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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:40:05 PM EST
Sarkozy set to collide with culture of protest - International Herald Tribune

PARIS: Of all the things the French do their own way, what truly distinguishes their country from its counterparts in Europe or the United States has been the reality that its politics can be decided in the streets.

The notion and expectation that demonstrations and strikes can overrule policy is unique here.

And so is recent governments' fear of street protests along with the generalized idea that this kind of confrontation constitutes fairly normal procedure.

Specific grievances, settled with less clamor elsewhere, sometimes coalesce with deep troughs of dissatisfaction in France, and a glorified old reflex - call it nostalgie de la rue - can quickly mass crowds and create stoppages and violence without French democratic tradition providing a powerful contradictory brake.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:42:33 PM EST
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France.Is.Too.Doomed.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 01:51:20 AM EST
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An electorate that expects to be listened to?  

Where will it all end?

by Sassafras on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:06:53 AM EST
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Didn't they vote already last year? They're out of order until 2012.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 04:57:09 AM EST
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Oh, goody. Another article to mock and condescend at those who would disagree:

A national transport strike is set for Thursday, and after that, wider demonstrations are scheduled by teachers and students resisting reforms in the vast national education bureaucracy. A far-left leader with a growing audience has said he would like to see a general strike.
OMG, they are resisting 'reforms' of the national education 'bureaucracy'. Funny how there is no mention in this article of how this might effect 'education' itself, and what it might do to 'class sizes'. No, it is just 'reforms' of a 'vast bureaucracy'.

In contrast to May 1968, French students are more clearly divided now between idealists (or nihilists) ready to head for the barricades and those who want to take exams and think that France's state-oriented capitalism must be  overhauled.
But there is hope! Even famously pampered and strong headed French students are beginning to realize that one gets ahead by studying and taking ones exams and listening to ones elders and betters and not complaining. Yes, one must accept the inevitable 'modernization' of a horribly backwards country with an outdated social and economic model. Those that don't are nihilists. They need to restrain this glorified old reflex... But I hear France has very good riot police, so it may be alright after all.

He was elected president as a reformer and would lose all credibility at home if he wavered in his commitment to uproot France's conservatism, castes and comfort in living with a foot in the past.
Errahhghgghhh...
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 04:01:20 AM EST
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Actually, there is much less division than in 1968. There are no more idealist/nihilist students nowadays in France. Those protesting don't protest the system, they mostly don't want it to change. Not much talk about the alienation of a consumerist wage slavery society, halas...

What has clearly changed is that the media keep doing "he said/she said" reporting, giving a voice to the small minority of right wing students.

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 04:20:31 AM EST
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linca:
Those protesting don't protest the system, they mostly don't want it to change.
Well, I think this is what makes them idealist/nihilist according to the IHT. They refuse to accept the much needed 'reforms' and 'modernization'. Changing the system is the point, thus those that are against it...
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 04:27:21 AM EST
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I was as much making my own point as responding to the IHT's. Radical criticism of the current social model is very much out of vogue - which makes such voices as the IHT's that much more credible.

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 04:42:24 AM EST
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IHT:
The notion and expectation that demonstrations and strikes can overrule policy is unique here.

You hope.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:27:14 AM EST
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Apparently regicide is very effective in the long term.  I'd venture the only reason other nation's have trouble getting their leaders to respond to public pressure is a lack of fear.  Any French executive is acutely aware of his inability to survive (politically at the least) against public sentiment.  

Why this should be unusual in "democracy" is the real story.  Federalist Republicanism for the win?

by paving on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 01:30:36 PM EST
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Talks for a ban on cluster bombs open in Dublin - International Herald Tribune

DUBLIN: Ireland convened diplomats from more than 100 countries Monday in hopes of negotiating a treaty banning cluster bombs, which have littered battlefields worldwide with potentially deadly "duds."

Each bomb, rocket or shell scatters "bomblets" that carpet enemy troops or armored vehicles. But some fail to detonate, creating unmapped minefields that kill or maim civilians - including children who can mistake the objects for toys - months or years later.

The negotiations, begun in Norway last year, seek to impose restrictions on cluster bomb manufacturing, sales and storage. But myriad arguments loom over defining what a cluster bomb is, and whether to exempt the most technologically reliable or precise systems.

If participants achieve a draft treaty in Dublin during the coming 12 days of negotiations, a formal signing ceremony would follow in Norway in December.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:43:32 PM EST
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NATO Undermined?: Negotiators Gather in Dublin to Ban Cluster Bombs - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

International envoys are meeting in Dublin for a 12-day conference to hammer out a deal that would ban the use of cluster bombs. Big producers like the US and Israel will not be attending, while the pressure is on the UK to push to water down the treaty to prevent it undermining the NATO alliance.

 A live unexploded "bomblet" from a cluster bomb: More than 100 countries are trying to get cluster bombs banned. Almost 10 years after the Ottawa Treaty banned the use of landmines, more than 100 countries are gathering on Monday to attempt to ban cluster bombs as well. However, the United States and other big producers will not be attending. Washington is arguing that the proposed treaty threatens to undermine the very fabric of NATO (more...).

