fewer than 20 percent speak English fluently.

Las Palmitas and other schools in the Coachella Valley Unified School District are just the type policy makers had in mind when Congress passed the federal No Child Left Behind Act in 2001 to shed light on the disparities facing poor and minority children.

Sorry, --not true. The law was intended to punish those who failed--to yammer  after the loosers. The mostly non-white loosers.


updated 3:05 p.m. ET May 10, 2008

Nineteen of the district's 21 schools -- including Las Palmitas -- have not met the federal law's performance benchmarks for four years. Now the entire district faces sanctions for the first time.

"We have hardworking, dedicated, trained teachers like everybody else. They've got to teach a language, they've got to teach the content, and they've got to counter poverty," said Foch "Tut" Pensis, the district's superintendent. "We are the poster child for NCLB."

California has 97 school districts that failed to meet their goals under the law for four years, more than twice as many failing districts as any other state so far. Kentucky has the next highest number facing sanctions, with 47.

Nationwide, 411 school districts in 27 states now face intervention.
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Over the next few years, hundreds more districts are destined to enter the next phase that California already has begun. The state has ordered districts to undergo everything from reporting how they are implementing the federal law to having a team of specialists assess every aspect of their operations. In the most extreme cases, California districts could be subject to a state takeover.

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Many states already are losing revenue due to the sliding economy. California's budget deficit for the fiscal year that begins this summer is projected to be anywhere from $15 billion to $20 billion.

No Child Left Behind sought to shine a light on inequality in the nation's education system, where schools have been accused of setting lower expectations for poor and minority children. Nationwide, black and Hispanic students consistently lag behind their white and Asian peers in performance, a chasm referred to as the achievement gap.
(The same lie--say it often enough, and perhaps it will be believed)
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Sliding scale of punishment
U.S. Education Secretary Margaret Spellings says California is taking the right steps. It is the first state to take widespread action against all its districts that have failed to meet the achievement target set by No Child Left Behind.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and the state's elected Superintendent of Public Instruction, Jack O'Connell, proposed the sliding scale of punishment for the 97 districts -- which are responsible for educating nearly a third of California's 6.3 million students.

Their approach reserves severe measures, such as replacing administrators or a takeover by the state, for districts that have shown the least improvement.

"He is the first governor to kind of embrace this law, to take it on himself, to be acting for it, and in keeping completely with the spirit of No Child Left Behind," Spellings said in an interview.

By taking action now, California can collect $45 million from the federal government. The districts facing the most severe sanctions each will receive $250,000 in federal money to pay for intervention teams and to start following their suggestions.

Shortfall of qualified teachers
They will need to hire turnaround experts, new principals and coaches, and many more teachers to replace those judged to be ineffective. Where the districts will find those top-quality educators is unknown. California expects to face a shortage of as many as 100,000 qualified teachers in the next decade, even without changes to its existing school system.

"I think it's going to take leadership, commitment and expectations," she said. "It's just like with the kids: If you think you have a bunch of kids who can't get to grade level, that's what you have. If you think you have superstars, that's what you have."


I THINK I had breakfast, I THINK I had breakfast-- jeez! I'm not hungry anymore!

With half the black and Hispanic students in the country dropping out before graduation, anything less than aggressive action to turn around the failing districts is unacceptable, Spellings said. Under some of the states' current improvement plans, it would take some districts more than 100 years to bring students' reading and math skills to grade level.

"The accountability -- all the testing, all the data, all the stuff we do -- are meaningless unless we have real consequences for failure," Spellings said.

Once, not so long ago, California schools were the envy of the nation.
The central criticisms laid on NCLB (those that are reported by the media, occasionally) are that the testing used measures largely conformity and lock-step regurgitation, that the entire program and the testing itself fail to take into consideration the cultural and economic circumstances that the individual districts must cope with, and there is no carrot---only a big stick. A reasonable person might agree.

From a different point of view, the entire program can be looked at from two interesting perspectives. From the political one, it was a device to support and validate the bad idea of school vouchers, thereby punishing the schools in trouble by siphoning off the students who were more likely to succeed, leaving the disadvantaged kids without even a role model for success, no dough---and no political clout.
From a sociological point of view, one might see a deeper representation here- the definition, isolation and punishment of the "THEM".

In the eyes of many voters, these are Obama's cultural and ethnic roots, and peers.

America's ability to continue to ignore the ocean of victims produced by our dreams of empire depends on the maintenance of what Chomsky calls the "Unworthy Victim". Redefining most of the population of the world as "THEM" is a big part of how this is done. A huge part of our own population is, and has always been, "THEM". Hence travesties like this,--and our incredible prison population.
President Obama would shake the foundations of our definition of "THEM".
Bout Time.
--Long Shot.  

