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When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 02:19:13 AM EST
EUROPE: Home to Roma, And No Place for Them
BUCHAREST, May 16 (IPS) - A Roma ghetto in Ponticelli neighbourhood of Naples, Italy, was burnt down May 14 by locals angry over a reported attempt by a Roma young woman to kidnap a baby. The incident shows that, when it comes to living together with the 10 million Roma, Europeans today have no better answer than the "Gypsy hunts" of the Middle Ages.

The attempted kidnap in Naples is merely the last in a string of publicised crimes committed in Italy by Roma, usually from Romania. In the most notorious case, Romanian Nicolae Mailat raped and killed Italian teacher Giovanna Reggiani Oct. 30, 2007, on the outskirts of Rome.

Italian human rights organisation Opera Nomadi has calculated that of the 160,000 Roma living in Italy, roughly 60,000 come from Romania. Most of them inhabit improvised camps on the outskirts of towns or next to rivers. The Roma are a community that is believed to have migrated to Europe from India since the 14th century.

According to a survey commissioned this year by the Romanian Agency for Governmental Strategies, over 60 percent of Italians believe that criminality rates in their country have increased because of Romanians. Italians further said they considered Roma "the most difficult to tolerate."

Close to one million Romanians currently work in Italy. Romanians are said to be responsible for most of the illegalities committed by foreigners there. There is no clear indication that criminality rates for Roma from Romania are higher than for their non-Roma compatriots.


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 02:54:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Roma population and Romanian people numbers in general have been increasing in many European countries.

Yet, this has become a major political issue only in Italy. What gives? What is specific to Italy that brings the need for convenient scapegoats?

And yes, in France too, Roma people have been linked to crime, but mostly petty theft.

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 04:21:31 AM EST
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One of the main problems in Italy is the the creation of camps for "nomads" rather than creating the conditions so that the Rom can acceed to cheap housing, education and enter the legal work force. The camps are hell-holes that offer almost no opportunity to the Rom to better their situation.

The camps are quickly taken over by criminal gangs,  that act as intermediaries between the local authorities and the community they "represent" and repress. Corruption and blackmail are endemic. The ideology behind the camps does nothing to take into account the ethnic and religious strife between various Rom populations. Bureaucracy is complicated and ineffectual thus favouring inroads for criminal organizations such as the camorra. It's a permanent state of alienation.

A policy of dismantling the camps and facilitating the Rom in finding cheap housing would go a long way in resolving the problem. This is practically impossible since cheap housing, as soon as it goes up, is quickly taken over by organized crime.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 12:07:53 PM EST
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Thanks!
If I read you correctly, the major issue here is organized crime taking over impoverished areas, foreign or Italians, and generally speaking, what we would call (from the French side of the Alps) the failure of the side.

And as usual, B is all talk and no cattle...

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 12:46:05 PM EST
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A major problem in Italy is the absence and inefficiency of the state. One of the strongest power bases of the camorra is its capacity to control housing. Clans simply take over buildings- entire neighbourhoods, decide who can rent, exact payment and supply security. Entire zones in and around Naples are run by clans, that is they supply all services. Authorities simply cannot apply the law. If the city assigns a flat to someone after a long bureaucratic process, that person will have to deal with the camorra then to actually take possession of the flat- at the clan's conditions. If the person decides to assert his lawful right, he's likely to be killed in the worst case scenario.

The illegal immigrants, especially the Rom, rely on the camorra for "protection" or "private ordering." They are used as a sub-proletariat work force. They are used for illegal dumping or any "job" that is highly dangerous for their health so long as they are guaranteed to be left alone.

Whether camps are authorized or illegal makes little difference. It's organized crime that keeps order in both cases. And organized crime could just as well be behind some of the arson attacks against the Rom. There is nothing contradictory in this behaviour for the camorra's prime interest is to assert and advantage its authority by any means.

The recent attacks against the Rom have been favoured by the zeitgeist blown in by the far right win. Paradoxically, it is a leghista the minister of the Interior who must do something to put out the fire they stocked with their irresponsible rhetoric.  

A good study on the problem of private ordering and organized crime isThe Dark Side of Private Ordering: An Institutional and Empirical Analysis of Organized Crime by Milhaupt and West.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 05:07:46 PM EST
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Maybe it's a numbers issue. A population can absorb a certain number of people associated with petty crime, but after a while tolerance goes. Tho, given that Italy has the Camorra, the Mafia and Berlusconi I'm would've thought they'd been used to being systematically parasitised.