Envoys are gathering in the Irish capital Dublin for a conference that aims to agree on a convention banning cluster bombs. The states will negotiate the terms of the international treaty that would prohibit the use, production and stockpiling of the cluster munitions by the signatories.

However the biggest producers of the cluster weapons, the United States, China, Israel and Russia, are not attending the 12-day conference and have been lobbying hard to have it watered down. Benjamin Chang, a spokesman for the US mission to the United Nations, told Reuters that Washington is opposed to any ban. "We do not believe they are indiscriminate weapons."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:44:03 PM EST
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NATO: Cluster bombs-R-Us

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 04:55:37 AM EST
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Comment stirs confusion in France over 35-hour workweek - International Herald Tribune

PARIS: The head of France's governing party called Monday for a definitive end to France's 35-hour workweek - but within hours he was contradicted not only by the government but by President Nicolas Sarkozy himself.

Ten years to the day after a Socialist government decided to shorten the workweek, the division at the top of the governing camp highlights how France's most disputed labor law continues to split the center-right.

Rather than scrapping a law that Sarkozy once called a disaster, successive governments have preferred to tinker with costly overtime.

So when the leader of the Union for a Popular Movement, Patrick Devedjian, announced Monday in unambiguous language that his party was "forcefully requesting the definitive dismantlement of the 35-hour week" and provisions to allow companies to negotiate their own work-time agreements, it did not take long for confusion and recriminations to spread through the ranks of the government.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:45:08 PM EST
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The battle between the right and the right continues.

According to the Canard Enchaîné, Devedjian is slated to be kicked out of the UMP leadership by Sarkoztic ukase sometime very soon. Which has as much if not more to do with rivalries in the rich West Parisian conservative powerhouse département, the Hauts-de-Seine, as with anything else.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:00:26 AM EST
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Focus on domestic energy demand, says Russia's free market guru -EUobserver.com
EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Anatoly Chubais, architect of Russia's 1990s privatisation programme, has suggested that Moscow should re-channel its focus on feeding energy into European grids to serving its domestic market.

"I think that, in strategic terms, our priorities should not be Europe or China," Mr Chubais said in an interview with the Financial Times published on Sunday (18 May).

He underlined that rising energy demand in Russia should not be overshadowed by its ambition to export to Western markets.

"We have this western stream, northern stream, south stream. What I believe we need is a Russian stream. The Russian domestic demand is growing a lot. I think that Russia needs to restructure its strategy in this sector," said the man responsible for the liberalisation of the country's electricity sector.

Mr Chubais specifically referred to Gazprom, Russia's state-run gas monopoly.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:49:32 PM EST
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This is an inevitable trend. I imagine that all of europe will respond strategically, except for the UK will continue to blather about the sanctity of the market as we slowly freeze.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:58:17 AM EST
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Or, the UK could shut Country Guardian up, put in place a national planning process, and take advantage of Europe's most abundant wind resource.  Freezing would then be a matter of personal choice.  As a side effect, the UK would begin to have an industry again, and jobs other than marketing derivitives.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 07:54:23 AM EST
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Shut who up?

Campaign to stop inappropriate wind farm development by Country Guardian

Country Guardian is a UK conservation group which, since 1991, has campaigned against the construction of wind turbines in environmentally sensitive areas. We object because wind turbines convert rural landscape into industrial landscape, and because they are a poor source of renewable energy.


When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 07:59:59 AM EST
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you evidently don't understand politics in the UK. what could or should be done as opposed to what the lobby groups want done means there is only one result.

The Govt are in thrall to the nuclear industry and will impede and prevent anything and everything that gets in the way of nuclear growth. They hate wind cos advocates of wind are the same DFHs who oppose nuclear expansion, therefore in the UK wind power is not complementary, it is an enemy to be defeated.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 08:09:51 AM EST
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Food price spike to hit EU farming review -EUobserver.com
EU farm ministers are meeting in Brussels today (19 May) for an emergency debate on the sharp rise in food and agriculture product prices on global markets, just a day before the European Commission unveils proposals for a review of the bloc's agrosector.

The Slovenian EU presidency put the food prices issue on the ministers' agenda "with a view to finding a solution to mitigate the adverse effects of such market price trends," Ljubljana wrote in an introductory statement for the meeting.

Despite a minor slowdown of the food price hikes, they still remain at historically high levels with wheat up 84 percent over one year, maize 21 percent, and butter 21 percent, according to media reports.

It is expected that the ministers will express a demand that the farm reform package - which EU agriculture commissioner Mariann Fischer Boel will present to MEPs in Strasbourg on Tuesday (20 May) - includes measures aimed at curbing the trend.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:49:58 PM EST
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EU Kosovo mission to face delay - EUobserver.com
The EU's mission to Kosovo is unlikely to be fully operational by 15 June, as first planned, due to opposition by Serbia and Russia which are blocking the transfer of power from the UN to the EU and local authorities.