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This story has particular relevance for France- since France has made many of the same mistakes the US did--reliance on imported cheap labor and creation of ghettos for "them" to live in, more or less isolated from the "French" population. Here, mass transit has made it possible for them to live in the Banlieu, saving Paris, for example, from the death that results from a two-tier world stuck in the heart of the cities.

Out of sight--out of mind?

Though the communities they live in are vastly better than the American ghettos, the consequences will be the same, as are some of the racist motivations.

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 04:26:26 AM EST
Especially since the right wing has a passion about cutting the number of teachers, and getthoising the "bad" schools by making it easier for the good pupils to move to better schools. My sister is a music assistant in Lyons, and some of the elementary schools she teaches in have classes of 30 kids... How do you teach to 30 8 years old at once ? Quite impossible.

One good thing is that it is not so much out of sight as in the US - the lousy schools of the projects are regularly in the news ; since the education system is centralised, the cuts in budgets are quite uniform, and affect all but the best schools, unlike in the US. Also, teaching is quite attractive, despite quickly lowering wages and lousier work conditions : it would be possible to quickly increase the number of hires without ending up with bad teachers.

But it certainly won't get any better with Sarkozy at the helm.

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 05:11:52 AM EST
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30 is madness, yes.

Why is teaching still attractive here, despite deteriorating circumstances?

This is somewhat true in the US too- there are still a lot of idealistic young people, though it has to be tough these days.

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 07:04:45 AM EST
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30 is the standard in the UK - it is the maximum but most primary schools are operating at capacity.

Normally they have two people in the classroom, a teacher and a teaching assistant.

The point has been made that parental support/involvement at home is the single most important explanatory variable for school performance, but that's not something that the educational system can throw resources at, therefore concentrating on things like expenditure per pupil and teacher to pupil ratios, which are weak explanatory variables.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 08:12:54 AM EST
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It varies a great deal by state and school district here, but thirty kids in a class is ridiculous.  California has a lot of kids and a severe budget constraint, unfortunately.  A lot of Florida schools, which don't have very many kids (being a very old state) are constantly doing construction, though, simply because they're allocated construction money every year that they don't need.

Cal is also at an unfair disadvantage, because it has so many kids from immigrant households, so the kids have to be caught up on English in addition to all of the other topics.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 11:51:24 AM EST
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It would seem like London has a lot in common with California...

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 01:35:05 PM EST
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The cultural divide is, I suspect, much wider in London than in California, though.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 01:38:58 PM EST
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Florida schools are funded by a locally based tax, a "Millage rate" that produces revenue based on the wealth of the community. Therefore, the richer the community, the better funded the schools. The opposite is equally true- the poorest communities in Florida get Jack Shit. Keeps them "Others" out of the turf of their betters. These under-funded schools are the ones that fail-- so they get punished--to "motivate them, of course.
Ten years ago, Florida schools rated 45th in the nation in terms of funding per pupil. Yet rich areas had a lot of dough--yes.
In Land--o-lakes and MANY other Florida areas, that "
new construction" was shabby house trailers with gravel walkways between them. When it rained,(a lot) everyone got soaked going between classes.
Each day before school (two sessions a day), the hired black guy would go thru the "campus" with a bamboo pole jigging the grass under the trailers. Guess why?

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 04:25:29 PM EST
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These under-funded schools are the ones that fail-- so they get punished--to "motivate them, of course.

This is very much like the prevailing narrative about labour markets that you have to pay the plebes less to make them work harder, while you have to pay the patricians more to make them work harder.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 05:49:16 AM EST
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There is a bit of idealism in attraction to teaching. The other reasons for teaching being an attractive job :

  • Guaranteed employment. After one year on the job, the only teachers that get fired are the paedophiles. OTOH, if you want to test yourself into an other jobs, it is very easy to take a couple years off, while still getting the job back afterwards.

  • Very hands-off management. Until now, teaching remains mostly done by the teacher himself, with little intervention by the hierarchy. Team work is also light.

  • Independent time management. The only compulsory hours are in front of the class ; nobody asks you to stay in the school after your lessons, and there are also very long holidays - that are pretty much impossible to obtain in the rest of the job market. It is very good for parents.

  • Teaching is quite often the only viable option after university if you were majoring in a field that's not business oriented, and couldn't or wouldn't get into research. French employers don't like to hire liberal arts students, so teaching is easier to get into.


Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 08:20:34 PM EST
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NCLB is a joke, but the reason it's allowed this kind of coverage is mainly because of the fact that it was "bipartisan" legislation thrown together by Bush and Kennedy.

Really, it's no different from what Bush did in Texas: Fail the kids and push them out.  Magically the test scores go up (along with the dropout rate).