I think one of the issues is that the Rom do not integrate, make no attempt to do so. Coupled with their poverty it makes them outsiders but who become suspect. It happens in the UK where the children of gypsies, being undeucated and not in school are associated with lots of feral petty crime and vandalism. So people don't want them around.

Of course, the gypsies argue, with some justification, that it is difficult to enter a community when there are so many barriers to prevent them. Land is expensive, houses are expensive, they are desperately poor. They are effectively excluded and the authorities have no interest in welcoming them due to the local crime wave that is expected to follow them.

I have wondered how the circle can be squared and feel that we should make more effort, but not in the South east cos there's a bloody big long queue for help. But certainly in towns that are under-populatedlike Hull and the N East. Course, that's a bit of a pipe-dream cos there's no intent to do anything right now.

But equally, even if we did, they'd have to meet us halfway and I'm not sure that willingness exists within the majority. They want society and its benefits, but they also want to be outside of it. Settled, but free to wander. Educated, but not in education.

Their free-booting lifestyle doesn't fit with the modern world, but this is a cultural trait at least 15 centuries old. These peoples were first invited from NW India into the persian empire in the 5th century AD,  to provide music dance and genral entertainment in return for land and seed grain to plant. But they are not seettlers nor farmers and as soon as they'd eaten the seed grain and the king said "no more", they moved on. Westward.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 05:39:43 AM EST
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This is no doubt a well-meaning comment, but it pretty much boils down to:

  • the number of Roma is above the "tolerance threshold";
  • Roma don't want to integrate.

Which I'm sad to say are standard xenophobic arguments that are often applied to the Roma and others. The threshold theory is unsubstantiated, and the fact that people have a different lifestyle doesn't justify the hysterical reactions Roma come in for.

In past discussions here, it's been suggested and fairly widely agreed that anti-Roma racism is something we Europeans have in common, from West to East and back again. I'm thinking of deviousdiva's diaries, especially the Roma Series and Breaking Down Roma Stereotypes. Also Bulgarian Gypsies (Counter Argument)! by darin.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 06:23:28 AM EST
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Yes, okay, a tolerance threshold. Every population has problems absorbing large numbers of newcomers. Britain has been having problems until recently with white immigrants from new europe. They do create strains, if they use houses then they are accused of raising prices for locals, if they build shanty towns then they are "eyesores".

Local authorities don't have accurate counts on population and so service provision falls behind need, making life more difficult for everybody.

and that's with a white immigrant community who try to fit in, send their kids to school, have jobs, pay tax.

One only has to look at the residual resentments against orthodox jews, who are nowdays largely insulated by wealth, to see how people who set themselves apart will remain generationally suspect.

But gypsies in the UK (I can't answer for other groups) largely don't try to integrate. A few years back I was friendly with a senior member of some gypsy-advisory council and he would become quite irate about the idea that the itinerent lifestyle was an issue that prevented education, integration etc. As far as he was concerned it was their culture and they had every right to indulge it. Fine I'd say, but there are costs. Poverty, alienation, local resistance are the least of them. Your choice.

Now, I outlined a set of possibilities that might allow both sides to meet. But I accepted that there are problems on both sides. It is always politically difficult to spend money on groups of people who won't meet you halfway, insisting on the state subsidizing a lifestyle that sets them apart. Just remember the resentments at paying unemployment benefit to the criminal parasites on the Convoy 20 years ago. Accusing me of lazy racism for pointing out that there is a 50-50 split in responsibility doesn't really help. It isn't victim blaming to say that gypsies are, to some extent, agents of their own misfortune and it's not helpful to deny that.

I was unaware of the bulgarian essay, but I have been very interested in deviousdiva's essays. My impression is that those rom, much more poverty stricken, are not so wilfully itinerent. They want to send their children to schools and would stay around to ensure this. The schools refuse them. This is not true of the UK where rom children are constantly moving to the disruption of education and authorities lose patience.

Now to wind this back to Italy. I am not surprised that creating large ghettoes on the edge of towns and cities is causing friction.  It would irrespective of who the immigrants were, even southern italians going to N Italy and creating poverty stricken shanty towns would cause strife. Romanians are gonna get it in spades.