Under an initial plan, UN mission UNMIK which has been administering Kosovo since 1999, was to hand over the power to local authorities on 15 June.

After this, the EU would have stepped in to help with police and judicial work, while NATO forces would have continued to be responsible for hard security in Kosovo, according to the AFP agency.

However, this transfer of power has been blocked by UN members Serbia and Russia, which do not recognise Kosovo's unilaterally proclaimed independence of 17 February.

For his part, UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon has also avoided clear statements on the matter so far, saying simply that the UN was taking note of the EU's wish to intervene.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:50:33 PM EST
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German Named New European Development Bank President | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 19.05.2008
Germany's Thomas Mirow was named the new president of the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development at the group's annual meeting.

The 55-year-old Mirow was selected on Monday, May 19, in Kiev to replace Frenchman Jean Lemierre who will step down in July after eight years in charge of the bank.

Mirow, a long-standing German Social Democratic politician and a deputy minister at the federal finance ministry, is the second German to head the EBRD. The group has always been led either by a German or a Frenchman since it was founded in 1991 to help ex-Soviet countries in Europe and Central Asia in their transition to market economies.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:53:10 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Europe | Neapolitans torch rubbish piles

Firefighters battled overnight in the southern Italian city of Naples to extinguish dozens of blazes as angry residents set rubbish piles alight.

The city has some 3,500 tonnes of uncollected rubbish, piled up around its streets.

Italy's prime minister is due to hold a cabinet meeting in the city on Wednesday to address the crisis.

Silvio Berlusconi has hinted he may force local councils to accept new rubbish dumps, despite opposition.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:56:42 PM EST
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What we have here is a front row seat for a putsch in action. In Italy we use the old neologism "converging parallelism." Various groups/ networks seek to further their interests in parallel without there necessarily being a strong provable link between them. On one hand we have the rightwing coalition that seeks to oust what's left of the Left in Campania, especially the mayor of Naples, Rosa Jervolino, and the governor of the Campania, Antonio Bassolino, before their terms finish. On the other hand we have the Camorra that has undertaken a major offensive, perhaps allied with the `Ndrangheta, to monopolize the trash racket.

Berlusconi's much publicized ministerial reunion in Naples to "affront the garbage emergency" has simply incremented the arson attacks making it all the more difficult to collect trash. Predictably, earmarked heads will fall.

In the meantime it appears the Camorra has centered its objective, if we can give credence to the scoop today written by Carlo Bonino in the Repubblica.

Because of the emergency, shipments of undifferentiated waste abroad has become a major resource for solving the problem. Until now, the  rail society Ecolog shipped waste to Saxony at a price of 225 euro per ton. The company had also negotiated new contracts with the three giants in the sector, BKB, Remondis, and the French Veolia, for a total of 600,000 tons. Negotiations with the Swiss were well on the way for 60,000 tons at 199 euro per ton.

The Ecolog CEO Roberto Cetera has always been menaced by the camorra for his campaign against organized crime infiltration. The menaces against him suddenly ceased when Ecolog lost the job.

Strangely- or not at all- Ecolog's contract has been revoked to the advantage of another rail company that has yet to begin transport with the excuse that the German authorities have intervened. Supposedly, Germany wished to set a limit to the processing of Neapolitan waste. But the new plan makes no sense. The waste is now to be routed to a small consortium of companies called Returo in Reno-Westphalia at the price of 270 euro per ton, against the previous 225 or 199. The Returo companies have only the capacity to process 10,000 tons each.  

The transportation of waste to Germany has all but ceased since the end of March aggravating the emergency. The new company, which has never transported waste before, Trenitalia Cargo, will begin transportation to Reno-Westphalia as of this evening. In coincidence with Berlusconi's three-ring circus in Naples.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:52:37 AM EST
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I'm curious about waste conservation efforts in Naples.  Has there been any notable reduction in the amount of waste being generated and/or any concerted efforts to actually do so?  I'm looking for a silver lining here...
by paving on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 01:43:21 PM EST
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 There is an attempt to enforce differential waste collection by heavily fining towns or even disbanding the city councils that don't implement standards. It simply will not amount to much.

I would like to see a sense of civic pride in which everyone separates waste and recycles but I see that in Rome it is largely ignored- far beyond what is perfectly normal in the North.

It remains that sanctions are notoriously ineffectual in Italy. They are usually shot down quickly by the administrative tribunals or the upper courts.

What will happen is that as soon as organized crime has monopolized the market at an inordinately higher cost to the taxpayer, garbage will shrink to a tolerable level- only to be pulled out again when the mobs up the ante.

Even the official statistics and reports are cooked. In no way do they depict the real situation. It is why I feel that Italy and its products should be boycotted. The garbage in Naples is an Italian problem. The `Ndrangheta in Calabria or the Mafia in Sicily is an Italian problem. If Italy can't put its shit together, hit their exports.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:35:18 PM EST
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Buffett lands in Europe on shopping trip - International Herald Tribune

FRANKFURT: Warren Buffett may be one of the few Americans who can still afford to come to Europe for a shopping spree.