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 11:58:20 AM EST
Surely this is a case of fail the teachers? or rather blame the teachers?

The ideology that everybody can succeed and the reality of large groups of people failing need to be squared. Rather than solve the problems of poverty or integration that the kids face, blaming those involved in education for failing to set 'high standards' and 'giving up' on certain pupils works well enough.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.

by Ephemera on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 01:30:39 PM EST
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It's more about opening the door to vouchers than it is about failing the teachers.  Some of it is an effort at union-busting.  Republicans don't like the teachers' union, because the union never supports them.  But teachers, at least in the places I've lived, are not obligated to join the union, and a large number -- perhaps a majority -- don't, because it really doesn't afford you anything.

More than the economic views, it's a Republican game to get vouchers for religious schools, so that they can dump taxpayer money into the coffers of their winger donors.  That's how it was all run in Florida.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 01:54:16 PM EST
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I agree about the voucher thing, but about ten years ago or so, --the last time Adrian went to school there-- class size in St. Petersburg was around 30.

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 02:48:23 PM EST
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So no one wants to touch the really important question?

It's all about "US" and "THEM"

Once Obama becomes President, should that happen, it will be impossible to brand the world of non-whites, the world of Arabs, Viet Namese,--all our favorite categories in the "unworthy victim" universe, as "THEM".

---or  will it?

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 02:52:12 PM EST
Here's another elephant no one has chosen to notice.

At any given moment in the US (and I believe most of Western Europe), somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 of the population has solidly formed attachments to their "leader" -- bonds of obedience and belief that are largely impervious to external reality.

Bob Altemeyer's work on the authoritarian personality is widely accepted as transnational by now, by academia, but still a conceptual hot potato--invisible- to most voters.
So let's speculate a bit beyond the authoritarians.

Another huge group, between 60% and 75% I would guess, sticks to "Buying a Chevrolet"--Traditional, long-supported parties, Dad's party, the family party----and finds reasons to do so.
There is some overlap. There is not much good research showing how much. Hence the guess is yours.

Will the authoritarians make that attachment that brings such incredible, reality-denying obedience to--Obama? A "THEM"?
Or will he somehow be magically transformed into an "US"?
And if some unforseen (by me) process accomplishes this transformation,--then what of the ocean of the "unworthy" who have died and been --dissappeared?
Will we suddenly begin to accept the Lancet study, and the 1.2 million dead Iraquis whose very existence we now deny? How far does this sudden "love your OTHER" go?
And the traditionalists- how will they react to Obama in the carefully crafted role of National Leader?
Hell --even Reagan was coached by three drama specialists in his presidential role for six months, and he had spent a lifetime pretending to be someone he wasn't.
This is a bit of what Obama will face.
By the way, I support his presidency strongly. I want answers to these questions that can be had no other way than to --give him a shot at it.
But I fear for him.  

 

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 03:34:02 PM EST
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I'd say that's inevitable just based upon people's differences in philosophy.  People disagree about stuff, so they'll attach themselves, sometimes to an irrational extent, to leaders who they see as carrying those same beliefs.  That's why Bush will never fall below 20% (unless he and Laura somehow get pregnant and have an abortion or something).  There's always a chunk of one's base that believes you're the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 03:46:39 PM EST
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That describes it, Drew, --but I already did this, I think.
My question was if Obama can fill thiese roles.
What's your opinion on an answer? Or do you reject the premises?

--Will (can?) the authoritarians (most of them white), form the powerful attachment to Obama that their psychology seems to need? What happens to American politics if they do not?
Giant loose cannon.

--Will the traditionalists (not all of them conservatives ) accept Obama at the head of the party of their mom and dad, their grandpartents, or at the head of the nation?

--Will all of them suddenly see "scary brown people" as humans too-- altering centuries of deeply ingrained  defense mechanisms--you know, the sort of mental tricks that have always made it easy for most people to wear sneakers made by enslaved and abused 12-year-olds,-- without an apparent qualm of conscience?

Remember Binkley's anxiety closet?

We have our guilt closet, and we are not about to open it, I think.
 

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 12:42:14 AM EST
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The simple act of electing him obviously doesn't change anything in practice.  And, really, there's not a whole hell of a lot he can do on education at the federal level, because schools are generally controlled at the local level.  That's problematic, because obviously the parents of low-income students don't have time to be involved in school district meetings.

It'll be difficult to think in terms of "us" and "them" if he's elected, but more so because I think the "them" would view it as having finally arrived in "Mainstream America" (whatever that is).  It's more difficult to treat blacks and other minority groups as "others" when the president is a popular black guy with what most Americans will likely hear as a very African- and kind of Islamic-sounding (especially if you add in the Hussein) name.  Even more so if his Veep is Bill Richardson, who's half-Latino.