What the solution is I don't know. Italy is a mess already, and these people provide a handy scapegoat for the problems . Especially as they have nothing to do with it. But what they want is work. Is there work ? If there isn't, then there is going to be trouble. Such ghetto conditions breed criminality. You don't have to be pre-conditioned towards crime to recognise when there are no other choices. Look at S africa to see where that goes.

Governments in europe are struggling generally to cope with movements within europe, irrespective of the job situation. Language is a barrier within the EU. There are plenty of jobs in Poland right now, but the Rom can't speak polish. This is on top of the mass migration from sub-Saharan Africa which is bleeding into the southern states. I have suggested that the EU needs to develop policies and overviews on these developments, the satus quo isn't holding and expecting individual countries to deal with this may be okay with the UK, but it's difficult for greece and spain, let alone a basket case like Italy.

I'm getting lost in the strans now, so I'll stop.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 07:24:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Accusing me of lazy racism

I said your basic arguments are in fact similar to those advanced regularly by nationalists playing the xenophobia card, but I said your comment was well-meaning, ie I did not accuse you of anything, let alone of lazy racism.

I dug out the Bulgarian essay for the comments thread because it debated a lot of these points.

To your points: all you say about East European arrivals and "generationally suspect" orthodox Jews reinforces what I say. It's their fault that they're different and there are supposedly too many of them, or it's a simple fact that most people refuse to accept cultural outsiders? What I mean is, which way round are we looking at this?

BTW, I knew sedentary gypsies who were perfectly settled in council houses (or other private accomodation) in England in the '60s and '70s, just as there are in France, so I have a job with the idea that there is a monolithic refusal on their part to change their traditional habits. Perhaps increased motricity has changed that somewhat - after all, isn't planetary nomadism a prestigious recent phenomenon, don't middle-class people move around by car and plane as an essential element of their lifestyle, don't all kinds of people find freedom in movement? I suggest that's what's wrong with the Roma is not that they don't "settle down", but that they're scary brown people with a huge cultural baggage they're far from solely responsible for.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 08:50:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Ah sorry, I didn't read the comments thread. When threads drift into three figures I don't bother. But I guessed it was gonna get interesting.

Yes, human beings are tribal. We tend to react with suspicion to those who hold themselves apart or behave in ways the majority culture consider odd. Peer group pressure is a powerful tool of conformity and those who resist will face sanctions. However much we might pretend otherwise, it's the nature of the beast within us.

Some cultures have developed more authoritarian and conformist tendencies than others but most express sanctions against the outsider, even if it manifests just as a low level distrust. So yes, in some respect it is their fault. It would be nice if we, as a species, were more accepting but. We. Just. Aren't. We, as thinking liberals, can recognise the impulse and move beyond it, but I think history shows that, across populations, the veneer of civilisation isn't quite as robust as we might wish.

Now, in saying that I am not saying it is their fault, even 50%, merely that over time minor differences will be exaggerated, both by the minority as a signifier of proud difference and by the majority as an excuse for discrimination. A perfectly human tendency kinda makes things worse.

So, does it matter which way round we look at it ? What's done is done and we need to move forward more urgently than we need to explain past grievances. Both sides need to recongise that there is a problem and each played a part in creating it and each has apart to play in fixing it. Right now I don't see such recongnition by either group.

Yes, there are a lot of individuals who have assimilated. Group tendencies don't preclude individual variant behaviours. I dson't necessarily see a great difference between our positions except mine is perhaps a more brutal acceptance of how people are.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 11:29:29 AM EST
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I'm not sure you have a more brutal view than I have of how people are. The rest is a question of perspective. I don't think we should approach this kind of problem from the aspect: what characteristics of the victims help to explain what is happening? But, first and foremost, what are the social and cultural attitudes that structure their rejection by the majority, and secondly, what political manipulation or failures are involved?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 03:53:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
TRADE-AFRICA: EPA Threatens to Tear Apart Oldest Customs Union
GENEVA, May 17 (IPS) - The fate of the world's oldest customs union, the Southern African Customs Union (SACU), is hanging in the balance as a result of the economic partnership agreements that most SACU countries have signed with the European Union (EU).

SACU governments are now trying to figure out how to prevent paralysis or even total collapse. But they are finding themselves divided. Some in the SACU want a retreat from the liberalisation agreements they have agreed to while others want to move ahead and deepen the integration with the EU, for fear of losing out on EU aid and market access.