Undaunted by the decline of the dollar against the euro, Buffett, the billionaire investor, arrived here Monday to begin a four-country tour of Europe, with a view to buying family owned companies.

"I would rather be doing this with the euro at 90 cents than $1.50," Buffett said to a crowded news conference at an airport hotel. But he added, "If we can buy good businesses with good people at a good price, I'm not going to pass it up because I think a currency is too high."

Buffett said he was making the rounds so publicly because he and his holding company, Berkshire Hathaway, were less well known in Europe than in the United States, where the firm's annual meeting and homespun letter to shareholders have long served as a guide to his investment philosophy.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 12:00:01 AM EST
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It's the narratives, stupid!

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 04:59:44 AM EST
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FT.com / World - Poland planning mass privatisations

Poland plans to privatise hundreds of businesses in a move that will halve the state-owned sector's contribution to the economy and give a shot in the arm to the Warsaw stock market.

The state will retreat from large areas of the economy - including tourism, shipyards, publishing and construction - under plans to sell off 740 companies within four years, the Treasury minister has told the Financial Times.
Aleksander Grad said the sell-off would reduce the footprint of Poland's government-owned companies from 20 per cent of GDP to no more than 10 per cent. "The role of the state in the economy will be much more limited," he said.

The programme is expected to bring in about 30bn zlotys ($13.7bn, €8.9bn, £7.1bn) over four years.

The government has only a minority stake in about half the companies to be privatised and selling these stakes made financial sense, said Mr Grad. "We analysed whether it is better to sell the remnants or count on the dividends. We worked out that it is much better to sell."


by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 12:01:06 AM EST
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We analysed whether it is better to sell the remnants or count on the dividends. We worked out that it is much better to sell

Thank goodness for spreadsheets. They don't feature political functions.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:21:02 AM EST
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Turkey introduces smoking ban - CNN.com

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- A law extending a smoking ban in Turkey to most enclosed areas -- including taxis, ferries and shopping malls -- came into effect Monday in the nicotine-addicted nation.

Around 40 percent of Turks over the age of 15 are smokers, according to anti-smoking campaigners.

As of midnight, outdoor smoking was also banned in locations such as stadiums and playgrounds. A ban on lighting up in bars, restaurants and coffeehouses will be implemented next year.

Smoking was already barred on buses and airplanes and in larger offices. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's Islamic-rooted government expanded the ban to most enclosed places as part of an attempt to reduce smoking rates in the country and the effects of second-hand smoke.

Around 40 percent of Turks over the age of 15 are smokers, consuming around 17 million packs a day, according to Yesilay, an organization devoted to fighting alcohol, drug and tobacco abuse.

The government says around 160,000 people die annually in Turkey from smoking-related ailments.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 12:02:17 AM EST
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BBC: Phone calls database considered

Ministers are to consider plans for a database of electronic information holding details of every phone call and e-mail sent in the UK.

A Home Office spokesman said the data is a "crucial tool" for protecting national security and preventing crime.
by Sassafras on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:57:39 AM EST
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What, isn't it easy enough already for the police and the courts to summon records?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 04:57:46 AM EST
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What's that smell? Could it be... contractor pork?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:30:15 AM EST
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There you go again, using the c-word.

Court.  Because they still, occasionally, do inconvenient things like asking for evidence.

And would a court order be needed to access a government database?

by Sassafras on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 04:32:11 PM EST
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You see things like this nowadays and it barely registers. Intrusions into our privacy by the Executive are so widespread and casual, so poorly controlled and deeply penetrated, that I just shrug my shoulders at it. It's like freedom of speech, only observed in the breach.

Complaining about it is pointless, our elites are so wrapped up in authoritarian practice of communication, command, control and intelligence that they cannot see it for what it is. They think it makes us feel safe and free when it achieves the opposite.

changing the govt won't make any difference, we need a government that really is on the side of thepeople and right now I cannot see many politicans who give a stuff about anything beyond their own perks and privileges.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:09:13 AM EST
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[Torygraph Alert] ECBs Trichet calls crisis 'very serious'as troubles reach Europe
The European Central Bank has warned that the world economy is still in the grip of a "very serious market correction" and risks repeating the inflation debacle of the early 1970s if global authorities respond by slashing interest rates too soon.

Jean-Claude Trichet, the ECB's president, said the credit crisis is still extending its shadow over the economy, but cautioned against any easy solution given the cocktail of threatening forces that have come together.

...

"We have this accumulation of the oil shock, the food and agro-products shock. In the first oil shock, when we took the wrong decision, we enshrined high inflation, and we created mass unemployment," he said.



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 04:52:15 AM EST
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Trchet:
¨In the first oil shock, when we took the wrong decision, we enshrined high inflation, and we created mass unemployment," he said.

So it wasn't high wage demands after all?