It changes Americans' perspective of how they view America.  "E Pluribus Unum" kind of stuff, I guess.  And it potentially helps in the country's view of the world by making the country knock off the subconscious "(white) America vs Scary Brown PeopleTM" thing that I do think infects people's perspective to some degree, especially if Obama adopts a more integrated, internationalist approach compared with the past.

The danger, of course, would be that issues primarily affecting poor kids from non-white backgrounds might be ignored by whites even more, because "We elected a black president."  It could be more difficult to shine a light on racial and ethnic inequality, which is why electing him has to be backed by substantial changes in domestic policy.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 03:40:37 PM EST
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schools are generally controlled at the local level.  That's problematic, because obviously the parents of low-income students don't have time to be involved in school district meetings.

It's a friggin' vicious circle of deprivation, isn't it?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 05:52:08 AM EST
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Yes.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 10:30:29 AM EST
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Good point about local control, and a good illustration of the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" nature of the education dilemma.
More direction from Washington has been pretty discredited, not only because of the conservative meme of "If I did it, they can do it--move on."
But because NCLB has been such an unqualified disaster, and because of mythological "state's-rights" issues.
Yet unless there is a policy change of sweeping proportions,(spelled "central policy") not much will get better.

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 12:20:17 AM EST
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Why do you have to make your main point in such a tangential way?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 05:53:16 AM EST
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I don't understand your question.
I did my best to point out a single example of race-based definition of the "other", and it's more obvious consequences- on education policy.
Then I tried to broaden the concept to include Obama's challenge--and show that it is ingrained defense mechanisms largely based on race that may well be his greatest enemy.
It aint linear. It's a web, a complex structure of process, and education is a key node.


Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 12:59:53 AM EST
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90% of the diary is a critique of No Child Left Behind, and then there's a very brief statement about Obama's election. Then you wonder why everyone is discussing NCLB in the comments.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 01:15:14 AM EST
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The text quoted was indeed about NCLB, and failed schools.
But I only wrote three paragraphs, Mig, and here are the last two.
From a different point of view, the entire program can be looked at from two interesting perspectives. From the political one, it was a device to support and validate the bad idea of school vouchers, thereby punishing the schools in trouble by siphoning off the students who were more likely to succeed, leaving the disadvantaged kids without even a role model for success, no dough---and no political clout.
From a sociological point of view, one might see a deeper representation here- the definition, isolation and punishment of the "THEM".

In the eyes of many voters, these are Obama's cultural and ethnic roots, and peers.

America's ability to continue to ignore the ocean of victims produced by our dreams of empire depends on the maintenance of what Chomsky calls the "Unworthy Victim". Redefining most of the population of the world as "THEM" is a big part of how this is done. A huge part of our own population is, and has always been, "THEM". Hence travesties like this,--and our incredible prison population.
President Obama would shake the foundations of our definition of "THEM".
Bout Time.
--Long Shot.  

Honest question:
Do these make clear that the diary is about Obama, and the fact that he is a force that, as President, might demand that the US to open doors- to look in closets- that we would prefer not to?
If not, then it indeed fails, because that was my point.

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 02:13:17 AM EST
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That was your point, but you cannot fault people for debating the 900 words about NCLB, as you did when you wrote
So no one wants to touch the really important question?

It's all about "US" and "THEM"



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 03:24:45 AM EST
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Mig, I've tried to approach this topic several times, in different diaries, and it almost never gets a comment--even a putdown. This was the absolute best response ever,(thanks, Drew, linca and all) to what I think is (or should be) a central topic for anyone who wants to do more than just deconstruct, but who wishes to comment on (or perhaps even create) better policy alternatives.

We do a great job of tearing down here, but our occasional policy ideas gotta begin with the question of --what makes a policy succeed?
This was also an attempt to ask some questions (indirectly)- to open the door to discussing  what makes a policy fail--even a good policy. But, as usual, it never quite got that far. Maybe next time.
And I relish any debate on education, as my diaries will show, including this one. Think of the education conversation as plan "B" for me--

Here's a third elephant in the living room that's too dead to crawl to the kitchen:

In the reductionist consumer culture of "Enterprise Village", ---a place that strongly resembles Sarkoland--
who makes the best, most easily "managed" workers?
The well-educated?
Or the trained Parrots?

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 05:40:30 AM EST
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There's a strike in a couple days---about just this.

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 05:42:50 AM EST
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I re-read the thing a couple times, and I can see what you mean.
It's so much easier to write about a clockwork world.
But it's fiction.

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 02:03:01 AM EST
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