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 02:56:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Independent - Poll blow to PM

Gordon Brown's attempted fightback has failed to win over voters ahead of this week's crucial Crewe and Nantwich by-election, according to a new poll.

Labour is 17 points adrift of the Conservatives, the ComRes survey for The Independent on Sunday shows......

Last night an ICM poll in the constituency for the News of the World gave the Tories an eight-point lead, putting them on 45 per cent to Labour's 37 per cent.

A national YouGov survey for The Sunday Times puts the Conservatives 20 points ahead on 45 per cent to 25 per cent.

that's a staggering result, Crewe is a real dyed in the wool "pink pussycat" seat, ie Labour would win even if they put up a pink cat; to lose this would be an incredible loss.

A couple of weeks ago the tories were just hoping to do really well, today on the andrew Marr show he was looking pretty smug about the Tories probably winning the seat. This would be huge, panic would set in across the Labour benches, remember these people are useless and have are unemployable outside of the political process. which means their careers are dependent upon not losing their seats.

so if this by-election is lost, there will be changes at the top. Brown will almost certainly go and I can't see Darling staying around, his credibility is non-existent. Even if either Milliband or Balls (both NuLab loyalists) become PM, I imagine there will be a reassertion of the socialist left, theirs has been the only credible critique of late. Even if I personally disagree with their solutions at least they get where the problem lies.

UK politics could get mighty interesting after Crewe

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 06:09:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, next Saturday there is this

Beyond the Market Economy

which I am seriously considering going to...some really interesting sub-plenaries.

Probably be the usual SWP suspects spouting, but you never know...

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 06:47:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]
It does look interesting. however, I fear from past experience that there will be a lot of glib posture politics and little of genuine practicality.

Housing...council houses. Yes. That's a no-brainer....but where ? Who builds ? For profit or at cost ? Aye, there's the rub.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 07:34:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Does Labour have time to turn things around before May 2010, assuming they delay the general election as far as possible?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 06:21:06 AM EST
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Do they have time ? No. If there were credible senior figures within the Labour party who could change things it's possible, but NuLab is about the suprression of thought and even competence in pursuit of ideological conformity. They even ensured that the MPs who entered parliament had no thoughts of their own, so they actively selected out the diversity that they now desperately need.

So the very personality types they need are absent. However I imagine they might be able to make a fist of some forms of change, but I really think they will have to lick their wounds in oppositon.

I do not celebrate this possibility, this is like preferring McCain to Clinton and will hurt the country. But I simply do not see them creating a new credible narrative with this bunch.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 06:44:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
How about John McDonnell?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 06:49:25 AM EST
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Left Wing ExtremistTM. NuLab won't touch him.

Except for that, he'd be the most interesting choice.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 07:15:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Helen did say
Even if either Milliband or Balls (both NuLab loyalists) become PM, I imagine there will be a reassertion of the socialist left, theirs has been the only credible critique of late.


When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 07:18:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Whither NuLab™, and for how long?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 08:54:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I think Helen's point that the OldLab has been gutted is hard to argue against. With lack of consituency level support, and with the Tory press sharpening the knives, and with NuLab stuffed to the nose hairs with Tony Cronies, and without real leadership - Tony offered it, albeit in a bad way, and Gordon is probably about as good as the remainder - there's not going to be a lot that NuLab can offer.

What the party needs is someone with the charisma of Obama and serious left wing policy goals.

I doubt there's anyone like that in the party. Any likely candidates will have been purged.

The Lib Dems are going to have more chance of winning than NuLab will.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 11:43:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]
A good overview of what happened

Guardian - Jeremy Seabrook - The politics of Impotence

New Labour was thus enlisted on the side of the "forces of conservatism", against which Blair is supposed to have set his face to sternly. With its wholehearted submission to the economics of globalisation, New Labour at the same time provided a strong bulwark against any significant discussion of its political consequences.

This is why debate in Britain has been parochial and trivial, and may be the reason why many have voluntarily disfranchised themselves. Popular perception that there is no difference between the Conservatives and New Labour is not a result of apathy or ignorance: it is a proper response to a collusive mainstream agreement on the absence of alternatives.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 11:58:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The Lib Dems are going to have a hard time beating Labour into third place in any case.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 02:35:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
So we have a choice between the crazy party, the zombie party and the well-meaning but useless party.