Now he tells us.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:32:13 AM EST
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Annoyingly, Ambrose-Pritchard doesn't say when, where or how Triched made these comments.

guardian.co.uk: Worst of credit crunch 'may be ahead'

In an interview with the BBC, Trichet said that the combination of an oil shock with rises in food prices made these "challenging times".

"In the first oil shock when we took the wrong decision, embarking on what I call second-round effects, we enshrined a high level of inflation," he said. "And we created ... mass unemployment in Europe.

"Price stability and credibility in price stability in the medium term is the best way to have a high level of sustainable growth and sustainable job creation."

The interview took place on Monday, according to an Australian source. Now on to track down a transcript.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:51:19 AM EST
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Gotcha!

BBC NEWS: The Reporters - Robert Peston

What if the Bank of England were not to bear down on inflation in the face of the upward pressure from rising global energy and food prices?

What if it were to respond to popular, corporate and political calls for cuts in interest rates, to give some oomph to an economy slowed down by the credit crunch?

In a worldwide trawl of bankers and economists - which I made in preparing a documentary to be broadcast at 8pm tonight on Radio 4 ("Power Failure at the Central Bank") - a compelling case for not cutting interest rates came from across the Channel, from the veteran public official who is arguably the most respected central banker in the world right now, Jean-Claude Trichet.



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:53:25 AM EST
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It doesn't matter when he said it - he's still wrong.

Mass unemployment was created in the first aggressive round of 'reform.' The energy crunch provided a good excuse for this.

Also - take a look at UK's rate history.

Where are the aggressive rate cuts he claims were happening then?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:09:12 AM EST
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You might want to get ahold of a complete transcript of his comments or a clip of the BBC video before concluding he's wrong.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:18:14 AM EST
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Is there a transcript?

All I can see in Peston's summary is the same-old same-old nonsense about wage demands magically destroying 'competitiveness' and creating econo-doom.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:29:40 AM EST
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You can listen to the programme here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/news/pip/nb835/

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:33:47 AM EST
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Is the nonsense coming from Trichet or from Peston?
Or to be more precise, he argued that the current rise in energy and food prices is comparable to the oil-price shock of the early 1970s. And he insisted that the failure of most European economies back then to suffer the short term pain of tighter monetary policy, higher interest rates, led to inflationary wage settlements that undermined economic competitiveness.

"Before 1973 and 1974, there was everywhere in Europe full employment," he told me. "It is after the absence of sufficient lucidity in analysing what was happening after the first oil shock, trying to protect ourselves from the first oil shock and not understanding that we had a real transfer of resources associated with the first oil shock, all that created mass unemployment.

"And we are still fighting against unemployment which is at a level that is not satisfactory in the euro area and which is the legacy of these mistakes in the first oil shock."

Or to put it another way: cut rates and risk long-term, serious damage to all our prosperity.



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:38:00 AM EST
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What Trichet fears is what he calls "second-round effects", such as wages being set at levels that assume inflation will not fall - which could precipitate endemic inflation, a debilitating virus that would be hard to shake off.


When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:39:23 AM EST
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Bloomberg.com: Britain Has Reached Taxation Limits, Cameron Says
Tax levels are hurting U.K. households, and the Conservative Party will streamline public services to pay for tax cuts if it wins the next election, leader David Cameron said.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown increased spending during his decade as finance minister without making public services more efficient, Cameron said today in a speech in Birmingham, central England.

``After a decade of reckless spending under Labour, Britain needs good housekeeping from the Conservatives,'' Cameron said. ``We need to start living within our means. We have reached the limits of acceptable taxation and borrowing.''



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:07:24 AM EST
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Well, he might consider taxing those who earn substantial fortunes or are outside of PAYE at something like a reasonable rate, but that would be anti-competitive, or some such specious bs. We could cancel Trident as well and the stupid eurofighter designed to fight a battle that can no longer happen. We might also resolve not to support the US in their aggressive imperial resource demands that cost us money and drag us down lower and lower in global estimation. Not just because they hate our american policies but because they are contemptuous of our lick-spittle subservience.

Independent - Steve Richards - David Cameron has some lofty aspirations, but there is one big problem with them

Magic is not enough. Public services cannot be improved without sustained investment

The debate in Britain about public spending often begins with the assumption that investment is a waste of money. It ends by taking a magical route towards a paradise of low taxes and the best public services in the world free to everyone at the point of use.............

The harsh truth about public spending was made very clear in the questions asked of Mr Cameron at the end of his speech in Birmingham. Most of them implied a desire for more spending, not less. To take one example, one business leader despaired of the transport infrastructure in the West Midlands and beyond. The Conservative leader acknowledged the importance of the issue and, in fairness, offered some examples of small policy shifts. What he did not do was promise the investment needed to take Britain up to the transport standards of equivalent countries. Perhaps at some point he will promise to wave his own conjurer's wand.