Excellent.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 04:30:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Do you see Labour dropping below 20% of the vote nationally?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 04:42:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
If the LibDems stopped turning up their noses at those irritating working class people and made an effort to welcome them, then yes - Labour could drop below 20%.

Otherwise the natural floor is somewhere around 20-25%. And Labour is certainly heading in that direction.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 08:39:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Does it matter? I have heard that Blair got in his last election only 25%, but as there are so many competing parties, one can get already for ~30% the MP.

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 08:56:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It matters when Labour is bleeding votes to the Tories who are now polling above 40%.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 07:07:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]
My question was... loaded. I hear New Labour's death knell. I don't think Old Labour will rise again.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 04:00:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
deredactie.be - English - Cyclists take-over Brussels city centre
Sun 18/05/08 - From some 15 cities across the country, cyclists gathered Sunday morning to cycle together to Brussels for BicyCity. The organisers expect some 15,000 participants.

The cyclists are cycling to the capital from cities around the country, including Antwerp, Ghent, Leuven, Namur and Nivelles. Cyclists are also gathering in groups in the different municipalities of Brussels to go to the centre together.

     
 


The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 06:44:39 AM EST
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WORLD

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 02:19:37 AM EST
BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | China praises world's quake aid

Chinese President Hu Jintao has voiced his gratitude for the international aid following Monday's massive earthquake.

"I express heartfelt thanks to the foreign governments and international friends," Mr Hu was quoted as saying by the state-run Xinhua news agency.

Offers of help in the relief effort from home and abroad have now surpassed $800m, Chinese officials say.

The number of confirmed deaths of the quake in the south-western Sichuan province has now risen to 28,881.

More than 10,600 people are believed to be still trapped, Xinhua said, citing regional officials.

The final death toll following the 7.9-magnitude quake is expected to reach at least 50,000 people, Chinese officials estimate.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 04:28:27 AM EST
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Aftershocks rock China as toll rises | International | Reuters

BEICHUAN, China (Reuters) - Thousands of soldiers and families looking for missing kin streamed into one of the worst affected areas of China's massive earthquake on Sunday, as a strong new aftershock hit and the death toll neared 30,000.

Rescue workers have plucked more than 60 more survivors from the rubble following Monday's quake in the southwestern Chinese province of Sichuan, even as hopes fade for the estimated 10,000 people or so still trapped under the rubble.

The United States Geological Survey reported a tremor of 6.1 magnitude early on Sunday centered 80 km (50 miles) west of Guangyuan, the latest in a series of aftershocks to hit Sichuan.

The official Xinhua news agency said there was no immediate word of additional damage or casualties in the area.

In the provincial capital, Chengdu, some 200 km south of the new tremor's epicenter, buildings swayed and people rushed out into the streets, risking a soaking from a passing storm.

But nuclear facilities close to the affected zone, including China's chief nuclear weapons research lab, are "all in a safe and controllable state", Xinhua said.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 04:35:36 AM EST
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India to resume Pakistan peace talks | International | Reuters

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - India's foreign minister travels to Pakistan this week for his first meeting with leaders of a new civilian government and to review a peace process that has been in the doldrums for more than a year.

Indian External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee will meet his Pakistani counterpart, Shah Mehmood Qureshi, on Wednesday, a day after their top civil servants hold talks.

The nuclear-armed rivals launched peace efforts in 2004 after nearly going to war a fourth time after Islamist militant attacks in India linked to a nearly 20-year revolt, which Pakistan sympathizes with, against Indian rule in the Kashmir region.

While ties have warmed, the two sides have made no significant progress on their main dispute over the divided, Muslim-majority Himalayan region they both claim.

A heavy clash on their Kashmir border this month underscored just how tenuous the improvement in relations is.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 04:38:56 AM EST
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BBC NEWS | Africa | Aid vessel hijacked off Somalia
East African maritime officials say pirates have hijacked a Jordanian ship off the coast of Somalia.

The Victoria, sailing from India with 4,000 tonnes of sugar donated by Denmark on board, was seized early on Saturday as it neared Mogadishu.

It has a crew of 12 from Pakistan, India, Tanzania and Bangladesh.

The seas off Somalia have some of the highest rates of piracy in the world, with a dozen vessels attacked this year, and three in recent weeks.

Last month the United States and France proposed a UN resolution allowing countries to chase and arrest pirates in Somalia's territorial waters.



Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 04:39:02 AM EST
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African poverty resists economic growth: AfDB head
The annual meeting of the African Development Bank (AfDB) opened in Mozambique on Wednesday with the organisation's head warning that rising growth rates are having little impact on poverty levels.

In his opening speech, AfDB president Donald Kaberuka said the economic impact of surging food prices, power shortages and global warming would all be debated during the two-day gathering of African finance ministers and experts.

Kaberuka said that although the continent's overall economic performance was improving, more was needed to lift living standards for the average African.

"The strong growth rate for Africa, which is averaging nearly six percent, has not yet been enough to translate into a big fall in poverty levels," said Kaberuka.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 04:44:04 AM EST
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Wealth capture is not wealth creation?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 05:52:28 AM EST
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A rising tide floats some boats better than others?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 06:28:39 AM EST
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And sinks the rest.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 07:17:57 AM EST
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U.S. promotes GMO crops in food package
U.S. officials say a $770 food aid package proposed by President George Bush contains language promoting the use of bio-engineered food.

Proponents say genetically modified crops can result in higher yields from plants that are hardier in harsh climates, the Chicago Tribune reported Wednesday.

"We certainly think that it is established fact that a number of bio-engineered crops have shown themselves to increase yields through their drought resistance and pest resistance," Dan Price, a White House food aid expert, told the newspaper.

Opponents say genetically modified crops could cause medical problems and are being promoted to to help U.S. agribusiness. "I think it's pretty obvious at this point that genetically engineered crops -- they may do a number of things, but they don't increase yields, Ronnie Cummins of the Organic Consumers Association told the newspaper.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 04:47:38 AM EST
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Naturally, as world starvation increases the sheer brutality of globcorp colonialism is becoming increasingly naked.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 05:44:51 AM EST
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deredactie.be - English - Leterme advocates sustainable biofuel in Peru
Sat 17/05/08 - Belgian Prime Minister Yves Leterme called for the introduction of sustainable development criteria in the production of biofuels at the EU-Latin American summit in Lima, the capital of Peru.

60 European and Latin American leaders attended the two-yearly EU-Latin American summit. This was the fifth summit. With the exception of Ireland, all the EU member states were represented in Lima.

The two big themes of the summit were poverty and climate change. A major element affecting both issues is the role biofuels can or should play.

The European Union and Brazil, the world's top ethanol exporter, back biofuels, but many Latin American countries blame them for pushing up food prices and causing hunger in a region where a third of the population lives in poverty.
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On behalf of the EU, Belgian PM Yves Leterme held the opening speech for the second session of the summit. He was nuanced on the debate that is gaining momentum regarding biofuel as a viable alternative fuel.

Like the European Commissioner for Sustainable Development Louis Michel (Belgian), PM Leterme spoke out in favour of a review of the EU goals, but made no further comment on this issue.



The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 05:21:49 AM EST
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Uri Avnery's latest article is mainly about corruption in Israel, but he also has something to say about Blair.
A world-wide swarm of Has-Beens is flying from place to place like bees, all for one and one for all. This week they alighted in Jerusalem, on the invitation of Has-Been No. 1: Shimon Peres, a politician who in all the 84 years of his life has never won an election, and who was finally handed, out of sheer compassion, the largely meaningless title of President of Israel.

The common denominator of this group is that their prestige at home is close to nil, while their standing abroad is sky-high. Their mutual adoration compensates them for the lack of respect in their own countries.

One of the senior members of this club is Tony Blair, who has been pushed from power in his own country but is not content to enjoy his pension and raise roses. As a consolation prize he has been granted the pleasure of playing around with our conflict. Every few weeks he convenes a press conference to present the good tidings of his phenomenal success in ameliorating the lot of the Palestinians, while the actual situation in the occupied territories goes from bad to worse. Our security establishment treats him like a bore who has to be thrown a crumb from time to time to keep him happy.


by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 08:31:13 AM EST
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THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 02:20:04 AM EST
PERU: Women - The Guardians of Potato Biodiversity
HUAMA, Cuzco, Peru, May 16 (IPS) - In South America's Andes mountain region, indigenous women have traditionally been responsible for selecting, conserving and managing seed potatoes from the countless native varieties of the crop, thus ensuring diversity and continued production while contributing to food security among their people.