Magic is not enough. Public services cannot be improved without sustained investment. With the investment, the scope for economic growth is greater, as the business leader in Birmingham suggested with his cry for improved transport.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:20:48 AM EST
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The debate in Britain about public spending often begins with the assumption that investment is a waste of money. It ends by taking a magical route towards a paradise of low taxes and the best public services in the world free to everyone at the point of use.............

Since Irish media is heavily contaminated by the British media, this message spills over here as well, with predictable results.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:22:31 AM EST
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Does the Berliner Philharmonie building is on fire?!

When Procrustes looks after you, you're sure to fit in.
by PerCLupi on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 09:14:18 AM EST
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WORLD
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:40:29 PM EST
France acknowledges contacts with Hamas - International Herald Tribune

PARIS: France confirmed on Monday that it has been engaged in contacts with the leaders of Hamas, the radical Islamic group that is running Gaza, for several months to try to better understand its positions.

The Bush administration, which recently likened talks with Hamas to appeasement of the Nazis, quickly criticized the French for the contacts, calling them unhelpful. There was no immediate comment from the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas of Fatah, who has said that he will not talk to Hamas, which he accuses of carrying out a bloody coup in Gaza last June.

Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner emphasized that there were no negotiations with Hamas, labeled a terrorist group by the United States, Israel and the European Union.

"These are not relations, they are contacts," Kouchner said on Europe1 radio. "We are not the only ones to have them," he said. "We must be able to talk if we want to play a role."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:45:43 PM EST
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Unhelpful Nazi-appeasing cheese-eating surrender monkeys.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:29:59 AM EST
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Typical effeminate French, always talking,talking,talking rather than doing like manly Americans.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:38:23 AM EST
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I've been eating a lot of cheese lately, Doctor, is that why my wrist has gone limp?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 03:18:36 AM EST
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Try blowing some shit up. Preferably foreign shit.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:33:07 AM EST
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As Chris Mattews pointed out, appeasement wasn't about talking to the Nazis, it was about giving away the sudetenland.

Talking isn't appeasement. Mandela talked with the S african govt, because how else could he negotiate.

France is wise in this and the Americans are stupid and ignorant. Sadly it is no longer stupid and ignorant beyond belief cos in the last 30 years we've come to expect no better of american governments.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:24:07 AM EST
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Mbeki urged to use troops to halt attacks on migrants - Africa, World - The Independent

South Africa has been rocked by a wave of xenophobic violence that has sent thousands of immigrants in Johannesburg fleeing for shelter as mobs beat, stabbed, shot and burnt people alive.

The government was urged to deploy troops in and around the country's financial capital last night as the death toll climbed to 22, with more than 250 people arrested.

In scenes reminiscent of unrest during the apartheid era, gangs of men armed with clubs and jugs of petrol have been targeting Zimbabweans, Mozambicans, Malawians and others who they claim are taking scarce jobs and houses and committing crime.

The country's Human Rights Commission supported by the opposition Democratic Alliance called on the ANC government to mobilise the army in the worst affected areas.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:47:34 PM EST
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Anti-immigrant violence rages on in South Africa - International Herald Tribune

JOHANNESBURG: The man certainly looked dead, lying motionless in the dust of the squatter camp. His body seemed almost like a bottle that had been turned on its side, spilling blood. His pants were red with the moisture.

Nearby was evidence of what he had endured. A large rock had been used to gouge his torso. Embers remained from a fire that had been part of some torture. Shards of a burned jacket still clung to the victim's left forearm.

Then, as people stepped closer, there was the faintest of breath pushing against his chest. "This guy may be alive," someone surmised. As if to confirm it, the man moved the fingers of his right hand.

The jaded crowd neither rejoiced nor lamented. After all, the horrific attacks against immigrants around Johannesburg had already been going on for a week, and in their eyes the victim was just some Malawian or Zimbabwean, another casualty in the continuing purge.

This nation is undergoing a spasm of xenophobia, with poor South Africans taking out their rage on the poor foreigners living in their midst. At least 22 people had been killed by Monday in the unrelenting mayhem, the police said.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:48:07 PM EST
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By Nomad:

European Tribune - "Awahamba noma afe" - Report from Jozi

A quick timeline: Some of the violent incidences occurred as early as last week Sunday; BBC News has an article describing the first flares that erupted in Alexandra township on May 11. It took until Wednesday to quell the worst of violence in Alexandra: by that time most foreign immigrants were fleeing to other townships or were packed up at the central police station. From that point onwards, violent attacks have begun to spread to other townships. First in Diepsloot on Thursday. I lost track of the news reporting as I was kept busy on Friday and on Saturday I was back in Alexandra as part of my volunteering programme. Nothing appeared out of the ordinary - township life as usual.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 12:05:31 AM EST
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Not Licensed to Kill: German Special Forces in Afghanistan Let Taliban Commander Escape - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

German special forces had an important Taliban commander in their sights in Afghanistan. But he escaped -- because the Germans were not authorized to use lethal force. The German government's hands-tied approach to the war is causing friction with its NATO allies.