The conservation of thousands of native varieties of the potato (Solanum tuberosum), each with its own unique taste, nutritional value and climate-resistant traits, has taken on greater importance than ever this year. One of the reasons behind the current global food crisis is that human survival is currently dependent on just a handful of plant species, experts warn.


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 02:47:28 AM EST
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PERU: Preserving the Potato in Its Birthplace
CUZCO, Peru, Apr 28 (IPS) - Thousands of varieties of potato (Solanum tuberosum), one of the most widely-eaten and well-known foods in the world, have been developed in the heart of South America's Andes mountains, where the crop was domesticated more than 8,000 years ago.

Peru is home to the world's biggest germplasm bank of potatoes, containing seeds, tissue culture and plants from 5,000 varieties.

The biologists, geneticists and agronomic engineers working with the non-profit International Potato Centre (CIP), which began to collect samples in Lima in 1971, carry out lab and field research with the help of rural communities.

Of the 4,500 native and 500 improved or modern varieties preserved by the CIP, more than 2,500 are native to Peru.


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 02:50:30 AM EST
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And a lot of species of potato are poisonous. But are still cultivated and eaten with local clays which absorb toxins. A very similar thing happens with food stuffs africa. And before skepticism arises, remember kaolin and morphine stomach medicine ? Kaolin  = clay.

I saw a programme on TV about it where some markets have 15 - 20 kinds of clay on sale for cooking, each with slightly different properties and taste implications.

They even swapped the clays between continents and the testers, on tasting the clays, made suggestions about what these would be good for that were in pretty good agreement with their actual use.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 05:49:35 AM EST
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Pickens Orders First Turbines for World's Largest Windfarm
DALLAS, Texas, May 16, 2008 (ENS) - Texas energy executive T. Boone Pickens has taken the first step towards building the world's largest windfarm in the Texas Panhandle. On Thursday Pickens announced that his company, Mesa Power, has ordered the first 667 wind turbines for the Pampa Wind Project.

When complete in 2014, the windfarm is expected to generate more than 4,000 megawatts of electricity to feed into the Texas grid, enough to power 1.3 million homes.

Pickens said he expects that first phase of the Pampa project will cost about $2 billion, and that the first electricity from the project will be on-line by early 2011.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 05:00:43 AM EST
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The windmap of the US published here (or dKos) a few days back showed that only NW Texas had any significant resource. I wondered about that and still don't get it.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 05:50:56 AM EST
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30 Years of Global Warming Has Altered the Planet
NEW YORK, New York, May 14, 2008 (ENS) - It may have been cold and wet where you lived this winter, but on a global scale, the warming climate is changing life on Earth, finds a new analysis of decades of scientific information not previously assembled. The data show that physical and biological systems across the Earth are being affected by higher temperatures resulting from human activities.

"Humans are influencing climate through increasing greenhouse gas emissions, and the warming world is causing impacts on physical and biological systems attributable at the global scale," said lead author Cynthia Rosenzweig, a scientist at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies and the Columbia Center for Climate Systems Research.

Both research centers are affiliates of The Earth Institute at Columbia University in New York.

Rosenzweig and researchers from 10 other institutions around the world analyzed data from published papers on 829 physical systems and some 28,800 plant and animal systems, back to 1970.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 05:03:24 AM EST
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KLATSCH

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 02:20:35 AM EST
((*ETpedia article)) takes you to the corresponding ETpedia article .

The idea is no longer to create a simple glossary but to have these links point to full-blown summaries of ET positions, for instance on agriculture , free trade , energy , taxation , employment , etc.

Of course, when you first insert an ETpedia link, you may just write a simple glossary entry. It will actually help if you then follow your own link and add some content to (and possibly create) the ETpedia article so we know what topics are of interest by looking at the ETpedia recent changes.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 06:58:18 AM EST
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BBC NEWS | Americas | Edward Kennedy taken to hospital

US Democratic Senator Edward Kennedy is resting and undergoing tests in a Boston hospital after experiencing what his office says was a "seizure".

Mr Kennedy, 76, is conscious and talking with his family after earlier being flown from Cape Cod to Massachusetts General Hospital.

His doctors have said that he did not suffer a stroke, as initially feared.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 04:33:59 AM EST
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