Unlike their Delta Force colleagues, Germany's KSK special forces are not authorized to use lethal force in Afghanistan except in the event of an attack. The wheat is lush and green in the fields of northern Afghanistan this spring. A river winding its way through the broad valley dotted with walled houses completes the picturesque scene. Behind one of these walls, not far from the town of Pol-e-Khomri, sits a man whose enemies, having named him a "target," would like to see dead. He is the Baghlan bomber.

The Taliban commander is regarded as a brutal extremist with excellent connections to terror cells across the border in Pakistan. Security officials consider him to be one of the most dangerous players in the region, which is under German command as part of NATO's International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) mission in Afghanistan. The military accuses him of laying roadside bombs and of sheltering suicide attackers prior to their bloody missions.

He is also thought to be behind one of the deadliest attacks in Afghanistan's history, the Nov. 6, 2007 attack on a sugar factory in the northwest province of Baghlan. The attack killed 79 people, including dozens of children and many parliamentarians and other politicians, as they celebrated the factory's reopening.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:51:48 PM EST
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What? Arrest him rather than kill him? What sort of lily-livered women are these? Real men assassinate their enemies.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:26:14 AM EST
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Non-sequitur alert!

Fran:

Unlike their Delta Force colleagues, Germany's KSK special forces are not authorized to use lethal force in Afghanistan except in the event of an attack. The wheat is lush and green in the fields of northern Afghanistan this spring.
Huh?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:08:55 AM EST
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Could this indicate a revival of a WWII method of communicating with partisan forces in occupied territory using news broadcasts of coded phrases? ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:12:51 AM EST
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No, a secondary mission for Delta Force is securing imminent Crop Circles.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 07:41:13 AM EST
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Is that a typo on 'crop'? ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 10:37:12 AM EST
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BBC NEWS | Business | Soros warns global boom is over
The billionaire investor George Soros has given his gloomiest assessment yet of the state of the US and world economies.

In an interview with BBC business editor Robert Peston, Mr Soros said that while the "acute phase" of the credit crunch might be over, the fall-out and the impact on the real economy has yet to be felt.

He warned that the "financial bubble" of the last 25 years could well be drawing to an end and the post World War II "super-boom" era could be over permanently.

He says the slowdown will be "more severe and certainly longer" than most people are predicting.

And he said that the UK was worse-placed than America to weather to coming economic storm, because it had such a large financial sector and has had the biggest increase in house prices.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:53:37 PM EST
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Fran:

He warned that the "financial bubble" of the last 25 years could well be drawing to an end and the post World War II "super-boom" era could be over permanently.

...

And he said that the UK was worse-placed than America to weather to coming economic storm, because it had such a large financial sector and has had the biggest increase in house prices.

Soros diagnoses the Anglo Disease.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:03:41 AM EST
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We also have stupider governemtns.

At least the Americans are greedy enough to recognise a bad investment plan, the British are stupid cos they only stop when the americans tell them to and they havne't yet.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:26:45 AM EST
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BBC NEWS | Americas | US 'violated Venezuela airspace'

Venezuela has demanded an explanation from Washington after a US military aircraft violated its airspace.

The US ambassador in Venezuela's capital, Caracas, has been summoned to explain Saturday's event.

US officials admitted a naval plane on a counter-narcotics mission had "navigational problems" that led it to briefly enter Venezuelan airspace.

Tension has been rising in the region with both the US and Colombia accusing Caracas of financing Colombian rebels.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:54:33 PM EST
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Ah, good old navigational problems. The old ones are the best.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:27:36 AM EST
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EU-Latin America summit achieves little - EUobserver.com
Very little of any substance was achieved at the EU Latin America and Caribbean (LAC) summit over the weekend, with the almost 50 heads of state failing to agree to any movement in trade discussions, one of Europe's main objectives in attending the summit.

The leaders said in a joint statement they hoped to "actively pursue" two free trade agreements. One between between Europe and Central America and the other between the EU and the Andean Community (Bolivia, Colombia, Ecuador and Peru).

Summit host centre-left Peruvian President Alan Garcia said the leaders of the Andean Community had agreed on more "flexible" free trade agreement negotiations.

"We're basically in agreement to move toward an accord at the next round of talks in Brussels on June 12,'' Mr Garcia said at the end of the summit.

However, fellow Andean leaders Evo Morales of Bolivia and Rafael Correa of Ecuador said it was still too early to move toward any free trade agreement.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:58:38 PM EST
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Is Who Becomes the Next President All That Matters? - CommonDreams.org

BERLIN, MAY 13, 2008: I know. I know. How this is the most important election in history, and why the next occupant of the White House will not only be answering the red phone at 3 AM but possibly be saving these not always United States from the decline that even TIME Magazine has announced the country is facing.

Yet, as I travel outside the country, I can't help but feel, or is it fear, that this logic leaves out some rather important considerations.

Like the fact that the US cannot unilaterally impose its will on the world anymore as our dollar falls and our credibility falls with it. Even a strategy of negotiation as opposed to confrontation is not a recipe for success because in a multi-polar world, other countries and power blocs like the Russians, the Chinese, the EU, The Persian Gulf and OPEC have their own interests. They will listen to our proposals but may reject them if they are at variance with their own needs.

We just don't have the power to impose our will even as we still suffer from "the USA is number one" syndrome and think that we can kick ass and take names if anyone stands in our way.

Whoever becomes President may not have the power he or she assumes goes with the office. (In fact, after the fact, in their memoirs, most presidents complain they often felt powerless, besieged by lobbyists, party factions and reticent bureaucrats at every turn. They see themselves constrained by institutional obstacles at every turn.)

In many ways, Mao was right, the occupant of the oval office is a paper tiger.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 12:01:41 AM EST
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US soldier sent home from Iraq after using Qur'an for target practice | World news | guardian.co.uk

The commander of US troops in Iraq has been forced to apologise to local leaders after an American soldier used a copy of the Qur'an for target practice.

A bullet-holed and graffiti-scrawled edition of the Islamic holy book was discovered by Iraqi police last week.

The soldier responsible has been sent home. Before he went the unnamed staff sergeant apologised to the military calling his actions "shortsighted, very reckless and irresponsible -- but not malicious".

Major General Jeffrey Hammond, commander of US forces in Iraq, met with local tribal leaders and pleaded with them to "forgive me and my soldiers" promising that this type of incident would never happen again.

The swift and frank US apology appears to have been aimed at avoiding violent protests in Iraq.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 12:02:37 AM EST
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So now every soldier in Iraq know a foolproof way out.
That, and being gay.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:31:11 AM EST
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It won't work. To get out you have to shoot a copy of the Koran, and get the press to cover it. After the second or third episode, they'll lost interest.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 08:43:11 AM EST
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The Associated Press: Colorado men exchange Taser shots over parked van

It wasn't exactly pistols at 30 paces, but police say a security company supervisor and a restaurateur shot each other with Tasers in a "bonehead" confrontation over parking.

Officers said neither man needed medical attention after the Saturday confrontation, but Harvey Epstein, co-owner of Mamacitas restaurant, was arrested on suspicion of felony menacing and using a stun gun.

A police report said Epstein and Casey M. Dane, a supervisor for Colorado Security Services Inc., were arguing over a metal boot that one of Dane's guards had clamped on a wheel of a van parked behind Mamacitas.



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:02:19 AM EST
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Hot damn, i love amurka.  Perhaps we should have a special section devoted to "System is Broken Alerts."

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 07:44:39 AM EST
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Not just the tasering as conflict resolution, but the ability of a private security company to boot a citizen's car.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 07:48:06 AM EST
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Fed Up With Peace - New York Times

A Tibetan monk, recently out of jail and still in pain from beatings by the police, said he reveres the Dalai Lama but also regards him as a political failure.

"We think the Dalai Lama has been too peaceful," he said. "There is a big discussion now about whether we should turn to violence." <...>

This impatience seems widespread among young Tibetans, and the rioting and protests across ethnic Tibetan areas of China in the last couple of months may be a turning point. Unless the Tibet question is resolved, we may see a Tibetan equivalent of the Irish Republican Army or Hamas.

A harsh crackdown is under way in greater Tibet, as I found when I slipped into these Tibetan areas in the back of a car with local license plates. China's heavy hand is adding to the antagonisms: the authorities are beating monks, confiscating pictures of the Dalai Lama, and forcing monks to attend "patriotic study" classes -- up to two hours a day, six days a week -- full of propaganda praising the Communist Party and denouncing the Dalai Lama.

"That just turns us against China more than ever," one monk said.



A language is a dialect with an army and navy.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:30:01 AM EST
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AFP via Discovery Channel: Tasmanian Devil Endangered as Cancer Hits
Australia's Tasmanian devil will be listed as an endangered species this week as a result of a deadly and disfiguring cancer outbreak, the state government said Monday.

The disease, a fast-growing head tumor which spreads over the marsupial's face and mouth and prevents it from eating, often killing it within months, has cut the island's devil population in the wild by as much as 60 percent.

...

The facial tumor is extremely unusual in that it is a contagious cancer, spread from devil to devil by biting.

There article is accompanied by a picture of a Tasmanian devil and the callous caption Going, Going...

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 07:33:42 AM EST
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Barack Obama has been adopted into a clan from the Crow Nation.

N'YAWEH

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 09:42:54 AM EST
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Sounds like Evo Morales' inauguration.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 09:50:58 AM EST
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I'd bet the Europeans here would learn something about the depth of hatred in amurka by reading the comments in the article above.  Add to the mix by reading what Booman said about Sen. Byrd's endorsement of Obama.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 09:57:43 AM EST
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Link?

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 11:16:32 AM EST
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http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2008/5/19/131021/106

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 11:18:29 AM EST
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I'd like to be adopted too, if you can fix it. Is 'Locoweed Magpie' an acceptable name? If LEP also wants to join, he could be 'Passing Wind'.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 10:46:14 AM EST
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